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Freddie Posts: 371 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2013,16:30    Quote (Bob O'H @ Dec. 04 2013,15:20) Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 04 2013,12:37) Quote (REC @ Dec. 04 2013,11:54)       Quote Alan Fox December 4, 2013 at 11:15 am [snip] UD Editors: Alan apologized but then added a smart-assed comment that made the apology clearly insincere. He will remain in moderation. I wasn't following this thread. Was there a demand to apologize to Barry because Alan asked for the context of a mined quote? Yep.  Bully got caught using some bog standard Creationist quote-mined quotes. Alan called him on it.  Alan is now in permanent moderation. Big brave Bully Arrington.  Censorship and banning is all he knows. Has anyone found the full quote yet? I don't have the book, but googling around shows that BarryA got the title of the book wrong: it should be The Myths of Human Evolution. Oddly, an s disappeared in Barry's version. Niles Edredge Out Of Context -------------- Joe: Most criticisims of ID stem from ignorance and jealousy. Joe: As for the authors of the books in the Bible, well the OT was authored by Moses and the NT was authored by various people. Byers: The eskimo would not need hairy hair growth as hair, I say, is for keeping people dry. Not warm.

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2013,18:05    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 04 2013,17:09) Notice that Bully is twisting and lying about the episode now that Alan can't respond.   So, Arrington is a lying liar who lies. Shocking. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Texas Teach Posts: 2084 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2013,20:41    Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 04 2013,18:05) Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 04 2013,17:09) Notice that Bully is twisting and lying about the episode now that Alan can't respond.   So, Arrington is a lying liar who lies. Shocking. Even more shocking:  He was put in charge of a website designed to give lying liars a place to lie about a movement created by lying liars in order to lie to judges. -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr "I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2013,21:04    Quote (Texas Teach @ Dec. 04 2013,20:41) Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 04 2013,18:05)   Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 04 2013,17:09) Notice that Bully is twisting and lying about the episode now that Alan can't respond.   So, Arrington is a lying liar who lies. Shocking. Even more shocking:  He was put in charge of a website designed to give lying liars a place to lie about a movement created by lying liars in order to lie to judges. Uncommonly Dense truly is the gift that keeps on giving. In the last few months at least five of the Dense regulars - Gordon E. Mullings of Manjack Heights Montserrat, William J. Murray, PaV, Sal Cordova, and Bully Arrington all tried their hand posting at an uncensored The Skeptical Zone.  They each in turn got their asses handed to them then skulked back to UD where they could hide from knowledgeable critics.  Several of them, notably Bully Arrington and now Sal "the human shit stain" Cordova made posts at UD lying about their words and actions at TSZ. I honestly don't know whether to despise or pity them.  They probably deserve both. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2013,21:20    ...meanwhile Bully Arrington is still lying his ass off and trying to spin his quote-mining job. Nick Matzke is continuing to hammer him for it. Countdown to Nick's bannination.  5...4...3... -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

DiEb Posts: 312 Joined: May 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2013,07:16    For a couple of months I roamed free at Uncommon Descent, but my last comment put me back into the dreaded queue:   Quote DiEb December 5, 2013 at 7:13 am Your comment is awaiting moderation. @Barry Arrington   Quote Eldredge and I mean exactly the same thing — and nothing more. To illuminate this point, could you please answer my questions (third time is a charme..):   Quote Which texts or books of Niles Eldredge have you read? Have you read “The Myths of Human Evolution” (or at least some chapters) and spotted the quote – or did you get the quotation from a secondary source? B. Arrington overwrote this comment with Quote [snip] UD Editors: This was not an apology for falsely accusing Barry Arrington of quote mining DiEb. Which part of “you will remain in mod until you apologize for your false accusation” do you not understand? Here is my answer: Quote @Barry Arrington, as a lawyer you have certainly spotted that I havn't yet accused you of quote-mining. I just made the observation that if N. Matzke's interpretation of the scope of the argument is true, that then you are indeed quote-mining. As for my questions: Quote Which texts or books of Niles Eldredge have you read? Have you read “The Myths of Human Evolution” (or at least some chapters) and spotted the quote – or did you get the quotation from a secondary source? Your evasion shows me, that you are indeed a politician, too. May I assume that you have read nothing written by Niles Eldredge but a few quotes? To substantiate this suspicion, just erase my edit. Edited by DiEb on Dec. 05 2013,13:54

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2013,08:13    Bully Arrington continues to modify posts and ban people for pointing out his dishonest quote-mining.  The pompous ass is giving us a whole week's worth of Friday meltdown.   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2013,09:15    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 05 2013,08:13) Bully Arrington continues to modify posts and ban people for pointing out his dishonest quote-mining.  The pompous ass is giving us a whole week's worth of Friday meltdown.  :D it's always Friday at UD -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2013,09:28    For the record, this is the statement Bully originally made, the one for which he offered the Eldridge quote (and the other quote mined hack jobs) as support for his attacks on ToE: (bolding mine)     Quote Bully Arrington: "No matter how red-faced you get, no matter how many “Bams!” you interject into your polemics, the fact remains that if Darwin were correct transitional species would predominate in the fossil record. They do not. Darwin understood this and admitted it in Origin, and he suggested that the problem would be solved as the fossil record was studied more extensively. 154 years later, it has not been solved. Transitional species do not predominate the fossil record." link Of course the problem has been solved.   The fossil record contains instances of both gradual change and of punk eek.  There are also hundreds of well documented transitional fossil sequences. As always, the IDiots don't care about getting the science right.  They only care about Winning For Jebus. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2013,10:22    Does anyone think that ID is scientifically competitive? Or that UD isn't propaganda? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4991 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2013,10:45    Arrington bases his intransigence on a very specific claim of his. Quote “Change in the manner Darwin expected is just not found in the fossil record.” I think it is possible to show that the expectation Darwin had for finding transitional fossils comports well with the actual situation. In fact, I have shown that. One can dispute the exact numeric values I applied, but each of the items enumerated is a constraining factor Darwin himself identified, and would restrict the expectation of finding transitional fossils to some fractional part of the whole. Darwin explicitly stated that these factors must be taken "conjointly". While the specific numbers could be changed, I submit that they couldn't be changed so drastically that one could derive an expectation anywhere near as large as might be needed to say that Darwin's views were out of line with the actuality of the fossil record. I think that many of the quoted people had accepted a view of what Darwin expected that isn't actually reflective of what Darwin wrote. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2013,11:31    Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 05 2013,11:22) Does anyone think that ID is scientifically competitive? Let me check the ID research journal, PCID. Hmmm. seems to be offline. I can only conclude it's crashing because it's as popular as healthcare.gov is, and overwhelmed, and therefore ID is wildly successful.

REC Posts: 638 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2013,11:56    vjtorley's post titled: "Professor Coyne’s newfangled naturalism" quotes Kelvin from 1871, and Joule from 1864. Nothing newer on first glance, but it is vjtorley, so tldr. Is he some sort of immortal? A vampire? Newfangled? eta: Noticed Barry is on the creationist kick of proving something, anything Darwin said is wrong. Do they just need to set these debates in a time when there was still a debate among reasonable people? Edited by REC on Dec. 05 2013,12:01

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2013,12:05    Quote (REC @ Dec. 05 2013,12:56) vjtorley's post titled: "Professor Coyne’s newfangled naturalism" quotes Kelvin from 1871, and Joule from 1864. Nothing newer on first glance, but it is vjtorley, so tldr. Is he some sort of immortal? A vampire? Newfangled? eta: Noticed Barry is on the creationist kick of proving something, anything Darwin said is wrong. Do they just need to set these debates in a time when there was still a debate among reasonable people? Dude, that was only 2,323 words. For vjtorley that's barely a postcard.

REC Posts: 638 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2013,12:37    Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 05 2013,12:05) Quote (REC @ Dec. 05 2013,12:56) vjtorley's post titled: "Professor Coyne’s newfangled naturalism" quotes Kelvin from 1871, and Joule from 1864. Nothing newer on first glance, but it is vjtorley, so tldr. Is he some sort of immortal? A vampire? Newfangled? eta: Noticed Barry is on the creationist kick of proving something, anything Darwin said is wrong. Do they just need to set these debates in a time when there was still a debate among reasonable people? Dude, that was only 2,323 words. For vjtorley that's barely a postcard. This is true. It is also true that I wouldn't anything but skim anything written by vjtorley, no matter what the length. He's got little more to offer than BA77--more articulate, longer winded--but really just mass spamination of irrelevant crap with little point to be made.

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2013,12:50    Quote I think that many of the quoted people had accepted a view of what Darwin expected that isn't actually reflective of what Darwin wrote. Darwinian understatement alert. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

steve_h Posts: 544 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2013,14:42    Barry quotes Mark Ridley, “Who Doubts Evolution?” New Scientist 90 (June 25, 1981): 830-1, 830-32 (emphasis Bully).   Quote Some paleontologists maintain that animals have evolved gradually, through an infinity of intermediate stages from one form to another. Others point out that the fossil record offers no firm evidence for such gradual change. What really happened, they suggest, is that any one animal species in the past survived more or less unchanged for a time, and then either died out or evolved rapidly into a new descendant form (or forms). Thus, instead of gradual change, they posit the idea of ‘punctuated equilibrium.” The argument is about the actual historical pattern of evolution; but outsiders, seeing a controversy unfolding, have imagined that it is about the truth of evolution – whether evolution occurred at all. This is a terrible mistake; and it springs, I believe, from the false idea that the fossil record provides an important part of the evidence that evolution took place. In fact, evolution is proven by a totally separate set of arguments – and the present debate within paleontology does not impinge at all on the evidence that supports evolution . . . In any case, no real evolutionist, whether gradualist or punctuationist, uses the fossil record as evidence in favour of the theory of evolution as opposed to special creation. Quote Mine 49 at the TO quote mine project  and #3 at the RationalWiki popular quote mine page It's almost as if Bully is reusing old quote mines just to trick people into getting banned.

sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2013,15:19    Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 05 2013,12:05) Quote (REC @ Dec. 05 2013,12:56) vjtorley's post titled: "Professor Coyne’s newfangled naturalism" quotes Kelvin from 1871, and Joule from 1864. Nothing newer on first glance, but it is vjtorley, so tldr. Is he some sort of immortal? A vampire? Newfangled? eta: Noticed Barry is on the creationist kick of proving something, anything Darwin said is wrong. Do they just need to set these debates in a time when there was still a debate among reasonable people? Dude, that was only 2,323 words. For vjtorley that's barely a postcard. This is nothing compared to the 407 pages Germany's own ID-creationist Wolf-Ekkehard Lönnig felt the need to write about the question if dog races are proof that man descended from bacteria. Knowing Lönnig I assume his answer is no. I just wonder if he really thinks somebody will read his stuff. Ilike the pictures, though. -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2013,16:01    Bunch of hits from UD today.  Somehow the UD post about oldest human DNA has been turned into a "does Smilodon's Retreat know what he's talking about when he says that ID proponents must be able to distinguish between designed and non-designed things". TSErik appears to be saying that randomness doesn't exist at all Quote (1) The program at “random.org” was designed to place random pieces of information together at the behest of the user. A programed mechanism that can enumerate and organize data. (2) This “challenge” begs the question as it is assuming there CAN be a randomly assembled string, and once said string is assembled, should design be true, one could tell the difference. And tjguy seems to be unable to understand the concept of a quotation. This is hilarious. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2013,16:13    LOL!  Bully Arrington's thin skin is showing again.  Apparently he's really been stung by the ATBC regulars laughing at his lies and stupidity.  He's put up yet another thread at UD on "no transitional fossils", this time attacking Dr. Elsberry's comments here. Poor bloated gasbag Arrington.  Must make him feel really good that GEM and Batshit77 have his back.     -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

REC Posts: 638 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2013,16:38    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 05 2013,16:13) LOL!  Bully Arrington's thin skin is showing again.  Apparently he's really been stung by the ATBC regulars laughing at his lies and stupidity.  He's put up yet another thread at UD on "no transitional fossils", this time attacking Dr. Elsberry's comments here. Poor bloated gasbag Arrington.  Must make him feel really good that GEM and Batshit77 have his back. :D  :D  :D Barry's weakness is that he loses sight of the argument he is trying to make when he decides to attack people. As a bully, he can't resist (Hi Sal--saw you sacrificed integrity for a non-ban), but: Quote ...Elsberry has solved an enigma that has puzzled Darwinists all the way back to Darwin himself. In Origin of Species Darwin admitted that the fossil record did not support his theory. ...Betrays his cause. If he is quoting Eldredge and Tattersall (see you now got the title right now Barry, no hat tip?) to suggest that they believe that there remains an unsolved enigma in the fossil record that warrants a Nobel prize for solving...well, Barry, that is a damn lie. Edited by REC on Dec. 05 2013,16:58

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2013,20:32    "Lie" implies tha Barry is smart enough to understand he is wrong. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Woodbine Posts: 1218 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2013,12:03    Quote (midwifetoad @ Dec. 06 2013,02:32) "Lie" implies tha Barry is smart enough to understand he is wrong. Let alone spell it.

REC Posts: 638 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2013,15:02    Aaaand we're back. Barry's bravado is something. Considering he clearly hasn't read, and likely doesn't own a copy of Myths...he's trusting that quote quite dearly. Let's let him pay out a bit more rope to hang himself with. I'll check the library. Bettings odds on: Quote Darwin’s prediction of rampant, albeit gradual, change affecting all lineages through time is refuted. The record is there, and the record speaks for tremendous anatomical conservatism. Change in the manner Darwin expected is just not found in the fossil record. Niles Eldredge and Ian Tattersall, The Myths of Human Evolution (New York: Columbia University Press, 1982), 45-46. Being accurately represented? Edited by REC on Dec. 07 2013,15:03

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2013,15:53    Bully the arrogant blowhard didn't only hang himself, he trussed himself up with bow ribbons too. His latest blunder is starting yet another thread where in order to defend his previous quote-mine job he produces...yet another mined quote! Here is the quote from Bully's post.     Quote Bully Arrington:     Darwin himself, . . . prophesied that future generations of paleontologists would fill in these gaps by diligent search . . . One hundred and twenty years of paleontological research later, it has become abundantly clear that the fossil record will not confirm this part of Darwin’s predictions. Nor is the problem a miserably poor record. The fossil record simply shows that this prediction is wrong Niles Eldredge and Ian Tattersall, The Myths of Human Evolution (New York: Columbia University Press, 1982), 45-46 Notice all the ellipses?  The quote is #37 on the TalkOrigin Quote Mine Project!   To the surprise of none it turns out Bully has never read Eldredge.  Bully apparently got the original quote-mined quote from another poster as he describes in UD here.  Note the same misspelling of Myths as Myth, singular, the same as in Bully's original OP.  Bully just C&Ped the bullshit and now is flailing wildly to try and save face. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

REC Posts: 638 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2013,16:18    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 07 2013,15:53) Bully the arrogant blowhard didn't only hang himself, he trussed himself up with bow ribbons too. His latest blunder is starting yet another thread where in order to defend his previous quote-mine job he produces...yet another mined quote! Here is the quote from Bully's post.     Quote Bully Arrington:     Darwin himself, . . . prophesied that future generations of paleontologists would fill in these gaps by diligent search . . . One hundred and twenty years of paleontological research later, it has become abundantly clear that the fossil record will not confirm this part of Darwin’s predictions. Nor is the problem a miserably poor record. The fossil record simply shows that this prediction is wrong Niles Eldredge and Ian Tattersall, The Myths of Human Evolution (New York: Columbia University Press, 1982), 45-46 Notice all the ellipses?  The quote is #37 on the TalkOrigin Quote Mine Project!   To the surprise of none it turns out Bully has never read Eldredge.  Bully apparently got the original quote-mined quote from another poster as he describes in UD here.  Note the same misspelling of Myths as Myth, singular, the same as in Bully's original OP.  Bully just C&Ped the bullshit and now is flailing wildly to try and save face. I think it is worse than that. Barry has used the same citation: Quote Niles Eldredge and Ian Tattersall, The Myths of Human Evolution (New York: Columbia University Press, 1982), 45-46 For this quote: Quote Darwin himself, . . . prophesied that future generations of paleontologists would fill in these gaps by diligent search . . . One hundred and twenty years of paleontological research later, it has become abundantly clear that the fossil record will not confirm this part of Darwin’s predictions. Nor is the problem a miserably poor record. The fossil record simply shows that this prediction is wrong UD Link AND This one: Quote Darwin’s prediction of rampant, albeit gradual, change affecting all lineages through time is refuted. The record is there, and the record speaks for tremendous anatomical conservatism. Change in the manner Darwin expected is just not found in the fossil record. UD Link You'll notice the texts are NOT the same, and the second does not in any way match the quote mine project's extensive quote of pages 45-46. Barry's not only C&P'ed crap, he's using the same exact citation (down to pages 45-46) for one badly edited, misrepresented segment of Myths... and one quote that is of unknown origin. And he's badgering people with the second quote!

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2013,17:08    LOL! It had to happen.  Bully Arrignton's gasbag ego couldn't take any more embarrassment from Dr. Matzke so..       Quote Nick, your reputation has already been sufficiently tarnished by your contemptible behavior over the last few days. Your comment that hung in mod was just more of the same, and for your own sake that is where it will remain. link The lying asshole just declares victory, hides Dr. Matzke's rebuttal so no one can see it. Great job there Asshole Arrington.  You're a shining light for ID-Creationists everywhere. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2013,17:30    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 07 2013,17:08) LOL! It had to happen.  Bully Arrignton's gasbag ego couldn't take any more embarrassment from Dr. Matzke so..         Quote Nick, your reputation has already been sufficiently tarnished by your contemptible behavior over the last few days. Your comment that hung in mod was just more of the same, and for your own sake that is where it will remain. link The lying asshole just declares victory, hides Dr. Matzke's rebuttal so no one can see it. Great job there Asshole Arrington.  You're a shining light for ID-Creationists everywhere. Whoops.  No one believes you, glorious leader barry: Best bit: Quote He believes that if you keep dissembling and distracting attention from the issue and spewing ever longer posts into the combox maybe no one will notice what a detestable boor he is. Somehow *isn't* about KirosFocus! Edited by Richardthughes on Dec. 07 2013,17:30 -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2013,17:37    Double LOL! Gasbag Arrington follows up his ban of Dr. Matzke with another "permanent moderation" ban on poster Roy who has also been calling Bully on the egregious quote-mining   Quote Self-delusion on this scale is invincible. Thus, further dialogue with you seems pointless. I invite the onlookers to go read Origin for themselves. After they have done so they can determine for themselves whether to believe “Roy” or to believe world-renowned DARWINIST scholars Niles Eldredge and Ian Tattersall linky What a spectacle.   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

DiEb Posts: 312 Joined: May 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2013,20:41    Just my  two cents at On Quote Mining  - and yes, this comment is in moderation, and probably won't appear ever.... Quote @BA: At The Sceptical Zone, you wrote: Quote You don’t engage at UD because every time you spouted your sophistry you got your ass kicked up between your shoulders. You would much rather be here in your nice safe little echo chamber with your pet lickspittles (see Mark Frank’s comment above). Your pretense that you eschew a site beneath your efforts is a convenient camouflage for your cowardice. and then, you was surprised that someone took offense. And here, at Uncommon Descent, you can't even stand being asked: Quote Just some quick questions: Which texts or books of Niles Eldredge have you read? Have you read “The Myths of Human Evolution” (or at least some chapters) and spotted the quote – or did you get the quotation from a secondary source? No, you become a "beleidigte Leberwurst", spout accusations of perfidy and idiocy, and start to block editors left right and center. It may seem to you that blocking editors - or putting them into your moderation queue for an infinite amount of time - and deleting edits means that you "kick ass" in a discussion. The "onlookers" may see this in a different way.

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