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Jkrebs Posts: 590 Joined: Sep. 2004 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2018,20:06    But seriously, I've learned a lot about QM that I didn't know by chasing bornagain down some of his rabbit holes, so all has not been wasted. I particularly liked the Preface and Afterward of David Griffiths book. However, I did just use the phrase "bornagain gallop", but am afraid kf, for some reason, is not around to chastise me. But ba got to Jesus Christ upholding the universe, and I thought that was bit much.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2018,20:42    Quote (Jkrebs @ Oct. 01 2018,20:06) But seriously, I've learned a lot about QM that I didn't know by chasing bornagain down some of his rabbit holes, so all has not been wasted. I particularly liked the Preface and Afterward of David Griffiths book. However, I did just use the phrase "bornagain gallop", but am afraid kf, for some reason, is not around to chastise me. But ba got to Jesus Christ upholding the universe, and I thought that was bit much. You should be fine. KF’s reaction to the use of “Gish Gallop” appears to be due to the fact that Duane is dead.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 02 2018,14:50    If anybody still has a sock at that Crackhouse drop me a line at my name at gmail.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 02 2018,15:25    Quote 22 R J SawyerOctober 2, 2018 at 1:36 pm FF Quote I can’t believe that, even though I believe in intelligent design, I am agreeing with Darwinists and materialists that brains and computers do learn. Something is not right in this picture. Welcome to the dark side my young apprentice. 🙂 Kudos to RJ and FF.

Ptaylor Posts: 1180 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 02 2018,18:23    Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 03 2018,08:25)     Quote 22 R J SawyerOctober 2, 2018 at 1:36 pm FF       Quote I can’t believe that, even though I believe in intelligent design, I am agreeing with Darwinists and materialists that brains and computers do learn. Something is not right in this picture. Welcome to the dark side my young apprentice. 🙂 Kudos to RJ and FF. And BA77 comments on that:     Quote That quip ought to send a chill right down your spine FF. (followed by 3,000 words). Humour - seems to be a rare commodity among so many at UD. Edited by Ptaylor on Oct. 03 2018,11:24 -------------- We no longer say: “Another day; another bad day for Darwinism.” We now say: “Another day since the time Darwinism was disproved.” -PaV, Uncommon Descent, 19 June 2016

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 02 2018,19:15    Batshit:     Quote Well, contrary to what you believe, material brains can learn nothing. PERIOD. And he knows this from personal experience. Link

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 02 2018,20:12    Quote (Ptaylor @ Oct. 02 2018,18:23) Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 03 2018,08:25)       Quote 22 R J SawyerOctober 2, 2018 at 1:36 pm FF       Quote I can’t believe that, even though I believe in intelligent design, I am agreeing with Darwinists and materialists that brains and computers do learn. Something is not right in this picture. Welcome to the dark side my young apprentice. 🙂 Kudos to RJ and FF. And BA77 comments on that:       Quote That quip ought to send a chill right down your spine FF. (followed by 3,000 words). Humour - seems to be a rare commodity among so many at UD. RJ. Quote Humour does not run deep in this one, my young apprentice. 🙂

sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 03 2018,05:35    This will hurt: Quote The Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences has decided to award the 2018 Nobel Prize in Chemistry to Frances H. Arnold George P. Smith Sir Gregory P. Winter They harnessed the power of evolution The power of evolution is revealed through the diversity of life. The 2018 Nobel Laureates in Chemistry have taken control of evolution and used it for purposes that bring the greatest benefit to humankind. Enzymes produced through directed evolution are used to manufacture everything from biofuels to pharmaceuticals. Antibodies evolved using a method called phage display can combat autoimmune diseases and in some cases cure metastatic cancer. -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 03 2018,05:44    let me google that for you -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

Ptaylor Posts: 1180 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 03 2018,16:14    In his current post, Pioneer’s Fool’s Errand Barry seems to think that the purpose of the Pioneer spacecraft program, or at least the two missions that carried the famous plaque, was solely (or perhaps mainly) to make contact with extraterrestrials.     Quote ...I am outraged that NASA would squander hundreds of millions of dollars of taxpayer funds on such an obviously quixotic quest. Outraged, I tell you! UD link Edited to clarify. Edited by Ptaylor on Oct. 04 2018,09:23 -------------- We no longer say: “Another day; another bad day for Darwinism.” We now say: “Another day since the time Darwinism was disproved.” -PaV, Uncommon Descent, 19 June 2016

Texas Teach Posts: 2084 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 03 2018,16:42    Quote (Ptaylor @ Oct. 03 2018,16:14) In his current post, Pioneer’s Fool’s Errand Barry seems to think that the purpose of the Pioneer spacecraft program, or at least the two missions that carried the famous plaque, was solely (or perhaps mainly) to make contact with extraterrestrials.     Quote ...I am outraged that NASA would squander hundreds of millions of dollars of taxpayer funds on such an obviously quixotic quest. Outraged, I tell you! UD link Edited to clarify. Barry would much rather the government squandered hundreds of millions of dollars of taxpayer funds on forced birth and making the gays miserable. -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr "I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 03 2018,18:24    One F-35 costs $85 million and it has trouble if there's lightning. . Last year the "Defense" Department spent roughly ~1 trillion Ameros. Calm the fuck down Barry

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 06 2018,11:11    Quote 8 Robert SheldonOctober 5, 2018 at 9:19 am DaveS and PaoloV, it should be clear that the # Baramins must be less than the # Species. As a start, I would suggest that #B = sqrt(#S). Then the uncertainty in the # species (dS) would map to baramins as: dB = sqrt(dS). So I’m essentially disagreeing with your assertion that dB = dS^2. In any case, baramins fail to solve the “Ark problem”, however I have a recent book that solves it much more neatly. The Long Ascent: Genesis 1-11 in Science and Myth, vol 1.https://www.amazon.com/Long-As....57FXX2S MOAR SCIENCE!

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 06 2018,13:59    Quote 10 jdkOctober 6, 2018 at 11:58 am I believe that if B = sqrt (S) = S ^ (1/2), then dB = 1 / (2 sqrt (S)) * ds It is certainly NOT the case that if B = sqrt (S), then db = sqrt (ds). Am I missing something, or do we have an elementary calculus mistake in 8? linky

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 06 2018,16:09    Why worry about the number or differential of a fictional concept?

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 07 2018,06:29    To quote the prophet Gomer (Pyle), "Surprise, surprise!" Granville Sewell has written a post and comments are enabled! Disappointmentally, It doesn't seem to help.  Its the 'same ol', same ol'.   Basically, he can't see how the four fundamental fources of physics can produce iPhones, therefore Jesus, but at least someone who gives a damn can ask questions now. From Barren Planet to Jesus in Four Easy Pieces (approximately) Edited to add punctuation. Edited by CeilingCat on Oct. 07 2018,06:31

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 07 2018,10:40    Quote (CeilingCat @ Oct. 07 2018,07:29) To quote the prophet Gomer (Pyle), "Surprise, surprise!" Granville Sewell has written a post and comments are enabled! Disappointmentally, It doesn't seem to help.  Its the 'same ol', same ol'.   Basically, he can't see how the four fundamental fources of physics can produce iPhones, therefore Jesus, but at least someone who gives a damn can ask questions now. From Barren Planet to Jesus in Four Easy Pieces (approximately) Edited to add punctuation. Speaking of punctuation, do you think BS77's dysfunctional relationship with the comma is a result of childhood trauma, or something else?

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 07 2018,11:18    Quote 23 LatemarchOctober 7, 2018 at 6:41 am BA77@19 Thanks for the link to Genetic Entropy! Downloaded it from Amazon to my Kindle Here just $9.99. This is also another data point that should make one suspicious about the concept of deep time. LINK

KevinB Posts: 525 Joined: April 2013 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2018,16:12    Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 07 2018,10:40) Quote (CeilingCat @ Oct. 07 2018,07:29) To quote the prophet Gomer (Pyle), "Surprise, surprise!" Granville Sewell has written a post and comments are enabled! Disappointmentally, It doesn't seem to help.  Its the 'same ol', same ol'.   Basically, he can't see how the four fundamental fources of physics can produce iPhones, therefore Jesus, but at least someone who gives a damn can ask questions now. From Barren Planet to Jesus in Four Easy Pieces (approximately) Edited to add punctuation. Speaking of punctuation, do you think BS77's dysfunctional relationship with the comma is a result of childhood trauma, or something else?  :D  :)  :p Perhaps someone has accused him of being anal-retentive, so he's trying to avoid colons.

sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 09 2018,05:38    Quote (CeilingCat @ Oct. 07 2018,06:29) To quote the prophet Gomer (Pyle), "Surprise, surprise!" Granville Sewell has written a post and comments are enabled! Disappointmentally, It doesn't seem to help.  Its the 'same ol', same ol'.   Basically, he can't see how the four fundamental fources of physics can produce iPhones, therefore Jesus, but at least someone who gives a damn can ask questions now. From Barren Planet to Jesus in Four Easy Pieces (approximately) Edited to add punctuation. Obviously skipping a single word from its title in 1977 didn't change much for the Amercian Spectator: Quote About Us The American Spectator was founded in 1924  by George Nathan and Truman Newberry over a cheap domestic ale in McSorley’s Old Ale House. In 1967, the Saturday Evening Club took it over, rechristening it The Alternative: An American Spectator, but by November 1977 the word “alternative” had acquired such an esoteric fragrance that in order to discourage unsolicited manuscripts from florists, beauticians, and other creative types, the club reverted to the magazine’s original name. -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 09 2018,16:48    If this doesn't scare you ...  from vjtorley at The Skeptical Zone.     Quote WARNING: This will be a very lengthy review, which few people will have time to read in its entirety. For readers whose time is very limited, here’s a brief, 5,000-word executive summary ... Executive summary: the Bible is full of it when it talks about the resurrection. Book demolishes the resurrection. Vjtorley is slowly turning into an athiest before our eyes.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 09 2018,16:53    Quote (CeilingCat @ Oct. 09 2018,17:48) If this doesn't scare you ...  from vjtorley at The Skeptical Zone.     Quote WARNING: This will be a very lengthy review, which few people will have time to read in its entirety. For readers whose time is very limited, here’s a brief, 5,000-word executive summary ... Executive summary: the Bible is full of it when it talks about the resurrection. Book demolishes the resurrection. Vjtorley is slowly turning into an athiest before our eyes. Brief is a relative term. When BatShit77 hits 5,000 words, his Ctrl-V finger isn't even sore yet.

Texas Teach Posts: 2084 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 09 2018,18:29    Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 09 2018,16:53) Quote (CeilingCat @ Oct. 09 2018,17:48) If this doesn't scare you ...  from vjtorley at The Skeptical Zone.       Quote WARNING: This will be a very lengthy review, which few people will have time to read in its entirety. For readers whose time is very limited, here’s a brief, 5,000-word executive summary ... Executive summary: the Bible is full of it when it talks about the resurrection. Book demolishes the resurrection. Vjtorley is slowly turning into an athiest before our eyes. Brief is a relative term. When BatShit77 hits 5,000 words, his Ctrl-V finger isn't even sore yet.  :D  :p  :p His ctrl-V finger is probably more heavily muscled than my thighs. -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr "I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 09 2018,20:02    Batshitcrazy77 <blockquote>BA77 So you really want to try the ‘argument from authority” on me?</blockquote> Irony is strong with this one, my young apprentice.

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 09 2018,22:31    Stevestory:     Quote Brief is a relative term. When BatShit77 hits 5,000 words, his Ctrl-V finger isn't even sore yet. Fear not, there's plenty to go around.  Here's the Table of Contents: MAIN MENU A. MY OWN COMMENTS ON MICHAEL ALTER’S BOOK (8,000 words) B. SUMMARY OF KEY FINDINGS (5,500 words) 1. A somewhat expanded version of the Executive Summary C. PART ONE: JESUS’ TRIAL, DEATH, CRUCIFIXION AND BURIAL (14,000 words) D. . PART TWO: THE RESURRECTION NARRATIVES (11,000 words)  E. CASE STUDIES (10,000 words) F. HOW THE GOSPEL NARRATIVES EVOLVED OVER TIME (2,500 words) By the time you're done, it will be Spring and your fancy will have turned to more interesting subjects. Michael Alter Demolishes the Resurrection

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 09 2018,22:47    Quote For me, reading Alter’s book was the intellectual equivalent of a “Dambusters” bombgoing off in my head: the case it made was so strong that it shattered my psychological defenses and forced me to revise my own theological views. Prior to reading the book, I was quite happy to take up cudgels in defense of the historical accuracy of the Bible. After reading the book, I am now far more skeptical of the Bible’s historical reliability than I was previously, and I no longer hold rigidly to any doctrine of Biblical inerrancy. Instead, my predominant feeling now is one of utter detachment: “Let the chips fall where they may.” I think Vincent is going thru some changes.  I never thought he was UD material, although hearing him talk about Saint Cupertino, the Flying Saint, gave me pause.  No doubt Batshit thinks the Devil is taking him over.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2018,13:24    Quote (CeilingCat @ Oct. 09 2018,23:31) Stevestory:     Quote Brief is a relative term. When BatShit77 hits 5,000 words, his Ctrl-V finger isn't even sore yet. Fear not, there's plenty to go around.  Here's the Table of Contents: MAIN MENU A. MY OWN COMMENTS ON MICHAEL ALTER’S BOOK (8,000 words) B. SUMMARY OF KEY FINDINGS (5,500 words) 1. A somewhat expanded version of the Executive Summary C. PART ONE: JESUS’ TRIAL, DEATH, CRUCIFIXION AND BURIAL (14,000 words) D. . PART TWO: THE RESURRECTION NARRATIVES (11,000 words)  E. CASE STUDIES (10,000 words) F. HOW THE GOSPEL NARRATIVES EVOLVED OVER TIME (2,500 words) By the time you're done, it will be Spring and your fancy will have turned to more interesting subjects. Michael Alter Demolishes the Resurrection Holy shit you weren't kidding. Literally 50,000 words. I wonder if anyone, ever, will actually read them.

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2018,17:12    Wouldn't 50 pictures be shorter?

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2018,19:09    Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 10 2018,17:12) Wouldn't 50 pictures be shorter? 50 shades of grey?

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2018,20:22    I've heard that a picture is worth a thousand words.

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