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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2006,07:18   

I live in Durham, NC. This apartment complex is about 80% black. Unless Paley lives in Compton, his area's more lilly-white than mine.

   
Stephen Elliott



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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2006,07:41   

Why are people calling Ghost a racist? So far I have not seen any evidence for that label to be aplicable.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2006,08:11   

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Why are people calling Ghost a racist? So far I have not seen any evidence for that label to be aplicable.

Past stuff he's said in old threads.

Also, he once cited some stats on black-on-white crime that came from some white supremacist site or other, which, uh, put a few people off. His defense was that as long as the study was 'valid', it doesn't matter who posted it or sponsored it.

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The Ghost of Paley



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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2006,09:27   

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Why are people calling Ghost a racist? So far I have not seen any evidence for that label to be aplicable.


Past stuff he's said in old threads.

Such as.........?
   
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Also, he once cited some stats on black-on-white crime that came from some white supremacist site or other, which, uh, put a few people off. His defense was that as long as the study was 'valid', it doesn't matter who posted it or sponsored it.

Ahhh...the Color of Crime study derived from Federal crime data. But did you remember a recent thread (the "liberal bias" thread, I think) in which I directly calculated the violent-crime ratio and came up with figures that matched Jared's? And how Russell and Faid didn't say a word, even though it involved nothing more than multiplication and division, so it was well within their mathematical domain? Slip your mind, did it? Besides, Arden, I'm confused. If we can directly check Jared Taylor's claims, then wouldn't it be better to do that instead of bitching about what a racist he is? In fact, wouldn't a blanket rejection of Jared's claims be, like, a logical fallacy? Number Nine, help me out here....
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I live in Durham, NC. This apartment complex is about 80% black. Unless Paley lives in Compton, his area's more lilly-white than mine.

But I notice that liberals who can afford to live in lily-white neighborhoods usually do. Why is this, Mr. Story?
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I think this is one of those, "I can't be a racist because I know a black person" kind of arguments.

Which, among other things, renders the "racist" charge unfalsifiable.

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The Ghost of Paley



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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2006,09:55   

By the way Arden (or anyone else), if you want to play the race ("racist"?) card, why don't you bring it to "A Modest Proposal"? I'm trying to keep this thread on topic. If you don't back up your assertion in that thread, then I will assume that you can't, and will remind you of your failure when you make similar accusations. I enjoy confronting bullies, and I want to show the lurkers how to deal with Liberal McCarthyism.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2006,11:21   

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But I notice that liberals who can afford to live in lily-white neighborhoods usually do. Why is this, Mr. Story?


Because black neighborhoods have more crime? Because liberals prefer being around other liberals, while blacks are more socially conservative? Because liberals tend to be richer than conservatives, so if you buy an expensive house it's more likely to already be situated in a richer, liberaler area? Could be any number of reasons. I'm plenty liberal, and make plenty of money, but I prefer to be at this very convenient, and very black, location w/r/t food, shopping, and work, so don't accuse me of being racist.

In any case, I'd have to see some thorough, and well-controlled, statistics to be convinced that liberals racially self-segregate more than conservatives. Simply because many of the conservatives I know are racist, and very few of the liberals I know are.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2006,11:30   

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Why are people calling Ghost a racist? So far I have not seen any evidence for that label to be aplicable.

Past stuff he's said in old threads.

Also, he once cited some stats on black-on-white crime that came from some white supremacist site or other, which, uh, put a few people off. His defense was that as long as the study was 'valid', it doesn't matter who posted it or sponsored it.

Are you certain about this? I do not want to sound like a GoP fan here as I disagree with so much he says. However you normally supply evidence when you make claims (example would be the excelent way you destroy afdave) just calling gop a racist and then hand waving is not the way you normally argue.

  
The Ghost of Paley



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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2006,11:59   

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But I notice that liberals who can afford to live in lily-white neighborhoods usually do. Why is this, Mr. Story?



Because black neighborhoods have more crime?


OK. But if liberals are allowed to recognise this fact and act on it, then why are conservatives racist for doing the very same thing? And why am I racist for making this empirical point?
     
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Because liberals prefer being around other liberals, while blacks are more socially conservative?

Notice, lurkers, that Steve concedes (contra Arden) that Blacks are ideologically closer to white Republicans on social issues. And does this mean that "culture" is not necessarily a code word for race? Because if it does, you've just undercut a major criticism of my political model: i.e that "Western" Culture = White people.
     
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Because liberals tend to be richer than conservatives, so if you buy an expensive house it's more likely to already be situated in a richer, liberaler area? Could be any number of reasons.

Ahhhh.....so there are several explanations for an individual's behavior, so no one should assume racist intentions behind a person's actions without cause. And since behavior follows thought, can we extend that generalisation to political points of view as well? In other words, if somone prefers a monocultural nation, we can assume this preference is just as nonracially motivated as a choice of neighborhood?
 
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I'm plenty liberal, and make plenty of money, but I prefer to be at this very convenient, and very black, location w/r/t food, shopping, and work, so don't accuse me of being racist.

I don't accuse you of being anything. I do accuse most liberals of hypocrisy. Most does not = all, as you know. I'm glad that you're an exception.
 
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In any case, I'd have to see some thorough, and well-controlled, statistics to be convinced that liberals racially self-segregate more than conservatives. Simply because many of the conservatives I know are racist, and very few of the liberals I know are.

No. I accuse liberals of holding conservatives to a "moral" standard (by force of law, whenever possible) that they themselves have no intentions of meeting. By the way, my experiences are the exact opposite: I find liberals, on average, much more racist than conservatives.

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Are you certain about this? I do not want to sound like a GoP fan here as I disagree with so much he says. However you normally supply evidence when you make claims (example would be the excelent way you destroy afdave) just calling gop a racist and then hand waving is not the way you normally argue.


Thanks. But you know what the funny thing is? Even if I really was the despicably racist, anti-semitic, pony-beating, child-eating swine that this board pictures me as, it wouldn't affect the truth of my claims. Why most liberals can't see this, I'll never know.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2006,12:41   

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OK. But if liberals are allowed to recognise this fact and act on it, then why are conservatives racist for doing the very same thing?
I presume the people who are calling you racist are acting on much more than a simple claim that black neighborhoods have more crime. I haven't read all your rantings, or even most of them, but several people here have called you racist, and I'll take their word for it, because they also call you things like 'idiot geocentrist', and whaddya know, you are in fact an 'idiot geocentrist'.

(Well, you claim to be. You and I both know you're just screwing around.)

   
The Ghost of Paley



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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2006,14:29   

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I presume the people who are calling you racist are acting on much more than a simple claim that black neighborhoods have more crime.

Not really. The charge of racism comes primarily from my citation of The Color of Crime, a study carried out by two white nationalists (racists, in other words). Whatever you may think of the study's authors (and I've whacked Jared Taylor on occasion meself), the study's claims remain mind-numbingly empirical, and can be readily falsified by checking the Dept. of Justice's database. In fact, I replicated at least one of their calculations in the "Liberal Bias" thread.
   In addition, my views on immigration have also churned a lot of  liberal stomachs. Are these views racist? I don't see how. My plan limits immigration to culturally compatible groups (East Indians, Jews, N.E. Asians), while barring access to groups who fit poorly with a Western lifestyle. I have never argued that biology determines cultural incompatibility, and given the evidence, I don't see how I could. Why, for example, are the Jews more Westernised, than, say, Arabs? Can't be race. Why East Indians and not Pakistanis? From a racial point of view, my plan is incoherent: but take a look at the culture and the pieces converge. The ironic thing is, I'm willing to make these decisions on a case-by-case basis, and rely strictly on the evidence. If the evidence shows that Jamaicans assimilate more readily than Russians (and they may very well, for all that I know), then I would choose the former to the latter. Objective, empirical criteria are not only welcome, but needed.
  Aye, but there's the rub -- liberals know that objective standards would lead to a de facto exclusion of certain groups, and rather than offer foreign aid to smooth cultural deficiencies (if the host nations so desire), they would rather ignore the descrepancies and waste a lot of money trying to acclimate the groups after they cross the borders, while strangling civil liberties in the process. Clearly, this is insane. Clearly, this is unnecessary. And that's why I proposed the PaleyPlan.

It's OK to think for yourself, guys......don't be intimidated! If you don't stand up for yourself now, the vice of Political Correctness will continue to tighten as reality opposes fiction. Look, as a white American man, I'm going to be loathed by much of the world regardless of my actions. So I might as well embrace reality and be hated, rather than appease and still be hated. At least I won't loathe the person staring back in the mirror.

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2006,14:49   

child-eating swine?

Can't recall anybody here labeling you such.  is this something you might actually label yourself?

are you a pig that eats youngsters?

anyway, it's fast becoming obvious that your whole reason for starting this thread had nothing to do with Coulter, and everything to do with yet another attempt by yourself at spewing your idiotic political screeds.

Didn't you get enough love growing up?

Why the desperate need for attention?

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GCT



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,00:44   

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(and I've whacked Jared Taylor on occasion meself)

Fighting the urge not to make a gay joke right now...

  
Mr_Christopher



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,07:12   

Yeah paley, you're a persecuted, white lunatic.  No story here...

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The Ghost of Paley



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,07:24   

OK, Ok, we're derailing the thread. Could we please get back to Ann Coulter's impact on the anti-evo movement? I think it's a fascinating subject, and I have to admit that the Wizard let me down. Does anyone care to speculate why Dembski/Berlinski chose this particular mouthpiece? Not only are these two men far above Coulter's level, their personalities don't even mesh with hers. I'd hate to think they bowed to commercial pressure, but Dembski in particular has been worrying me lately. I think this is a huge tactical blunder in the long run, regardless of whatever short-term publicity it might provide. Is this an overreaction to the Dover decision?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,07:27   

Anne coulter is the best thing that ever hapopend to IDC but she gives tranvestites a bad name.

Happy?

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The Ghost of Paley



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,07:35   

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Anne coulter is the best thing that ever hapopend to IDC but she gives tranvestites a bad name.

Happy?

I know this was intended as a joke, but if you do think her presence helps the cause, could you explain why? Just curious.

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Mr_Christopher



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,07:38   

People look at Anne Coulter and mistakenly think ALL transvestites are like her.  THAT is terrible for the transvestite cause.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,10:40   

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Does anyone care to speculate why Dembski/Berlinski chose this particular mouthpiece?

That's pretty obvious.  They wanted to help their own book sales.  And since that's really the heart of the ID movement, I think it's a fantastic idea.

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improvius



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,11:24   

Can you tell the difference between Ann Coulter and Adolf Hitler?

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