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Hermagoras Posts: 1260 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,16:03    Quote (Annyday @ Dec. 20 2007,15:38) This is dated today, has anyone else seen it yet? Intelligent Design at Baylor University: The Rise and Fall of Baylor University’s Michael Polanyi Center Man. I have to read this all the way through. :D That's old stuff.  Where is it dated today? -------------- "I am not currently proving that objective morality is true. I did that a long time ago and you missed it." -- StephenB http://paralepsis.blogspot.com/....pot.com

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,16:12    Unlucky Suckas. Dembski has played you for fools. http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....ulation Quote 20 December 2007 The Upside of Amazon Manipulation William Dembski THE DESIGN OF LIFE is being shamelessly manipulated by the Darwinists at Amazon (go here). Not only are they posting negative reviews that give no indication that the reviewers have read the book but they are also voting up their negative reviews so that these are the first to be seen by potential buyers. Even though this behavior by Darwinists may seem unjust, there are two upsides: (1) As the saying goes, there’s no negative publicity. Sales are brisk, especially through www.thedesignoflife.net. (2) I’ve been talking with the producers of EXPELLED (www.expelledthemovie.com) about making this book a companion volume to Ben Stein’s film. Thanks PZ Myers, Wesley Elsberry, Peter Irons, and others for strengthening my hand in these negotiations. He doesn't sound bitter at all. Funny how "manipulated by the Darwinists at Amazon" is different from "But if you think that the information service that Bill Dembski has provided you here for years - out of his own resources - is worthwhile, go to Amazon and vote up the reviews that sound like the person has actually READ the book. Vote the others down." http://www.uncommondescent.com/the-des....rmation -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Annyday Posts: 583 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,16:14    Design Inference, Dembski's "academic papers" site. It claims to have some new material somewhere in there, which it might. I hadn't seen any of it, though. I'm finding it really really funny, too. Dembski thinks that by assailing naturalism he can restore meaning and faith to the sciences in such a way as to differentiate atheistic science from non-atheistic science. Yet ID says nothing about meaning or faith, and is therefore science, supposedly. It's very good doublethink. It's also kind of funny that he thinks naturalistic means something other than "concerning only things which we can measure and quantify". Well, funny to see it drawn out at length. -------------- "ALL eight of the "nature" miracles of Jesus could have been accomplished via the electroweak quantum tunneling mechanism. For example, walking on water could be accomplished by directing a neutrino beam created just below Jesus' feet downward." - Frank Tipler, ISCID fellow

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4991 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,16:22    That's nice, Bill. I still plan to attend your next deposition, whenever your antievolution snake oil gets bought by another school board. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,16:23    Can I come? I don't each much* *lie. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Occam's Toothbrush Posts: 555 Joined: April 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,16:25    Quote (Mister DNA @ Dec. 20 2007,16:38)   Quote (Occam's Toothbrush @ Dec. 20 2007,15:35)     Quote (sparc @ Dec. 20 2007,15:38) Dembski himself developed from a few Kg to about 70-80 Kg. When did Dembski lose 20 Kg?  Girly-man looks about 60 max to me. That sweater has gotta add 10 pounds at the very least. The sweater wears him. -------------- "Molecular stuff seems to me not to be biology as much as it is a more atomic element of life" --Creo nut Robert Byers ------ "You need your arrogant ass kicked, and I would LOVE to be the guy who does it. Where do you live?" --Anger Management Problem Concern Troll "Kris"

Annyday Posts: 583 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,16:45    If publicity and sales are the only upsides you see to being paid attention, even overwhelmingly scornful and negative attention, you just might not be doing real science. -------------- "ALL eight of the "nature" miracles of Jesus could have been accomplished via the electroweak quantum tunneling mechanism. For example, walking on water could be accomplished by directing a neutrino beam created just below Jesus' feet downward." - Frank Tipler, ISCID fellow

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,16:54    Quote (Annyday @ Dec. 20 2007,16:45) If publicity and sales are the only upsides you see to being paid attention, even overwhelmingly scornful and negative attention, you just might not be doing real science. Since tardologues have apparently played out, we don't really have any good running jokes anymore (other than LOLCats). But, I think you have just hit upon a new joke. With apologies to Jeff Foxworthy, Annyday presents: Quote If you.......................you just might not be doing real science. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,16:59    Quote (carlsonjok @ Dec. 20 2007,16:54) Since tardologues have apparently played out, ALRIGHT SHUT UP AND LISTEN BECUASE I'M TALKING. TARDOLOGUES HAVE NOT PLAYED OUT, NOR ARE THEY IN DECLINE OR LESS FUNNY THAN ORIGIONALY THOUGHT. YOUR JUST PARROTIGN TEH HOMO LEFTIST ELELTIST IVORY-TOWER MOMMA-WAS-A-MONKEY CHRURCHBURNING RELIGIOUS CLAPTRAP THAT STERNBERGER STORY PUTS OUT. WHAT FOX NEWS - GET AN INDEPENDENT VIEWPOINT. ONCE TEH ESTABLISHMENT WAKES UP AND SEES THE DOGMA OF 'NORMAL, REALITY BASED POSTS' FOR WHAT THEY ARE NO ONE WILL USE THEM ANYMORE AND TARDOLOGUES WILL THE BE MAIN STREAM. EDIT: WE ALSO HAVE EDIT JOKES. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,17:03    Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 20 2007,16:59)     Quote (carlsonjok @ Dec. 20 2007,16:54) Since tardologues have apparently played out, ONCE TEH ESTABLISHMENT WAKES UP AND SEES THE DOGMA OF 'NORMAL, REALITY BASED POSTS' FOR WHAT THEY ARE NO ONE WILL USE THEM ANYMORE AND TARDOLOGUES WILL THE BE MAIN STREAM. I've never thought of your tardologues as streams. More like piles. Quote EDIT: WE ALSO HAVE EDIT JOKES. Edit:I always thought of them as the internet equivalent of pulling FtK's pigtails.  Fun, but not funny. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,17:11    Quote (carlsonjok @ Dec. 20 2007,17:03)   Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 20 2007,16:59)         Quote (carlsonjok @ Dec. 20 2007,16:54) Since tardologues have apparently played out, ONCE TEH ESTABLISHMENT WAKES UP AND SEES THE DOGMA OF 'NORMAL, REALITY BASED POSTS' FOR WHAT THEY ARE NO ONE WILL USE THEM ANYMORE AND TARDOLOGUES WILL THE BE MAIN STREAM. I've never thought of your tardologues as streams. More like piles. Richard has given us all piles. I knew it.   Quote     Quote EDIT: WE ALSO HAVE EDIT JOKES. Edit:I always thought of them as the internet equivalent of pulling FtK's pigtails.  Fun, but not funny. So are the HA HA THIS IS YOU jokes all played out?   Complain to Lou. He's overdue to give us some new cartoons. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Hermagoras Posts: 1260 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,17:23    Quote (Annyday @ Dec. 20 2007,16:45) If publicity and sales are the only upsides you see to being paid attention, even overwhelmingly scornful and negative attention, you just might not be doing real science. A great idea!  But I think it should be "you just might be a  cdesign proponentsist."  F**k "w00t" -- cdesign proponentsist is the real word of the year.  (I know it came out with the Dover trial, but the PBS documentary brought it to a wider audience.) Quote If you say you're doing science while teaching theology . . . you just might be a cdesign proponentsist. If you're in an academic department that has disavowed your work on its home page . . . you just might be a cdesign proponentsist. Etc. -------------- "I am not currently proving that objective morality is true. I did that a long time ago and you missed it." -- StephenB http://paralepsis.blogspot.com/....pot.com

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,17:50    Very interesting. -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,17:50    Quote (carlsonjok @ Dec. 20 2007,17:03)   Quote EDIT: WE ALSO HAVE EDIT JOKES. Edit:I always thought of them as the internet equivalent of pulling FtK's pigtails.  Fun, but not funny. That's because you just don't appreciate the fine art of pigtail pulling.  It's almost as fun and funny as burning churches and spreading ebola.  Plus there's girls. Loser.     Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Dec. 20 2007,18:11) Complain to Lou. He's overdue to give us some new cartoons   Well if I spend all my time bouncing youse guys to the powder room, I can't exactly be off gallivanting and writing comic strips, now can I? ETA: Pulled pigtails. Edited by Lou FCD on Dec. 20 2007,18:51 -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Annyday Posts: 583 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,17:59    We can behave, now that we've been justly served. Well, there might be some toe-tapping bathroom antics from the brits, but other than that we can behave. Epic comics. C'mon. ETA: Pulling pigtails is mean. It shouldn't be done. -------------- "ALL eight of the "nature" miracles of Jesus could have been accomplished via the electroweak quantum tunneling mechanism. For example, walking on water could be accomplished by directing a neutrino beam created just below Jesus' feet downward." - Frank Tipler, ISCID fellow

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,18:20    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 20 2007,17:22) That's nice, Bill. I still plan to attend your next deposition, whenever your antievolution snake oil gets bought by another school board. This job comes with free tickets and a happy meal, right? RIGHT?? -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,19:34    Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 20 2007,17:50) Well if I spend all my time bouncing youse guys to the powder room, I can't exactly be off gallivanting and writing comic strips, now can I? :angry: Yeah, well, I saw that you bounced Wes to the Bathroom Wall last night.  Getting a little drunk with power*, are you? HAR HAR THIS IS YOU *You should be more like Steve. He is just plain drunk. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,19:38    Quiz.. who remembers the first HAR HAR THIS IS YOU? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Freelurker Posts: 82 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,19:42    Quote (Annyday @ Dec. 20 2007,16:38) This is dated today, has anyone else seen it yet? Intelligent Design at Baylor University: The Rise and Fall of Baylor University’s Michael Polanyi Center Man. I have to read this all the way through. :D That is the paper I was looking for when I made this comment here three days ago:       Quote (Freelurker @ Dec. 17 2007,19:44) I need some quick help. I'm trying to find a document I saw online a couple of years ago. Can't find it now (later I started saving this stuff.) It was written by Dembski about the time the Polanyi center was being considered/set up. As I recall, he was justifying it to the leaders of Baylor (or somebody). As I recall, in it there is a part where he says something to the effect that ultimately the purpose of science is to describe the natural world. My thanks to everyone involved in helping me find it again! [Waving to Dr. Dr. D ... ] -------------- Invoking intelligent design in science is like invoking gremlins in engineering. [after Mark Isaak.] All models are wrong, some models are useful. - George E. P. Box

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,19:46    Quote (carlsonjok @ Dec. 20 2007,20:34) Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 20 2007,17:50) Well if I spend all my time bouncing youse guys to the powder room, I can't exactly be off gallivanting and writing comic strips, now can I? :angry: Yeah, well, I saw that you bounced Wes to the Bathroom Wall last night.  Getting a little drunk with power*, are you? HAR HAR THIS IS YOU *You should be more like Steve. He is just plain drunk. reply on Bathroom Wall

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,19:56    Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 20 2007,20:38) Quiz.. who remembers the first HAR HAR THIS IS YOU? Wasn't it just before Davey left UD?  Seems like that was the time frame, when he was still inserting "You're outta here, homo" crap in other people's comments. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,19:56    Quote (Occam's Toothbrush @ Dec. 20 2007,17:25)   Quote (Mister DNA @ Dec. 20 2007,16:38)       Quote (Occam's Toothbrush @ Dec. 20 2007,15:35)         Quote (sparc @ Dec. 20 2007,15:38) Dembski himself developed from a few Kg to about 70-80 Kg. When did Dembski lose 20 Kg?  Girly-man looks about 60 max to me. That sweater has gotta add 10 pounds at the very least. The sweater wears him. Here's the conceit: -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,19:59    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Dec. 20 2007,20:56) Here's the conceit: I always thought it was more this: -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,20:20    Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 20 2007,20:56) Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 20 2007,20:38) Quiz.. who remembers the first HAR HAR THIS IS YOU? Wasn't it just before Davey left UD?  Seems like that was the time frame, when he was still inserting "You're outta here, homo" crap in other people's comments. I know I'm out of the loop around here these days, but Davetard left UD? To what extent, and what kind of evidence do we have on that?

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,20:28    Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 20 2007,21:20)     Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 20 2007,20:56)       Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 20 2007,20:38) Quiz.. who remembers the first HAR HAR THIS IS YOU? Wasn't it just before Davey left UD?  Seems like that was the time frame, when he was still inserting "You're outta here, homo" crap in other people's comments. I know I'm out of the loop around here these days, but Davetard left UD? To what extent, and what kind of evidence do we have on that? I think Lou is referring to the 30 days or so in July of '06 during which DaveTard stalked away from UD into JanieBell's virtual arms. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,20:29    Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 20 2007,21:20)   Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 20 2007,20:56)   Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 20 2007,20:38) Quiz.. who remembers the first HAR HAR THIS IS YOU? Wasn't it just before Davey left UD?  Seems like that was the time frame, when he was still inserting "You're outta here, homo" crap in other people's comments. I know I'm out of the loop around here these days, but Davetard left UD? To what extent, and what kind of evidence do we have on that? Same exact comment that spawned "Church Burnin' Ebola Boys"   Quote (DaveTard @ UDoJ @ July 18, 2006, 4:44PM) I hate to disappoint the church burnin’ ebola boys but I won’t be commenting on UD in the future. I just told the smarmy Canadian cross dresser to go fuck itself in an email. It would have banned me in any case as it’s nowhere near as cool as Bill Dembski. The stick up its disgusting ass could make a redwood feel inadequate. I’m going to go ahead and forgive Bill for this monumental brainfart as he’s going through some long term bad shit on the homefront with a sick child. I felt bad about bailing out on him at a time like this but he forced my hand. No big deal. I had a few extra hours today to finish rebuilding the carbs on my jetboat (it’s back together and running great) and throw a ball in the water for my puppy. He’s napping at my feet on the houseboat at the moment. I think we’ll go out for a swim and then take the jetboat for a longer validation run. P.S. if my dog was as ugly as the Canadian cross dresser I’d shave his ass and teach him to walk backwards. HAHAHA - I kill me sometimes! duh. Edited by Lou FCD on Dec. 20 2007,21:30 -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,20:32    oh, that time that he left. I thought you were referring to the recent speculations that Dave's been demoted. I heard some discussion of that, but nobody seemed to have anything conclusive.

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,20:35    Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 20 2007,21:32) oh, that time that he left. I thought you were referring to the recent speculations that Dave's been demoted. I heard some discussion of that, but nobody seemed to have anything conclusive. There's some speculation on what's going over there now, Steve, but nothing concrete.  He's still posting, and occasionally comments at UD (still in white), but he's not been himself lately. ETA:  He mostly posts on Global Climate Change denial lately, but really, I think what's missing is the sheer arrogance. C'mon Davey.  We miss the old you.  What's up? Edited by Lou FCD on Dec. 20 2007,21:38 -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,20:38    Quote he's not been himself lately. No, he hasn't. Has the above-ground banning totally dried up? Are they now silently banning people, without the big display of intolerance that we love to document? Edited by stevestory on Dec. 20 2007,21:40

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,20:41    Quote (Occam's Toothbrush @ Dec. 20 2007,17:25) The sweater wears him. "In Soviet Russia, dumpster behind K-mart pulls sweater out of you!"

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