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Occam's Aftershave



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2013,12:29   

Shitstain Sal accidentally gives away the IDiot position:

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How difficult is it to project engineering metaphors onto biology?

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Detecting designs in biology is detecting patterns that conform to engineering designs. It’s no coincidence ID seems to be over represented by engineers.

linky


Yep Sal, science is not about positive evidence but all about metaphors.  If you can find a human engineering analogy to a process already present in nature then the natural process must have been designed!

That's why human designed lawn sprinklers are evidence rain clouds were Intelligently Designed.  :D  :D  :D

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2013,12:43   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 22 2013,12:29)
Shitstain Sal accidentally gives away the IDiot position:

 
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How difficult is it to project engineering metaphors onto biology?

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Detecting designs in biology is detecting patterns that conform to engineering designs. It’s no coincidence ID seems to be over represented by engineers.

linky


Yep Sal, science is not about positive evidence but all about metaphors.  If you can find a human engineering analogy to a process already present in nature then the natural process must have been designed!

That's why human designed lawn sprinklers are evidence rain clouds were Intelligently Designed.  :D  :D  :D

Oh mighty hammer, all things are your nails.

Yes, much better to stick with people who have little perspective outside of design (not all engineers, clearly some).  Otherwise, they might see how life doesn't adhere to design possibilities, rather, to evolutionary limits.

Glen Davidson

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Learned Hand



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2013,15:02   

Quote (Seversky @ Dec. 22 2013,07:14)
The question is, are we entitled to assume that BA, as a lawyer, understands the difference between dicta and holdings?  If he does, but has failed to make it clear, then it suggests a deliberate attempt to mislead and is reprehensible.  If he doesn't then it raises questions about his competence.


He must understand the distinction, it's a very basic thing. Presumably he fudged it out of carelessness; it wouldn't make much sense as a deliberate attempt to mislead. And I don't think the carelessness reflects much on his competence, since he's speaking to a lay audience.

I think it raises questions about his respect for that audience and for his own arguments, though. It's as if it's simply not worth his time to get it right. And when you think about it, it might not be. The creationists don't need him to be right, just to go through the motions so they can declare victory. And the rest of us are hardly going to be persuaded by his lazy, abusive and hollow rhetoric. So why not just do the kabuki dance and declare victory? Saves him time.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2013,15:48   

good point.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2013,23:27   

Quote (Learned Hand @ Dec. 22 2013,15:02)
So why not just do the kabuki dance and declare victory? Saves him time.

Sums up the primary purpose of UD.

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Occam's Aftershave



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2013,14:12   

Shitstain Sal spills the beans on his motivations for being such an ass at TSZ:

       
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I was grateful for the opportunity to get free peer review of some of the teaching materials I’m developing.

Though most of my exchanges with critics are a waste of time, the rounds at TSZ were actually quite fruitful.

I do not view the protracted internet discussions as persuading anyone.

Making good teaching materials for students that want to learn ID is what is important for me. These materials when delivered in person can have more influence than any debate I have on the net.


SS has realized there's still a lot of money to be made by fleecing the rank-and-file IDiots and he wants a piece of that pie!  Being a professional IDCreation pusher sure beats making an honest living.   :p

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2013,17:21   

Butthurt reaching 9000 on UD right now :-)

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Occam's Aftershave



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2013,17:56   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 23 2013,17:21)
Butthurt reaching 9000 on UD right now :-)

LOL!  Uptight Blowhard is having a major meltdown because Mike Elzinga at TSZ pointed out a fact:  the IDiots at UD have never demonstrated even a high school level understanding of math, physics, or biology.  

 
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UB:  Hey Dr Liddle,

This incomprehensibly miserable p.o.s. does this to everyone who walks through the door at TSZ, and you stand there having a tea and conversing with him while he does it.

Being an abusive fraud suits you, Dr Liddle. Perfectly.


Problem for you Blowhard is Mike got it exactly right.  None of you IDiots can do any math or science beyond the high school level.  You sure have the self-righteous whining act down cold though.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2013,17:57   

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Making good teaching materials for students that want to learn ID is what is important for me.


Students who want to learn should not waste their time on Sal.

   
CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2013,20:21   

Sal (As quoted by Occam's Aftershave):

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I was grateful for the opportunity to get free peer review of some of the teaching materials I’m developing.


Well, you're in the right place, since all of your peers are idiots.

  
Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2013,21:31   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 23 2013,18:56)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 23 2013,17:21)
Butthurt reaching 9000 on UD right now :-)

LOL!  Uptight Blowhard is having a major meltdown because Mike Elzinga at TSZ pointed out a fact:  the IDiots at UD have never demonstrated even a high school level understanding of math, physics, or biology.  

   
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UB:  Hey Dr Liddle,

This incomprehensibly miserable p.o.s. does this to everyone who walks through the door at TSZ, and you stand there having a tea and conversing with him while he does it.

Being an abusive fraud suits you, Dr Liddle. Perfectly.


Problem for you Blowhard is Mike got it exactly right.  None of you IDiots can do any math or science beyond the high school level.  You sure have the self-righteous whining act down cold though.

All Upright BiPed needs to do to counter the claim is to answer the simple, high school level questions that Dr. Elzinga has posed.

I suspect I can't hold my breath for as long as that will take.

  
Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 24 2013,02:45   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 23 2013,14:12)
Shitstain Sal spills the beans on his motivations for being such an ass at TSZ:

             
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I was grateful for the opportunity to get free peer review of some of the teaching materials I’m developing.

Though most of my exchanges with critics are a waste of time, the rounds at TSZ were actually quite fruitful.

I do not view the protracted internet discussions as persuading anyone.

Making good teaching materials for students that want to learn ID is what is important for me. These materials when delivered in person can have more influence than any debate I have on the net.


SS has realized there's still a lot of money to be made by fleecing the rank-and-file IDiots and he wants a piece of that pie!  Being a professional IDCreation pusher sure beats making an honest living.   :p


Yes, we wouldn't expect anything but professional teaching persuasive indoctrination from a professional like Sal.

Delivering in person, preferaby in a church, has great persuasive power that should not be under-estimated. There are lots of examples of how anything no matter how false can be persuasively delivered in person with great success.

Order of the Solar Temple, The Branch Davidians, Heavens Gate, Manson Family and not to forget L. Ron Hubbard demonstrating the power of personal delivery, or the Moonies.
I see a great future for Sal, reaching a cult status even surpassing that of the Dr. Dr. Dr. without even hiding incompetence under an academic cloak like Dembski’s.

I hope to see the finished presentation on Youtube.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 24 2013,04:42   

Sal could be the next Eric Hovind.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 24 2013,04:58   

Quote (Patrick @ Dec. 24 2013,03:31)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 23 2013,18:56)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 23 2013,17:21)
Butthurt reaching 9000 on UD right now :-)

LOL!  Uptight Blowhard is having a major meltdown because Mike Elzinga at TSZ pointed out a fact:  the IDiots at UD have never demonstrated even a high school level understanding of math, physics, or biology.  

   
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UB:  Hey Dr Liddle,

This incomprehensibly miserable p.o.s. does this to everyone who walks through the door at TSZ, and you stand there having a tea and conversing with him while he does it.

Being an abusive fraud suits you, Dr Liddle. Perfectly.


Problem for you Blowhard is Mike got it exactly right.  None of you IDiots can do any math or science beyond the high school level.  You sure have the self-righteous whining act down cold though.

All Upright BiPed needs to do to counter the claim is to answer the simple, high school level questions that Dr. Elzinga has posed.

I suspect I can't hold my breath for as long as that will take.

UB says something odd in that thread. He calls Lizzie an "authority figure". Perhaps he just meant that she is an evolutionary biologist, but of course she isn't. Lizzie just knows what she is talking about (and is equivocation's worst enemy).

Anyone here think of Dembski or Barry A as authority figures? *snicker*

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 24 2013,06:58   

Quote (Quack @ Dec. 24 2013,08:45)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 23 2013,14:12)
Shitstain Sal spills the beans on his motivations for being such an ass at TSZ:

               
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I was grateful for the opportunity to get free peer review of some of the teaching materials I’m developing.

Though most of my exchanges with critics are a waste of time, the rounds at TSZ were actually quite fruitful.

I do not view the protracted internet discussions as persuading anyone.

Making good teaching materials for students that want to learn ID is what is important for me. These materials when delivered in person can have more influence than any debate I have on the net.


SS has realized there's still a lot of money to be made by fleecing the rank-and-file IDiots and he wants a piece of that pie!  Being a professional IDCreation pusher sure beats making an honest living.   :p


Yes, we wouldn't expect anything but professional teaching persuasive indoctrination from a professional like Sal.

Delivering in person, preferaby in a church, has great persuasive power that should not be under-estimated. There are lots of examples of how anything no matter how false can be persuasively delivered in person with great success.

Order of the Solar Temple, The Branch Davidians, Heavens Gate, Manson Family and not to forget L. Ron Hubbard demonstrating the power of personal delivery, or the Moonies.
I see a great future for Sal, reaching a cult status even surpassing that of the Dr. Dr. Dr. without even hiding incompetence under an academic cloak like Dembski’s.

I hope to see the finished presentation on Youtube.

The cults you mention all had charismatic leaders.

Cordova is many things - charismatic is NOT one of them

I guess he's angling for a job with the Disco Tute - the Attack Gerbil's protective slime layer, perhaps

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 24 2013,08:11   

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ordova is many things - charismatic is NOT one of them

I guess he's angling for a job with the Disco Tute - the Attack Gerbil's protective slime layer, perhaps
I gave the "NOT" a little more weight.

The DI angle, yes, at the bosom of his idol - but he may need to pretend being straightened up wrt his YEC leaning. But in view of what Dembski can get away with that shouldn't be a problem.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 24 2013,22:39   

Quote (Quack @ Dec. 24 2013,08:11)
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ordova is many things - charismatic is NOT one of them

I guess he's angling for a job with the Disco Tute - the Attack Gerbil's protective slime layer, perhaps
I gave the "NOT" a little more weight.

The DI angle, yes, at the bosom of his idol - but he may need to pretend being straightened up wrt his YEC leaning. But in view of what Dembski can get away with that shouldn't be a problem.

One may ask if the DI isn’t obliged to pay Sal until his retirement because he exposed his stupidity publically for them and intelligent design. And he did so not in some church basement or just on some obscure blog run by William Dembski but in Nature the journal that he can not name without adding "the prestigious scientific journal".

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2013,00:41   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 23 2013,15:21)
Butthurt reaching 9000 on UD right now :-)

But is it the genuine Ronco Butthurt 9000 or just a cheap knock-off.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2013,07:35   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 23 2013,14:12)
Shitstain Sal spills the beans on his motivations for being such an ass at TSZ:

       
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I was grateful for the opportunity to get free peer review of some of the teaching materials I’m developing.

Though most of my exchanges with critics are a waste of time, the rounds at TSZ were actually quite fruitful.

I do not view the protracted internet discussions as persuading anyone.

Making good teaching materials for students that want to learn ID is what is important for me. These materials when delivered in person can have more influence than any debate I have on the net.


SS has realized there's still a lot of money to be made by fleecing the rank-and-file IDiots and he wants a piece of that pie!  Being a professional IDCreation pusher sure beats making an honest living.   :p

If one is a moron, one's peers will also be morons.

Material developed by a moron and reviewed by other morons will be... well... moronic.

The sum total of ID teaching materials

"We believe that something, somewhen, did something, somehow that resulted in the diversity of life around us.  We don't know if it happened once, many times, if the something is still around doing something somehow or not."

End of lesson.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2013,20:50   

I must have friended BA77 once or something.  I always see his latest shenanigans when I log onto Facebook.

This time he actually has something that's interesting - the 75 best pictures of the year:

http://www.artfido.com/blog.......or-2013

Thank you Philip and Merry Christmas to you too.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2013,05:31   

Quote (CeilingCat @ Dec. 25 2013,20:50)
I must have friended BA77 once or something.  I always see his latest shenanigans when I log onto Facebook.

This time he actually has something that's interesting - the 75 best pictures of the year:

http://www.artfido.com/blog.......or-2013

Thank you Philip and Merry Christmas to you too.

Number 23 is just around the corner from where I work - it's the exit that takes you to the Senckenberg Natural History Museum.

Merry Boxing Dy to you all!

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2013,10:03   

Quote (CeilingCat @ Dec. 25 2013,20:50)
I must have friended BA77 once or something.  I always see his latest shenanigans when I log onto Facebook.

This time he actually has something that's interesting - the 75 best pictures of the year:

http://www.artfido.com/blog.......or-2013

Thank you Philip and Merry Christmas to you too.

Thanks CC!  That must be the ONLY thing that Phillip - aka Butt^Awful 77 - has ever posted that actually makes any kind of sense at all.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2013,11:35   

74 - Airplane view of a distant storm and especially 69 - Invisible Reflection make up for a lot of overly long and turgid posts.  

57 - Waterspouts over the Adriatic makes me wonder what the heck is going on there.  I don't think Goddidit is an adequate answer.

Can any duck experts tell us if the wings in #29 - First Flight are actually big enough to fly?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2013,11:44   

Because of click-bait i almost automatically decline to follow any link with numbers in the title, but that is a great link.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2013,12:02   

Quote (CeilingCat @ Dec. 26 2013,11:35)
74 - Airplane view of a distant storm and especially 69 - Invisible Reflection make up for a lot of overly long and turgid posts.  

57 - Waterspouts over the Adriatic makes me wonder what the heck is going on there.  I don't think Goddidit is an adequate answer.

Can any duck experts tell us if the wings in #29 - First Flight are actually big enough to fly?

I was thinking first fall when I saw that.

I certainly don't have the calculations or any such thing to say that the wings are too small, but they look about the size of wings of woodducklings when they jump out and fall to the ground.  I don't think any of that fuzz could be considered to be flight feathers, in any case.

Glen Davidson

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2013,12:39   

Quote (Glen Davidson @ Dec. 26 2013,10:02)
Quote (CeilingCat @ Dec. 26 2013,11:35)
74 - Airplane view of a distant storm and especially 69 - Invisible Reflection make up for a lot of overly long and turgid posts.  

57 - Waterspouts over the Adriatic makes me wonder what the heck is going on there.  I don't think Goddidit is an adequate answer.

Can any duck experts tell us if the wings in #29 - First Flight are actually big enough to fly?

I was thinking first fall when I saw that.

I certainly don't have the calculations or any such thing to say that the wings are too small, but they look about the size of wings of woodducklings when they jump out and fall to the ground.  I don't think any of that fuzz could be considered to be flight feathers, in any case.

Glen Davidson

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2013,13:44   

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KRock December 25, 2013 at 8:57 am

Merry Christmas to all. The work you guys are doing at UD, is “outstanding.” I look forward to a new year of brilliantly written articles… as well as learning about all the new discoveries and advancements in science that continue to loosen the grip of Neo Darwinism.

All the best.


I think that's spelled Crock.

Link

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2013,14:18   

Quote (CeilingCat @ Dec. 26 2013,14:44)
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KRock December 25, 2013 at 8:57 am

Merry Christmas to all. The work you guys are doing at UD, is “outstanding.” I look forward to a new year of brilliantly written articles… as well as learning about all the new discoveries and advancements in science that continue to loosen the grip of Neo Darwinism.

All the best.


I think that's spelled Crock.

Link

Perhaps someone with a still living sock will ask KRock to list his top three examples of "new discoveries and advancements in science that continue to loosen the grip of Neo Darwinism" from 2013.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2013,16:09   

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"outstanding"

? Sure it isn't an impostor?

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2013,16:36   

Quote (Quack @ Dec. 26 2013,17:09)
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"outstanding"

? Sure it isn't an impostor?

I think they're all impostors.  UD is just a long-running piece of collaborative performance art, full of Poes, making the point "How ridiculous would this be, if people really thought this way?"  C'mon, have any of you ever met anyone like that cast of characters in real life?  Even one person?  There's no way any of them could function in normal society.

I'd lie awake nights if I allowed myself to seriously consider the alternative.

  
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