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Texas Teach



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2018,20:41   

Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 10 2018,20:22)
I've heard that a picture is worth a thousand words.

What’s the exchange rate on one of BA77s YouTube links?

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2018,21:53   

Quote (Texas Teach @ Oct. 10 2018,19:41)
Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 10 2018,20:22)
I've heard that a picture is worth a thousand words.

What’s the exchange rate on one of BA77s YouTube links?

Not even zero?

  
k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 11 2018,07:04   

Quote (CeilingCat @ Oct. 10 2018,06:47)
   
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For me, reading Alter’s book was the intellectual equivalent of a “Dambusters” bombgoing off in my head: the case it made was so strong that it shattered my psychological defenses and forced me to revise my own theological views. Prior to reading the book, I was quite happy to take up cudgels in defense of the historical accuracy of the Bible. After reading the book, I am now far more skeptical of the Bible’s historical reliability than I was previously, and I no longer hold rigidly to any doctrine of Biblical inerrancy. Instead, my predominant feeling now is one of utter detachment: “Let the chips fall where they may.”

I think Vincent is going thru some changes.  I never thought he was UD material, although hearing him talk about Saint Cupertino, the Flying Saint, gave me pause.  No doubt Batshit thinks the Devil is taking him over.



Is he still teaching in Japan? Maybe he's going through manga pause.




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Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 11 2018,20:27   

Batshitcrazy77
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In other words, the very fact that Atheists demand to be treated fairly is in and of itself proof that their atheistic worldview is utterly false
.

R J Sawyer

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I will respond to this claim with the effort and thought it deserves.

Ouch! That has to hurt.

  
Ptaylor



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2018,02:39   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 12 2018,13:27)
Batshitcrazy77
   
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In other words, the very fact that Atheists demand to be treated fairly is in and of itself proof that their atheistic worldview is utterly false
.

R J Sawyer

   
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I will respond to this claim with the effort and thought it deserves.

Ouch! That has to hurt.

Nah, with BA's senses of humour, irony and self awareness it won't have even registered. He is probably still sitting and waiting for a long and considered reply.

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Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2018,04:27   

Quote (Ptaylor @ Oct. 12 2018,02:39)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 12 2018,13:27)
Batshitcrazy77
     
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In other words, the very fact that Atheists demand to be treated fairly is in and of itself proof that their atheistic worldview is utterly false
.

R J Sawyer

     
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I will respond to this claim with the effort and thought it deserves.

Ouch! That has to hurt.

Nah, with BA's senses of humour, irony and self awareness it won't have even registered. He is probably still sitting and waiting for a long and considered reply.

Eventually he'll realise what happened to him, and try to use the same trick.

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Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2018,08:22   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Oct. 12 2018,04:27)
Quote (Ptaylor @ Oct. 12 2018,02:39)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 12 2018,13:27)
Batshitcrazy77
     
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In other words, the very fact that Atheists demand to be treated fairly is in and of itself proof that their atheistic worldview is utterly false
.

R J Sawyer

     
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I will respond to this claim with the effort and thought it deserves.

Ouch! That has to hurt.

Nah, with BA's senses of humour, irony and self awareness it won't have even registered. He is probably still sitting and waiting for a long and considered reply.

Eventually he'll realise what happened to him, and try to use the same trick.

Or request to have RJ banned.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2018,11:58   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 11 2018,21:27)
Batshitcrazy77
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In other words, the very fact that Atheists demand to be treated fairly is in and of itself proof that their atheistic worldview is utterly false
.

That's one of the fucking dumbest things I've ever read.

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2018,12:35   

JVL is my new favorite commenter at UD.

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2018,14:07   

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R J SawyerOctober 12, 2018 at 11:29 am
JVL, interesting discussion. I have also wondered why ID has not followed up on investigating the obvious questions that arise from the assertion that an intelligent agent is the best explanation of biological complexity. Things like:
What mechanisms were used to create the design?
What mechanisms were used to implement the design?
What limitations and constraints are there to the design?
When did the design occur?
Is design an ongoing thing?
Given the fact of mutation, will mutations accumulate to the point where life will cease to exist?


Careful RJ. Them's fightin words. :D  :D  :D

I'm sure RJ knows that ID doesn't make progress because it's pseudoscience. Astrology doesn't make progress. Water Dowsing doesn't make progress. Creationism, either in it's honest form, or it's dishonest ID form, is pseudoscience.

   
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2018,14:21   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 12 2018,12:35)
JVL is my new favorite commenter at UD.

Any time I start enjoying a commenter he/she gets hit with the ban hammer.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2018,14:37   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 12 2018,15:21)
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 12 2018,12:35)
JVL is my new favorite commenter at UD.

Any time I start enjoying a commenter he/she gets hit with the ban hammer.

Has this happened to JVL yet?

   
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2018,15:42   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 12 2018,14:37)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 12 2018,15:21)
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 12 2018,12:35)
JVL is my new favorite commenter at UD.

Any time I start enjoying a commenter he/she gets hit with the ban hammer.

Has this happened to JVL yet?

I don’t think so.

  
Lethean



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2018,15:55   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 12 2018,15:42)
 
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 12 2018,14:37)
 
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 12 2018,15:21)
   
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 12 2018,12:35)
JVL is my new favorite commenter at UD.

Any time I start enjoying a commenter he/she gets hit with the ban hammer.

Has this happened to JVL yet?

I don’t think so.





Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 12 2018,08:22)
 
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Batshitcrazy77
         
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In other words, the very fact that Atheists demand to be treated fairly is in and of itself proof that their atheistic worldview is utterly false
.

R J Sawyer

         
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I will respond to this claim with the effort and thought it deserves.

Ouch! That has to hurt.

Nah, with BA's senses of humour, irony and self awareness it won't have even registered. He is probably still sitting and waiting for a long and considered reply.

Eventually he'll realise what happened to him, and try to use the same trick.

Or request to have RJ banned.




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CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 13 2018,01:12   

Just when you think UD has a corner on ignorance, you go to The Skeptical Zone and see this:    
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J-Mac

October 12, 2018 at 11:28 pm 

I totally forgot to give credit to nonlin.org for this comment. He is right on the money…

” Why does it matter? Because as far as I can tell, there’s nothing “entirely random” out there. Take a 6 face die. Can you get 7, 8, 9? NO. Try for yourself: can you think of anything that is entirely random? NO.”

Congrats nonlin! This was my point all along…

Right on the (Monopoly) money.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 13 2018,08:56   

Quote (CeilingCat @ Oct. 13 2018,02:12)
Just when you think UD has a corner on ignorance, you go to The Skeptical Zone and see this:    
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J-Mac

October 12, 2018 at 11:28 pm 

I totally forgot to give credit to nonlin.org for this comment. He is right on the money…

” Why does it matter? Because as far as I can tell, there’s nothing “entirely random” out there. Take a 6 face die. Can you get 7, 8, 9? NO. Try for yourself: can you think of anything that is entirely random? NO.”

Congrats nonlin! This was my point all along…

Right on the (Monopoly) money.

Some people don't math good.  :p  :D  :)

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 13 2018,09:18   

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R J SawyerOctober 12, 2018 at 2:58 pm
JVL
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I have a lot of respect for Dr Behe

As do I. I also have a lot of respect for many people who comment here, even though I disagree with them. Gpuccio, HeKs, Torley, OldAndrew and the like are a pleasure to converse with. I would enjoy to sit down for a drink with any of them. There are a few, however, on both sides of the fence, who simply are incapable of disagreeing without making it personal.


I see a couple people missing  :D  :D  :D

linky

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 13 2018,09:41   

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ID-related posts deleted from friendly Facebook pages as spam
October 13, 2018 Posted by News under Culture, Intelligent Design, Media


What? Facebook silently banned posts from some people? UD is so right to be offended! They haven't done that themselves in days!

   
Seversky



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2018,05:43   

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2018,12:05   

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BA77

Yet you ARE being dishonest towards the evidence. It is not ‘maybe’ you are being dishonest towards the evidence. It is a fact that you are being dishonest. PERIOD! Others may not put it so bluntly, unfortunately, I am not so refined in social graces as them and I call em as I see em. Nor I am here to sooth your feelings about being so blatantly wrong. I am here to show unbiased readers how intellectually dishonest Darwinists can be and are when it comes to the science at hand, so as to more clearly show them that Darwinian evolution is a false worldview.


I understand that you are absolutely convinced that you are right and that everyone who disagrees with you must be a fool or a knave. I too am convinced that I am right but I’m doing my best not to cast aspersions on your or your thought processes. I think I have a fairly good idea of why you feel ID is the correct model which is why I’m here asking and answering questions. But I think we really don’t have much more to say to each other.

gpuccio

Thank you very much for your lengthy and respectful responses. I have read through both and need to take some time to formulate my response. I’m sure you can guess what’s happening: I find myself disagreeing but I want to examine my thoughts and make sure I am not just reacting out of some kind of unfounded belief and I don’t want to address a straw-man version of what you’ve said.

The one thing I will say is that you seem to just assume we have never seen complex functional information arise from unconscious sources when that is the whole issue in question. So, are you already assuming your conclusion? I realise that you have given some reasons for that premise and I think what I need to do is to address those reasons as you’ve stated them.


Linky

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2018,13:44   

Batshit follows up with a reply which melts every Hypocrisy Meter for a cubic parsec

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bornagain77  October 14, 2018 at 7:22 am

In science you cannot simply disagree with the evidence. In empirical science you are compelled to counter the evidence with other evidence.. You have not presented any evidence but have simply disagreed with the evidence.


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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2018,13:45   

BA77
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Yet you ARE being dishonest towards the evidence. It is not ‘maybe’ you are being dishonest towards the evidence. It is a fact that you are being dishonest. PERIOD! Others may not put it so bluntly, unfortunately, I am not so refined in social graces as them and I call em as I see em. Nor I am here to sooth your feelings about being so blatantly wrong. I am here to show unbiased readers how intellectually dishonest Darwinists can be and are when it comes to the science at hand, so as to more clearly show them that Darwinian evolution is a false worldview.

You missed    
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In other words, the very fact that Atheists demand to be treated fairly is in and of itself proof that their atheistic worldview is utterly false

in the same thread.

Edited to add:  Oops, I thought that looked familiar.  Sorry.

Edited by CeilingCat on Oct. 14 2018,18:53

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2018,13:46   

Quote (Texas Teach @ Oct. 10 2018,20:41)
 
Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 10 2018,20:22)
I've heard that a picture is worth a thousand words.

What’s the exchange rate on one of BA77s YouTube links?

Fifteen I.Q. points.

  
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2018,23:20   

Peter
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Men are smarter than women in sciences. The Greater Male Variability hypotheses explains the fact that at the highest levels of IQ men vastly outnumber women.

No comment required.

  
Ptaylor



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2018,02:58   

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Peter    
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Men are smarter than women in sciences. The Greater Male Variability hypotheses explains the fact that at the highest levels of IQ men vastly outnumber women.

No comment required.

(Commenting anyway)
Peter (I’m guessing it’s the same one) has some, er, questionable opinions on race too. REC quoted him on this very thread, which was picked up and added to by - Acartia Bogart! Choice bits from each:
 
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"I guess ever race is important except the White race. I wonder if you would have the same opinion if it were Blacks or Hispanics going extinct."

"Yes, I realize that taking the vote away from White women will never happen. Once a people gives women equality it is game over for them."

"You may be glad that women will not loose the right to vote. But your relief is only short lived. Once the whites have gone extinct and are replaced by the Arabic race women will have far less rights.”

 
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As you don’t care if your race goes extinct then I guess that you are comfortable with women voting. My personal opinion is that feminism destroys societies. It caused the collapse of the Roman empire. I want my race to survive.

Link to the AB follow-up.

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Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2018,09:00   

Understatement of the year from Batshitcrazy77:
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Moreover, I typically ‘respond (at great length)’,, period. That is my habit.


Link

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2018,09:46   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 15 2018,08:00)
Understatement of the year from Batshitcrazy77:
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Moreover, I typically ‘respond (at great length)’,, period. That is my habit.


Link

And "TLDR" was invented in response to that?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2018,13:40   

Quote (Ptaylor @ Oct. 15 2018,00:58)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 15 2018,16:20)
Peter    
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Men are smarter than women in sciences. The Greater Male Variability hypotheses explains the fact that at the highest levels of IQ men vastly outnumber women.

No comment required.

(Commenting anyway)
Peter (I’m guessing it’s the same one) has some, er, questionable opinions on race too. REC quoted him on this very thread, which was picked up and added to by - Acartia Bogart! Choice bits from each:
 
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"I guess ever race is important except the White race. I wonder if you would have the same opinion if it were Blacks or Hispanics going extinct."

"Yes, I realize that taking the vote away from White women will never happen. Once a people gives women equality it is game over for them."

"You may be glad that women will not loose the right to vote. But your relief is only short lived. Once the whites have gone extinct and are replaced by the Arabic race women will have far less rights.”

 
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As you don’t care if your race goes extinct then I guess that you are comfortable with women voting. My personal opinion is that feminism destroys societies. It caused the collapse of the Roman empire. I want my race to survive.

Link to the AB follow-up.

Form and content smack of Byers.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2018,04:09   

It must be Saturday here. Barry had a bit of a meltdown last night:
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God help us. Bob, the video is not where she makes the claim. I linked to that earlier in the post. Read the post again. Follow the links provided.

The video is not her claim. It is her effort at damage control after having been caught in the lie. Instead of apologizing, she tries to defend it but only makes it worse.

Bob, try reading for comprehension before you reflexively spew leftist talking points. It probably won’t keep you from spewing leftist talking points, but at least you won’t sound utterly clueless.

Bob, no rational person can defend Warren. That you attempt to do so speaks volumes.
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I call BS on you Bob. She did not claim to have a distant practically negligible Native American heritage. She claimed she was an Indian Bob. Get over it.

The report does not back up what she said for the reasons explained in the post. With each passing comment you descend further into hyper-partisan irrational defense mode Bob. Stop it. It is painful to watch.
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No one is saying that Dave. The point of JAD’s statement is obvious. I am surprised you are unable to grasp it. Allow me to unpack it for you.

By definition, moral subectivists assert that “good” means nothing other than “that which I prefer.” Surely a moral subjetivist would not attempt to convince someone that his preference for, say, chocolate ice cream is superior to their preference for vanilla. JAD is saying that a moral subjectivist’s opinion on a race issue is — according to their own first principles — fundamentally no different from their taste in ice cream. So, to the extent their first principles are true, their opinions on the race issue are irrelevant to everyone but themselves.

Of course, no sane person actually acts as if subjective morality is true. Thus, your comment.


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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 17 2018,08:59   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Oct. 17 2018,12:09)
It must be Saturday here. Barry had a bit of a meltdown last night:
 
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God help us. Bob, the video is not where she makes the claim. I linked to that earlier in the post. Read the post again. Follow the links provided.

The video is not her claim. It is her effort at damage control after having been caught in the lie. Instead of apologizing, she tries to defend it but only makes it worse.

Bob, try reading for comprehension before you reflexively spew leftist talking points. It probably won’t keep you from spewing leftist talking points, but at least you won’t sound utterly clueless.

Bob, no rational person can defend Warren. That you attempt to do so speaks volumes.
 
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I call BS on you Bob. She did not claim to have a distant practically negligible Native American heritage. She claimed she was an Indian Bob. Get over it.

The report does not back up what she said for the reasons explained in the post. With each passing comment you descend further into hyper-partisan irrational defense mode Bob. Stop it. It is painful to watch.
 
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No one is saying that Dave. The point of JAD’s statement is obvious. I am surprised you are unable to grasp it. Allow me to unpack it for you.

By definition, moral subectivists assert that “good” means nothing other than “that which I prefer.” Surely a moral subjetivist would not attempt to convince someone that his preference for, say, chocolate ice cream is superior to their preference for vanilla. JAD is saying that a moral subjectivist’s opinion on a race issue is — according to their own first principles — fundamentally no different from their taste in ice cream. So, to the extent their first principles are true, their opinions on the race issue are irrelevant to everyone but themselves.

Of course, no sane person actually acts as if subjective morality is true. Thus, your comment.

Barry Ambulance Chaser is an Indian giving apologist for not pologies.

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