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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,15:57   

http://www.blogger.com/comment....0542744

After Larry, go check out dimbulb JAD's blog. All several hundred comments are in that one thread, because he can't seem to figure out how to create more posts. He has figured out how to ban Davetard, though.

   
Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,16:01   

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Did Paley fail so badly in modeling a geocentric universe that he suicided his thread?


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no, it's still there, and he thinks he's about to make a "revelation" of some kind.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,16:15   

Quote (stevestory @ June 10 2006,20:57)
http://www.blogger.com/comment....0542744

After Larry, go check out dimbulb JAD's blog. All several hundred comments are in that one thread, because he can't seem to figure out how to create more posts. He has figured out how to ban Davetard, though.

Wow...

Aren't blogs supposed to have comments from people other than the person running the blog?

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,16:30   

this from JAD's blog from around the time of the Pianka affair, talking about his "student" Dave Scott Springerbot:

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I am sure Dembski and the rest of the "groupthink" would just love to know what you have to say about me. He hasn't got the guts or the common decency to even mention my name because he is scared fecesless of me and my sources. He should be. He is no better than Esley Welsberry and you are no better than Sir Toejam.


glad to see i left a lasting impression on him...

er, I think.  OTOH, maybe I should remove my address from the phone book.

*psst*, John....



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afdave



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,16:54   

Deadman...  
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I've looked over this thread from beginning to end, AirHead, and I've read your other crap. YOU CAME INTO THIS FORUM INSULTING. Now you want to play martyr? The same passive-aggressive mind games that you tried to apply throughout your posts? I was not initially insulting to you, AirHead, but you saw fit to insult everyone who disagreed with your ridiculous claims...now you want to pretend that it could not have been avoided. You're a real piece of work. You're supposed to be a grown man, AirHead.

The attempt to imply that I disagree with Jon on the temperature/data claims of Humphrey is another one. What possible good do these childish manipulation games do you, AirHead?
You're kidding!  How did I come into this forum insulting?  I thought I came here asking someone to prove Evolution to me in 5 statements.  Seriously ... tell me how I'm insulting you (other than my interpretation of data is different) and I'll stop doing it.  I'll even answer your questions.

Now I'll admit I'm a little tough on people who come at me with all kinds of name calling and stuff, and I do try to make my points forcefully and creatively, and of course I take opportunities for some fun (like with Norm on my 'flakier and flakier' comment about his spaceflight link).

But surely you guys are able to take a little ribbing and sarcasm without getting all sour, no?

I honestly am having a good time (and yes, Steve, I am sincere about the things I am saying), and I assumed others here are as well.  I'm learning a lot and I think you all are very bright folks, in spite of my smart remarks.  I don't want to TRULY insult anyone (just kind of 'mess with you' insult you), but I do want it to be quite clear to you that I consider Evolution to be the 'Fairy Tale of Modern Times' and as such is harmful to you personally and to our society.  I truly believe that you are literally missing out on life by not getting to know your Creator.

So, if you're interested in civility, I'm happy to oblige ... but I would like to know what it is that specifically insults you.  You gotta remember, I have an Air Force fighter pilot barroom background and brother, let me tell you, those buggers can dish it out!  But nobody gets mad ... it's just all in good fun.  So you'll have to pardon me if I assume wrongly that you guys are the same way.

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,17:03   

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So you'll have to pardon me if I assume wrongly that you guys are the same way.


wrong assumptions are de rigeur for you.  It wouldn't help to go all the way back to the beginning and show you why you came off as an arrogant idiot right out of the gate, and I doubt anybody here has the stomach to even bother.

Face it, the only reason you get attention here at all is because you're so consistently delusional, nobody can really grasp it.

I myself have never seen a poster exactly like yourself before; you're #### near as whacky as John Davison.

And brother, that's saying a LOT.

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afdave



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,17:10   

What was John Davison's story in 25 words or less?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,17:10   

AFDave the Cowardly Lyin' brags
 
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I have an Air Force fighter pilot barroom background


But Dave, you never made it to being a fighter pilot.

You weren't good enough to be a fighter pilot.

You were only deemed competent enough to fly in an unarmed trainer.

Trying to pass yourself off as a fighter pilot just to stroke your own ego is an insult to the real men who were good enough to earn a seat in a fighter aircraft.

As we have all seen, you live in your own little fantasy world anyway - what's one more lie among the thousands, eh?

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qetzal



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,17:17   

afdave, I just have one question for you.

A while back, you said you believe God exists and that the Bible is literally correct because you were convinced by the evidence. Right?

So my question: what evidence would convince you the Bible is not literally correct, or that God does not exist?

  
Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,17:21   

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What was John Davison's story in 25 words or less?


Was a published biology professor at the University of Vermont.

Had a psychological break in the mid 80's.

Was relieved of teaching duties and given "emeritus" status.

released his "prescribed evolution" hypothesis shortly thereafter.

Was quickly voted crankiest evolutionary thinker on the net.

Has been a raving lunatic ever since.

consider it a cautionary tale for what happens when you try to impose your religious belief structures on to real science. (nudge, nudge, wink, wink)

BTW, here is an example of how you are so insulting, apparently without having a clue, which i guess is no surprise, really:

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Trying to pass yourself off as a fighter pilot just to stroke your own ego is an insult to the real men who were good enough to earn a seat in a fighter aircraft.


see?

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afdave



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,17:26   

Sorry to quote Dembski again, but this really sums it up for me well ...  
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Writing Computer Programs by Random Mutation and Natural Selection
The first computer program every student writes is called a “Hello World” program. It is a simple program that prints “Hello World!” on the screen when executed. In the course of writing this bit of code one learns about using the text editor, and compiling, linking and executing a program in a given programming environment.

Here’s a Hello World program in the C programming language:


#include <stdio.h>

int main(void)
{
printf(”Hello World!\n”);
return(0);
}

This program includes 66 non-white-space text characters. The C language uses almost every character on the keyboard, but to be generous in my calculations I’ll only assume that we need the 26 lower-case alpha characters. How many 66-character combinations are there? The answer is 26 raised to the 66th power, or 26^66. That’s roughly 2.4 x 10^93 (10^93 is 1 followed by 93 zeros).

To get a feel for this number, it is estimated that there are about 10^80 subatomic particles in the known universe, so there are as many 66-character combinations in our example as there are subatomic particles in 10 trillion universes. There are about 4 x 10^17 seconds in the history of the universe, assuming that the universe is 13 billion years old.

What is the probability of arriving at our Hello World program by random mutation and natural selection? How many simpler precursors are functional, what gaps must be crossed to arrive at those islands of function, and how many simultaneous random changes must be made to cross those gaps? How many random variants of these 66 characters will compile? How many will link and execute at all, or execute without fatal errors? Assuming that our program has already been written, what is the chance of evolving it into another, more complex program that will compile, link, execute and produce meaningful output?

I can’t answer these questions, but this example should give you a feel for the unfathomable probabilistic hurdles that must be overcome to produce the simplest of all computer programs by Darwinian mechanisms.

Now one might ask, What is the chance of producing, by random mutation and natural selection, the digital computer program that is the DNA molecule, not to mention the protein synthesis machinery and information-processing mechanism, all of which is mutually interdependent for function and survival?

The only thing that baffles me is the fact that Darwinists are baffled by the fact that most people don’t buy their blind-watchmaker storytelling.

Filed under: Intelligent Design — GilDodgen @ 7:34 pm


Truly baffling to me, guys.  I guess one reason I keep coming back here is that I just can't believe that there are real live human beings that believe the 'blind-watchmaker' story-telling.  You are probably right that I am delusional ... but my delusion is that I imagine that no one could possibly reject Intelligent Design if they really understood it.

So I keep trying to explain it.

(OA ... I'm not a fighter pilot -- wanted to be -- but oh, well ... didn't we go over that already? ... I just spent 4 years WITH (do you see that word?  WITH) fighter pilots going to the bar.  What is it with you and Rilke's obsession with my career?  Is it supposed to somehow affect what I am doing here?  Just curious.)

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,17:30   

give us a break, just like everything else, you haven't a clue what Dembski is saying here, or whether it's correct or accurate (neither does Gil, btw).

did you want to throw Dembski's misadventures into information theory on top of the pile you've made already?

don't you have enough on your plate already?

btw:

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but my delusion is that I imagine that no one could possibly reject Intelligent Design if they really understood it.


the word you are reaching for to describe this is "projection".

You're so full of it (and denial), it would be good for you to at least attempt to use the correct wording.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,17:33   

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(and yes, Steve, I am sincere about the things I am saying)

thought so. the people who think you know better, and are lying, are giving you too much credit.

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,17:36   

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What is the probability of arriving at our Hello World program by random mutation and natural selection? How many simpler precursors are functional, what gaps must be crossed to arrive at those islands of function, and how many simultaneous random changes must be made to cross those gaps? How many random variants of these 66 characters will compile? How many will link and execute at all, or execute without fatal errors? Assuming that our program has already been written, what is the chance of evolving it into another, more complex program that will compile, link, execute and produce meaningful output?


Okay, how many?

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I can’t answer these questions,


exactly.

Let us know when you get a decent argument, Gil Dumbass.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,17:37   

Quote (Ichthyic @ June 10 2006,19:01)
 
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Did Paley fail so badly in modeling a geocentric universe that he suicided his thread?


?

no, it's still there, and he thinks he's about to make a "revelation" of some kind.

Take a look at today's post on Good Math/Bad Math.  It's about geocentrism.  If Paley ever finishes his model someone ought to send it to Mark.

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afdave



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,17:37   

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don't you have enough on your plate already?
No.  I cleared my plate this morning.  I'm waiting on JonF and Deadman to respond to my quote from Farley that confirms vacuum testing is standard practice for testing Helium diffusion in zircons.  This was Henke's primary criticism in his second essay, and it appears to me to be dead.

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,17:41   

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No.  I cleared my plate this morning.


nope.  not even close.  more delusions on your part.

check again.

oh, and BTW, your response is quite insulting to all the work that has been done to try to "enlighten" you.

perhaps if we keep pointing out how insulting you are, you might start getting a clue?

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,17:46   

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Take a look at today's post on Good Math/Bad Math.  It's about geocentrism.  If Paley ever finishes his model someone ought to send it to Mark.


Funny that you mention that, I coincidentally saw that mere seconds ago. I went over there to submit GilDodgen's idiotic 'hello world' math to Markcc. I changed my mind, because while it's idiotic enough for Mark to attack, it's really not creative or interesting in any way.

   
Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,17:55   

Dave, admit it:

all you saw was the bolded part:

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The only thing that baffles me is the fact that Darwinists are baffled by the fact that most people don’t buy their blind-watchmaker storytelling.


and you completely ignored the idiocy of the rest of what you quoted, didn't you.  In fact, i doubt you read a single word beyond the bolded part.

That's called "selective filtering", and is also a common symptom of the kind of mental illness you seem to be suffering from.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,17:56   

AFDave the cowardly Lyin'
   
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(OA ... I'm not a fighter pilot -- wanted to be -- but oh, well ... didn't we go over that already? ... I just spent 4 years WITH (do you see that word?  WITH) fighter pilots going to the bar.  What is it with you and Rilke's obsession with my career?  Is it supposed to somehow affect what I am doing here?  Just curious.)


YOU are the one who continually brings it up Numbnuts, about every third post it seems, not us.  Is it suppose to somehow affect the scientific evidence you have promised but failed to deliver here?  Does your ego think we'll be impressed like the rest of your sheepish congregation and go "Oooohh!  Dave flew JETS!!!, He must be really SMART and IMPORTANT!!"?

I don't know any mature person in any of my daily dealings who creates a web page that stresses what they did some 20 years ago.  All your blog needs is a soundtrack of Bruce Springsteen singing "Glory Days".

You want to get back in everyone's good graces?  Then stop being a lying chickenshit.

Stop misrepresenting what people say to you
Stop ignoring all the tons of verified scientific evidence that contradicts your bullshit AIG and ICR claims.  Acknowledge that it exists even if it you have no clue how to deal with it.
Actually read the information and web links people provide you to try and decrease your profound ignorance.
Explain why you dishonestly quote-mined the World Book Portuguese article
Explain why you think it is OK to call professional scientists incompetent, but your career is off limits.
Explain why you think an ignorant layman like you is a better judge of technical evidence than profession scientists in the relevant fields.

Did I mention – stop lying.  Folks around here can deal with ignorance.  As Will Rogers said: “we’re all ignorant, just on different subjects”.  What we cannot tolerate is lying.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,18:00   

Occam, it seems like you think he's capable of stopping the idiotic behavior. In his 334 posts, do you see any indication that he's capable of that?

   
Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,18:01   

prediction:

1.  AFD will respond by asking you to point out where he ever lied.

2.  anybody expecting anything different will lose a few more brain cells.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,18:10   

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Occam, it seems like you think he's capable of stopping the idiotic behavior. In his 334 posts, do you see any indication that he's capable of that?


Cue music tape from South Pacific

"Call me a cockeyed optimist...."  :D

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"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic."
"Jews and Christians are Muslims."

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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,18:18   

Quote (afdave @ June 10 2006,22:26)
Truly baffling to me, guys.  I guess one reason I keep coming back here is that I just can't believe that there are real live human beings that believe the 'blind-watchmaker' story-telling.  You are probably right that I am delusional ... but my delusion is that I imagine that no one could possibly reject Intelligent Design if they really understood it.

So I keep trying to explain it.

Dave, if you want to get anywhere at all you are going to  have to stop preaching and start trying to listen.

This math thing you bring up -- I already brought up the answer to it in a post where I wrote about Danny Hillis. Do you remember that post at all? It was about how Hillis was evolving computer programs, search algorithms, through  random mutation and natural selection.

The question for you to ask is, how can someone build a computer that evolves computer code when you've just quoted a Dembski site post that just declared that impossible?

Try to get your head around this:
http://www.kk.org/outofcontrol/ch15-d.html

I could explain it in more detail -- but you've got to  be able to sit still for it and start grasping a few concepts inch by inch in a journey that might be several miles for you.

The first thing we have to determine is where are you mathematically.

Are you familiar with the concept of "permutations"?

Are you familiar with a book called "One Two Three . . . Infinity : Facts and Speculations of Science" by George Gamow?

Can you estimate how many amino acids could fit into a one inch square area at normal Earth pressures?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,18:24   

Mathematically, expect him to have had probably something like college algebra, trig, geometry, and basic differential and integral calculus. DiffyQ 1 maybe.

Permutations, no, aside from the simple n over k permutations and combinations formulas from algebra.

   
Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,18:24   

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Cue music tape from South Pacific

OT, but I actually hiked to the top of the mountain featured in the film version.

It's on the island of Moorea.

great place if you ever get a chance to visit; interesting dichotomy between the islanders, about half and half original pagan vs. introduced christianity (French).

funny, they NEVER fight about it.  Quite refreshing to see.  You can spend a day with a family living just like they did 200 years ago, then walk (or swim) a couple hundred yards and visit a family that has embraced christianity and sings in the local choir at church.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,18:41   

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OT, but I actually hiked to the top of the mountain featured in the film version.

It's on the island of Moorea.


Cool! I'm jealous :(  But I assume you mean the 2001 made-for-TV version with Glenn Close and Harry Connick Jr.  The original 1958 classic film was shot on the northern coast of Kauai, near Princeville.  I was lucky enough to spend a week there once - indescribably beautiful place.

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"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,19:00   

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The original 1958 classic film was shot on the northern coast of Kauai, near Princeville.


hmm.  I was told while I was there (by reputable sources, mind you), that "Bali High" the mountain featured in the film was actually the mountain I mentioned on Moorea.

further research to check sources...

and i am correct:

from the Moorea information page on the gotahiti.com site:

 
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The south rim of the ancient volcano makes up the mountain range on Moorea.  At 3,959 ft., Tohiea is the highest pike. Others include Moua Puta (the mountain with a hole) at 2,722 ft., Rotui at 2,624 ft., and Moua Roa (Bali Hai from the film South Pacific) at 2,499 ft. Mt. Mouaroa is the mountain that is commonly referred to as the "shark’s tooth." It is frequently depicted on post cards and is the image on one side of the 100 CFP coin.


yes, part of the film was filmed in the hawaian islands, but not all of it, apparently.

EDIT:

more anomalies:  the IMDB does not list Moorea as a film location.

*shrug*

funny enough, I've been to quite a few places in the tropics both in the atlantic and pacific (comes with the territory), but I never have actually visited the hawaian islands.

I've never heard of anybody who visted that had a disagreeable experience.  in fact, several acquaintances have moved to kaui or hawaii over the years.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,19:13   

From Wikipedia  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Pacific_(musical)

1958 musical film
The musical was made into a successful film of 1958, starring Rossano Brazzi and Mitzi Gaynor in the leading roles, with Juanita Hall in the part of Bloody Mary that she had played in the original stage production. Metropolitan Opera star Giorgio Tozzi provided the voice for the role of Emile de Becque. Kauai, one of the Hawaiian Islands, served as the filming location for the movie. The film is notorious for the use of colored filters during many of the song sequences, which has been a source of criticism for the film. Director Joshua Logan wanted it to be a subtle change, but 20th Century Fox, the company that would distribute the 35mm version, made it an extreme change, and since tickets to the film were pre-sold (it was a roadshow attraction), they had no time to correct it. Criticism of the filtering did not prevent the film from topping the box office that year, and the 65mm Todd-AO cinematography (by Leon Shamroy) was nominated for an Academy Award, as was the music adaptation and the sound, winning the latter. All the songs have been retained, and a song entitled "My Girl Back Home," sung by Lt. Cable and Nellie, which was cut from the Broadway show, was added.

The soundtrack album has spent more weeks at Number 1 in the UK album chart than any other album, clocking up an astonishing 115 weeks at the top in the late 50s and early 60s. It spent 70 consecutive weeks at the top of the chart and was Number 1 for the whole of 1959.

Originally shown in a nearly 3-hour roadshow version and later cut to two-and-a-half hours for general release, the film is currently under restoration by rights holders MGM and Fox. Fox (which currently holds both the video rights and the film's copyright) is scheduled to release a "special edition" DVD in 2006. This would include the restored roadshow version with scenes not shown since its original Todd-AO theatrical release.

Television production

South Pacific DVDAn elaborate television production, Rodgers & Hammerstein's South Pacific, was directed by Richard Pearce in 2001. A production with Glenn Close, Harry Connick Jr., Rade Serbedzija, Robert Pastorelli, Lori Tan Chinn, Natalie Mendoza, and Jack Thompson, it was filmed primarily in Australia, with some scenes shot in Moorea, an island close to Tahiti). Sixteen songs are featured in the movie. This version omitted the well-known song "Happy Talk", although not for "politically correct" reasons as has been rumored, and cut the even more popular song "Bali Hai" in half. Several new scenes, such as Nellie and Emile's very first meeting at the officer's club, were added, and a new character was created to serve as Nellie's best friend and confidante. The sex scenes between Liat and Lt. Cable were also dealt with more frankly than in the original. The film was harshly criticized by some because the order of the songs was somewhat changed, and because Rade Serbedsija, who played Emile, does not have an operatic singing voice, as have all other "Emile"s before him. Unlike the movie version of "The Sound of Music", the structure of this "South Pacific" was said by some to be damaged because of the change in the order of the songs. In the stage original and in the 1958 film, for instance, the song "Twin Soliloquies" expresses musically what Emile and Nellie do not actually say to each other and leads to Emile's "Some Enchanted Evening", sung only a minute later. In the television version, however, the two songs are sung in two entirely different scenes. A soundtrack from the movie was also released.

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"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,19:23   

... and yet i was there in 1989, and was told that the shots for the mountain in the 1958 film came from the mountain in Moorea, so it couldn't have been the 2001 version.

also note the bolded section from the gotahiti site says film, not TV production.

any other ideas?

btw, relying on wiki isn't always the best thing for movie data.  I've found IMDB to be more complete usually, but even here there are discrepancies.

IMDB also lists two other locations that were used for the film:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052225/locations

to add to the fun, evidently Michener actually used what he saw of an island in the Vanuatu chain as the original inspiration for Bali Hai:

http://www.vanuatutourism.com/vanuatu/cms/en/kids/volcanoes/ambae.html

I have to admit though, seeing that IMDB only lists the three locations for the 1958 film, and none of them are moorea, I tend to now agree with you that it was more likely to be a range in Kauii, rather than in Moorea that was featured in the film.

as an best guess, the tahitian tourism board probably is the source of the claim of Moorea being the source of the mountain for the film, and nobody bothered to question whether it was really correct or not.

All the locals seemed pretty sure of it when I was there.  I know I didn't make it up :)

I'd have to see the movie again and see if i can verify by memory as to whether there actually is footage in the film from Moorea or not.

The island has very distinctive features, so it shouldn't be too difficult; I think Turner Classic Movies shows it every couple of months or so.

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