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Texas Teach Posts: 2084 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 10 2018,09:51    Quote (Henry J @ July 09 2018,22:11) Re "Mullings Syndrome. I understand that it is chronic and incurable. " Not even with prayer? :p That worsens the symptoms by an order of magnitude. -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr "I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 10 2018,10:01    Quote (stevestory @ July 09 2018,13:59)   Quote 75 ET July 9, 2018 at 8:19 am jdk does not understand science nor how science operates. Says the guy who doesn't understand high school math, about the NCSE member  :D  :D  :D Credit where it's due, Steve.  He managed to get nine spittle-free words out, in comprehensible order.  Sure, they're bollocks, but still.  Baby steps... -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 10 2018,10:31    One would think that a java development kit would know stuff...

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 10 2018,12:11    Quote (Henry J @ July 10 2018,11:31) One would think that a java development kit would know stuff... Jack Eclipses Joe and Gordo by a wide margin.

Jkrebs Posts: 590 Joined: Sep. 2004 (Permalink) Posted: July 10 2018,12:12    I never respond to Joe. He's just an ignorant troll.

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 10 2018,12:31    Quote (Jkrebs @ July 10 2018,11:12) I never respond to Joe. He's just an ignorant troll. Yes, but he's one who thinks he knows everything. Or is that the definition of "troll"?

Jkrebs Posts: 590 Joined: Sep. 2004 (Permalink) Posted: July 10 2018,13:03    He's a troll in the sense that he just shoots out posts meant to provoke, without any substance to them, and without any intention (or in his case, ability) to engage seriously with any response. He just pokes people to annoy them, and to make himself feel like a big shot.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: July 10 2018,13:31    I made the mistake of clicking on Kairosfocus' name. It took me to a web site that indicates that it is a Kairosfocus briefing note. An 80,000 word briefing note. Excellent example of the written version of a Gish Gallop.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 10 2018,13:53    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ July 10 2018,14:31) I made the mistake of clicking on Kairosfocus' name. It took me to a web site that indicates that it is a Kairosfocus briefing note. An 80,000 word briefing note. Excellent example of the written version of a Gish Gallop. holy shit, what a Manifesto. I love how it's "Ver. 1.7.2c"

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 10 2018,13:57    I wonder if anybody's ever read it. Why would you? The guy's an idiot.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: July 10 2018,14:13    Quote (stevestory @ July 10 2018,13:53) Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ July 10 2018,14:31) I made the mistake of clicking on Kairosfocus' name. It took me to a web site that indicates that it is a Kairosfocus briefing note. An 80,000 word briefing note. Excellent example of the written version of a Gish Gallop. holy shit, what a Manifesto. I love how it's "Ver. 1.7.2c"  :p And he only mentions Plato fifteen times.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 10 2018,14:37    Do you think crackpots ever suspect they're crackpots?

Patrick Posts: 666 Joined: July 2011 (Permalink) Posted: July 10 2018,14:56    Quote (stevestory @ July 10 2018,15:37) Do you think crackpots ever suspect they're crackpots? That's an interesting question.  I suppose that 80,000 words aren't enough to provide time to think "Do I sound like a crank?" Similarly, Joe took an interest in me when I was an admin at TSZ (see the four or five emails from Frank Huggins I preserved for posterity starting here).  I do wonder, after how many threatening emails might one become introspective enough to ponder "Am I behaving rationally?" Edited by Patrick on July 10 2018,15:58

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 10 2018,15:06    These aren't clearly delineated categories, but I consider KF more a delusional crackpot, and Joe/ET/Frank more of just a dumb asshole. But that's really more a gut impression than a score on a checklist.

Patrick Posts: 666 Joined: July 2011 (Permalink) Posted: July 10 2018,15:11    Quote (stevestory @ July 10 2018,16:06) These aren't clearly delineated categories, but I consider KF more a delusional crackpot, and Joe/ET/Frank more of just a dumb asshole. But that's really more a gut impression than a score on a checklist. :D Your crank cladistics are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 10 2018,15:19    Cool! The latest issue is 75,000 words long and references Thomas Aquinas 137 times and features embedded YouTubes related to how Albert Einstein secretly proved that the Book of Genesis explains Quantum Consciousness.

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 10 2018,16:15    Quote (stevestory @ July 10 2018,13:19) Cool! The latest issue is 75,000 words long and references Thomas Aquinas 137 times and features embedded YouTubes related to how Albert Einstein secretly proved that the Book of Genesis explains Quantum Consciousness.  :O  :O  :O  :O  :O  :O If Mullings and Gaulin ever meet... -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 10 2018,16:43    Quote (JohnW @ July 10 2018,17:15) Quote (stevestory @ July 10 2018,13:19) Cool! The latest issue is 75,000 words long and references Thomas Aquinas 137 times and features embedded YouTubes related to how Albert Einstein secretly proved that the Book of Genesis explains Quantum Consciousness.  :O  :O  :O  :O  :O  :O If Mullings and Gaulin ever meet... They'll produce the ten volume Manifestopus A la Recherche du Tard Perdu. Edited by stevestory on July 10 2018,17:43

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 10 2018,18:20    Quote (stevestory @ July 10 2018,14:43) Quote (JohnW @ July 10 2018,17:15)   Quote (stevestory @ July 10 2018,13:19) Cool! The latest issue is 75,000 words long and references Thomas Aquinas 137 times and features embedded YouTubes related to how Albert Einstein secretly proved that the Book of Genesis explains Quantum Consciousness.  :O  :O  :O  :O  :O  :O If Mullings and Gaulin ever meet... They'll produce the ten volume Manifestopus A la Recherche du Tard Perdu. Diagrams Supplement Part A will be seven or eight volumes on its own. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 10 2018,20:43    Such a volume might need an appendix-ectomy. Even if only a vestigial one.

Texas Teach Posts: 2084 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 10 2018,21:58    Quote (JohnW @ July 10 2018,18:20) Quote (stevestory @ July 10 2018,14:43) Quote (JohnW @ July 10 2018,17:15)   Quote (stevestory @ July 10 2018,13:19) Cool! The latest issue is 75,000 words long and references Thomas Aquinas 137 times and features embedded YouTubes related to how Albert Einstein secretly proved that the Book of Genesis explains Quantum Consciousness.  :O  :O  :O  :O  :O  :O If Mullings and Gaulin ever meet... They'll produce the ten volume Manifestopus A la Recherche du Tard Perdu. Diagrams Supplement Part A will be seven or eight volumes on its own. If anyone ever printed it out, it might cause the deforestation of a small continent. -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr "I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 10 2018,22:05    In that case, at least it wouldn't leave anybody out on a limb.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2018,07:16    Quote Darwinism vs. ID: A game of foxes vs. lions July 11, 2018 Posted by News under Culture, Darwinism, Intelligent Design, Science No Comments From my (O’Leary for News) review of sociologist Steve Fuller’s book, Post-Truth: Knowledge as a Power Game: How ID Foxes Can Beat the Darwinian Lions Fuller clearly finds the foxes more interesting and sympathetic figures than the lions: “The lion rules by focused shows of force, as opposed to the fox’s diverse displays of cunning.” A good analogy, if all the foxes have Tertiary Syphilis.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2018,07:19    Quote 26 Charles BirchJuly 11, 2018 at 2:54 am IMHO there is no such thing as ‘settled science’. The very phrase is a contradiction in terms. If it’s science, it’s not settled. If it’s settled, it’s not science. Science is a never-ending process of enquiry into nature, and a never-ending process of updating our models. Science stops the moment someone – or some consensus – claims that our knowledge of a subject is ‘settled’. Whenever I hear or read about ‘settled science’, my dogma detector moves into the red zone. Hope Charles never gets offered $10 to jump off a bridge in order to demonstrate that some basic facts about Gravity haven't been settled.

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2018,08:57    Quote (stevestory @ July 11 2018,15:19) Quote 26 Charles BirchJuly 11, 2018 at 2:54 am IMHO there is no such thing as ‘settled science’. The very phrase is a contradiction in terms. If it’s science, it’s not settled. If it’s settled, it’s not science. Science is a never-ending process of enquiry into nature, and a never-ending process of updating our models. Science stops the moment someone – or some consensus – claims that our knowledge of a subject is ‘settled’. Whenever I hear or read about ‘settled science’, my dogma detector moves into the red zone. Hope Charles never gets offered $10 to jump off a bridge in order to demonstrate that some basic facts about Gravity haven't been settled. Too much trouble, all he needs to do is put an airtight plastic bag over his head and tie it off around his neck to test scientific "dogma". If he is a Hindu maybe he could use his karma to run over his dogma. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2018,09:11    Quote (k.e.. @ July 11 2018,09:57) Too much trouble, all he needs to do is put an airtight plastic bag over his head and tie it off around his neck to test scientific "dogma". If he is a Hindu maybe he could use his karma to run over his dogma. maybe he could run a few Amps across his chest. "scientists" would say it's pretty settled that doing so would kill him, but that just proves they're not doing science! Stupid scientists.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2018,09:22    Quote (Henry J @ July 10 2018,22:05) In that case, at least it wouldn't leave anybody out on a limb. Then there would be no risk of this. Mulling's would be happy.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2018,18:18    Quote 3 harryJuly 11, 2018 at 8:04 am Even when possession of some genuine truths is what led to former foxes becoming the reigning lions, their commitment to remaining in power soon overwhelms their commitment to the truth. In the case of the contemporary Darwinian lions their commitment to remaining in power has utterly destroyed their commitment to the truth. Any rational person capable of objectivity who looks into the ID vs the Darwinian establishment conflict soon realizes that ID won the debate long ago and that the lions have for quite some time been relying soley on raw power, not on rational arguments.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2018,18:58    Quote (stevestory @ July 11 2018,18:18) Quote 3 harryJuly 11, 2018 at 8:04 am Even when possession of some genuine truths is what led to former foxes becoming the reigning lions, their commitment to remaining in power soon overwhelms their commitment to the truth. In the case of the contemporary Darwinian lions their commitment to remaining in power has utterly destroyed their commitment to the truth. Any rational person capable of objectivity who looks into the ID vs the Darwinian establishment conflict soon realizes that ID won the debate long ago and that the lions have for quite some time been relying soley on raw power, not on rational arguments. :D That would explain the hundreds of papers published recently in BioComplexity.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2018,19:08    It's almost like Harry is suggesting that w/r/t ID the science is...dare I say...settled?

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