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supersport



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:30   

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no I actually gave you a couple reasons, did you actually read my post?

Yeah, I read it. But even upon re-reading it, I remain convinced that you gave me lots of opinions, and no reasons. Nevertheless, I'm willing to overlook it this time.

Please give me a reason why I should accept this opinion †  
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Therefore, life must have appeared instantly by way of mental processes.

Please make this some sort of positive evidence from the scientific, peer-reviewed literature, rather than negative evidence such as a criticism of evolutionary theory.

thanks

you want evidence from peer review?  That's like going to a church and demanding evidence that God doesn't exist.

  
oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:31   

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SuperSport: Do you have a reference/link for the dinosaurs with "organic material hanging off them"?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050325100541.htm

Conventional wisdom among paleontologists states that when dinosaurs died and became fossilized, soft tissues didn't preserve the bones were essentially transformed into "rocks" through a gradual replacement of all organic material by minerals. New research by a North Carolina State University paleontologist, however, could literally turn that theory inside out.


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Dr. Mary Schweitzer, assistant professor of paleontology with a joint appointment at the N.C. Museum of Natural Sciences, has succeeded in isolating soft tissue from the femur of a 68-million-year-old dinosaur. Not only is the tissue largely intact, it's still transparent and pliable, and microscopic interior structures resembling blood vessels and even cells are still present.

Very good.

Now, last question.

Do you agree or disagree with this quotation from the very article you linked to

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68-million-year-old dinosaur


Do you accept the dino is really 68 million years old?

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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if there are even critical flaws in Gaugerís work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
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supersport



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:33   

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SuperSport: Do you have a reference/link for the dinosaurs with "organic material hanging off them"?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050325100541.htm

Conventional wisdom among paleontologists states that when dinosaurs died and became fossilized, soft tissues didn't preserve the bones were essentially transformed into "rocks" through a gradual replacement of all organic material by minerals. New research by a North Carolina State University paleontologist, however, could literally turn that theory inside out.


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Dr. Mary Schweitzer, assistant professor of paleontology with a joint appointment at the N.C. Museum of Natural Sciences, has succeeded in isolating soft tissue from the femur of a 68-million-year-old dinosaur. Not only is the tissue largely intact, it's still transparent and pliable, and microscopic interior structures resembling blood vessels and even cells are still present.

Very good.

Now, last question.

Do you agree or disagree with this quotation from the very article you linked to

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68-million-year-old dinosaur


Do you accept the dino is really 68 million years old?

maybe 6,800 years old....not 68 million, no.

  
skeptic



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:35   

sorry, I missed something here.  Could you go back and expand on "the mental process that controls the genome?"  Not sure what you mean by that.  Also, SS, you really didn't expect to get an answer to your question here, did you?

  
supersport



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:38   

Quote (skeptic @ Sep. 18 2007,08:35)
sorry, I missed something here. †Could you go back and expand on "the mental process that controls the genome?" †Not sure what you mean by that. †Also, SS, you really didn't expect to get an answer to your question here, did you?

go back to an earlier page and look for a post entitled "my philosophy"...that should get you started on what I believe.  Ultimately I think the genome is just a physical manifestation of the mind.

  
supersport



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:39   

I expected some sort of an answer -- I wasn't expecting nothing, no.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:40   

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....not you people....or Ted Haggard...Senator Larry Craig...Senator David Vitter...

unSupersport, you are a tard.

the only tards -- whatever that is -- are the people who believe in darwinism without even a shred of evidence that their chosen mechanism can accomplish what's advertised.

No, "Tard" would be those too ignorant to acknowledge what is and is not evidence.

Please post any evidence that supports YEC or ID.

the evidence of YEC is the simple fact that lifeforms could not have built up materialistically over time.  There is no physical way (as evidence of this thread that mutations can't do it.)  Therefore, life must have appeared instantly by way of mental processes.  The only question now is when it happened (like that really matters)...but I would say YEC is certainly a possibility since the dinosaurs have been unearthed with soft tissue and proteins in their bones, meaning some of the most "ancient" of earths creatures still have organic material hanging off them.   Also, as far as human evolution goes, there are a grand total of about 200 Neanderthal individuals unearthed, about 25 or so of the so-called "homo erectus" unearthed ---- these people, if they evolved into modern humans would have had to number in the multi, multi millions.......so where the heck are they?  Evos will come back and say that fossilization is rare, and I would agree -- it only happens when it floods or when lots of water is around.  But you guys cannot count evidence that doesn't exist -- and the evidence shows there's simply not enough dead humans in the ground for evolution to have ever dreamed of happening.

The evidence shows that you have no answer to my point regarding bacteria and toxic environments.

Nice try to handwaive it away 10/10.

Do you have a reference/link for the dinosaurs with "organic material hanging off them"?

you have yet to show that they aren't degenerating.

Supersport, how long do you think it takes the average bacteria to reproduce?

Sanfords generic entropy puts an upper limit on the number of available reproduction events.

Supersport, I know they are not degenerating because they are still there after the maximum amount of reproductive events Sanford says are available to them.

I ask again, how long do you think it takes the average bacteria to reproduce?

And how many generations does that give us per year?

sorry that doesn't cut it -- if you are going to make an assertion that bacteria aren't degenerating you are going to have to provide proof.  Besides that, degeneration happens in ways that cannot be seen in genes.  For example, many diseases are heritable, thereby degenerating a population, but these diseases cannot be seen in the genome, but in the epigenome.  The degeneration is not with the genes themselves, but in the mental processes that control the genes.

It's a simple point and it's telling that you won't plug in the numbers.

a) What are the maximum number of reproduction events available to a bacteria?

b) How long does would it take to reach that number?

c) If the bacteria exist after that number, the Sanford must be wrong - right or wrong?

Here is an example of bacteria reproducing for millions of years. Please point out how these bacteria have degenerated. Please predict when we could expect them to reach the end of the available reproduction events for them.

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Scientists descending more than 2 miles into the hot, fractured rocks of a South African gold mine have discovered clans of microbes that have thrived there in total isolation for millions of years.
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"These bugs come from a formation at least 3 million and probably tens of millions of years old," said biologist Terry Hazen, head of the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory's ecology department and a co-author of the report. "They're living happily down there, remote and secluded, and they have the ability to adapt to anything that comes their way."


http://sfgate.com/

Now, I think I have reasonably "proven" that these bacteria are not degenerating, as if they were then they've had millions of years to do it and if they were degenerating then iwhy are they still here?

Your contention is that bacteria are degenerating, yet they happily live and reproduce for millions of years. You have been misled.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gaugerís work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
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supersport



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:41   

old man...you have NOT proven these bacteria have been around for millions of years....nor have proven there is no degeneration.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:43   

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SuperSport: Do you have a reference/link for the dinosaurs with "organic material hanging off them"?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050325100541.htm

Conventional wisdom among paleontologists states that when dinosaurs died and became fossilized, soft tissues didn't preserve the bones were essentially transformed into "rocks" through a gradual replacement of all organic material by minerals. New research by a North Carolina State University paleontologist, however, could literally turn that theory inside out.


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Dr. Mary Schweitzer, assistant professor of paleontology with a joint appointment at the N.C. Museum of Natural Sciences, has succeeded in isolating soft tissue from the femur of a 68-million-year-old dinosaur. Not only is the tissue largely intact, it's still transparent and pliable, and microscopic interior structures resembling blood vessels and even cells are still present.

Very good.

Now, last question.

Do you agree or disagree with this quotation from the very article you linked to

 
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68-million-year-old dinosaur


Do you accept the dino is really 68 million years old?

maybe 6,800 years old....not 68 million, no.

so you are happy to accept some of the conclusions of a given article (if they tally with your pre-existing beliefs) but are happy to reject others if not.

SuperSport, why don't YEC's go out and do some of your own research and then you'd not have to use articles that you can only accept part of.

I mean, why accept the part about the organic matter but reject the part about the age of the bones? What gives? How do you determine what part of a given article to believe, if it's in scripture?

Do you realize how foolish this makes you look?

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gaugerís work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
Gordon Mullings

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:43   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,08:41)
old man...you have NOT proven these bacteria have been around for millions of years....nor have proven there is no degeneration.

Nor have you proven that mental processes poofed life into existence.

So get busy.

thanks

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Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind
Has been obligated from the beginning
To create an ordered universe
As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.
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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:44   

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old man...you have NOT proven these bacteria have been around for millions of years....nor have proven there is no degeneration.

No, but the evidence is on my side.

Tell you what, why don't you "prove" that the bacteria have not been around for millions of years.

Then we'll talk.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gaugerís work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
Gordon Mullings

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:46   

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old man...you have NOT proven these bacteria have been around for millions of years....nor have proven there is no degeneration.

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Onstott and Pratt said in the report that the volcanic formation where the mine shaft penetrates deeply is nearly 3 billion years old. The water in which the community of microbes lives in rock fractures at the bottom of the shaft, they reported, has been isolated from the Earth's surface for millions of years. The dates are based on analyzing the ratio of noble gases like neon, krypton and argon who the water.


What standard of proof do you require? Cracking the rocks open in front of you? Would you believe it then?

You creationists amaze me. You demand "proof" yet are happy to accept the most ridiculous of tales (the ark) just because a man in a funny hat and dress is standing at a pulpit telling you it.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gaugerís work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
Gordon Mullings

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:50   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Sep. 18 2007,08:46)
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old man...you have NOT proven these bacteria have been around for millions of years....nor have proven there is no degeneration.

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Onstott and Pratt said in the report that the volcanic formation where the mine shaft penetrates deeply is nearly 3 billion years old. The water in which the community of microbes lives in rock fractures at the bottom of the shaft, they reported, has been isolated from the Earth's surface for millions of years. The dates are based on analyzing the ratio of noble gases like neon, krypton and argon who the water.


What standard of proof do you require? Cracking the rocks open in front of you? Would you believe it then?

You creationists amaze me. You demand "proof" yet are happy to accept the most ridiculous of tales (the ark) just because a man in a funny hat and dress is standing at a pulpit telling you it.

There is actually quite a bit of evidence for a world-wide flood.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:52   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,08:50)
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old man...you have NOT proven these bacteria have been around for millions of years....nor have proven there is no degeneration.

 
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Onstott and Pratt said in the report that the volcanic formation where the mine shaft penetrates deeply is nearly 3 billion years old. The water in which the community of microbes lives in rock fractures at the bottom of the shaft, they reported, has been isolated from the Earth's surface for millions of years. The dates are based on analyzing the ratio of noble gases like neon, krypton and argon who the water.


What standard of proof do you require? Cracking the rocks open in front of you? Would you believe it then?

You creationists amaze me. You demand "proof" yet are happy to accept the most ridiculous of tales (the ark) just because a man in a funny hat and dress is standing at a pulpit telling you it.

There is actually quite a bit of evidence for a world-wide flood.

If there was a world wide flood there should be a world-wide sediment layer indicating pre-flood and post-flood boundaries.

Please point to that layer.

As it's "world-wide" there should be no problem pointing it out at innumerable locations.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gaugerís work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:54   

I'm not going into the details this author mentions in his book for evidence of the flood, but he ends his discussion with this comment:

book: Atlantis -- The Antediluvian World by Donnelly

"No one can read these legends and doubt that the Flood was an historical reality. †It is impossible that in two different places in the Old World, remote from each other, religious ceremonies should have been established and perpetuated from age to age in memory of an event which never occurred. †....It is too much to ask us to believe that Biblical history, Chaldean, Iranian, and Greek legends signify nothing and that even religious pilgrimages and national festivities were based upon myth." †Pg. 79

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:56   

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old man...you have NOT proven these bacteria have been around for millions of years....nor have proven there is no degeneration.

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Onstott and Pratt said in the report that the volcanic formation where the mine shaft penetrates deeply is nearly 3 billion years old. The water in which the community of microbes lives in rock fractures at the bottom of the shaft, they reported, has been isolated from the Earth's surface for millions of years. The dates are based on analyzing the ratio of noble gases like neon, krypton and argon who the water.


What standard of proof do you require? Cracking the rocks open in front of you? Would you believe it then?

You creationists amaze me. You demand "proof" yet are happy to accept the most ridiculous of tales (the ark) just because a man in a funny hat and dress is standing at a pulpit telling you it.

There is actually quite a bit of evidence for a world-wide flood.

If there was a world wide flood there should be a world-wide sediment layer indicating pre-flood and post-flood boundaries.

Please point to that layer.

As it's "world-wide" there should be no problem pointing it out at innumerable locations.

no there shouldn't.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:57   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,08:54)
I'm not going into the details this author mentions in his book for evidence of the flood, but he ends his discussion with this comment:

book: Atlantis -- The Antediluvian World by Donnelly

"No one can read these legends and doubt that the Flood was an historical reality.  It is impossible that in two different places in the Old World, remote from each other, religious ceremonies should have been established and perpetuated from age to age in memory of an event which never occurred.  ....It is too much to ask us to believe that Biblical history, Chaldean, Iranian, and Greek legends signify nothing and that even religious pilgrimages and national festivities were based upon myth."  Pg. 79

I did not ask you to "go into details".

I asked you (as you are obviously an expert) where the world wide flood boundary can be found in the geological record.

It's not a complex question.

Anybody would think you were deliberately avoiding the question.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:58   

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old man...you have NOT proven these bacteria have been around for millions of years....nor have proven there is no degeneration.

   
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Onstott and Pratt said in the report that the volcanic formation where the mine shaft penetrates deeply is nearly 3 billion years old. The water in which the community of microbes lives in rock fractures at the bottom of the shaft, they reported, has been isolated from the Earth's surface for millions of years. The dates are based on analyzing the ratio of noble gases like neon, krypton and argon who the water.


What standard of proof do you require? Cracking the rocks open in front of you? Would you believe it then?

You creationists amaze me. You demand "proof" yet are happy to accept the most ridiculous of tales (the ark) just because a man in a funny hat and dress is standing at a pulpit telling you it.

There is actually quite a bit of evidence for a world-wide flood.

If there was a world wide flood there should be a world-wide sediment layer indicating pre-flood and post-flood boundaries.

Please point to that layer.

As it's "world-wide" there should be no problem pointing it out at innumerable locations.

no there shouldn't.

"no there shouldn't."? Was that your answer?

To Rephrase:
No, there should not be a problem pointing out where the boundary is

If there's no problem please point it out!

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gaugerís work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:00   

hey, old man...if dinosaurs are 100 million years old, why are their bones found on the surface of the ground?....what's up with that?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:00   

I can also show you fossilized humans were found in the same area as fossilized dinosaurs.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:02   

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hey, old man...if dinosaurs are 100 million years old, why are their bones found on the surface of the ground?....what's up with that?

Changing the subject?

Diamonds are also many millions of years old, yet we find them lying around on the surface.

What's up with that?

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gaugerís work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:03   

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hey, old man...if dinosaurs are 100 million years old, why are their bones found on the surface of the ground?....what's up with that?

Changing the subject?

Diamonds are also many millions of years old, yet we find them lying around on the surface.

What's up with that?

good point -- yet another contradiction.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:04   

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hey, old man...if dinosaurs are 100 million years old, why are their bones found on the surface of the ground?....what's up with that?

You've heard about "erosion", right?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:04   

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I can also show you fossilized humans were found in the same area as fossilized dinosaurs.

Same area, no doubt. Same layer? All over the world? I doubt that.

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I'm not the fastest or the baddest or the fatest.

You NEVER seem to address the fact that the grand majority of people supporting Darwinism in these on line forums and blogs are atheists. That doesn't seem to bother you guys in the least. - FtK

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:06   

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I can also show you fossilized humans were found in the same area as fossilized dinosaurs.

Same area? Same Strata?

Whatever, please bring on the information, links, whatever.

So, just so we're clear Supersport, it's your contention that humans and Dinosaurs existed at the same time in the same places?

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gaugerís work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:06   

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hey, old man...if dinosaurs are 100 million years old, why are their bones found on the surface of the ground?....what's up with that?

You've heard about "erosion", right?

right....so how does encased rock get eroded off bones so that the bones are free and clear of it?  It takes scientists special tools, instruments and chemicals to get rock off bones.....yet you say rain can do it.  Go figure.   You can't count evidence that you can't see.  I see bones laying on the surface......you have no scientific explanation.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:07   

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I can also show you fossilized humans were found in the same area as fossilized dinosaurs.

Same area, no doubt. Same layer? All over the world? I doubt that.

all over the world?  It just takes one spot, right?

  
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hey, old man...if dinosaurs are 100 million years old, why are their bones found on the surface of the ground?....what's up with that?

Changing the subject?

Diamonds are also many millions of years old, yet we find them lying around on the surface.

What's up with that?

good point -- yet another contradiction.

Another contradiction in what?

What do you mean?

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hey, old man...if dinosaurs are 100 million years old, why are their bones found on the surface of the ground?....what's up with that?

You've heard about "erosion", right?

right....so how does encased rock get eroded off bones so that the bones are free and clear of it?  It takes scientists special tools, instruments and chemicals to get rock off bones.....yet you say rain can do it.  Go figure.   You can't count evidence that you can't see.  I see bones laying on the surface......you have no scientific explanation.

Rain CAN do it.

Are you seriously suggesting rain can't wash earth away similarly or better than tools?

Ye gods.

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I can also show you fossilized humans were found in the same area as fossilized dinosaurs.

Same area? Same Strata?

Whatever, please bring on the information, links, whatever.

So, just so we're clear Supersport, it's your contention that humans and Dinosaurs existed at the same time in the same places?

http://www.projectexploration.org/niger2000/11_04_2000.htm

"ďThereís something big over here!Ē shouted Allison. We gathered around her find, a blackened, fossilized skull fragment more than a foot across. After puzzling over the piece briefly, I declared ďItís a cow, a fossilized cow skull.Ē

Now what was a fossil cow skull doing in a place like this Ė an area rich in dinosaur bone more than 100 million years old?


T ime-blackened fossil remains of rhinos, goats, and crocodiles recovered from a floodplain sit on the hood of the Land Rover alongside stone tools and remains of fossilized humans.

More pieces of the puzzle were being picked up by other team members. Dave exclaimed gleefully, ďLook, itís human! Part of the skull!Ē as he held high the curved plate of bone that shields the massive human brain. He never expected to find fossil humans on a dinosaur expedition."

  
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