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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2018,12:35   

Sad that Joe has to hang out in creationist Safe Spaces because he doesn't have the brains for open discussion.

   
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2018,13:04   

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Allan KeithJune 14, 2018 at 9:47 am
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And yes, TE’s reject ID because ID claims that we can detect intelligent design in nature whereas TE’s claim that we cannot except for things that humans do.

When you finally detect design in nature, make sure you publish it so that the world can know. The Nobel awaits anyone who does this.


linky

AFAIK, it's not that we couldn't detect "design" in nature, it's that (aside from our own contributions to it) we haven't.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2018,13:07   

Quote (stevestory @ June 14 2018,12:35)
Sad that Joe has to hang out in creationist Safe Spaces because he doesn't have the brains for open discussion.

I wonder how much of Joe's problem is that he's dumb and how much is that he has a hard time learning anything because even the most benign correction is met with white hot rage.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2018,13:16   

Quote (Henry J @ June 14 2018,13:04)
Quote (stevestory @ June 14 2018,11:34)
 
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Allan KeithJune 14, 2018 at 9:47 am
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And yes, TE’s reject ID because ID claims that we can detect intelligent design in nature whereas TE’s claim that we cannot except for things that humans do.

When you finally detect design in nature, make sure you publish it so that the world can know. The Nobel awaits anyone who does this.


linky

AFAIK, it's not that we couldn't detect "design" in nature, it's that (aside from our own contributions to it) we haven't.

If the Designer used some method other than magic, I would think so.  But, of course, they never want to talk about exactly how Jesus this Designer operates.  Except that it hates gays, abortion, etc.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2018,14:08   

Quote (Texas Teach @ June 14 2018,14:07)
Quote (stevestory @ June 14 2018,12:35)
Sad that Joe has to hang out in creationist Safe Spaces because he doesn't have the brains for open discussion.

I wonder how much of Joe's problem is that he's dumb and how much is that he has a hard time learning anything because even the most benign correction is met with white hot rage.

A big part of it is education. He lacks basic math skills, doesn't understand geometry, trig, or probability, and it's hard to think about science very effectively if your math skills are below average. And evolution is fundamentally about changes in gene frequencies in populations, so trying to understand that when you don't understand Probability 101 must be next to impossible. He doesn't understand basic chemistry or basic physics (The CO2 molecules have to be lined up in the same direction!) and is hostile to basic findings in several sciences, so the result is hopeless.

He's got the perfect brain for UD though.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2018,15:56   

Quote (stevestory @ June 14 2018,12:08)
Quote (Texas Teach @ June 14 2018,14:07)
Quote (stevestory @ June 14 2018,12:35)
Sad that Joe has to hang out in creationist Safe Spaces because he doesn't have the brains for open discussion.

I wonder how much of Joe's problem is that he's dumb and how much is that he has a hard time learning anything because even the most benign correction is met with white hot rage.

A big part of it is education. He lacks basic math skills, doesn't understand geometry, trig, or probability, and it's hard to think about science very effectively if your math skills are below average. And evolution is fundamentally about changes in gene frequencies in populations, so trying to understand that when you don't understand Probability 101 must be next to impossible. He doesn't understand basic chemistry or basic physics (The CO2 molecules have to be lined up in the same direction!) and is hostile to basic findings in several sciences, so the result is hopeless.

He's got the perfect brain for UD though.

What makes him a truly hopeless case is that he doesn't understand that he doesn't understand.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2018,16:14   

Quote (JohnW @ June 14 2018,13:56)
Quote (stevestory @ June 14 2018,12:08)
Quote (Texas Teach @ June 14 2018,14:07)
 
Quote (stevestory @ June 14 2018,12:35)
Sad that Joe has to hang out in creationist Safe Spaces because he doesn't have the brains for open discussion.

I wonder how much of Joe's problem is that he's dumb and how much is that he has a hard time learning anything because even the most benign correction is met with white hot rage.

A big part of it is education. He lacks basic math skills, doesn't understand geometry, trig, or probability, and it's hard to think about science very effectively if your math skills are below average. And evolution is fundamentally about changes in gene frequencies in populations, so trying to understand that when you don't understand Probability 101 must be next to impossible. He doesn't understand basic chemistry or basic physics (The CO2 molecules have to be lined up in the same direction!) and is hostile to basic findings in several sciences, so the result is hopeless.

He's got the perfect brain for UD though.

What makes him a truly hopeless case is that he doesn't understand that he doesn't understand.

The first rule of Dunning-Kruger Club....

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2018,17:08   

But if he was designed then he would understand, so that's evidence against "design".

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2018,17:25   

On the Darwin was a racist thread.

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Allan Keith June 14, 2018 at 4:00 pm
BA77 at 30, 31 and 32. Nice Gish gallop. Oops. I apologize. I forgot that it is morally unacceptable to slander anyone on UD who is no longer alive to defend themselves.

  
fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2018,17:47   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ June 14 2018,15:25)
On the Darwin was a racist thread.

   
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Allan Keith June 14, 2018 at 4:00 pm
BA77 at 30, 31 and 32. Nice Gish gallop. Oops. I apologize. I forgot that it is morally unacceptable to slander anyone on UD who is no longer alive to defend themselves.



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Ptaylor



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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2018,19:31   

Ha - it now reads:
     
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Allan KeithJune 14, 2018 at 4:00 pm

BA77 at 30, 31 and 32. [SNIP– slander]. Oops. I apologize. I forgot that it is morally unacceptable to slander anyone on UD who is no longer alive to defend themselves. 🙂 🙂 🙂

BA’s response:
       
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bornagain77June 14, 2018 at 5:09 pm

Allan Keith, and how many times before have you been banned from UD for trollish behavior?
I have no qualms against lodging a grievance against you if you take to trolling me.
Unlike Darwinists, I provide actual empirical evidence for my claims.
And can provide much more.
The proper response on your part, (since you apparently have no clue what a proper response is), would have been for you to provide real time empirical evidence for your belief in human evolution.
Since I have been down this road for years and know for a fact that you have no evidence that can withstand scrutiny, you are reduced to trollish behavior. That’s all you have got left.
It is intellectually dishonest and, frankly, pathetic on your part to be so disingenuous to the evidence we now have in hand.
I have no time for your childish antics.
But feel free to try your luck at trolling me again.

Stop making fun of me or I’ll run to MommyBarry!
My bold, both cases.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 15 2018,02:18   

Quote (fnxtr @ June 14 2018,16:14)
Quote (JohnW @ June 14 2018,13:56)
Quote (stevestory @ June 14 2018,12:08)
 
Quote (Texas Teach @ June 14 2018,14:07)
 
Quote (stevestory @ June 14 2018,12:35)
Sad that Joe has to hang out in creationist Safe Spaces because he doesn't have the brains for open discussion.

I wonder how much of Joe's problem is that he's dumb and how much is that he has a hard time learning anything because even the most benign correction is met with white hot rage.

A big part of it is education. He lacks basic math skills, doesn't understand geometry, trig, or probability, and it's hard to think about science very effectively if your math skills are below average. And evolution is fundamentally about changes in gene frequencies in populations, so trying to understand that when you don't understand Probability 101 must be next to impossible. He doesn't understand basic chemistry or basic physics (The CO2 molecules have to be lined up in the same direction!) and is hostile to basic findings in several sciences, so the result is hopeless.

He's got the perfect brain for UD though.

What makes him a truly hopeless case is that he doesn't understand that he doesn't understand.

The first rule of Dunning-Kruger Club....

... is never ask "who's got the best skills for this job?"

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Lethean



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(Permalink) Posted: June 15 2018,07:37   

Quote (Dr.GH @ June 14 2018,08:28)
Quote (Lethean @ June 13 2018,18:47)
I'm reminded of our own DrGH's article responding to that very criticism posted almost exactly four years ago ...

(yessir, I lurk your blog from time to time)

The lie that Charles Darwin was a racist.

Coincidentally, another article on the topic was posted just yesterday. However this one is intended to rebut a specific claim about Dwarin supporting Francis Galton's view of eugenics and that he also allegedly decried social welfare programs as harmful to mankind.

More "Dwarin was a Racist Bull

( sic :p )

Wow. I wondered if anyone reads that stuff. :D

PS: Inspired, I fixed links and misspelling. I even added a little.


Happy to be an anyone.   ;)




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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 15 2018,08:08   

Quote (Ptaylor @ June 14 2018,20:31)
Ha - it now reads:
       
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Allan KeithJune 14, 2018 at 4:00 pm

BA77 at 30, 31 and 32. [SNIP– slander]. Oops. I apologize. I forgot that it is morally unacceptable to slander anyone on UD who is no longer alive to defend themselves. 🙂 🙂 🙂

BA’s response:
       
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bornagain77June 14, 2018 at 5:09 pm

Allan Keith, and how many times before have you been banned from UD for trollish behavior?
I have no qualms against lodging a grievance against you if you take to trolling me.
Unlike Darwinists, I provide actual empirical evidence for my claims.
And can provide much more.
The proper response on your part, (since you apparently have no clue what a proper response is), would have been for you to provide real time empirical evidence for your belief in human evolution.
Since I have been down this road for years and know for a fact that you have no evidence that can withstand scrutiny, you are reduced to trollish behavior. That’s all you have got left.
It is intellectually dishonest and, frankly, pathetic on your part to be so disingenuous to the evidence we now have in hand.
I have no time for your childish antics.
But feel free to try your luck at trolling me again.

Stop making fun of me or I’ll run to MommyBarry!
My bold, both cases.

They had to snip it so they wouldn't be Triggered. Creationist Safe Space.

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 15 2018,15:33   

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Allan KeithJune 15, 2018 at 1:00 pm
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It is so important because it means everything, duh.

Are you saying that if it turns out that humans have no inherent higher meaning, imbued in us by some god, that you would be incapable of having a meaningful life? How sad.


lol

   
JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: June 15 2018,16:45   

Quote (stevestory @ June 15 2018,13:33)
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Allan KeithJune 15, 2018 at 1:00 pm
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It is so important because it means everything, duh.

Are you saying that if it turns out that humans have no inherent higher meaning, imbued in us by some god, that you would be incapable of having a meaningful life? How sad.


lol

"Spending one's days flinging poo at scientists" does rather stretch the definition of "having a meaningful life."

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Texas Teach



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(Permalink) Posted: June 15 2018,18:13   

Quote (JohnW @ June 15 2018,16:45)
Quote (stevestory @ June 15 2018,13:33)
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Allan KeithJune 15, 2018 at 1:00 pm
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It is so important because it means everything, duh.

Are you saying that if it turns out that humans have no inherent higher meaning, imbued in us by some god, that you would be incapable of having a meaningful life? How sad.


lol

"Spending one's days flinging poo at scientists" does rather stretch the definition of "having a meaningful life."

How about spending a bit of each day flinging jokes at creationists?

Asking for a friend.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 16 2018,07:11   

Quote (Ptaylor @ June 14 2018,20:31)
Ha - it now reads:
         
Quote
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Allan KeithJune 14, 2018 at 4:00 pm

BA77 at 30, 31 and 32. [SNIP– slander]. Oops. I apologize. I forgot that it is morally unacceptable to slander anyone on UD who is no longer alive to defend themselves. 🙂 🙂 🙂

BA’s response:
         
Quote
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bornagain77June 14, 2018 at 5:09 pm

Allan Keith, and how many times before have you been banned from UD for trollish behavior?
I have no qualms against lodging a grievance against you if you take to trolling me.
Unlike Darwinists, I provide actual empirical evidence for my claims.
And can provide much more.
The proper response on your part, (since you apparently have no clue what a proper response is), would have been for you to provide real time empirical evidence for your belief in human evolution.
Since I have been down this road for years and know for a fact that you have no evidence that can withstand scrutiny, you are reduced to trollish behavior. That’s all you have got left.
It is intellectually dishonest and, frankly, pathetic on your part to be so disingenuous to the evidence we now have in hand.
I have no time for your childish antics.
But feel free to try your luck at trolling me again.

Stop making fun of me or I’ll run to MommyBarry!
My bold, both cases.

OK,  so change it to The Hovind Hustle.

Kent is still with us, AND he's a convicted felon!

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James 2:24

  
Jkrebs



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(Permalink) Posted: June 16 2018,07:56   

"Cunningham Canter"?

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 16 2018,10:33   

my bolding:
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From Chemistry World: Forensic science is “in crisis”

June 16, 2018 Posted by News under Culture, Forensics, Intelligent Design, Science
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Further to Why we should trust “science,” whatever that is, from a long form article by Rebecca Trager at Chemistry World: Concerns about forensic science have lurked for some time. Major science advisory bodies in the US and UK had warned about deficiencies in the field that require action. In 2013, the US National Institute […]


Derp

   
Texas Teach



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(Permalink) Posted: June 16 2018,11:17   

Quote (stevestory @ June 16 2018,10:33)
my bolding:
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From Chemistry World: Forensic science is “in crisis”

June 16, 2018 Posted by News under Culture, Forensics, Intelligent Design, Science
1 Comment

Further to Why we should trust “science,” whatever that is, from a long form article by Rebecca Trager at Chemistry World: Concerns about forensic science have lurked for some time. Major science advisory bodies in the US and UK had warned about deficiencies in the field that require action. In 2013, the US National Institute […]


Derp

But ID is science.  So we can't trust ID.  I'm so confused.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 16 2018,11:53   

Quote (Jkrebs @ June 16 2018,06:56)
"Cunningham Canter"?

I like it.

I've been thinking along the same lines since the Gish Gallop debacle.

Along those lines, let's not forget about our dearest lemmings-with-fishing-reels-headed-for-the-cliff-of-no-return-accompanied-by-oily-straw men-alit-and-smoking-clouding-the-path-to-the-destruction-of-civilization word-wall obscurist.

Mullings Meander?

Mullings Maelstrom?

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 16 2018,16:56   

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Correcting Misinformation about ID: Yet Another Irresponsible Critic in the BioLogos Comments Section

June 16, 2018 Posted by eddieunmuzzled under Intelligent Design
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ID proponents have many times noted that at BioLogos, both management figures and columnists have distorted and deformed the facts about ID theory and the Discovery Institute.  But perhaps even more damaging to the accurate public perception of ID are the comments which fill the BioLogos discussion boards.  The negative comments about ID coming from BioLogos readers are not only more numerous than those which appear in actual BioLogos articles, but also more unrestrained and extreme, and generally speaking (because the BioLogos boards are frequented overwhelmingly by people who are anti-ID), they go unchallenged.
...
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(Permalink) Posted: June 16 2018,17:31   

This thread keeps it alive. :D

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 16 2018,18:09   

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Attention should also be drawn to the closure of the National Commission of Forensic Science by AG Jeff Sessions and the termination of a review of FBI evidence standards. Just as the flaws in forensic science are becoming apparent, the government suspends any attempt to raise standards and restore credibility? Why would that be? Well, if I were a conspiracy theorist (which, for the record, I’m not) perhaps it suits certain individuals to keep the question-mark over expert testimony in place as this may have a bearing on any charges these individuals may have to answer in court in the future.
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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2018,01:20   

For a rather bizzare thread, check out  Bill Dembski on artificial intelligence's homunculus problem.

First, it marks the return of Dr. Dr. William Dembski to his old stomping grounds at Uncommon Descent.  After being shit-canned from the Discovery Institute, he had announced that he was switching to solving the problems of education and devising a new digital currency.  

Unfortunately, Doc Doc's qualifications in education consisted of being a college student for ever and ever and then getting his teaching butt shit-canned from a respectable college AND a religious college.  Plus publishing the names, home addresses, private email addresses and residential phone numbers of the entire Baylor Board of Regents.  Because he thought it would help his cause.  Think JoeG calling random Baylor Reagants and giving them  his unique perspective on the case. Yeah.

Not too surprisingly, the offers to teach have not come flooding in.  Worse, the bottom has dropped out of Bitcoin, whose sky-high run-up in prices seems to have been the result of market manipulation.  This has taken a lot of the shine off the whole digital currency field.   Worse still, the digital currency field seems to be filled with people who actually know what they're doing - things like how to program a high end video card to mine bitcoins hundreds of times faster that the most powerful microprocessors can.  Curiously, this is a form of mathematical searching so you'd think that Dr. Dr. Search would take  to it like a duck to water, but apparently not.

Well, at least there's still good ol' Uncommon Descent, which Doc Doc D actually started back in those heady days when ID Was the Future and where he will always be respected as the Blog's founder . . . and then Batshit77 comes out against him!

I'm not going to paste BS77's "arguments" because they mostly reduce to his usual mind-numbing blather, including generous use of the word "quantum", but check this snark:              
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If humans do not have the capacity of “looking under the hood (lifting the tops of their skulls?) and therewith identifying their own Goedel sentence”, then please prey tell how Dr. Dembski (and others) were able to identify the fallacy of the Homunculus argument in the first place?
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It would seem that Dr. Dembski’s appeal to the Homunculus argument itself directly refutes his claim that humans don’t have the capability of, so to speak, looking under the hood (lifting the tops of their skulls?) and therewith identifying their own Goedel sentence.

Adding salt to the wound, BS77 then does the absolute public service of exhuming one of Michael Egnor's choicest bits of Tard.  I'm actually grateful for this because I'm sure I never would have seen it otherwise.  This section is well worth quoting:          
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I would also like to note that the Homunculus argument is very friendly to Dr. Michael Egnor’s (Theistic) contention (via Aristotle) that “Perception at a distance is no more inconceivable than action at a distance.”

Perception and the Cartesian Theater – Michael Egnor – December 8, 2015
Excerpt: Perception at a distance is no more inconceivable than action at a distance. The notion that a perception of the moon occurs at the moon is “bizarre” (Torley’s word) only if one presumes that perception is constrained by distance and local conditions — perhaps perception would get tired if it had to go to the moon or it wouldn’t be able to go because it’s too cold there. Yet surely the view that the perception of a rose held up to my eye was located at the rose wouldn’t be deemed nearly as bizarre. At what distance does perception of an object at the object become inconceivable?
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2.....0....71.html

It should be noted that Dr. Torley strongly objected to Dr. Egnor’s argument for ‘perception at a distance’.

Specifically, Dr. Torley held that perception cannot possibly be at a Supernova which “ceased to exist nearly 200 millennia ago, long before the dawn of human history.”

The Squid and the Supernova: A Reply to Professor Egnor – December 9, 2015 – vjtorley
Excerpt: In February 1987, a supernova appeared in the Southern skies, and remained visible for several months. ,,, The problem is that the object itself ceased to exist nearly 200 millennia ago, long before the dawn of human history. Even if the squid that witnessed the explosion were capable of having perceptions which are located in intergalactic space, as Egnor contends, they are surely incapable of having perceptions which go back in time.
,,,perception is a bodily event, and that an event involving my body cannot take place at a point which is separate from my body. An event involving my body may occur inside my body, or at the surface of my body, but never separately from it. Thus it simply makes no sense to assert that I am here, at point X, but that my perceptions – or for that matter, my actions – are located at an external point Y.
[URL=https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/the-squid-and-the-supernova-a-reply-to-professor-egnor/
And then he throws in another quantum to seal the deal        
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Besides the Homunculus argument undermining Dr. Torley’s claim that perception cannot possibly be at a distance, advances in Quantum Mechanics now also, empirically, undermines Dr. Torley’s claim:
BS kind of peters out there, no doubt nursing severely strained cut-n-paste fingers, but out of nowhere and for no discernable reason,  johnnyb, whose secret identity is the Blyth Institute, chimes in:      
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5 johnnyb June 15, 2018 at 4:05 pm

Also related is an old video I did about “Solving Engineering Problems Using Theology”:

[URL=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVeWBM1J-NE

Check it out.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2018,09:08   

Silver Asiatic:
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At one time I would have given a socially-correct response, and I’m too cowardly to say such a thing in public (I’m getting a bit more courage in my old age), but thanks to the anonymity here I’ll say it … I don’t think women should have the right to vote. Islamic society seems very successful without granting this right, so I don’t see it as necessary for a culture to progress and flourish.

Link

  
Lethean



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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2018,09:16   

Quote (CeilingCat @ June 17 2018,01:20)
For a rather bizzare thread, check out  Bill Dembski on artificial intelligence's homunculus problem.

First, it marks the return of Dr. Dr. William Dembski to his old stomping grounds at Uncommon Descent.  After being shit-canned from the Discovery Institute, he had announced that he was switching to solving the problems of education and devising a new digital currency.  

Unfortunately, Doc Doc's qualifications in education consisted of being a college student for ever and ever and then getting his teaching butt shit-canned from a respectable college AND a religious college.  Plus publishing the names, home addresses, private email addresses and residential phone numbers of the entire Baylor Board of Regents.  Because he thought it would help his cause.  Think JoeG calling random Baylor Reagants and giving them  his unique perspective on the case. Yeah.

Not too surprisingly, the offers to teach have not come flooding in.  Worse, the bottom has dropped out of Bitcoin, whose sky-high run-up in prices seems to have been the result of market manipulation.  This has taken a lot of the shine off the whole digital currency field.   Worse still, the digital currency field seems to be filled with people who actually know what they're doing - things like how to program a high end video card to mine bitcoins hundreds of times faster that the most powerful microprocessors can.  Curiously, this is a form of mathematical searching so you'd think that Dr. Dr. Search would take  to it like a duck to water, but apparently not.

Well, at least there's still good ol' Uncommon Descent, which Doc Doc D actually started back in those heady days when ID Was the Future and where he will always be respected as the Blog's founder . . . and then Batshit77 comes out against him!

I'm not going to paste BS77's "arguments" because they mostly reduce to his usual mind-numbing blather, including generous use of the word "quantum", but check this snark:                
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If humans do not have the capacity of “looking under the hood (lifting the tops of their skulls?) and therewith identifying their own Goedel sentence”, then please prey tell how Dr. Dembski (and others) were able to identify the fallacy of the Homunculus argument in the first place?
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It would seem that Dr. Dembski’s appeal to the Homunculus argument itself directly refutes his claim that humans don’t have the capability of, so to speak, looking under the hood (lifting the tops of their skulls?) and therewith identifying their own Goedel sentence.

Adding salt to the wound, BS77 then does the absolute public service of exhuming one of Michael Egnor's choicest bits of Tard.  I'm actually grateful for this because I'm sure I never would have seen it otherwise.  This section is well worth quoting:            
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I would also like to note that the Homunculus argument is very friendly to Dr. Michael Egnor’s (Theistic) contention (via Aristotle) that “Perception at a distance is no more inconceivable than action at a distance.”

Perception and the Cartesian Theater – Michael Egnor – December 8, 2015
Excerpt: Perception at a distance is no more inconceivable than action at a distance. The notion that a perception of the moon occurs at the moon is “bizarre” (Torley’s word) only if one presumes that perception is constrained by distance and local conditions — perhaps perception would get tired if it had to go to the moon or it wouldn’t be able to go because it’s too cold there. Yet surely the view that the perception of a rose held up to my eye was located at the rose wouldn’t be deemed nearly as bizarre. At what distance does perception of an object at the object become inconceivable?
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2.....0....71.html

It should be noted that Dr. Torley strongly objected to Dr. Egnor’s argument for ‘perception at a distance’.

Specifically, Dr. Torley held that perception cannot possibly be at a Supernova which “ceased to exist nearly 200 millennia ago, long before the dawn of human history.”

The Squid and the Supernova: A Reply to Professor Egnor – December 9, 2015 – vjtorley
Excerpt: In February 1987, a supernova appeared in the Southern skies, and remained visible for several months. ,,, The problem is that the object itself ceased to exist nearly 200 millennia ago, long before the dawn of human history. Even if the squid that witnessed the explosion were capable of having perceptions which are located in intergalactic space, as Egnor contends, they are surely incapable of having perceptions which go back in time.
,,,perception is a bodily event, and that an event involving my body cannot take place at a point which is separate from my body. An event involving my body may occur inside my body, or at the surface of my body, but never separately from it. Thus it simply makes no sense to assert that I am here, at point X, but that my perceptions – or for that matter, my actions – are located at an external point Y.
[URL=https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/the-squid-and-the-supernova-a-reply-to-professor-egnor/
And then he throws in another quantum to seal the deal          
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Besides the Homunculus argument undermining Dr. Torley’s claim that perception cannot possibly be at a distance, advances in Quantum Mechanics now also, empirically, undermines Dr. Torley’s claim:
BS kind of peters out there, no doubt nursing severely strained cut-n-paste fingers, but out of nowhere and for no discernable reason,  johnnyb, whose secret identity is the Blyth Institute, chimes in:          
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5 johnnyb June 15, 2018 at 4:05 pm

Also related is an old video I did about “Solving Engineering Problems Using Theology”:

[URL=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVeWBM1J-NE

Check it out.


What all you fools are overlooking is the fact that god created the perception of that supernova already in transit 6,000 years ago.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2018,09:25   

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Not too surprisingly, the offers to teach have not come flooding in.  Worse, the bottom has dropped out of Bitcoin, whose sky-high run-up in prices seems to have been the result of market manipulation.  This has taken a lot of the shine off the whole digital currency field.   Worse still, the digital currency field seems to be filled with people who actually know what they're doing - things like how to program a high end video card to mine bitcoins hundreds of times faster that the most powerful microprocessors can.  Curiously, this is a form of mathematical searching so you'd think that Dr. Dr. Search would take  to it like a duck to water, but apparently not.

one of my micro-hobbies is checking bitcoin weekly and laughing and posting the price on Facebook. Last December it hit $19,783. It is currently ~$6500. Suck on it Libertardians. :-P

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2018,09:32   

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At one time I would have given a socially-correct response, and I’m too cowardly to say such a thing in public (I’m getting a bit more courage in my old age), but thanks to the anonymity here I’ll say it … I don’t think women should have the right to vote. Islamic society seems very successful without granting this right, so I don’t see it as necessary for a culture to progress and flourish.

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Saudi Arabia issued drivers licenses to ten women just ahead of lifting the ban on women driving in that country.

Damn commie socialist leftist progressives are ruining everything.

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