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Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,15:19    bump -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,15:28    Quote (k.e.. @ Sep. 13 2018,07:49) Quote (Texas Teach @ Sep. 13 2018,06:06) But for some reason, no matter how broad their kinds are, they never think humans belong in the ape kind.  I wonder why? That's easy Joe is actually 10,000 chimpanzees sitting in front of 10,000 typewriters for 10,000 years. Let's be fair. Most chimps are perfectly adequate chimps. Joe's terrible even for a creationist. Even Casey Luskin, Salvador Cordova, Bill Dembski, Michael Behe, etc., shit, probably many of the people at Uncommon Descent could easily handle a basic heat-is-proportional-to-temperature calculation without utterly, completely fucking it up. Most of them had at least one science class at some point in their lives.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,15:30    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,14:52) Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,13:55) "The Privileged Planet" makes the case that the UNIVERSE was intelligently designed for scientific discovery. Also that the Earth is not only a great platform to do so but that it also happens to harbor intelligent agencies that can actually do the scientific discovering. So the universe was designed, then it wasn't, then it was but not the Earth itself, just humans and all other life on Earth was designed. Wow, thanks for proving that you are nothing but a twisted and belligerent imp. Could be any more of a pathetic asshole, timmy tutu? -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,15:31    Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 13 2018,15:28) Quote (k.e.. @ Sep. 13 2018,07:49)   Quote (Texas Teach @ Sep. 13 2018,06:06) But for some reason, no matter how broad their kinds are, they never think humans belong in the ape kind.  I wonder why? That's easy Joe is actually 10,000 chimpanzees sitting in front of 10,000 typewriters for 10,000 years. Let's be fair. Most chimps are perfectly adequate chimps. Joe's terrible even for a creationist. Even Casey Luskin, Salvador Cordova, Bill Dembski, Michael Behe, etc., shit, probably many of the people at Uncommon Descent could easily handle a basic heat-is-proportional-to-temperature calculation without utterly, completely fucking it up. Most of them had at least one science class at some point in their lives.     To give Joe a fighting chance your example should have used toast instead of steak.   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,15:31    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,15:01) Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,13:36) I say the fact that it is a harmful parasite is due to Darwinian evolution acting on intelligently designed organisms. There goes dumbass Joke flip flopping again.  Now he says Darwinian evolution can produce two co-ordinated mutations needed for anti-malarial drug resistance.  Never mind that's the exact opposite of what the clown argued the day before.   Except I didn't make that claim. I said the edge was two and three were over it, as Dr Behe claimed -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,15:33    Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 13 2018,15:28) Quote (k.e.. @ Sep. 13 2018,07:49) Quote (Texas Teach @ Sep. 13 2018,06:06) But for some reason, no matter how broad their kinds are, they never think humans belong in the ape kind.  I wonder why? That's easy Joe is actually 10,000 chimpanzees sitting in front of 10,000 typewriters for 10,000 years. Let's be fair. Most chimps are perfectly adequate chimps. Joe's terrible even for a creationist. Even Casey Luskin, Salvador Cordova, Bill Dembski, Michael Behe, etc., shit, probably many of the people at Uncommon Descent could easily handle a basic heat-is-proportional-to-temperature calculation without utterly, completely fucking it up. Most of them had at least one science class at some point in their lives.  :p  :p Whatever. I am comforted  by the fact I could kick your ass in a debate on science- Intelligent Design vs evolution by means of blind and mindless processes, including the origin of life. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,15:34    Quote (JohnW @ Sep. 13 2018,15:17) Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,12:52) I would say you couldn't make yourself look like a bigger blustering fool if you tried... He might regard that as a challenge. No, I couldn't make you evoTARDs look like bigger blustering fools if I tried. But it's entertaining watching willfully ignorant evoTARDs stroke and comfort each other. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,15:37    Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,15:31)     Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,15:01)       Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,13:36) I say the fact that it is a harmful parasite is due to Darwinian evolution acting on intelligently designed organisms. There goes dumbass Joke flip flopping again.  Now he says Darwinian evolution can produce two co-ordinated mutations needed for anti-malarial drug resistance.  Never mind that's the exact opposite of what the clown argued the day before.   Except I didn't make that claim. I said the edge was two and three were over it, as Dr Behe claimed Damn, Joke caught lying once again.   Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 08 2018,17:38) Waiting for Two Mutations: With Applications to Regulatory Sequence Evolution and the Limits of Darwinian Evolution That paper says gene duplication followed by function altering mutations AND building a new binding site is well beyond the power of blind and mindless processes. How stupid does one IDiot have to be to not realize his earlier claims are still available?   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,16:02    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,15:37) Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,15:31)       Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,15:01)       Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,13:36) I say the fact that it is a harmful parasite is due to Darwinian evolution acting on intelligently designed organisms. There goes dumbass Joke flip flopping again.  Now he says Darwinian evolution can produce two co-ordinated mutations needed for anti-malarial drug resistance.  Never mind that's the exact opposite of what the clown argued the day before.   Except I didn't make that claim. I said the edge was two and three were over it, as Dr Behe claimed Damn, Joke caught lying once again.   Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 08 2018,17:38) Waiting for Two Mutations: With Applications to Regulatory Sequence Evolution and the Limits of Darwinian Evolution That paper says gene duplication followed by function altering mutations AND building a new binding site is well beyond the power of blind and mindless processes. How stupid does one IDiot have to be to not realize his earlier claims are still available?  :D Right, two mutations are OK. Three are over the edge and if they ever happened would be very, very rare. A gene duplication followed by functioning altering changes would require more than 3. Clearly you are just a retard who has to twist what I say and by doing so will never grasp anything. All you do is wait to twist what I post as opposed to reading, understanding and responding with something of substance -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,16:15    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,16:31) Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 13 2018,15:28)   Quote (k.e.. @ Sep. 13 2018,07:49)   Quote (Texas Teach @ Sep. 13 2018,06:06) But for some reason, no matter how broad their kinds are, they never think humans belong in the ape kind.  I wonder why? That's easy Joe is actually 10,000 chimpanzees sitting in front of 10,000 typewriters for 10,000 years. Let's be fair. Most chimps are perfectly adequate chimps. Joe's terrible even for a creationist. Even Casey Luskin, Salvador Cordova, Bill Dembski, Michael Behe, etc., shit, probably many of the people at Uncommon Descent could easily handle a basic heat-is-proportional-to-temperature calculation without utterly, completely fucking it up. Most of them had at least one science class at some point in their lives.     To give Joe a fighting chance your example should have used toast instead of steak.   I'm actually a repairman of sorts. I make my living gowning and bunny-suiting in and out of Biosafety Level 2 and 3 environments and repairing the medical equipment inside. I wouldn't let joe try to fix my toaster. He'd electrocute himself and burn my house down.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,16:26    Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 13 2018,17:15) Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,16:31) Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 13 2018,15:28)   Quote (k.e.. @ Sep. 13 2018,07:49)     Quote (Texas Teach @ Sep. 13 2018,06:06) But for some reason, no matter how broad their kinds are, they never think humans belong in the ape kind.  I wonder why? That's easy Joe is actually 10,000 chimpanzees sitting in front of 10,000 typewriters for 10,000 years. Let's be fair. Most chimps are perfectly adequate chimps. Joe's terrible even for a creationist. Even Casey Luskin, Salvador Cordova, Bill Dembski, Michael Behe, etc., shit, probably many of the people at Uncommon Descent could easily handle a basic heat-is-proportional-to-temperature calculation without utterly, completely fucking it up. Most of them had at least one science class at some point in their lives.     To give Joe a fighting chance your example should have used toast instead of steak.   I'm actually a repairman of sorts. I make my living gowning and bunny-suiting in and out of Biosafety Level 2 and 3 environments and repairing the medical equipment inside. I wouldn't let joe try to fix my toaster. He'd electrocute himself and burn my house down. The guy fails intro to high school science. I wouldn't let him around metal and electricity.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,16:46    Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 13 2018,16:26) Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 13 2018,17:15) Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,16:31)   Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 13 2018,15:28)     Quote (k.e.. @ Sep. 13 2018,07:49)     Quote (Texas Teach @ Sep. 13 2018,06:06) But for some reason, no matter how broad their kinds are, they never think humans belong in the ape kind.  I wonder why? That's easy Joe is actually 10,000 chimpanzees sitting in front of 10,000 typewriters for 10,000 years. Let's be fair. Most chimps are perfectly adequate chimps. Joe's terrible even for a creationist. Even Casey Luskin, Salvador Cordova, Bill Dembski, Michael Behe, etc., shit, probably many of the people at Uncommon Descent could easily handle a basic heat-is-proportional-to-temperature calculation without utterly, completely fucking it up. Most of them had at least one science class at some point in their lives.  :p  :p To give Joe a fighting chance your example should have used toast instead of steak.   :) I'm actually a repairman of sorts. I make my living gowning and bunny-suiting in and out of Biosafety Level 2 and 3 environments and repairing the medical equipment inside. I wouldn't let joe try to fix my toaster. He'd electrocute himself and burn my house down. The guy fails intro to high school science. I wouldn't let him around metal and electricity.  :D  :D  :D At least I am not dumb enough to say that a steak getting back 4% of what it emits is enough to warm it another 20 degrees. No one but you, steviewonderstory -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,17:06    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,14:37) How stupid does one IDiot have to be to not realize his earlier claims are still available?   It's as if he actively wants people to think of him as stupid.

Texas Teach Posts: 2084 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,17:24    Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,08:47) Quote (Texas Teach @ Sep. 12 2018,22:06) But for some reason, no matter how broad their kinds are, they never think humans belong in the ape kind.  I wonder why? Evidence, moron. As in there isn't any evidence that a quadruped/ knuckle-walker can evolve into an upright biped. Kinesiology argues against such a transformation due to the simple fact that the muscle attachment points have changed. But then again you are clearly too dim to understand any of that This will be devastating news to my Anthropologist spouse. She’ll have to break it to her physical anthropology class that Joe says there is no evidence, and they’ve all wasted their tuition this semester. And she’ll have to tell the textbook author that the book is empty. And the company that sold all of the skeletal models that were supposed to show the changes present in the fossil record will have to be informed that the boxes arrived empty. -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr "I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,17:29    Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 13 2018,17:06) Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,14:37) How stupid does one IDiot have to be to not realize his earlier claims are still available?  :D It's as if he actively wants people to think of him as stupid. But those earlier claims do not support timmy tutu's asinine interpretation of them -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,17:32    Quote (Texas Teach @ Sep. 13 2018,17:24) Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,08:47) Quote (Texas Teach @ Sep. 12 2018,22:06) But for some reason, no matter how broad their kinds are, they never think humans belong in the ape kind.  I wonder why? Evidence, moron. As in there isn't any evidence that a quadruped/ knuckle-walker can evolve into an upright biped. Kinesiology argues against such a transformation due to the simple fact that the muscle attachment points have changed. But then again you are clearly too dim to understand any of that This will be devastating news to my Anthropologist spouse. She’ll have to break it to her physical anthropology class that Joe says there is no evidence, and they’ve all wasted their tuition this semester. And she’ll have to tell the textbook author that the book is empty. And the company that sold all of the skeletal models that were supposed to show the changes present in the fossil record will have to be informed that the boxes arrived empty. Great, when she has any evidence that genetic changes can account for those physiological and anatomical differences she will definitely win a Nobel Prize. Or do you guys support Lamarckian evolution in which those knuckle-walkers forced themselves into be upright bipeds? -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,17:45    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,13:31) Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 13 2018,15:28)   Quote (k.e.. @ Sep. 13 2018,07:49)   Quote (Texas Teach @ Sep. 13 2018,06:06) But for some reason, no matter how broad their kinds are, they never think humans belong in the ape kind.  I wonder why? That's easy Joe is actually 10,000 chimpanzees sitting in front of 10,000 typewriters for 10,000 years. Let's be fair. Most chimps are perfectly adequate chimps. Joe's terrible even for a creationist. Even Casey Luskin, Salvador Cordova, Bill Dembski, Michael Behe, etc., shit, probably many of the people at Uncommon Descent could easily handle a basic heat-is-proportional-to-temperature calculation without utterly, completely fucking it up. Most of them had at least one science class at some point in their lives.  :p  :p To give Joe a fighting chance your example should have used toast instead of steak.   :) Or caek. :) -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Texas Teach Posts: 2084 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,18:11    Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,17:32) Quote (Texas Teach @ Sep. 13 2018,17:24) Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,08:47)   Quote (Texas Teach @ Sep. 12 2018,22:06) But for some reason, no matter how broad their kinds are, they never think humans belong in the ape kind.  I wonder why? Evidence, moron. As in there isn't any evidence that a quadruped/ knuckle-walker can evolve into an upright biped. Kinesiology argues against such a transformation due to the simple fact that the muscle attachment points have changed. But then again you are clearly too dim to understand any of that This will be devastating news to my Anthropologist spouse. She’ll have to break it to her physical anthropology class that Joe says there is no evidence, and they’ve all wasted their tuition this semester. And she’ll have to tell the textbook author that the book is empty. And the company that sold all of the skeletal models that were supposed to show the changes present in the fossil record will have to be informed that the boxes arrived empty. Great, when she has any evidence that genetic changes can account for those physiological and anatomical differences she will definitely win a Nobel Prize. Or do you guys support Lamarckian evolution in which those knuckle-walkers forced themselves into be upright bipeds? Those goal posts are moving so fast they have a Doppler shift. -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr "I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,18:48    Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 13 2018,17:06)   Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,14:37) How stupid does one IDiot have to be to not realize his earlier claims are still available?   It's as if he actively wants people to think of him as stupid. In that case, mission accomplished!   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,19:02    Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,17:32)     Quote (Texas Teach @ Sep. 13 2018,17:24)       Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,08:47)       Quote (Texas Teach @ Sep. 12 2018,22:06) But for some reason, no matter how broad their kinds are, they never think humans belong in the ape kind.  I wonder why? Evidence, moron. As in there isn't any evidence that a quadruped/ knuckle-walker can evolve into an upright biped. Kinesiology argues against such a transformation due to the simple fact that the muscle attachment points have changed. But then again you are clearly too dim to understand any of that This will be devastating news to my Anthropologist spouse. She’ll have to break it to her physical anthropology class that Joe says there is no evidence, and they’ve all wasted their tuition this semester. And she’ll have to tell the textbook author that the book is empty. And the company that sold all of the skeletal models that were supposed to show the changes present in the fossil record will have to be informed that the boxes arrived empty. Great, when she has any evidence that genetic changes can account for those physiological and anatomical differences she will definitely win a Nobel Prize. Or do you guys support Lamarckian evolution in which those knuckle-walkers forced themselves into be upright bipeds? The evolution from terrestrial mammals to fully aquatic cetaceans took many more genetic / physiological / anatomical changes than did from human/chimp LCA to human.  We have those changes identified.     Quote Molecular evolution tracks macroevolutionary transitions in Cetacea McGowen et al Trends in Ecology and Evolution Volume 29, Issue 6, June 2014, Pages 336-346 Abstract:  Cetacea (whales, dolphins, and porpoises) is a model group for investigating the molecular signature of macroevolutionary transitions. Recent research has begun to reveal the molecular underpinnings of the remarkable anatomical and behavioral transformation in this clade. This shift from terrestrial to aquatic environments is arguably the best-understood major morphological transition in vertebrate evolution. The ancestral body plan and physiology were extensively modified and, in many cases, these crucial changes are recorded in cetacean genomes. Recent studies have highlighted cetaceans as central to understanding adaptive molecular convergence and pseudogene formation. Here, we review current research in cetacean molecular evolution and the potential of Cetacea as a model for the study of other macroevolutionary transitions from a genomic perspective. Highlights: • Cetacea (whales, dolphins, and porpoises) is a model group for investigating the molecular signature of macroevolutionary transitions. • Recent research has documented the remarkable convergence between echolocating bats and odontocetes across six genes related to auditory physiology. • Cetaceans are a premier model of wholesale sensory evolution, in which anatomical changes related to sensory perception dovetail nicely with molecular evolutionary patterns, including the pseudogenization of some visual opsins, olfactory receptors, vomeronasal receptors, and taste receptors. • Modifications in myoglobin also show that the net surface charge of myoglobin in cetaceans correlates with depth of dive, and these changes have also occurred in other aquatic lineages, such as pinnipeds Joke maybe you can explain how this data supports Biblical created "kinds".   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,19:11    Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,16:02)   Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,15:37)   Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,15:31)         Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,15:01)           Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,13:36) I say the fact that it is a harmful parasite is due to Darwinian evolution acting on intelligently designed organisms. There goes dumbass Joke flip flopping again.  Now he says Darwinian evolution can produce two co-ordinated mutations needed for anti-malarial drug resistance.  Never mind that's the exact opposite of what the clown argued the day before.   Except I didn't make that claim. I said the edge was two and three were over it, as Dr Behe claimed Damn, Joke caught lying once again.       Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 08 2018,17:38) Waiting for Two Mutations: With Applications to Regulatory Sequence Evolution and the Limits of Darwinian Evolution That paper says gene duplication followed by function altering mutations AND building a new binding site is well beyond the power of blind and mindless processes. How stupid does one IDiot have to be to not realize his earlier claims are still available?   Right, two mutations are OK. Three are over the edge and if they ever happened would be very, very rare. A gene duplication followed by functioning altering changes would require more than 3. Yet you offered this paper describing TWO mutations at least half a dozen times as being "fatal" for evolutionary theory. Quote In particular, we examine the waiting time for a pair of mutations, the first of which inactivates an existing transcription factor binding site and the second of which creates a new one. A PAIR of mutations moron.  TWO mutations. FLIP!  FLOP!  FLIP!  FLOP!   Joke the human pancake.   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2018,14:48    Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 13 2018,18:06) Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,14:37) How stupid does one IDiot have to be to not realize his earlier claims are still available?   It's as if he actively wants people to think of him as stupid. which is why he's either a Poe or has serious psychological damage. Either way I don't care to drive 1400 miles north to find out which.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2018,14:50    His name isn't really Joe G so there's another alternative: Some guy named Joe G beat him up / stole his wife / whatever and his peculiar form of vengeance is to go online and pretend to be him and act extremely stupid and trashy.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2018,14:57    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,20:02) Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,17:32)       Quote (Texas Teach @ Sep. 13 2018,17:24)       Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,08:47)         Quote (Texas Teach @ Sep. 12 2018,22:06) But for some reason, no matter how broad their kinds are, they never think humans belong in the ape kind.  I wonder why? Evidence, moron. As in there isn't any evidence that a quadruped/ knuckle-walker can evolve into an upright biped. Kinesiology argues against such a transformation due to the simple fact that the muscle attachment points have changed. But then again you are clearly too dim to understand any of that This will be devastating news to my Anthropologist spouse. She’ll have to break it to her physical anthropology class that Joe says there is no evidence, and they’ve all wasted their tuition this semester. And she’ll have to tell the textbook author that the book is empty. And the company that sold all of the skeletal models that were supposed to show the changes present in the fossil record will have to be informed that the boxes arrived empty. Great, when she has any evidence that genetic changes can account for those physiological and anatomical differences she will definitely win a Nobel Prize. Or do you guys support Lamarckian evolution in which those knuckle-walkers forced themselves into be upright bipeds? The evolution from terrestrial mammals to fully aquatic cetaceans took many more genetic / physiological / anatomical changes than did from human/chimp LCA to human.  We have those changes identified.       Quote Molecular evolution tracks macroevolutionary transitions in Cetacea McGowen et al Trends in Ecology and Evolution Volume 29, Issue 6, June 2014, Pages 336-346 Abstract:  Cetacea (whales, dolphins, and porpoises) is a model group for investigating the molecular signature of macroevolutionary transitions. Recent research has begun to reveal the molecular underpinnings of the remarkable anatomical and behavioral transformation in this clade. This shift from terrestrial to aquatic environments is arguably the best-understood major morphological transition in vertebrate evolution. The ancestral body plan and physiology were extensively modified and, in many cases, these crucial changes are recorded in cetacean genomes. Recent studies have highlighted cetaceans as central to understanding adaptive molecular convergence and pseudogene formation. Here, we review current research in cetacean molecular evolution and the potential of Cetacea as a model for the study of other macroevolutionary transitions from a genomic perspective. Highlights: • Cetacea (whales, dolphins, and porpoises) is a model group for investigating the molecular signature of macroevolutionary transitions. • Recent research has documented the remarkable convergence between echolocating bats and odontocetes across six genes related to auditory physiology. • Cetaceans are a premier model of wholesale sensory evolution, in which anatomical changes related to sensory perception dovetail nicely with molecular evolutionary patterns, including the pseudogenization of some visual opsins, olfactory receptors, vomeronasal receptors, and taste receptors. • Modifications in myoglobin also show that the net surface charge of myoglobin in cetaceans correlates with depth of dive, and these changes have also occurred in other aquatic lineages, such as pinnipeds Joke maybe you can explain how this data supports Biblical created "kinds".   Things always just so happened to be Designed in all the ways that would make you think they evolved.       Unlike human designers, they somehow never once threw the old model out and did a ground-up code rewrite.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2018,14:59    Dumbass creationists telegraph their BS so much I'm surprised ID wasn't named Global Organism Design Theory.

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2018,10:03    Did we finally break Joke?    Or is he just resting between TARDgasms? -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2018,10:07    Must have been a bunch of toaster breakdowns since Thursday?

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2018,11:26    Bump

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2018,12:39    Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 17 2018,08:07) Must have been a bunch of toaster breakdowns since Thursday? Either new meds or new probation officer. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2018,17:49    Quote (JohnW @ Sep. 17 2018,13:39) Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 17 2018,08:07) Must have been a bunch of toaster breakdowns since Thursday? Either new meds or new probation officer. Did the public liberry kick him out after too many smell complaints?

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