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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 02 2018,23:00   

Quote (Jkrebs @ Dec. 02 2018,12:07)
That is, banned. Thanks for the explanation, Alan.

All in all, better for me to not be able to post, anyway.

Jack, unless you're already one of the regulars (and I never noticed) you might like to check out what's happening at the Reddit DebateEvolution forum. This is not one of the most visited forums but it's making noticeable progress documenting why the controversy is the result of nothing new, just the side effects of overindulgence in something that feels good but requires denial of facts leading to a misinformation led subculture who sees everyone else as an enemy that's out to get them.

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For everyone wondering what has been keeping me too busy to post much: I have been in a race with time to set up a system for using freeze/thaw cycles to chisel apart thousands of sometimes paper thin sedimentary layers, by force freezing and thawing of the upper two to three feet of strata using forced air, vacuum, and 400 gallon (before covering with plastic it was more like a mosquito breeding pit) basin at the highest elevation for chilling and gravity feed injection of water that is close to freezing, into where it's normally too warm or dry to quickly weather out like the outer surfaces.

Last summer it was determined there is scientifically new information on at least one of several hundred layers that are too well bonded together to separate with chisels or go through by hand like at the outer bedrock surfaces. Thus there are now two 3/8 x 39 inch deep bore holes in the (with fissures between them considered) two 20 foot by 20 foot boulder like areas that together comprise the upper area of the dinosaur tracksite. It will be mostly a passive system that later requires little of my time to keep going.

If it were for not making progress on what sounds like a crazy backyard fracking experiment then I would have given up by now. To our knowledge this is the first time something like this has ever been attempted.

With faucet water/pressure I already washed out plenty of clay that at first kinda oozed out the sides from between layers. Complete decomposition produces nutrient rich and (like having plenty of lime already applied) calcite neutralized soil that dinosaurs helped fertilize too, which 200 millions later made this region famous for having some of the most productive and sustainable farming soil of them all. Unlike other geological conditions where salts and metals combine to form toxic brine I have to be careful not to turn the bedrock back into fertile soil that could be dug through with a shovel. The tracksite is then an excellent place for a garden, but all the trace fossils would be destroyed.

I'll soon enough be in my winter indoor mode and back to the ID Lab and other things. I did though manage to keep up with what was happening at the Reddit forum. In at least in my opinion I was able to help make it a useful resource to be proud of, instead of ashamed of. Like a heavy load having been taken off my shoulders this change has made everything else I need to get caught up on easier to focus on.

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The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

   
ChemiCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2018,05:43   

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Jack, unless you're already one of the regulars (and I never noticed) you might like to check out what's happening at the Reddit DebateEvolution forum. This is not one of the most visited forums but it's making noticeable progress documenting why the controversy is the result of nothing new, just the side effects of overindulgence in something that feels good but requires denial of facts leading to a misinformation led subculture who sees everyone else as an enemy that's out to get them.


Still more peer review by Reddit, it's science all the way, folks!



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I'll soon enough be in my winter indoor mode and back to the ID Lab and other things. I did though manage to keep up with what was happening at the Reddit forum. In at least in my opinion I was able to help make it a useful resource to be proud of, instead of ashamed of. Like a heavy load having been taken off my shoulders this change has made everything else I need to get caught up on easier to focus on.


And still more fractured English to... Ah, what's the point? Gaulin is incapable of learning anything about science or language.

  
Woodbine



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2018,06:42   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 03 2018,05:00)
For everyone wondering what has been keeping me too busy to post much: I have been in a race with time to set up a system for using freeze/thaw cycles to chisel apart thousands of sometimes paper thin sedimentary layers, by force freezing and thawing of the upper two to three feet of strata using forced air, vacuum, and 400 gallon (before covering with plastic it was more like a mosquito breeding pit) basin at the highest elevation for chilling and gravity feed injection of water that is close to freezing, into where it's normally too warm or dry to quickly weather out like the outer surfaces.

Fortnite can get pretty intense.

Edited by Woodbine on Dec. 04 2018,12:42

  
coldfirephoenix



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2018,19:46   

Yes, let's check out Reddit! Because the very subreddit you linked to has told you time and time again that you don't understand what science even is and that your "theory" is a bunch of nonsense whenever you piped up about it there. So, basically the same as here! Only that on reddit, it actually seemed to work after a few years, and you finally counted your losses and shut up about it - a feat that no one has even been able to replicate since.
So, by all means, have people take a look at reddit, and what they thought of your not-a-theory.


Exhibit" target="_blank">https://www.reddit.com/r....L=....> A

Some more

there are

literally

dozens

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those

And then some

I'm not gonna go through all examples of Gary arguing against evolution and for his cuckoo nonsense, that would take days.

  
N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 11 2018,06:15   

Quote (coldfirephoenix @ Dec. 09 2018,19:46)
Yes, let's check out Reddit! Because the very subreddit you linked to has told you time and time again that you don't understand what science even is and that your "theory" is a bunch of nonsense whenever you piped up about it there. So, basically the same as here! Only that on reddit, it actually seemed to work after a few years, and you finally counted your losses and shut up about it - a feat that no one has even been able to replicate since.
So, by all means, have people take a look at reddit, and what they thought of your not-a-theory.


<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateEvolution/comments/5pjlhh/the_wacky_history_of_cell_theory_lauren/Exhibit" target="_blank">https://www.reddit.com/r....L=.....> A

Some more

there are

literally

dozens

of

those

And then some

I'm not gonna go through all examples of Gary arguing against evolution and for his cuckoo nonsense, that would take days.

That last one is an absolute gem.

Gary launches into a flight of delusional self-importance:
 
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.....Not knowing who I am indicates that you are not aware of what is going on in East Coast paleontology, robotics, and other sciences that I have influenced. I'm now semi-famous in academia, and respected by a how-to community that loves building or programming intelligent stuff, as much as I do.


and gets some skeptical responses, which causes him to launch into yet another posting of his standard pile of hogwash, starting with a complete misunderstanding of what a theory of operation is and how that fails to have anything to do with his pile of hoey:
 
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The theory is for a computer modeled system that needed what scientists and engineers call a "Theory of operation"

http://intelligencegenerator.blogspot.com/....pot....pot.com

Before you are even ready to present a challenge to me you will need a biologically relevant scientific model that much better explains the basics of how any intelligent system and "intelligent cause" works. If you default to claiming that "intelligent cause" has to be from a religious deity that is beyond science to explain then you are as out of bounds of science as those you believe are the only ones who are out of bounds. .................................


Needless to say this meets with the usual skeptical reception, to which Gary responds:
 
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[Gary]
I hope you are not trying to suggest that you found evidence against the Theory of Intelligent Design that I'm developing.


 
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[Mnementh2230]
It's not a theory if it isn't falsifiable.
So how is this newest flavor of tripe falsifiable?


 
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[ApokalypseCow]
More than that, if it isn't potentially falsifiable, then it has no explanatory power.


 
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[DarwinZDF42]
Explain it like I'm five. My hypothesis is <blank>. From that, I predicted <blank>. I tested this prediction by doing <blank>. My results were <blank>. This shows <blank>.


 
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[GaryGaulin, with my numbers to show points for response]
 
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  My hypothesis is <blank>.


The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection. [1]

 
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   From that, I predicted <blank>.


Years ago I spent weeks preparing a long list for those who needed one, and do not have time to start all over again tonight. Especially now that the list has likely doubled in size due to so little being known about how the brains of animals work. [2]

The biggest one though pertaining to this discussion is the model/theory predicts where the "intelligent cause" of our "intelligent design" is coming from. [3]

 
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   I tested this prediction by doing <blank>.



A few decades worth of computer models and how well predictions later proved to be true. I expect that neuroscience will soon have information showing that the navigational network model does a good job of explaining the underlying mechanism that neuroscientists still don't understand. Part of the problem is 1970's academic snobbery aimed at David Heiserman that dissed his work because starting with a dumb bug seemed childish to those who were strutting around getting grants by talking about their soon having a whole electronic human brain much smarter than we are that by the year 2000 will be in every home doing all our chores for us. Now that it's almost 2017 most of them are dead now, so they at least don't have to live with the embarrassment from all their failed predictions.

 
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   My results were <blank>. This shows <blank>.


At this point you are asking for 50 pages of information that in my limited free time would take me at least 10 years to finish. It's not like pee-on's like me who had so much success in explaining how intelligence works at multiple levels of biology that they had to develop a Theory of ID are funded and have a staff of scientists to keep up with all the papers than could have been written from it. [4] To make progress I had to focus on staying current in the relevant fields and developing new models, for those who only need that.


 
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[DarwinZDF42]
That's it? You can't do it? Okay, I think we're done here. Thanks for playing.


DarwinZDF42's response is the important one, but I note the following in addition.
1: A claimed and asserted premise cannot be a valid prediction.  Even if it was in some way a prediction, it's too vague and ill-defined to be a useful and testable prediction.  It is also not falsifiable.  It is also trivially true without any reference to Gaulin's pile of not-a-theory.  The Mona Lisa is certainly a feature in the universe, and it falls in the category of being clearly designed, but that in no way says anything about the truth of Gary's proposals.

2.  I remember that list.  None of Gary's proposed tests were valid.

3. Those terms have still not been adequately defined, and are still not covered by any meaningful theory of operation.  How do I measure them?

4.  Funny non sequitur.  If none of those papers that 'could have been written from the [not-a]-theory' have actually been written, then you don't need a staff to keep up with reading them.

https://www.reddit.com/r....entific
inspired some interesting comments, as well.

  
JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 11 2018,10:03   

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Part of the problem is 1970's academic snobbery aimed at David Heiserman that dissed his work because starting with a dumb bug seemed childish to those who were strutting around getting grants by talking about their soon having a whole electronic human brain much smarter than we are that by the year 2000 will be in every home doing all our chores for us.

Sentence of the week.

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Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers

There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 11 2018,13:14   

But will Hal open the pod bay doors when asked?

  
Texas Teach



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 11 2018,16:33   

If only Gary had a whole human brain...

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 12 2018,18:36   

Quote (Texas Teach @ Dec. 11 2018,15:33)
If only Gary had a whole human brain...

With a hippocampus?

  
ChemiCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2018,04:11   

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With a hippocampus?


No, because only bugs have a hippocampus. Oh, wait ...

  
N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 14 2018,10:54   

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With a hippocampus?


No, because only bugs have a hippocampus. Oh, wait ...

We really need an up-vote button.

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 14 2018,12:01   

But isn't a hippocampus where hippopotami go to school?

  
N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 14 2018,13:17   

Quote (Henry J @ Dec. 14 2018,12:01)
But isn't a hippocampus where hippopotami go to school?

Berkeley - that's been a hippycampus since forever.

  
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