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JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2007,16:54   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Nov. 13 2007,14:48)
SUPER SPECIAL REQUEST

I'm not going to be able to watch Nova's Judgment Day live this evening, and instead will have to defer to later this evening or even tomorrow to watch a recording.

So, please, NO SPOILERS here, as I want to remain in suspense regarding how it turns out. Is ID vindicated by the Good 'ole republican boy Judge Jones, or is ID turned aside? I remember Dembski's odds on the various outcomes, and will be sitting on pins and needles throughout the broadcast.  He's been right on so many other issues.

OKAY? No spoilers. Thanks!

I have it on good authority that Jones, a Bush appointee, wouldn't be so irresponsible as to jeopardise his career by ruling against ID.  

This should be where Darwinism meets its Waterloo.

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2007,16:56   

RTH you do that from memory?  beautiful.

ps you forgot the bold homo.

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Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2007,16:56   

Quote (JohnW @ Nov. 13 2007,17:54)
I have it on good authority that Jones, a Bush appointee, wouldn't be so irresponsible as to jeopardise his career by ruling against ID.  

This should be where Darwinism meets its Waterloo.

Indeed, I've heard he's a good ol' boy who wouldn't cut his career off at the knees.

Edit - d'oh.  I missed The Master's comment.

Edited by Lou FCD on Nov. 13 2007,17:58

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JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2007,17:00   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 13 2007,14:56)
Edit - d'oh.  I missed The Master's comment.

Oops, so did I.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2007,17:01   

UD is teaching me so much about morality. It's Grrrrrrreat!

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-147982

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You are mistaken IMO. Also, you seem to be missing the obvious point that in the end , “God kills everybody”. There are no deaths that are not caused directly by or allowed to come to pass by Him


Wowsers. Death cult! "No your honour, I think you'll find it's God who kills everybody. So "Not Guilty".

Bad Design <> No Design

But

Shoite Morality = Divine Morality.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2007,17:02   

Quote (JohnW @ Nov. 13 2007,17:00)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 13 2007,14:56)
Edit - d'oh.  I missed The Master's comment.

Oops, so did I.

ITS OKAY, YOUR NOT AUTODICTORS WITH IQS NORTH OF 150. DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT INDEPENDENTLY ON YOU'RE OWN?

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2007,17:07   

Ps - "The master".

If you want to get RichardTHughes' attention when he's talking about RichardTHughes in the third person, you can call him "The Master". If You're a chic you can bite your bottom lip and swoon a bit as well.

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"Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield
"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
Steverino



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2007,17:40   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 13 2007,17:01)
UD is teaching me so much about morality. It's Grrrrrrreat!

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-147982

 
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...

You are mistaken IMO. Also, you seem to be missing the obvious point that in the end , “God kills everybody”. There are no deaths that are not caused directly by or allowed to come to pass by Him


Wowsers. Death cult! "No your honour, I think you'll find it's God who kills everybody. So "Not Guilty".

Bad Design <> No Design

But

Shoite Morality = Divine Morality.

Wow!...so.....we dont' die???

All loving and all compassionate God kills us???

but....but... .but.......

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2007,17:40   

magic:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-147994

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getawitness

11/13/2007

6:31 pm
DLH,

“What BarryA is referring to is moral evil explicitly contrary to moral law, such as the Holocaust, directly by persons, and indirectly by evil intelligent agents.”

Does that mean that evil intelligent agents can introduce new evil CSI????? Or is that CSEI?

I’m just tryin’ to get back to the science here.


Don't get banninated.

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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Steverino



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2007,17:52   

Oh yeah...im sure they will fast track that one

"...You're outta here homo!"

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carlsonjok



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2007,17:53   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 13 2007,17:07)
Ps - "The master".

If you want to get RichardTHughes' attention when he's talking about RichardTHughes in the third person, you can call him "The Master". If You're a chic you can bite your bottom lip and swoon a bit as well.

HAR HAR HAR THIS IS YOU AT THE VERY END

Video

P.S.  THE FRY CHEF IS LOUIS.

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It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

  
carlsonjok



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2007,18:09   

One hour until Judgement Day: Intelligent Design on Trial!

Now I am as happy as a little girl!!!



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steve_h



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2007,18:16   

on moral progress:
Getawitness

 
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Jason Rennie,

“Actually the answer to the question is, no it was not evil. There is quite a bit of background to be gone into to understand the circumstances”

Interesting. I don’t believe in some phantom objectivity, and yet I think genocide is always wrong. You do believe in objective morality and think mass slaughter is always wrong — except when it’s right! Clearly your principled defense of slaughter beats my wishy-washy abhorrence of same.


Jason Rennie

 
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Wrong only means something like, “I don’t like genocide” so your proclamation lacks meaning.


It means something to me. It means that Getawitness can't coldly rationalize away the deaths of an entire people because they are religiously "the wrong sort" in the same way that Jason can. Some people really do give me the creeps. Jason has been doing so since he told us how he objectively values all people's lives so much at the sciphishow.

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2007,20:52   

may not last long over there. some asshole stole my handle.

bastard


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Well I am sure glad to see us getting back to the science.

What I am concerned about, is as a Christian, I know that G*D creates evil.  So, that being undoubtedly true unless you are willing to say that my bible is lying.  

Given that, how can you possibly characterize evil as something that is absent good?  If G*D is good, and the bible tells us so, and he is omnipresent, which the bible tells us so, then it follows that there is nowhere that G*D is not (that includes the empty black hollow in the chests of materialists, thank you CSL).  

So it seems that Jason Rennie's arguments, while sophisticated, are founded on category errors.  If it was G*D's will that the Assyrians were to attack the Israelites, in no way could that be viewed as evil.  The fact that one, were it to happen today, would view it as evil, gives the lie to the notion that we can ever know, even if it exists, an objective morality.

If you believe in a G*D who has a will that can be thwarted by puny humans, and the absence of G*D is the presence of evil, then you worship an inferior G*D that is not the creator of the Universe and the mid-atlantic rift, much less the flacterial blagellum or the chloroplast.

I don't see where this discussion is going, but I am glad to see it getting back to the science.


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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
carlsonjok



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2007,21:06   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Nov. 13 2007,16:48)
SUPER SPECIAL REQUEST

I'm not going to be able to watch Nova's Judgment Day live this evening, and instead will have to defer to later this evening or even tomorrow to watch a recording.

So, please, NO SPOILERS here, OKAY? No spoilers. Thanks!

Hey, Bill.

Old Yeller Dies!1!!1!!11one!!!

Ha Ha. I couldn't resist.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2007,21:52   

getawitness is mopping the floor with some people; I'm not sure his stance on the ID/crevo debate, but he writes clearly and makes concise points (See, KairosFocus, that's how you do that)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2007,21:54   

Quote (franky172 @ Nov. 13 2007,22:52)
getawitness is mopping the floor with some people; I'm not sure his stance on the ID/crevo debate, but he writes clearly and makes concise points (See, KairosFocus, that's how you do that)

heh heh heh.

   
Altabin



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2007,22:46   

Quote (franky172 @ Nov. 14 2007,04:52)
getawitness is mopping the floor with some people; I'm not sure his stance on the ID/crevo debate, but he writes clearly and makes concise points (See, KairosFocus, that's how you do that)

He's some sort of Christian, has a dry sense of humor, and uses big words like "quotidian" and "incommensurability."  I've suspected that he might be heddle.  But by this time heddle would have cracked and started blathering on about fine-tuning, so maybe not.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2007,23:25   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Nov. 13 2007,22:06)
   
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Nov. 13 2007,16:48)
SUPER SPECIAL REQUEST

I'm not going to be able to watch Nova's Judgment Day live this evening, and instead will have to defer to later this evening or even tomorrow to watch a recording.

So, please, NO SPOILERS here, OKAY? No spoilers. Thanks!

Hey, Bill.

Old Yeller Dies!1!!1!!11one!!!

Ha Ha. I couldn't resist.

What? I got the end only to learn that Soylent Green is people AND that Charlton Heston has really been on earth all along...plus that Tim Robbins is really still in Viet Nam with a fatal bayonet wound...that Tom Cruise's disfigured face hasn't really been restored...that Bruce Willis is really dead...That I'm really just a brain in a beaker...

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2007,23:28   

Hahah, I think I got banned from UD. Whoops.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2007,23:29   



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2007,23:29   

Quote (Annyday @ Nov. 14 2007,00:28)
Hahah, I think I got banned from UD. Whoops.

WHERE?! WHERE?!  Must document!!! Must bump favorite thread!!! Where?!

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
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Annyday



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2007,23:32   

Was a glitch, nevermind. Apologies for the false start.

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2007,23:45   

Gil mixes his metaphors:
   
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Speculation Presented As Fact (or, Carl Sagan’s Baloney Detection Kit)
GilDodgen

...Baloney detection is a two-edged sword.

"Baloney detection is a two-edged sword." I am struggling to visualize this, without much success.

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2007,00:24   

Quote (jeffox @ Nov. 12 2007,23:10)
Aesahaettr, on the "blog reading level" thread, wrote:

 
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Gosh, Barry, looks like you can’t catch a break today. It’s supposed to be “hoisted BY my own petard,” not “ON my own petard.” Why, it almost sounds like you don’t even know what a “petard” is.


Well, he certainly has the last 4 letters down.  :)

Aside, I wonder how long this comment will last there?

I always wondered just what a "petard" was, so here's dictionary.com's definition:

1. an explosive device formerly used in warfare to blow in a door or gate, form a breach in a wall, etc.  
 
4. hoist by or with one's own petard, hurt, ruined, or destroyed by the very device or plot one had intended for another.  

But the fun part's the eytemology:

[Origin: 1590–1600; < MF, equiv. to pet(er) to break wind (deriv. of pet < L péditum a breaking wind, orig. neut. of ptp. of pédere to break wind) + -ard -ard]

So it's a kind of a farTard.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2007,00:26   

Quote (Hermagoras @ Nov. 13 2007,16:09)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 13 2007,16:04)

Is that a bra on her head?

...or is she just happy to see us?

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2007,02:28   

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So it's a kind of a farTard.


That would explain some of the curious noises over there.  :)   :)   :)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2007,04:26   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Nov. 13 2007,23:53)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 13 2007,17:07)
Ps - "The master".

If you want to get RichardTHughes' attention when he's talking about RichardTHughes in the third person, you can call him "The Master". If You're a chic you can bite your bottom lip and swoon a bit as well.

HAR HAR HAR THIS IS YOU AT THE VERY END

Video

P.S.  THE FRY CHEF IS LOUIS.

Nolarjcoks...horse....bestiality....your mother/Catherine the Great Urban Legend....HAR HAR THIS IS YOU....TARD....LOLCAT picture with funny caption.....special harness.....

I can't be bothered today, can everyone just riff on the various themese above and fill in their own blanks please?

Thanks so much.

Louis

P.S. IDTard=All Science So Far, NoLarjCoks=All Horses So Far. Etc.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2007,06:40   

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GilDodgen: Speculation Presented As Fact (or, Carl Sagan’s Baloney Detection Kit)

I thought I would check out Uncommon Descent's reaction to the well-publicized Nova on the Dover Trial, Judgment Day. Only the thread is about something on the history channel "the other night". However, on another thread, j did provide a rundown of Judgment Day.

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j: For those who didn’t get to see the program, here are my notes  :

Start: ID holds that living things are “suddenly created” and are “too complex” to have evolved.
The Dover Trial was basically just the Scopes Trial (”Inherit the Wind”) all over again.
The Establishment Clause requires “the separation of church and state” and “prevents the government from promoting or prohibiting any form of religion”

8:19 Ken Miller pronounces the word “God” the way that atheists do (IMO).
Footage from the DVD of “Unlocking the Mystery of Life”(?) is shown in grainy video, to make it look ugly.
8:29 ACLU lawyers smile alot. Thomas More Law Center lawyers have frowns.
8:33 Eugenie Scott is a happy person.
Rick Santorum looks like a dork.
8:40 Ken Miller thinks that evolution is change over time.
8:41 ID holds that living things appear abruptly.
Nick Matzke says that ID holds that things “poof” into existence.
Transitional fossils are evidence against ID.
Evolutionary theory predicts a computer-generated tree of life.
8:48 Darwin proposed gradual evolution.
8:57 Darwin didn’t know about genetics, but now we do, and so evolution is proven.
8:58 Robert Pennock says that flu shots are due to evolution (not intelligent design).
9:00 Eugenie Scott says “ID is a negative argument.”

Note: The producers focused on Creationism for the first hour.
The Discovery Institute “set conditions for interviews that are not consistent with normal journalistic practices”

9:07 Mike Behe thinks that some things “could not have evolved.”
9:12 The TTSS (which came after the bacterial flagellum) is an obvious evolutionary precursor of the flagellum.
Really nice animations of the flagellum.
9:17 Darwinists piled a lot of big books in front of Mike Behe in the courtroom.
The 1st Amendment mandates the separation of church and state.
9:27 ID is simply creationism repackaged.
ID is like astrology — Mike Behe said so.
9:34 Barbara Forrest uses “evolution” as a synonym for “Darwinism”

The Wedge document looks awesome.
I can think of a lot of bad names for Lori Lebo.
The Discovery Institute distanced themselves from the trial when they lost.
Judge Jones said that “ID is not science,” so the matter is settled.

Hmm. J doesn't mention Prof. Steve Steve.

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Annyday



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2007,06:45   

He's copying PZ and company in format.

Let's just admit it; everyone on UD wishes they were Dawkins or PZ. Lacking talent, they try to ride ideology instead! Yeah!

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