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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2007,13:36   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 13 2007,13:17)
Quote (Steverino @ Dec. 13 2007,12:02)
I don't know why, but Joe G just strikes me as a loud mouth pussy.

Classic bully. Will try and intimidate but backs of quickly when you stand up to him.

What is it about ID and bullies?  If I had to come up with a one-word descriptor of DaveScot is would also be bulley.  

I guess God on your side makes for an easier time doing "Design Science."

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blipey



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,14:04   

Wow was this thing buried--probably for good reason.  However, in the interim Joe Gallien has calculated some CSI.  He's even made a prediction using CSI as a basis.

The 9340 Model of CSI in an ID paradigm

In case my comment doesn't make it up for a while (it is an ID blog):

I asked him if (CSI > 9340) = DESIGN, if (CSI < 9340) = UNDESIGNED, what the CSI of a mud puddle might be, and how that puddle CSI figure jibes with the 9340 Model.

edit to add info in a direct violation of SLOT.

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Occam's Aftershave



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,15:22   

I just pointed out to him that he could take 1868 scrabble tiles with the same letters, toss them into a bag, mix them, then draw them at random.  The resulting gobbledygook  would then have the exact same amount of CSI as the article his method just calculated.   :D  I don't expect my comment to make it past moderation though.

I also wonder where he got the 5 bits per character from.  That only gives you 32 characters, which would exclude capital letters, numerals, and some other useful punctuation (umlauts, etc.)  Standard ASCII uses 7 bits for 128 characters

But hey, it's Joe G, so you get what you get.
:p

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,15:30   

Well, remember that there are only 10 kinds of people - those who understand binary, and those who don't. :p

  
blipey



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,15:31   

Oh, it'll probably make it through.  Joe may post slow, but most things get through--and that's when fun ensues.  He'll allow just about anything through, even stuff that makes him look retarded.  Then 6 comments later he apparently completely forgets the content of all comments in the thread.  Good stuff.

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,16:05   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Feb. 06 2008,16:22)
I just pointed out to him that he could take 1868 scrabble tiles with the same letters, toss them into a bag, mix them, then draw them at random.  The resulting gobbledygook  would then have the exact same amount of CSI as the article his method just calculated.   :D  I don't expect my comment to make it past moderation though.

I also wonder where he got the 5 bits per character from.  That only gives you 32 characters, which would exclude capital letters, numerals, and some other useful punctuation (umlauts, etc.)  Standard ASCII uses 7 bits for 128 characters

But hey, it's Joe G, so you get what you get.
:p

Geez.  What if God speaks Chinese though?

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,16:09   

Quote (blipey @ Feb. 06 2008,15:31)
Oh, it'll probably make it through.  Joe may post slow, but most things get through--and that's when fun ensues.  He'll allow just about anything through, even stuff that makes him look retarded.  Then 6 comments later he apparently completely forgets the content of all comments in the thread.  Good stuff.

Nah.. he's not let through a couple on the "CSI of a baseball"

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blipey



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,16:15   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 06 2008,16:09)
Quote (blipey @ Feb. 06 2008,15:31)
Oh, it'll probably make it through.  Joe may post slow, but most things get through--and that's when fun ensues.  He'll allow just about anything through, even stuff that makes him look retarded.  Then 6 comments later he apparently completely forgets the content of all comments in the thread.  Good stuff.

Nah.. he's not let through a couple on the "CSI of a baseball"

True enough.  It does make me wonder what i criteria are though.  The sheer volume of stuff that he allows through that make him looked completely stupid is incredible.  So his criteria is not "does this make me look dumb?".  He also doesn't have Ftk false front of "be nice."  What the hell is it?

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2008,17:56   

blipey you are a saint, the saint of suffering fools.

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I have frequently been asked why, for example, microbes are found in the lowest strata. My thoughts have always been that they were a necessary ingredient for fertile soil and plant growth.


ORLY joe.  who in the feck asked you this, frequently?  because you are an authority?  or because it's funny?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2008,18:20   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Feb. 07 2008,17:56)
blipey you are a saint, the saint of suffering fools.

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I have frequently been asked why, for example, microbes are found in the lowest strata. My thoughts have always been that they were a necessary ingredient for fertile soil and plant growth.


ORLY joe.  who in the feck asked you this, frequently?  because you are an authority?  or because it's funny?

Where is that quote from?  Oh my god.

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2008,19:01   

Tard

Check out Rudy Lyle (MR DNA YOU OUT THERE BOY?)  Is that a good example of IDC Science or whut?

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2008,19:03   

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rudy lyle said...
Joe

I am a research scientist and grad student at a fairly respectable engineering school. I have been led to investigate the mathematical reasons for why evolution is not true.

One of my research projects involves the calculation of CSI from various natural features in order to show that nature is designed. I have been forced to undertake this research on my own initiative and time and money as questioning darwinism is not popular, even in my field of science.

I have been surveying what other prominent ID thinkers have to say about my project. In short, my latest ideas have been measuring the number of bits of information along transects through a predetermined volume of soil space. Since the darwinian ecologists have invented explanations for the arrangement of soil micro-organisms along particular resource gradients that they just imagine to be responsible for all sorts of things like population size or reproduction or mutation or take your pick of whatever you can imagine to be stupid. they do it.

anyway, if one were to take a particular volume of soil, say, a big volume 50 centimeters by 50 centimeters by 50 centimeters. Run say 100 random skewers through that soil and draw 50 random locations on each skewer to measure the size and volume of the particle at each location.

You would very quickly surpass the UPB. These measurements would be strongly correlated with certain parameters of the microbial community. I have yet to show this but I think I can make it happen in the lab and verify my hypothesis.

What is important here is that we have shown that whole soil microbial communities are a function of intelligent design. Take away the complexity inserted by intelligence, then you lose your soil microbial community. Since this is the darwinian source of explanation for why species are different or in one place or the other (like productivity or other things that the evolutionists have stolen from engineers). then establishing it to be of intelligent design would be a strong thrust in favor of ID.

I am tired of them getting owned in the blogosphere yet you never hear of this in the scientific literature. My results are publishable in some of the top journal in my field, but of course I have to bow down and kiss the ring of the establishment, or else make it on my own. This is why I am interested in your feedback: if the top ID thinkers and yes even critics are behind me, or at least respecting me, then it is that much stronger a case for the special status of each and every human life we can make.

11:47 PM


Joe's Response is a disappointment

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joe g said...
Rudy,

Thank you for posting on Intelligent Reasoning.

You work is very interesting and adds a different twist to the debate.

I have frequently been asked why, for example, microbes are found in the lowest strata. My thoughts have always been that they were a necessary ingredient for fertile soil and plant growth.

8:33 AM


In the same way that seeing Evel Kneivel eat 100 yards of pavement is a disappointment.

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2008,19:46   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Feb. 07 2008,18:56)
I have frequently been asked why, for example, microbes are found in the lowest strata. My thoughts have always been that they were a necessary ingredient for fertile soil and plant growth.

Oh, I'm sure he's being totally honest about that.

I mean, cuz whenever I have a deep and thoughtful question about biology and geology, the first guy I ask is the Maytag Repairman.

srsly

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silverspoon



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2008,19:57   

All kinds of plants grow under 100’s of feet of sediment. Fertile soil and plant growth are often found there. That’s how plants survived being buried by Da Fluud !

DaveTard made a similar statement about oil being designed millions of years ago for future use.

I don’t suppose Dave and Joe realize they’re dabbling into the designers intentions.  That’s a real No No.

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Annyday



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2008,20:18   

Quote (silverspoon @ Feb. 07 2008,19:57)
All kinds of plants grow under 100’s of feet of sediment. Fertile soil and plant growth are often found there. That’s how plants survived being buried by Da Fluud !

DaveTard made a similar statement about oil being designed millions of years ago for future use.

I don’t suppose Dave and Joe realize they’re dabbling into the designers intentions.  That’s a real No No.

It depends on the audience. It's a no-no in front of church burning ebola boys, but in church it's basically mandatory.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2008,20:26   

Quote (silverspoon @ Feb. 07 2008,19:57)
All kinds of plants grow under 100’s of feet of sediment. Fertile soil and plant growth are often found there. That’s how plants survived being buried by Da Fluud !

DaveTard made a similar statement about oil being designed millions of years ago for future use.

I don’t suppose Dave and Joe realize they’re dabbling into the designers intentions.  That’s a real No No.

Cut 'em some slack.  It's hard to remember the rules when you make them up as you go along.

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blipey



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2008,21:20   

Leading ID Theorist claims that ID has no purpose!

That's right, folks; Joe Gallien has admitted that ID has no purpose whatsoever!
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thorton: ID is suppose to be able to determine specificity and therefore design when there in is no pre-existing pattern to compare to.

JoeG: Reference please.


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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2008,06:59   

Quote (blipey @ Feb. 07 2008,21:20)
Leading ID Theorist claims that ID has no purpose!

That's right, folks; Joe Gallien has admitted that ID has no purpose whatsoever!
   
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thorton: ID is suppose to be able to determine specificity and therefore design when there in is no pre-existing pattern to compare to.

JoeG: Reference please.

Uh-oh. By pressing this point, Blipey managed to get himself banned at Joe's blog.  
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Read the books I told you to.

Don't come back until you do.

Your ignorance filled posts will no longer be posted.

c-ya


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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2008,13:52   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Feb. 08 2008,06:59)
Quote (blipey @ Feb. 07 2008,21:20)
Leading ID Theorist claims that ID has no purpose!

That's right, folks; Joe Gallien has admitted that ID has no purpose whatsoever!
     
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thorton: ID is suppose to be able to determine specificity and therefore design when there in is no pre-existing pattern to compare to.

JoeG: Reference please.

Uh-oh. By pressing this point, Blipey managed to get himself banned at Joe's blog.    
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Read the books I told you to.

Don't come back until you do.

Your ignorance filled posts will no longer be posted.

c-ya

There goes half his readership...

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blipey



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2008,15:26   

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Read the books I told you to.

Don't come back until you do.

Your ignorance filled posts will no longer be posted.

c-ya


I'm pretty sure I've read more of them than Joe.  :D

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blipey



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2008,21:11   

Leading ID Theorist, JoeG, speaks again on the usefulness of ID.

Seriously!

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In order to tell if blipey's string- 100011101001011100010111010101- is designed or not I would need to know where he got it from.

For example, did it just pop into his bitty little head, was it found on the wall of a cave, was it on a piece of paper or what?


In order to tell if my string is designed, Joe would need me to tell him whether or not I designed it.  This ID thing really has something going for it!

So, Joe, um...if I told you I found it on a piece of paper, could you then tell me if it was designed?  What new information (relevant information) would that fact give you?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2008,21:22   

Can't he just analyse it for Complex Specified Information?

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2008,21:29   

Quote (blipey @ Feb. 12 2008,21:11)
Leading ID Theorist, JoeG, speaks again on the usefulness of ID.

Seriously!

 
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In order to tell if blipey's string- 100011101001011100010111010101- is designed or not I would need to know where he got it from.

For example, did it just pop into his bitty little head, was it found on the wall of a cave, was it on a piece of paper or what?


In order to tell if my string is designed, Joe would need me to tell him whether or not I designed it.  This ID thing really has something going for it!

So, Joe, um...if I told you I found it on a piece of paper, could you then tell me if it was designed?  What new information (relevant information) would that fact give you?

It especially funny given that Joe is now touting Dumbshitski's claim of the affirmative to his question:

Can objects, even if nothing is known about how they arose, exhibit features that reliably signal the action of an intelligent cause?

I'm having a ball watching Thornton make Joe dance around like a trained gerbil BTW.  :D

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blipey



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2008,15:08   

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Blipey: No, Joe. The writing is NOT a property of the string.

JoeDipshit: I never said nor implied that it was.



Just a few comments previously we had:

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Blipey: No, if someone wrote it down, that means that someone wrote it down.

JoeAsshat: Which means it was written by an intelligent agent- ie it was designed.

Blipey: The writing has nothing to do with whether the string itself was designed.

Joe: It does. It was designed by the person who wrote it.


Joe, do you fib so much your penis hurts?




Read this part of the saga here. But, the whole damn thread is pretty funny.  Thorton is reaming Joe.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2008,20:34   

I tried to post this on Joe's blog but I'm having difficulty opening a google account:
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I must say I am puzzled by this specification stuff. As I understand it, specificity is determined with regards to function. So if I am on a beach and I come across a hard, round, white ball with dimples in it that was designed because it is just right for playing golf. If a few yards along the beach I come across a hard, round object that fits comfortably in my hand and is just right for throwing at the next adulterer I see, does that show that the stone was designed?

In other words, how can an object (organ, organelle or biochemical pathway) that was designed for a specific purpose be reliably distinguished from an object that was not designed but just happens to perform some function quite effectively?

I too am finding the argument that a string of digits is designed because someone wrote it down is vastly entertaining.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2008,21:48   

edit: wrong thread.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2008,22:28   

Against my better judgment, I posted a very polite comment on Joe's blog.  We'll see when it appears.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2008,22:32   

Quote (Hermagoras @ Feb. 14 2008,22:28)
Against my better judgment, I posted a very polite comment on Joe's blog.  We'll see when it appears.

Don't let him try and bully you!

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2008,08:42   

Shithead Joe is now deleting parts of my posts as I send them to him (I'm Thornton) and refusing to display others at all.

In particular I asked him about Blipey's sequence 100011101001011100010111010101 , the one Joe says was designed since it was written on a piece of paper.

I asked him suppose he was hiking and the trail went past a cliff composed of light (L) and dark (D) granites.  At the bottom of the cliff is found a series of rocks with the pattern

LDDDLLLDLDDLDLLLDDDLDLLLDLDLDL

I pointed out that those rocks could have ended up there as the result of "nature acting freely" as Joehole likes to put it.

I asked him how to tell if the rocks ended up there naturally or were intelligently placed as a message (i.e. "watch out for falling rocks" in a code he didn't understand)

Joe refused to show the post - I wonder why?

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"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2008,08:49   

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Joe refused to show the post - I wonder why?


I think 'Joehole' answers this quite sufficiently.

roflmao

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