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Posted: June 09 2018,06:41

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For a change, it's not a dead scientist he's happy about this time (linky):

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1 bornagain77 June 8, 2018 at 7:25 am

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Anthony Bourdain (June 25, 1956 – June 8, 2018), a man who was paid handsomely to try to find as much happiness in this world as he could, was apparently left empty in that quest and ended up committing suicide. If there is any lesson to be learned in his tragic death it is that all the pleasures of this world will not bring us true fulfillment and that we must look ‘higher’ than this temporal realm in order to find true happiness:

Matthew: 31-33
So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.
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He had it coming for cooking tasty food. You'll eat your loaves and fishes and like them, young lady!

im in ur post, fixin ur Linx

Gee, what a surprise. Either BatShit is ignorant of, or being completely dishonest about, what Bourdain stood for during his life. And it doesn't really matter which of those is true when one is callous enough to use someone's death a some sort of signpost demonstrating why you need their personal mythology.

One could not possibly have watched one or two of Bourdain's shows or read anything he wrote without understanding that he thought of food, as it's a human universal, as a medium that could be used to break down cultural barriers. To expose us all to those who are different than us, to their overall histories and customs. To help people to expand their understanding of others in order minimize their tribalism and he was hugely successful at it. Leave it to BatShit to characterize what the man did with his life as vainly "chasing" food.

Stick it back up your ass, Phil.

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Posted: June 09 2018,17:26

We got a new commenter in the mix.

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PaV June 8, 2018 at 1:38 pm
From the abstract:

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This study illustrates that species can rapidly adapt to novel environments despite genome?wide reductions in genetic diversity.

Darwin said evolution MUST be gradual. And Fisher said that fitness increases with increased genetic diversity.

Both of these theses are contradicted by this study.

And evolutionists say: “Ho-hum. Keep moving. Nothing to see here.”

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AmblyrhynchusJune 8, 2018 at 5:57 pm
News,

There is no “switch” here, the paper is looking for genetic variants that changed in frequency. So it’s certainly selection. It’s not possible to know if the strongest effect of selection occurred early, though I don’t think any of the selected alleles are fixed so it’s likely selection is still operating.

PaV,

Darwin got a lot wrong, not sure why modern evoluionary biologists should care about that (though I’m not sure this results is a case in pont). Fisher only said that all else being equal, adaptation faster when genetic diversity is high. Nothing in this result is at odds with that.

PaV is a tard.

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Posted: June 09 2018,17:28

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Amblyrhynchus June 9, 2018 at 3:39 pm
aarceng,

The biological definition of evolution is change in heritable traits over generations. Coyne’s paragraph is a description of what has happened, not a definition of evolution.

PaV,

What are you on about? I’m not sure if you understand what the words “rate” or “variance” mean. Nothing in this result in counter to Fishers theorem.

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Posted: June 09 2018,19:33

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@6 “There is no “switch” here, the paper is looking for genetic variants that changed in frequency.”

How much of that was due to founder effect and nothing to do with selection? (Sorry I don’t have the time or inclination to read the paper myself.) However even if it is all due to selection that is only evolution in the Population Genetics sense; not in the universal common ancestry sense.

Edited to add link: Trouty link

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Posted: June 10 2018,09:40

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7 aarceng June 9, 2018 at 2:51 am

@6 “There is no “switch” here, the paper is looking for genetic variants that changed in frequency.”

How much of that was due to founder effect and nothing to do with selection? (Sorry I don’t have the time or inclination to read the paper myself.) However even if it is all due to selection that is only evolution in the Population Genetics sense; not in the universal common ancestry sense.

Edited to add link: Trouty link

Hahaha deliberate studious ignorance.

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Posted: June 11 2018,08:47

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bornagain77June 10, 2018 at 6:52 pm
Allan Keith, actually it is fairly simple. Atheism entails a hopeless nihilism that drains life of any real meaning and purpose.

When all is said and done, BS77's just a tard.

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Posted: June 11 2018,09:16

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bornagain77June 10, 2018 at 6:52 pm
Allan Keith, actually it is fairly simple. Atheism entails a hopeless nihilism that drains life of any real meaning and purpose.

That whole thread is about Christians not caring about real people, and trying to justify acting as a bit on an arsehole as compassionate. Fortunately, not all Christians are like that.

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Posted: June 11 2018,09:32

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bornagain77June 10, 2018 at 6:52 pm
Allan Keith, actually it is fairly simple. Atheism entails a hopeless nihilism that drains life of any real meaning and purpose.

Yet, BA77, Mullings and Barry are the intellectual cream-or-the-crop over at UD.

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Posted: June 11 2018,11:40

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bornagain77June 10, 2018 at 6:52 pm
Allan Keith, actually it is fairly simple. Atheism entails a hopeless nihilism that drains life of any real meaning and purpose.

Yet, BA77, Mullings and Barry are the intellectual cream-or-the-crop over at UD.

moar like fungi on a turd.

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Posted: June 11 2018,13:04

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Allan Keith June 11, 2018 at 11:23 am

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BA77,

Highly religious people say they’re happier, too, survey finds

Based on a survey? Have you ever thought that atheists might simply be more honest with their feelings?

Or less delusional?

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A proposal to classify happiness as a psychiatric disorder
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🙂 🙂 🙂

Before you jump all over this, the article is satire.

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Posted: June 11 2018,16:45

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bornagain77June 10, 2018 at 6:52 pm
Allan Keith, actually it is fairly simple. Atheism entails a hopeless nihilism that drains life of any real meaning and purpose.

No-one knows more about what atheists think than batshit77.

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Posted: June 11 2018,17:49

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AmblyrhynchusJune 11, 2018 at 1:37 pm
PaV,

You are really confused here. I’m not sure how you yourself into this mess (other than choosing to bloviate away on a topic you know nothing about).

Fisher’s theorem says the rate of adaptation is determined by the genetic variance in fitness. That doesn’t mean the rate of adaptation is zero in populations that are less diverse than they used to be (in fact, if a bottleneck is associated with a new habit genetic variance in fitness might increase).it certainly doesn’t mean selection should increase variance (that’s literally backwards).

So I’m not trying to play games with the definitions of words, I’m trying to understand how you are getting this so wrong.

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Posted: June 11 2018,18:00

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AmblyrhynchusJune 11, 2018 at 1:37 pm
PaV,

You are really confused here. I’m not sure how you yourself into this mess (other than choosing to bloviate away on a topic you know nothing about).

Fisher’s theorem says the rate of adaptation is determined by the genetic variance in fitness. That doesn’t mean the rate of adaptation is zero in populations that are less diverse than they used to be (in fact, if a bottleneck is associated with a new habit genetic variance in fitness might increase).it certainly doesn’t mean selection should increase variance (that’s literally backwards).

So I’m not trying to play games with the definitions of words, I’m trying to understand how you are getting this so wrong.

:p :p :p

Amblyrhynchus is not long for UD. He/she is too intelligent.

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Posted: June 12 2018,06:30

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AmblyrhynchusJune 11, 2018 at 1:37 pm
PaV,

You are really confused here. I’m not sure how you yourself into this mess (other than choosing to bloviate away on a topic you know nothing about).

Fisher’s theorem says the rate of adaptation is determined by the genetic variance in fitness. That doesn’t mean the rate of adaptation is zero in populations that are less diverse than they used to be (in fact, if a bottleneck is associated with a new habit genetic variance in fitness might increase).it certainly doesn’t mean selection should increase variance (that’s literally backwards).

So I’m not trying to play games with the definitions of words, I’m trying to understand how you are getting this so wrong.

:p :p :p

Amblyrhynchus is not long for UD. He/she is too intelligent.

I hope he gets a swansong before they shove him down the acid pit behind the koolaid still.

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Posted: June 12 2018,08:29

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AmblyrhynchusJune 11, 2018 at 1:37 pm
PaV,

You are really confused here. I’m not sure how you yourself into this mess (other than choosing to bloviate away on a topic you know nothing about).

Fisher’s theorem says the rate of adaptation is determined by the genetic variance in fitness. That doesn’t mean the rate of adaptation is zero in populations that are less diverse than they used to be (in fact, if a bottleneck is associated with a new habit genetic variance in fitness might increase).it certainly doesn’t mean selection should increase variance (that’s literally backwards).

So I’m not trying to play games with the definitions of words, I’m trying to understand how you are getting this so wrong.

:p :p :p

Amblyrhynchus is not long for UD. He/she is too intelligent.

I hope he gets a swansong before they shove him down the acid pit behind the koolaid still.

You know your time at UD is limited when Barry writes an OP with your name in it.

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Posted: June 12 2018,10:19

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You know your time at UD is limited when Barry writes an OP with your name in it.

UD really is just a Safe Space where a dozen cranks can pretend their fake science is real, and meaningful, and important. They need that Safe Space because their dumb idea doesn't survive contact with the actual scientific real world.

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Posted: June 12 2018,10:21

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You know your time at UD is limited when Barry writes an OP with your name in it.

UD really is just a Safe Space where a dozen cranks can pretend their fake science is real, and meaningful, and important. They need that Safe Space because their dumb idea doesn't survive contact with the actual scientific real world.

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Posted: June 12 2018,11:37

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Posted: June 12 2018,12:35

Sorry about that, Chief.

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Posted: June 12 2018,15:58

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Why is the objectivity of Mathematics an important (& ID-relevant) question?

June 12, 2018 Posted by kairosfocus under agit-prop, opinion manipulation and well-poisoning games, Darwinist rhetorical tactics, Epistemology (the study of knowledge and its conditions), Logic and First Principles of right reason, Mathematics, reason, Selective Hyperskepticism, warrant, knowledge, science and belief

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I bet there's some Ctrl-V comin his way

Posted: June 12 2018,16:02

Allan Keith to Silver Asiatic:

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Allan KeithJune 12, 2018 at 1:46 pm
SA,

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Why not let them kill themselves, or at least make it easy for them to do that?

Please don’t play the same juvenile word games that StephenB and BA77 do. You are more honest than that.

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Posted: June 13 2018,16:01

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Why is the objectivity of Mathematics an important (& ID-relevant) question?

June 12, 2018 Posted by kairosfocus under agit-prop, opinion manipulation and well-poisoning games, Darwinist rhetorical tactics, Epistemology (the study of knowledge and its conditions), Logic and First Principles of right reason, Mathematics, reason, Selective Hyperskepticism, warrant, knowledge, science and belief

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Stimulating exchange of ideas!

22 comments, of which 16 are by Mullings.

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Posted: June 13 2018,16:29

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Allan KeithJune 13, 2018 at 10:03 am
Tom Robbins,

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Darwin was a racists – the full title of his Origin of a species was “On the origin of species by means of natural selection, or the preservation of favoured races in the struggle for life.

I was wondering when this nonsense would be brought up.

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Posted: June 13 2018,16:56

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Eugene SJune 13, 2018 at 7:25 am
KF

Yes, from the point of view of reasonably reliable warrant concerning natural phenomena of this world, I agree with you. However, there is reality that cannot be covered by any reasonably reliable warrant whatsoever. Uncreated divine energy of God that has brought the world into being and sustains it, is not subject to analysis because it surpasses any human reason, as St Dionysius the Ariopagite points out.

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kairosfocusJune 13, 2018 at 7:31 am
ES, is that the Dionysius of Ac 17? I’d love to see writings tracing to him. God is of course the ultimate and ultimately rational mind. We can catch a glimpse of a shadow, at least and in that sense think his thoughts after him, being in his image. KF

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Eugene SJune 13, 2018 at 7:32 am
KF,

Furthermore, while man can experience Divine grace, the nature of God is completely unknowable.

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Eugene SJune 13, 2018 at 7:36 am
KF,

Yes, it is him. Even though there is on-going debate among contemporary historians about the attribution of the Corpus to him, Tradition points to him. I go with the Tradition 🙂

We do not know the nature of God, nor can we in principle. It is completely beyond man.

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kairosfocusJune 13, 2018 at 7:42 am
ES, while this is not a theology thread, I think you may be alluding to say Isa 55, where God’s ways and thoughts are as high beyond ours as the heavens are above the earth; also 1 Cor 1 which speaks to the frustration of human wisdom in inquiring on the ultimate truth of God in the context of the gospel. That said, rational communication between God and us is possible per the principle of revelation and that of prayer; the very texts in question claiming to be just such. So, I think some aspects of the Divine nature are cognisable for us, as say Rom 1:18 – 20 and 28 ff suggest also; implying we know enough to lack excuse for our wrongful behaviour and rebellion. But we cannot know him from our own resources as he fully is, we will be baffled by the gap. Back to Math. KF

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Posted: June 13 2018,18:26

Say it with me....

All science so far!!

Too bad they're constantly getting derailed from their groundbreaking science! by those pesky materialists.

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Posted: June 13 2018,20:47

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Allan KeithJune 13, 2018 at 10:03 am
Tom Robbins,

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Darwin was a racists – the full title of his Origin of a species was “On the origin of species by means of natural selection, or the preservation of favoured races in the struggle for life.

I was wondering when this nonsense would be brought up.

derp city

I'm reminded of our own DrGH's article responding to that very criticism posted almost exactly four years ago ...

(yessir, I lurk your blog from time to time)

The lie that Charles Darwin was a racist.

Coincidentally, another article on the topic was posted just yesterday. However this one is intended to rebut a specific claim about Dwarin supporting Francis Galton's view of eugenics and that he also allegedly decried social welfare programs as harmful to mankind.

More "Dwarin was a Racist Bull

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Posted: June 14 2018,08:06

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Allan KeithJune 13, 2018 at 10:03 am
Tom Robbins,

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Darwin was a racists – the full title of his Origin of a species was “On the origin of species by means of natural selection, or the preservation of favoured races in the struggle for life.

I was wondering when this nonsense would be brought up.

derp city

I'm reminded of our own DrGH's article responding to that very criticism posted almost exactly four years ago ...

(yessir, I lurk your blog from time to time)

The lie that Charles Darwin was a racist.

Coincidentally, another article on the topic was posted just yesterday. However this one is intended to rebut a specific claim about Dwarin supporting Francis Galton's view of eugenics and that he also allegedly decried social welfare programs as harmful to mankind.

More "Dwarin was a Racist Bull

( sic :p )

It's pathetic that they resort to that tired old trope when they're cornered. Their entire oeuvre is based on their superiority due to their concept of a white Jesus never mind that he was a rabbi. Not that there is anything wrong with that. I'm sure i could amuse myself for hours asking Gordo that question if i was wearing a magenta dress and copious amounts of lipstick in a darkened bar on Montserrat on a Saturday night during the world cup.

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Posted: June 14 2018,08:28

Quote (Lethean @ June 13 2018,18:47)

I'm reminded of our own DrGH's article responding to that very criticism posted almost exactly four years ago ...

(yessir, I lurk your blog from time to time)

The lie that Charles Darwin was a racist.

Coincidentally, another article on the topic was posted just yesterday. However this one is intended to rebut a specific claim about Dwarin supporting Francis Galton's view of eugenics and that he also allegedly decried social welfare programs as harmful to mankind.

More "Dwarin was a Racist Bull

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Wow. I wondered if anyone reads that stuff.

PS: Inspired, I fixed links and misspelling. I even added a little.

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Posted: June 14 2018,12:33

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goodusernameJune 14, 2018 at 11:01 am
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But neither Agassiz nor these other figures had nearly the effect on culture that Darwin did. Darwin’s version of racism got inherited and the polygenists’ didn’t.

Yes, with the arrival of Darwinism, the most extreme racist – yet mainstream- views, were dealt a major blow.

With the arrival of Darwinism, the mainstream view became that all human races shared a common ancestor – a recent one, and are much more alike than they are different.

So, yes, thank goodness that Darwin supplanted the leading scientists of his day in regards to culture.

But does Darwinism still leave room for racism? Absolutely.

One can still easily make the claim that some races are more intelligent than others, or shares more simian features than others, etc. Such views continued to be mainstream for years. But soon after 1859, anyone claiming that the races are unrelated, and/or that some races are closer to apes than to other races, would be mock and denounced. Darwin took a giant step in the right direction in arguing for how alike humans of all races are, he just didn’t go far enough. Darwin knew that much of the anthropology of his age was wrong, he just didn’t realize how wrong it was.

What’s revisionism is to claim that racist views gained respectability or became more common after Darwin.

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