Freddie
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| Quote (Freddie @ June 13 2011,03:42) | | Quote (Ptaylor @ June 13 2011,01:56) | There's some good tard over in the comments on the 'PZ open cut quote mines' thread. (These people and irony really are strangers, aren't they?) Even the one clear headed (in my opinion, of course) commenter, Neil Rickert has tard injected into his comment by the now rarely seen loudspeaker in the ceiling method:
| Quote | | Quote | | I have to single out this man, whom I consider the most contemptable, despicable, cruel, and vicious evil liar in the creationist movement today, yes, he’s a nasty, nasty person. (PZ has never met or talked with this ID proponent.) |
Maybe the particular ID proponent has written some books, and maybe it is from those books that PZ finds the ID proponent to be a “vicious evil liar.”
I think I listened to the same podcast, and the particular ID proponent was identified as Jonathan Wells. I’m not sure why you omitted that detail. PZ is not the only evolutionist who holds a low opinion of Wells. Larry Moran has been posting a series on his blog (see this post for an example.
(moderator: Neil the language applied would not usually be used of someone who one had not met by a rational clear thinking person. How can someone be “evil” where there is “no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference” (Dawkins)?)
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There's more: Gil has his 2c worth, actually avoiding using the Dodgenator 3000 for once, but still managing to remain content free. There's some serious misconstrual from Barb (who surely merits more discussion here IMO), and JohnnyB tells us that PZ converted him from mere IDiocy to full blown creationism. Just as I'm writing Clive has wandered in and delivered a surprise CS Lewis quote. Touché there, Clive! |
Yet again, for the umpteenth time, someone at UD misuses the term "quote mine". What is it that is so hard to understand about that term that they just don't get it? |
I see Paragwinn has asked idnet for sources for those "quote mines". Nice idea.
Couldn't find many with a quick search on Pharyngula. Here's one from MPR (boldening mine):
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Smith: Now, you have been described as belonging to a movement that some people call "new atheism." Is there such a thing and do you like the term?
Myers: No. I'm buddies with a lot of the big shot new atheists, people like Richard Dawkins and Dan Dennett.
Smith: They do have some sort of soccer team out there or community group with a jersey and a logo.
Myers: What we have is a whole bunch of people who voice their opinions and are looked to as representative of the new atheist movement. And none of them like the term, because we're not new. There's nothing we're saying that Betrand Russell didn't say. This is all the same old stuff . The only difference is that somehow, in the last 10 years or so, more people have woken up and they're speaking out loudly. They're not holding back. I think that's really the only difference is we've got the primal scream therapy of atheism.
New atheists are the people who shout and yell a lot about this stuff and say, "Wake up, wake up, think about this stuff." But it's the same old stuff that atheists have been talking about for years and years.
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Compare this to the "quote mine":
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I’m buddies with a lot of the big shot new atheists, people like Richard Dawkins and Dan Dennett. There’s nothing we’re saying that Betrand Russell didn’t say. This is all the same old stuff. The only difference is that we’ve got the primal scream therapy of atheism. New atheists are the people who shout and yell a lot about this stuff. But it’s the same old stuff that atheists have been talking about for years and years.
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So perhaps I was being harsh before as these really are 'quote mines' in a true sense. Which just makes idnet dumber than I thought possible to telegraph it.
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Joe: Most criticisims of ID stem from ignorance and jealousy.
Joe: As for the authors of the books in the Bible, well the OT was authored by Moses and the NT was authored by various people.
Byers: The eskimo would not need hairy hair growth as hair, I say, is for keeping people dry. Not warm.
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