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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2018,09:16   

And if it's not subjective, then who gets to decide what the rules are?

  
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2018,09:34   

Quote (Henry J @ Nov. 12 2018,09:16)
And if it's not subjective, then who gets to decide what the rules are?

Barry, of course.

  
Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2018,09:39   

Quote (Henry J @ Nov. 12 2018,09:16)
And if it's not subjective, then who gets to decide what the rules are?

God, obviously.

Before you ask, no I don't know who's god. Sorry.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2018,09:42   

Quote (k.e.. @ Nov. 12 2018,08:30)
Quote (Bob O'H @ Nov. 12 2018,11:00)
Wow, Barry gets something right on the [Non-]Materialist Reaches New Low post:
 
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Barry Arrington November 10, 2018 at 4:58 pm

Sev,

 
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We would disagree but is there any way to decide objectively who is right?


Why, yes, there is. We know it in exactly the same way we know that 2+2=4.

I hope he does mean "because we were all taught this when we were very young".

Of course, he could mean that we can prove it with set theory, but I'm not sure I've seen a proof of objective morality. I have, though, seen a proof that shows how to persuade a rational Saudi that executing homosexuals is wrong (briefly, you appeal to his other beliefs).

What murdering journalists instead?

If by "murdering journalists" you mean "failing to stop a journalist starting a fight against several heavies and a man with a bone saw and a vat of acid" then yes.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2018,08:46   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Nov. 12 2018,09:42)
 
Quote (k.e.. @ Nov. 12 2018,08:30)
 
Quote (Bob O'H @ Nov. 12 2018,11:00)
Wow, Barry gets something right on the [Non-]Materialist Reaches New Low post:
     
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Barry Arrington November 10, 2018 at 4:58 pm

Sev,

     
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We would disagree but is there any way to decide objectively who is right?


Why, yes, there is. We know it in exactly the same way we know that 2+2=4.

I hope he does mean "because we were all taught this when we were very young".

Of course, he could mean that we can prove it with set theory, but I'm not sure I've seen a proof of objective morality. I have, though, seen a proof that shows how to persuade a rational Saudi that executing homosexuals is wrong (briefly, you appeal to his other beliefs).

What murdering journalists instead?

If by "murdering journalists" you mean "failing to stop a journalist starting a fight against several heavies and a man with a bone saw and a vat of acid" then yes.

Could happen to anyone, really.

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Alan Fox



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2018,17:46   

Jack Krebs:

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DaveS is about as polite and reasonable as people get here.

Barry is on the opposite end of the spectrum.

This is one of the reasons why I’m done with this place.

Have fun, Barry!


You did your best, Jack. Arrington is indisputably someone it's impossible to have a dialogue with.

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Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2018,18:03   

Quote (Alan Fox @ Nov. 13 2018,17:46)
Jack Krebs:

 
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DaveS is about as polite and reasonable as people get here.

Barry is on the opposite end of the spectrum.

This is one of the reasons why I’m done with this place.

Have fun, Barry!


You did your best, Jack. Arrington is indisputably someone it's impossible to have a dialogue with.

link

The sad thing is that Barry honestly thinks that he is being reasonable, logical and civil. And he claims that DaveS is delusional.

  
Jkrebs



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2018,18:10   

Even theists (Andrew) and IDist's (polistra, I think) are bailing on Barry.

Couldn't happen to a nicer (not) guy.

  
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2018,18:15   

Quote (Jkrebs @ Nov. 13 2018,18:10)
Even theists (Andrew) and IDist's (polistra, I think) are bailing on Barry.

Couldn't happen to a nicer (not) guy.

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Ed GeorgeNovember 13, 2018 at 6:08 pm
[URL=https://tinyurl.com/ya3bu95n


Edited by stevestory on Nov. 14 2018,17:52

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2018,18:18   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 13 2018,18:15)
Quote (Jkrebs @ Nov. 13 2018,18:10)
Even theists (Andrew) and IDist's (polistra, I think) are bailing on Barry.

Couldn't happen to a nicer (not) guy.

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Ed GeorgeNovember 13, 2018 at 6:08 pm
[URL=https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51gWVdxzPgL.jpg

Link didn’t work. One more try.

  
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2018,19:30   

Quote (Jkrebs @ Nov. 13 2018,18:10)
Even theists (Andrew) and IDist's (polistra, I think) are bailing on Barry.

Couldn't happen to a nicer (not) guy.

And now, those comments are all gone. What a thin skinned pompous asshole.

  
Jkrebs



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2018,21:59   

For the record, the deleted posts from Barry's post about Dave, "The Argument from Whining, here.

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1. daveS
November 13, 2018 at 5:24 pm

Quoting Barry" Uh, yeah dave, it is certainly possible that I am wrong.""

😮

I commend this part, anyway. But didn’t you say it was not possible that you were wrong in the original thread? (See post #18)
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2. OldAndrew
November 13, 2018 at 5:27 pm

https://uncommondescent.com/comment....-policy

Try to be polite.

Try to be tolerant.

Try to keep belligerence and sarcasm in check.

Apparently all pretense of civility has gone out the window.

You attack dissenters. Not the comments, but the people, in a hostile, vicious manner. You refer to comments as “screaming” and “whining.”

If anyone approves of or condones this sort of conduct, say so. Don’t water it down or make excuses for it. Just say that you approve.
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3. jdk
November 13, 2018 at 5:39 pm

DaveS is about as polite and reasonable as people get here.

Barry is on the opposite end of the spectrum.

This is one of the reasons why I’m done with this place.

Have fun, Barry!
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4. polistra
November 13, 2018 at 5:41 pm

The immoderators of this website have become a fountain of pure nastiness. If you’re trying to help Soros eradicate civilization, you’re doing an excellent job. I’m not going to be part of it.
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5. Ed George
November 13, 2018 at 6:08 pm

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images....PgL.jpg
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6. jd

kNovember 13, 2018 at 6:11 pm
re 5: LOL. Good one.
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At this point Barry deleted post 2 -6 above
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3. jdk
November 13 at 6:56 pm

Absolutely amazing. Barry deleted all the posts critical of him.

What a snowflake! :-)

However, I have them all saved and will post elsewhere for posterity.

LOL
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Post 3 above was deleted
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5. Ed George
November 13 at 7:32 pm

Quoting jdk, "Absolutely amazing. Barry deleted all the posts critical of him. What a snowflake!"

It's his post. He can do as he wishes.
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Post 5 above deleted
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5. Stephen B
November 13 at 7:38 pm

By the way, my comments @ 3 do not apply to DaveS. He has, indeed, been very polite, but I think he has been treated politely as well
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This post was NOT deleted, despite the title of the OP about Dave was "the Argument from Whining."


  
Jkrebs



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2018,22:03   

Ooops: I tried to post this, but it appears I can't. Bye Barry.

 
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In my opinion, Barry is a thin-skinned coward for deleting the posts that criticized him.

All the deleted posts are archived here: http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....y270327

Man up, Barry.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2018,01:48   

Sometimes I wonder why I am continually lured over to UD. I think part of it is reading posts like this one, which has replaced one of the critical responses on Barry’s latest Spread the love thread:
   
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3   StephenB   November 13, 2018 at 7:01 pm

Interesting. All around the globe, partisans for purposelessness know that they cannot win in a fair debate with design thinkers, so they resort to physical attacks, social condemnation, and professional persecution in order to shut down dissenting ideas.
It has become so bad that the tech giants routinely snuff out design-related ideas, such as due process and inherent dignity, even before they have been allowed to surface. Yes, design thinkers need to watch out for their safety because their enemies will get in their face, run them out of restaurants, threaten their families, or beat them into a bloody pulp.
And yet a few of these anti-design partisans, who have been pampered for generations and told that they are brilliant just for showing up, come here to UD and discover that they have been lied to and their ideas don’t hold up. For many of them, it is the first time they have ever been exposed to the idea of a rational universe and, as the movie line goes, they “can’t handle the truth.”
To make matters worse, they become indignant when we don’t continue to pamper them in ways that they have come to expect, not realizing that it may well be their last chance to awaken from their intellectual slumber and join the community of rational people. So rather than learn from the experience they retire into their comfort zone thinking that they have been bullied. They don’t know the meaning of the word.

I stand in awe of the mix of righteousness, arrogance, false victimhood and lack of self-awareness - StephenB, I salute you.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2018,03:07   

Quote (Jkrebs @ Nov. 14 2018,05:59)
For the record, the deleted posts from Barry's post about Dave, "The Argument from Whining, here.

 
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1. daveS
November 13, 2018 at 5:24 pm

Quoting Barry" Uh, yeah dave, it is certainly possible that I am wrong.""

😮

I commend this part, anyway. But didn’t you say it was not possible that you were wrong in the original thread? (See post #18)
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2. OldAndrew
November 13, 2018 at 5:27 pm

https://uncommondescent.com/comment....-policy

Try to be polite.

Try to be tolerant.

Try to keep belligerence and sarcasm in check.

Apparently all pretense of civility has gone out the window.

You attack dissenters. Not the comments, but the people, in a hostile, vicious manner. You refer to comments as “screaming” and “whining.”

If anyone approves of or condones this sort of conduct, say so. Don’t water it down or make excuses for it. Just say that you approve.
===========

3. jdk
November 13, 2018 at 5:39 pm

DaveS is about as polite and reasonable as people get here.

Barry is on the opposite end of the spectrum.

This is one of the reasons why I’m done with this place.

Have fun, Barry!
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4. polistra
November 13, 2018 at 5:41 pm

The immoderators of this website have become a fountain of pure nastiness. If you’re trying to help Soros eradicate civilization, you’re doing an excellent job. I’m not going to be part of it.
============

5. Ed George
November 13, 2018 at 6:08 pm

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images.....PgL.jpg
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6. jd

kNovember 13, 2018 at 6:11 pm
re 5: LOL. Good one.
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At this point Barry deleted post 2 -6 above
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3. jdk
November 13 at 6:56 pm

Absolutely amazing. Barry deleted all the posts critical of him.

What a snowflake! :-)

However, I have them all saved and will post elsewhere for posterity.

LOL
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Post 3 above was deleted
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5. Ed George
November 13 at 7:32 pm

Quoting jdk, "Absolutely amazing. Barry deleted all the posts critical of him. What a snowflake!"

It's his post. He can do as he wishes.
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Post 5 above deleted
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5. Stephen B
November 13 at 7:38 pm

By the way, my comments @ 3 do not apply to DaveS. He has, indeed, been very polite, but I think he has been treated politely as well
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This post was NOT deleted, despite the title of the OP about Dave was "the Argument from Whining."


Thatz pure poetry.....Barry coming again on his way to Bethlehem to be born.
 
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The Second Coming
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?


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Jkrebs



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2018,08:11   

Quote (Ptaylor @ Nov. 14 2018,01:48)
Sometimes I wonder why I am continually lured over to UD. I think part of it is reading posts like this one, which has replaced one of the critical responses on Barry’s latest Spread the love thread:
     
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3   StephenB   November 13, 2018 at 7:01 pm

Interesting. All around the globe, partisans for purposelessness know that they cannot win in a fair debate with design thinkers, so they resort to physical attacks, social condemnation, and professional persecution in order to shut down dissenting ideas.
It has become so bad that the tech giants routinely snuff out design-related ideas, such as due process and inherent dignity, even before they have been allowed to surface. Yes, design thinkers need to watch out for their safety because their enemies will get in their face, run them out of restaurants, threaten their families, or beat them into a bloody pulp.
And yet a few of these anti-design partisans, who have been pampered for generations and told that they are brilliant just for showing up, come here to UD and discover that they have been lied to and their ideas don’t hold up. For many of them, it is the first time they have ever been exposed to the idea of a rational universe and, as the movie line goes, they “can’t handle the truth.”
To make matters worse, they become indignant when we don’t continue to pamper them in ways that they have come to expect, not realizing that it may well be their last chance to awaken from their intellectual slumber and join the community of rational people. So rather than learn from the experience they retire into their comfort zone thinking that they have been bullied. They don’t know the meaning of the word.

I stand in awe of the mix of righteousness, arrogance, false victimhood and lack of self-awareness - StephenB, I salute you.

I agree. That post of Stephen's is absolutely stunning, in a representative way, in its arrogance and self-righteousness. It's the certainty those folks possess that I have battered myself against (but no longer).

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2018,08:17   

Re k.e.'s post. Here's Joni Mitchell's beautiful version of "Slouching Towards Bethlehem": Slouching Towards Bethlehem, based on Yeats poem.

  
Jkrebs



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2018,09:45   

Barry blithely offers a tautology as blindingly compelling logic:

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Everyone, including atheists, believe there can be transcendent meaning only if there is transcendence. It is very simple logic.


Link

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2018,16:50   

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If quantum mechanics were a researcher, she’d be fired

November 14, 2018 Posted by News under Cosmology, Intelligent Design, Multiverse, Physics


WTF is this idiocy.

   
Jkrebs



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2018,17:41   

FWIW, I read Becker's book recently, and thought it was thought-provoking summary of the history of  interpretation of QM in respect to "reality." I don't remember the things mentioned in the review as particularly significant. Also, Denyse fails to point out the Becker dismisses ba77 pet idea that consciousness creates reality: ba and I went around about that one time.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2018,17:55   

I was amazed that you could engage with BS77. I think he's even nuttier than KairosDoofus.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2018,20:13   

Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 14 2018,17:55)
I was amazed that you could engage with BS77. I think he's even nuttier than KairosDoofus.

It’s pretty sad when we look at Barry as being the sanest amongst that bunch.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2018,23:19   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 14 2018,18:13)
Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 14 2018,17:55)
I was amazed that you could engage with BS77. I think he's even nuttier than KairosDoofus.

It’s pretty sad when we look at Barry as being the sanest amongst that bunch.

Fun Boy Three said it best

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2018,05:50   

I've been largely off-line for the last couple of days. Is Barry's "How to Engage in Argumentum ad Gannitum" just a comments thread?

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Jkrebs



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2018,08:16   

Since I no longer post at UD, I need to vent here a little. Commenter Dave is the most civil, reasonable poster there is, but he doesn't agree that it is self-evident that blah blah blah ... all the stuff that Barry, Stephen, kf et al think is true.  So Barry posts:

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60 Barry Arrington, November 15, 2018 at 12:24 am

daveS

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Well, there is more to existence than fretting about meaninglessness, isn’t there? At least I find there is.

Edit: For example, wouldn’t you observe that there are people in need and suffering, and that you might have the resources to help them?


You are truly a pitiful and foolish little man. You live every moment of your life as if your most fundamental metaphysical beliefs are false. But it feels OK because you don’t allow yourself to think about it too much. And that’s good enough for you. Go have some pad Thai dave.


What a horrible man!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2018,08:39   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Nov. 15 2018,13:50)
I've been largely off-line for the last couple of days. Is Barry's "How to Engage in Argumentum ad Gannitum" just a comments thread?

Ganets? I robotically think of Marty Feldman's Book of British Birds (The one witout the Ganet) sketch.

If they could make the joy of his Art into a pill, Barry and his ilk wouldn't be needed......oops.

The stunning banality of Nazism and it's acceptance of horror at every turn has been previously noted. It takes a special kind of cunt to try and rejig that into a virtue.

Barry thinks room 101 might improve his personality and 2 + 2 = 5.

Besidez hez a very 'orible leetle man who couldn't be bothered to acknowledge ze suffering of ze (but not his) ancestors to which he has no relation pour que 'eh could distance himself if it rained and 'is pathetic grifter family and their hangers on from Le Sacrifice.

I hope Barry dies soon.

Barry's hard on for dictators.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2018,14:05   

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StephenB November 16, 2018 at 1:57 pm
As Ocasio-Cortez would say, “I mean, yeah, Barry, fur shur,, awesome man, you know, I mean, like, woh.”


Uh, no, I follow A.O.C's twitter and she's well-spoken and literate and knows how to use commas correctly.

You're thinking of BatShit77.

linky

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2018,15:34   

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bornagain77November 16, 2018 at 3:09 pm
I had a conversation with a democrat the other day. It went something like this.

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Dem: I voted in the midterm so as to stop Donald Trump

Me: Are you for open borders? Do you believe that whoever wants to come in to America can just come in?

Dem: Well, I think that maybe immigrants should be vetted.

Me: That is not what the main platform of the Democratic party is anymore. They basically want completely open borders and to abolish ICE.

After a moments thought he states,,,

Dem: Well the Europeans had no right to come to America and take it from the Indians.

Me: So are you are saying that the United States should not even exist at all?

Dem: Yes! ,,, (Please note that this was, of all people, a veteran that I was talking to)

Me: So are you going to leave America and go back to Europe?

Dem: Wellll???

Me: Don’t you think that God had a divine hand in the founding of America? You know, divine providence? The defeat of the Nazis and Communists and all that???

Dem: NO!


,,, I left the table thoroughly angry and disgusted. Here was a military veteran so thoroughly brainwashed by leftist ideology that he no longer believed that the country that he laid his life on the line for has any right to exist, and that its borders can thus be crossed with impunity by foreigners.

Later that evening, I ordered this book:

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The American Miracle: Divine Providence in the Rise of the Republic by Michael Medved


I plan to not so subtly read it right in front of my brainwashed Democratic friend so he can clearly see the cover.

Here is an interview with Medved about the book

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Michael Medved dicusses “The American Miracle” @ AFA’s Literary Cafe
[URL=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SM7EDjMk6U


I usually avoid politics here but BS77 is going all Right-Wing Nut Job. Which, given the creationism, and Global Warming Denial, is not unexpected.

Edited by stevestory on Nov. 16 2018,16:37

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2018,16:03   

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Darwinian biologist Jerry Coyne denounces Michael Behe’s forthcoming book unread

November 16, 2018 Posted by News under Books of interest, Cell biology, Darwinism, Intelligent Design



$10 says this thing sucks donkey balls.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2018,17:00   

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Democracies Fail Without Adult Supervision
November 16, 2018 Posted by Barry Arrington under Off Topic
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Pure democracies are inherently unstable.  Exhibit A for why that is so:



It's RWNJ day all day over there.

And Barry is of course a shitty, condescending moron, as per usual.

   
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