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Posted: Feb. 16 2008,18:06

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I think Sal is becoming one sick puppy. Has anybody been to his University? Would it be apt to point one of the campus welfare people to his blog.
It would be terrible to sit back and laugh at him one day and then find out that he decides that he is the hand of God.

My guess is that it is not just failing grades. I'd say that he is debating one of his professors and he is finding that in real life it is not as easy to pretend to win a discussion as it is on a blog.

I wonder if Ftk ever bangs her head on the table when she looks at who is on her side or she is so totally under the spell of Morton's demon that she can't really see the difference.

He's also taken to drinking. Alone? Probably.

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Apologies to the reader. The original title referred to �accelerated radioactive decay�. That was an error, the subject relates to �accelerated sedimentary deposition� and fast layering that has been mis-interpreted as long geological ages. The analysis I provided suggest this severe misinterpretation by paleogeolgists.[sic]

Sorry for the misprint. Perhaps it was too late at night and too much chardonay [sic]�.

Emphasis added. Ellipsis in original.

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Posted: Feb. 16 2008,18:22

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I think Sal is becoming one sick puppy. Has anybody been to his University? Would it be apt to point one of the campus welfare people to his blog.
It would be terrible to sit back and laugh at him one day and then find out that he decides that he is the hand of God.

My guess is that it is not just failing grades. I'd say that he is debating one of his professors and he is finding that in real life it is not as easy to pretend to win a discussion as it is on a blog.

I wonder if Ftk ever bangs her head on the table when she looks at who is on her side or she is so totally under the spell of Morton's demon that she can't really see the difference.

He's also taken to drinking. Alone? Probably.

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Apologies to the reader. The original title referred to �accelerated radioactive decay�. That was an error, the subject relates to �accelerated sedimentary deposition� and fast layering that has been mis-interpreted as long geological ages. The analysis I provided suggest this severe misinterpretation by paleogeolgists.[sic]

Sorry for the misprint. Perhaps it was too late at night and too much chardonay [sic]�.

Emphasis added. Ellipsis in original.

Are you sure he means the wine when he says "Chardonay" [sic]?

He might have been in a club down in old Soho, where they drink champagne and it tastes just like Coca-Cola, when he met someone who goes by the name of "Chardonnay".

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Posted: Feb. 18 2008,19:25

The End is Nigh. Ointment Cordova is being logical:

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Is the creationist position so weak it must be defended by creeds instead of evidence? Is there biblical calculus? Is their biblical geometry? Is there a biblical value of PI? Is there biblical thermodynamics? Is there biblical chemistry? No. Such things are nonsense and are not made any better or more glorifying to God by suggesting a scientific idea is correct by merely saying, �thus saith the Lord.�

If one wishes to argue the Bible is true, argue from the evidence, not from the scriptures. To argue that the Bible is true based on the scriptures is circular reasoning. That is the AiG way, that is the ICR way, and that�s why YECs have such a bad reputation�

At first I thought someone with a functioning brain had hacked into his site, but sure enough, he gets his Tard on later on in the post.

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Posted: Feb. 18 2008,22:05

this makes me sad. poor tard. bad bad bad bad bad bad tard. poor tard.

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The we might know if the Genesis passage can be taken literally is if the evidence points in that direction. That is what the search for the Young Cosmos is about. I�m not convinced the Cosmos is 10,000 years old, but I�m cautiously optimistic it might be�.

Ontological Silly Buggers.

* OSB is a particularly shitty material for a foundation. I wouldn't use it for anything but sheathing. Sal uses it for props.

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Posted: Feb. 18 2008,22:14

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We might know if my anal passage can be taken, literally. If the evidence points in that direction, That is what the search for my arse is about. I�m not convinced both my hands could find my arse, but I�m cautiously optimistic they might �.

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Posted: Feb. 18 2008,22:55

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We might know if my anal passage can be taken, again. �If the evidence points in that direction, That is what the search for my arse is about. I�m not convinced both my hands could find my arse, but I�m cautiously optimistic they might �.

Fixed

Fixed the fixed.

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Posted: Feb. 19 2008,12:34

http://www.youngcosmos.com/blog/archives/216 Prestigious scientific journal Nature on CDK

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Decreasing speed of light models postulate some sort of exponential decay. As time moved forward, the changes became less and less, but they were noticed:

� ��If the velocity of light is constant, how is it that, invariably, new determinations give values which are lower than the last one obtained � There are twenty-two coincidences in favour of a decrease of the velocity of light, while there is not a single one against it.�

� �M. E. J. Gheury de Bray, �The Velocity of Light,� Nature, 24 March 1934, p. 464.

� �u M. E. J. Gheury de Bray, �The Velocity of Light,� Nature, 4 April 1931, p. 522.

Look at the graph right above this text in Sal's post. �The irony is that the speed of light "increased" from 1935-1945 and has stayed there! �

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Posted: Feb. 19 2008,13:51

That, and our instruments have become considerably more precise. Strangely, the speed of light stabilizes at almost exactly the same time as our measurements become really reliable, and the earlier measurements appear to place the actual speed of light within their margin of error. Oopsie-daisy.

And for why the measurements appear to mostly err to one side rather than the other, we have a pretty good explanation - concerning a different set of measurements - by Feynman.

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We have learned a lot from experience about how to handle some of the ways we fool ourselves. One example: Millikan measured the charge on an electron by an experiment with falling oil drops, and got an answer which we now know not to be quite right. It's a little bit off because he had the incorrect value for the viscosity of air. It's interesting to look at the history of measurements of the charge of an electron, after Millikan. If you plot them as a function of time, you find that one is a little bit bigger than Millikan's, and the next one's a little bit bigger than that, and the next one's a little bit bigger than that, until finally they settle down to a number which is higher.

Why didn't they discover the new number was higher right away? It's a thing that scientists are ashamed of -- this history -- because it's apparent that people did things like this: when they got a number that was too high above Millikan's, they thought something must be wrong -- and they would look for and find a reason why something might be wrong. When they got a number close to Millikan's value they didn't look so hard. And so they eliminated the numbers that were too far off, and did other things like that. We've learned those tricks nowadays, and now we don't have that kind of a disease.

At the very least, it would be a hell of a vicious coincidence if the speed of light stopped changing as soon as we were able to measure it accurately. Sal and Walt's version of cosmology is also a little weird to my limited understanding, in that it seems to rely upon fudging around what the evidence for and against their position might actually be. There's lots of wiggling around the current gaps and edges of scientific knowledge, and no attempt to explain the well-known things that conventional physics encompasses. In other words, it's still a chewbacca defense.

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Posted: Feb. 23 2008,02:38

Is Sal on sick leave? A circular saw accident? Doesn't seem he knows much about tool use. I always use a chain saw for massacres. I don't have much to contribute to this forum, but i found this (in my opinion, rather poor as Limericks go) that I dedicate to Sal:

There was a young fellow named Dirkin,
Who was always jerkin' his gherkin.
His mother said: "Dirkin
Quit jerkin' your gherkin, .
Your gherkin's for ferkin', not jerkin' ."

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Posted: Feb. 23 2008,04:25

Quote (Annyday @ Feb. 19 2008,14:51)

At the very least, it would be a hell of a vicious coincidence if the speed of light stopped changing as soon as we were able to measure it accurately. Sal and Walt's version of cosmology is also a little weird to my limited understanding, in that it seems to rely upon fudging around what the evidence for and against their position might actually be. There's lots of wiggling around the current gaps and edges of scientific knowledge, and no attempt to explain the well-known things that conventional physics encompasses. In other words, it's still a chewbacca defense.

Omitting the origin of the Y axis while graphing values is another time-honored method of distortion suitable for simpleminded audiences. Sal's uncredited source displays a very slight downward shift in values (as measurements have asymptotically approached the actual value) as a huge sweeping drop.

Sal also implies that Nature is the source of these illustrations, but it obviously is not.

Nice to see Sal reproduce distortion and indirection uncommented and uncredited. Data points documenting his fundamental dishonesty don't display any drop at all.

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Posted: Feb. 23 2008,13:36

Bradford at Telic Thoughts:

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When Baylor decided on a course of action that kept an intellect like Salvador away the message was: No intelligence allowed.

Shouldn't my monitor explode or something when it displays the phrase "an intellect like Salvador"?

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Posted: Feb. 23 2008,15:38

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Bradford at Telic Thoughts:

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When Baylor decided on a course of action that kept an intellect like Salvador away the message was: No intelligence allowed.

Shouldn't my monitor explode or something when it displays the phrase "an intellect like Salvador"?

Yes, it's an anti-TARD safety mechanism. Check your warranty.

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Posted: Feb. 24 2008,19:43

Please turn off your irony meters.

Discussing Darwin's skull topped walking stick:

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Thank Hermagoras for the info. However, not all practices within Christendom I consider wholesome or consistent with the gospels. Memento mori is not consistent with Philippians:

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Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable�if anything is excellent or praiseworthy�think about such things.

Even though I have my own passing fascination for the macabre, having a skull around the house for decoration is way too much for me. Totally creepy.

I�ve been around in protestant circles and familiar with protestant culture for a long time, and skulls generally have negative connotation. Darwin may have adopted an accepted symbol within Christendom at the time, but he may unwittingly have symbolized what his ideas were all about by doing so.

Anyway, thank you for the info.

regards,
Salvador

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Posted: Mar. 03 2008,12:51

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My opinion of Darwinist paleogeologists is only slightly higher than for paleo anthropologists. I found their speculations appallingly bad and in violation of reasonable interpretations of standard physics. Darwinism and physics don�t mix, neither does paleogeology and physics�

The prestigious scientific journal Nature explores a highly important topic:

Makse, H. A., Havlin, S., King, P. R. and Stanley, H. E., 1997. Spontaneous stratification in granular mixtures. Nature, 386:379�382.

Fineberg, J., 1997. From Cinderella�s dilemma to rock slides. Nature, 386:323�324.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/images/112tj.jpg

Did the above stratification take millions or thousands of years. NO!

If the density (rho) of one kind of sediment is different than another, a fluid mixture of these subtances can cause stratification. This is not too far from Archimedes Principle. This is sophomore physics�.

Do we have examples of stratification that might be candidates for spontaneous stratification? Hmm�.

http://www.itsnature.org/Wild_Tr....on5.jpg

Did it take millions of years? Was Lyell right? The jury is still out.

Hmm, sounds like speculation to me. Looking up the well-hidden information on the Grand Canyon, one sees for example:

Cardenas basalt. Tell us Sal, how is lava "sediment" which would sort among the others by density? Maybe it is not lava, the jury is still out!

What about all the fossils, Sal? Would they settle slower than fine particles? Have you checked the size distributions of particles in each layer, to see if they are what you expect from the Nature paper?

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Posted: Mar. 03 2008,21:49

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Maybe it is not lava, the jury is still out!

Maybe a different brand of soap?

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Posted: Mar. 04 2008,12:10

It's quite amusing to watch Sal talk to himself in the comments at YC. In this one he imagines that he is being questioned, by someone he calls the "Inquisitor", about his notions re geology.

Maybe someone should remind him about historic facts re the Inquisition...

Naahh, it is probably better to let him fantasize about being a martyr.

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Posted: Mar. 04 2008,14:17

What level is beyond "extremely stupid?" Perhaps we should create a term to describe such a mental state: Cordovian stupidity.

Sal squeaks:

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When I posed questions to various geologists, and when they sensed they were a bit cornered, they responded with insults rather than sound physics. I knew then something was up.

A reasonable answer is that the material sediment was in a fluid mix, it stratified according to Archimedes principles, and then became something like cement in a curing process. Before the curing was complete, some sort of compression happened which caused the bends and folds. That ought to supersede the standard story that the folds and bends were facilitated merely by heat, pressure, and time.

And digs deeper:

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I point that out to further the argument that folded rocks like the pyrite above were in a cement like state when they were bent and could not possibly be the product of a hot bending process over millions of years. Rock researchers have clearly been wrong in the past about the mechanisms that created certain rock formations.

Sal's knowledge of chemistry, geochemistry and structural geology is on par with his understanding of biology and physics, that is to say, buried deep in a bunker on the First Hole.

Sal simply makes stuff up like "cement like state", "curing process", and "some sort of compression." And he wonders why the geologists resorted to "insults" which probably pointed out that Sal was both wrong and stupidly wrong.

I thought Sal was going to STFU during his "graduate" time?

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Posted: Mar. 04 2008,14:59

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What level is beyond "extremely stupid?" Perhaps we should create a term to describe such a mental state: Cordovian stupidity.

I like it.

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Posted: Mar. 04 2008,15:18

Quote (Lou FCD @ Mar. 04 2008,14:59)

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What level is beyond "extremely stupid?" Perhaps we should create a term to describe such a mental state: Cordovian stupidity.

I like it.

Perhaps we can get Mario Beauregard to run an fMRI scan of Sal's cranium while he is engaging in these bouts of stupidity, just to see how low the blood flow to his brain can get. I think Sal should take a trip to Canada and volunteer for this experiment; it would be interesting to see if the blood flow stops entirely, or if it is merely shunted to his cloaca.

'Twould explain a lot, methinks.

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Posted: Mar. 04 2008,16:09

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Bradford at Telic Thoughts:

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When Baylor decided on a course of action that kept an intellect like Salvador away the message was: No intelligence allowed.

Shouldn't my monitor explode or something when it displays the phrase "an intellect like Salvador"?

There are a few people at Telic Thoughts who seem to have some comprehension of science. Bradford is not one of them.

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Posted: Mar. 22 2008,01:25

http://youngcosmos.com/discuss/

Total number of posts in the 8 month history of Young Cosmos: 787.

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/03/expelled.php#comments

Number of posts on PZ Myers's Expelled thread, last 30 hours: 1173.

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Posted: Mar. 22 2008,08:22

Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 22 2008,01:25)

http://youngcosmos.com/discuss/

Total number of posts in the 8 month history of Young Cosmos: 787.

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/03/expelled.php#comments

Number of posts on PZ Myers's Expelled thread, last 30 hours: 1173.

Steve - That's because you forgot to run the numbers through Sal's YEC Filter Magnascope™. Since the universe is 6,000 years old, the red-shift makes Sal's numbers look smaller by an order of magnitude, giving him an actual postership of 787 million.

I have been told that this is the same line he uses on Fundamentalist Co-Eds, where he tries to convince them that 1" = 10". With about as much success.

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Posted: Mar. 22 2008,12:34

Sal:

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For starters, Tipler observes that the Shroud of Turin has DNA on it consistent with an XX male, which would suggest a virgin birth!

More experienced biologists may know that one of the X chromosomes of XX male contains parts of the paternal Y-chromosome and that this is a result translocating the SRY gene from Y to X. Thus, paternal meiosis is absolutely required for this process. But it surely is not Sal's task to meet my pathetic level of detail.

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Posted: Mar. 22 2008,14:38

BTW, I guess Sal is the only person on this planet that can not cite Nature without adding

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the prestigious scientific journal

in front of it. I guess he didn't do this before his name was printed in there.

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Posted: April 18 2008,14:40

And seemingly I am the only person who reads Sal's tard.

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Posted: April 18 2008,15:03

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And seemingly I am the only person who reads Sal's tard.

The rest of us have emptied our stomachs at his blog. We're not ready for a repeat yet.

Keep mining, though.

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Posted: April 18 2008,15:55

Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 22 2008,01:25)

http://youngcosmos.com/discuss/

Total number of posts in the 8 month history of Young Cosmos: 787.

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/03/expelled.php#comments

Number of posts on PZ Myers's Expelled thread, last 30 hours: 1173.

Give Young Cosmos a break! After all, it is hard to post as much when you only have two people allowed to post to the blog. No expelling at Young Cosmos, nosirree!

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Posted: April 18 2008,15:59

Somebody is obsessed with HO-MO-Sexules!

http://www.youngcosmos.com/blog/archives/242

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