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JonF



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2015,10:39   

Yes, that's a great resource.  I am proud that I'm the one who scanned and proofread it, then Harlequin did the HTML.

  
N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2015,10:53   

Well, thank you.

  
Jim_Wynne



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2015,13:37   

Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 21 2015,07:49)
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My argument (and it pains me to have had to explain to adults what the normal use of the word information or message means) is that the meaningful information isn't expected to arise randomly.


That must be a record, three conflations of terms in the same sentence. Even Joe couldn't accomplish that.

Well, Joe's just an idiot with a rage disorder. Cryptoamateur's thing is incredulity as argument. It's not any more scientific, but it's a little less boring. There's hope for crypto, not so much for Joe or Gary.

Crypto is just a garden variety reasonably smart creationist who is too deluded to understand that his entire thesis is based on an argument that assumes its own conclusion.  In that particular variety of "science," that's a feature, not a defect.  I think GG is far more entertaining.

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Evolution is not about laws but about randomness on happanchance.--Robert Byers, at PT

  
OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2015,15:42   

I think this pretty much destroys crypto's claims... http://molbio.mgh.harvard.edu/szostak...._01.pdf

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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2015,17:18   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 22 2015,16:42)
I think this pretty much destroys crypto's claims... http://molbio.mgh.harvard.edu/szostak...._01.pdf

Well, it would, but crypto seems not to trust the real world.  If it can't be demonstrated with a simple set of formulas, a couple of tautologies, and a suppressed premise or three, within the scope of a self-contradictory set of prejudicial conditions, well, it just can't happen.  No matter what actually happens.

Lovely reference, though.  Thanks for posting the link!

  
OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2015,17:19   

Quote (NoName @ Feb. 22 2015,17:18)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 22 2015,16:42)
I think this pretty much destroys crypto's claims... http://molbio.mgh.harvard.edu/szostak...._01.pdf

Well, it would, but crypto seems not to trust the real world.  If it can't be demonstrated with a simple set of formulas, a couple of tautologies, and a suppressed premise or three, within the scope of a self-contradictory set of prejudicial conditions, well, it just can't happen.  No matter what actually happens.

Lovely reference, though.  Thanks for posting the link!

Soon as I get some questions answered, I will be writing this up for my blog.

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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 24 2015,19:14   

I don't think Guru is going to return.  All of his "arguments" have been met, documented and dismissed with examples and documentation.

However, I remember over at UD, the swamp, the denizens including the great Luskin "demonstrating" that Dawkins' weasel program "latched" output.  The fact that it could not be shown in the code led Luskin to claim that the program "virtually latched."  OMG, that was fun to watch!  Such desperation.

  
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