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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2017,18:15   

Quote (JohnW @ Aug. 16 2017,15:29)
Of course.  That's why god rewarded them by letting them have slaves.

You have a career in Prosperity Gospel Preaching.


   
Woodbine



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2017,13:34   


  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2017,10:40   

Mung better hope he's not a white guy living in America.

or, secondly, anyone living anywhere.

   
clamboy



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2017,23:31   

Good lord 'n butter! How can I miss you, J-Mac, if you won't leave???

  
Woodbine



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 09 2017,19:01   


  
Occam's Aftershave



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 09 2017,19:53   

I see Sal "the human shit stain" Cordova has decided to use TSZ as his own personal pulpit for preaching.  The gospel according to Sal of course.

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"Global warming can't be real because it still gets cooler at night"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"

Whizz-dumb from Joe Gallien, world's dumbest YEC

  
Woodbine



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 09 2017,21:00   

He's shilling someone called Joel Osteen.



Now there's a face you can trust.

  
fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 09 2017,21:20   

You'd think with all his money he'd pick a better set of dentures.

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"[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory

"Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

  
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 09 2017,22:50   

Quote (fnxtr @ Nov. 09 2017,21:20)
You'd think with all his money he'd pick a better set of dentures.

Are you a denture racist?

  
k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 10 2017,08:38   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 10 2017,06:50)
Quote (fnxtr @ Nov. 09 2017,21:20)
You'd think with all his money he'd pick a better set of dentures.

Are you a denture racist?

His bark is bigger than his bite.

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"ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus
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Occam's Aftershave



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 10 2017,10:03   

Quote (Woodbine @ Nov. 09 2017,21:00)
He's shilling someone called Joel Osteen.



Now there's a face you can trust.

That's the dick who wouldn't let hurricane victims in Houston use his mega-church as a shelter because he didn't want the carpets being soiled.  A real Godly man for sure.

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"Global warming can't be real because it still gets cooler at night"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"

Whizz-dumb from Joe Gallien, world's dumbest YEC

  
Woodbine



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2017,04:01   

Some quality TARD over at SZ

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The Ills of the Skeptical Movement
Posted on November 21, 2017 by phoodoo
In another post, recent contributor TomMueller stated that GPS satellites use relativistic synchronization to match up their clocks with earthbound clocks.  I explained to him that this was not so, even though its easy to believe, if you don’t think critically, that it is.

Tom followed my post to him with a litany of ad hominem, “Oh, you are a moron, you are a troll, creationist idiots,  I read about it on a credible site, I talked to a physics professor about it…” and on and on he went with his insults and denial.

Now to be fair to Tom, if you just read mainstreams sites, like Wikipedia, or Wired or Salon, or even many science websites, this is the information you will find-that GPS satellites use Einstein’s theory of relativity to sync their clocks to earth clocks.  Its written everywhere, surely it must be true.  But I know why its not true, because I actually thought about it. At first I just had a hunch about it, but again, if you just google it, most sites will tell you its true.  But it didn’t make sense to me, for so many reasons.  What clocks are the satellite clocks syncing with, a GPS’s receivers clock?  Huh?  How precise are they?  For that matter, how precise are any clocks.  Its nearly impossible to ever get ANY two clocks to match.

I also read about the so called Haefele-Keating atomic clocks, where relativistic changes in clocks due to speed was tested and confirmed aboard airplanes going around the earth. Again, everywhere you looked online, they say its true.  It was tested, it worked.  And its bullshit.  But how would one know, if all you did was read what is supposedly credible sources, written by academics and scholars and Wikipedia…

I wouldn’t even bother telling you how I learned it was not true.  I wouldn’t even bother citing sources, because all skeptics do is try to spew the same old defense, “Oh, that source is for cranks, try MY sources, they are the best parrots for information.” I learned by thinking, skeptics will never understand that.



And so here’s the thing, I didn’t learn that things are complete bullshit, by just going to the vast amount of sources online that claim they are true, instead I thought about.   But here’s what skeptics, as ironic as it sounds, tell you to do.  They tell you to just accept the common wisdom.  Accept that these science facts must be true, because someone famous says so.  Accept that evolution is true, accept that GMO foods are good for you, accept that Oswald acted alone, accept that alternative medicine is all fake, accept that bigPharm is looking out for your best interests, accept materialism, accept that every time you hear about a study which contradicts strict materialism it must be wrong, accept that every time someone challenges the scientific consensus, then they are by definition quacks, and basically just stop thinking for yourself.  The skeptical movement is founded on the exact opposite principle of be skeptical, instead it means to simply follow whatever the skeptic movement tells you must be right.



Its the same everywhere, on podcast like the Skeptics Guide to the Universe, or anything with Seth Shostak, or Michael Shermer, or Phil Plaitt, or Neil Degrasse Tyson or Bill Nye, or any of the whole community of people who identify themselves as skeptics, by virtue that they all believe exactly the same things.  This toxic thought has seeped into virtually every source of information you can find, be it television, news, blogs, everywhere.  They will claim they are deep thinkers, and this is how they found the answers, buts its a con game, they are anything but, they are sheep.  They never have an original thought, ever.  I think I even read Lawrence Krauss repeating this same crap line about relativity and GPS satellites-and he has a PhD in physics, for crying out loud.  But don’t ask him to think, he prefers to just parrot the party line, its so much easier.

So nowadays where do you find truth, it sure as hell ain’t easy, thanks to these brainwashed preachers of the scientific consensus.  Its what leads Allan to make ludicrous statements about what fitness means, its what leads parrots like Tom Mueller to say, “Oh, I read it about it, so how dare you say its not true! Moron!”



The skeptic movement is one of the biggest diseases to stifle learning that I can think of.  They cloud every news article, and every attempt at understanding with their atheist based need to preach their worldview.  Its just like Lynn Margulis said, they want to tell everyone what to think, by telling them to stop thinking.  I despise these types of thought Nazis.  They are the worst thing that has ever happened to academia.

  
fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2017,10:05   

Someone's been hitting the bug powder.

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"[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory

"Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2017,16:31   

Orkin?

  
clamboy



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 23 2017,11:09   

phoodoo is the Alex Jones of TSZ. It's not much, but its his.

One thing I will say about the recent silly post by Mung, "Why Evolution Matters" (almost as TARD-y), and this one by phoodoo: the comments contain numerous gems of thought and information. So, I guess I ought to thank Mung and phoodoo for their crankery.

  
paragwinn



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 06 2017,04:49   

Salvador 'My Intuition Trumps Your Expertise' Cordova:  
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You’re understanding of this is terrible which I’ll explain.
 
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My intuition said your explanation was incoherent, and now I just provided a second paper confirming you were wrong.

All attempts to help Sal reconsider his mispronouncements and misconceptions regarding just about any topic seems to result in an escalation of credentialism, tangentialism, and argumentation by diagram. Kudos to those exercising their expertise and experience to enlighten the rest of us despite Sal and others working to score points for ID.

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All women build up a resistance [to male condescension]. Apparently, ID did not predict that. -Kristine 4-19-11
F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11
Sigh. Really Bill? - Barry Arrington

  
k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 06 2017,08:30   

Quote (paragwinn @ Dec. 06 2017,12:49)
Salvador 'My Intuition Trumps Your Expertise' Cordova:  
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You’re understanding of this is terrible which I’ll explain.
 
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My intuition said your explanation was incoherent, and now I just provided a second paper confirming you were wrong.

All attempts to help Sal reconsider his mispronouncements and misconceptions regarding just about any topic seems to result in an escalation of credentialism, tangentialism, and argumentation by diagram. Kudos to those exercising their expertise and experience to enlighten the rest of us despite Sal and others working to score points for ID.

That's been Sal's MO since the glory days of him running flak for Dr. Dr. over the Specified Information boondoggle on Pandas. Around the time when Lenny was eviscerating Ghost of Paley on snake biology. ....Has it been that long ago?

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"I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

  
clamboy



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(Permalink) Posted: May 01 2018,10:04   

Is Tom Mueller bringing us a May Fool's Day prank?

  
Glen Davidson



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(Permalink) Posted: May 12 2018,10:50   

Quote (Glen Davidson @ Feb. 16 2017,20:19)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Feb. 09 2017,10:51)
Quote (clamboy @ Feb. 09 2017,00:22)
William J Murray's posting privileges were suspended when he posted slander based on libel. Now he's got 'em back, and posts what amounts to one heaping pile o' Guano.

Patrick is right that TSZ is broken, when such dreck is considered appropriate fodder for discussion.

Oh, and Mung? I really hope you get paid by the post. Otherwise...well, it keeps you off the streets, I guess. And, I hope, out of classrooms.

I get the feeling Mung is a lonely old man who just likes to shit-stir for the attention.

WJM is just a dick no matter how you look at it.

Mung makes me think "DaveScot."  Can write little without a sneer, bitter at science/scientists (not quite sure why), thinks he's quite smart when he's not very, thinks he knows a lot from reading (autodidact) and doesn't, self-important, quite well-off (he insists on making large bets at TSZ), and thinking he's quite clever (again, not very).  Texan, from working class stock, not really with the fundies, and accepting the evidence for evolution while believing in the ID that should screw up the evidence for evolution (Behe's equally illogical about that).

If he is DaveScot, that could be why he's such a hideous troll, he wants to keep remarks minimal so he doesn't sound too much like DaveScot.

Anyhow, if not DaveScot, someone a lot like him.

Glen Davidson

Another reason why Mung seems like Davetard:

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The backstory on my name comes from my time on board ship in the US Navy. There was a bucket that we kept under the spout of the coffee dispenser to catch dripping and hold old coffee people wanted to pour out since there was no sink in the space. It was called the mung bucket. Hence the name.

Disgusting, perhaps. But nothing at all to do with female body parts.


At TSZ

Mung went riding around in Navy ships.  But wasn't Davetard a Marine?  Yes, and Marines are transported by the Navy.  He does write above like he was actually in the Navy, but I'd expect him to dissemble on that point (people know that Davetard says he was a Marine).

I thought this was another interesting coincidence, anyway.

Glen Davidson

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Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

   
clamboy



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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2018,00:56   

GOOD LORD 'N BUTTER, WHY DOES J-MAC STILL HAVE POSTING PRIVILEGES?!?

asking for a friend...?

  
Alan Fox



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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2018,05:58   

Quote (clamboy @ June 02 2018,19:56)
GOOD LORD 'N BUTTER, WHY DOES J-MAC STILL HAVE POSTING PRIVILEGES?!?

asking for a friend...?

I'm tempted to reply but I suspect the question is rhetorical.

  
timothya



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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2018,08:52   

Because he is an idiot. And in a world infested with idiots, it is a good idea for people who aren't idiots to give idiots full reign to demonstrate that they are idiots.

Oh wait a minute, there is something wrong with that argument.

Dang.

  
clamboy



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(Permalink) Posted: June 04 2018,08:23   

Quote (Alan Fox @ June 03 2018,05:58)
Quote (clamboy @ June 02 2018,19:56)
GOOD LORD 'N BUTTER, WHY DOES J-MAC STILL HAVE POSTING PRIVILEGES?!?

asking for a friend...?

I'm tempted to reply but I suspect the question is rhetorical.

I shouldn't complain, but it's just that his latest post at TSZ is just so dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, and worthless.

Thank you for your efforts.

  
JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: June 04 2018,11:41   

Quote (clamboy @ June 04 2018,06:23)
Quote (Alan Fox @ June 03 2018,05:58)
 
Quote (clamboy @ June 02 2018,19:56)
GOOD LORD 'N BUTTER, WHY DOES J-MAC STILL HAVE POSTING PRIVILEGES?!?

asking for a friend...?

I'm tempted to reply but I suspect the question is rhetorical.

I shouldn't complain, but it's just that his latest post at TSZ is just so dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, and worthless.

Thank you for your efforts.

Yeah, but he generates good value for money in the comments.  Like this:
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Neil Rickert

June 3, 2018 at 3:36 am

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… pretty much proving that that abiogenesis is impossible…

I have not heard of any mass exodus of scientists working in that area. Perhaps the claims are slightly exaggerated.


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Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers

There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: June 04 2018,12:15   

If abiogenesis were impossible, that would mean that life had always existed. If OTOH there was a time in the past in which no life existed, and it exists now, then abiogenesis happened, by some means or other.

  
JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: June 04 2018,14:18   

I was going to quote the choicest parts of this, but to be honest, it's all choicest parts.  Noted thinker Robert Byers:
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This was interesting and , for once, the music was not irritating.
i think i have seen things on him/by him on the discovery blog on evolutionism etc.
Saved means to be saved from hell/punishment.
I don’t like Born -again term. i like Evangelical Christian greatly better.
Born again was used once by Jesus and it means a DNA change that no longer allows one to do serious sin. otherwise someone BORN AGAIN could keep doing important sins in numbers or severity. once saved one can’t do evil.
Another reason why the most evangelical nations, especially The english ones, were, on a curve , more moral/kind.
I don’t know the faith of posters on all the forums/blogs on origin issues.
Yet one is right and the rest are not.
It doesn’t matter how CHRISTIAN one is if its the wrong equation for salvation. One will be just like the vast majority of born mankind.


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Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers

There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 04 2018,15:03   

Quote (JohnW @ June 04 2018,14:18)
I was going to quote the choicest parts of this, but to be honest, it's all choicest parts.  Noted thinker Robert Byers:
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This was interesting and , for once, the music was not irritating.
i think i have seen things on him/by him on the discovery blog on evolutionism etc.
Saved means to be saved from hell/punishment.
I don’t like Born -again term. i like Evangelical Christian greatly better.
Born again was used once by Jesus and it means a DNA change that no longer allows one to do serious sin. otherwise someone BORN AGAIN could keep doing important sins in numbers or severity. once saved one can’t do evil.
Another reason why the most evangelical nations, especially The english ones, were, on a curve , more moral/kind.
I don’t know the faith of posters on all the forums/blogs on origin issues.
Yet one is right and the rest are not.
It doesn’t matter how CHRISTIAN one is if its the wrong equation for salvation. One will be just like the vast majority of born mankind.

Imagine the market for genetically engineered children that can’t sin.  Gene therapy to save sinners.  We could be rich beyond the dreams of avarice.

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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: June 04 2018,18:04   

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Another reason why the most evangelical nations, especially The english ones, were, on a curve , more moral/kind.


Trail of Tears, residential schools, Westboro Baptist...

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"[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory

"Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

  
Lethean



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(Permalink) Posted: June 04 2018,20:24   

Quote (Texas Teach @ June 04 2018,15:03)
 
Quote (JohnW @ June 04 2018,14:18)
I was going to quote the choicest parts of this, but to be honest, it's all choicest parts.  Noted thinker Robert Byers:
   
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This was interesting and , for once, the music was not irritating.
i think i have seen things on him/by him on the discovery blog on evolutionism etc.
Saved means to be saved from hell/punishment.
I don’t like Born -again term. i like Evangelical Christian greatly better.
Born again was used once by Jesus and it means a DNA change that no longer allows one to do serious sin. otherwise someone BORN AGAIN could keep doing important sins in numbers or severity. once saved one can’t do evil.
Another reason why the most evangelical nations, especially The english ones, were, on a curve , more moral/kind.
I don’t know the faith of posters on all the forums/blogs on origin issues.
Yet one is right and the rest are not.
It doesn’t matter how CHRISTIAN one is if its the wrong equation for salvation. One will be just like the vast majority of born mankind.

Imagine the market for genetically engineered children that can’t sin.  Gene therapy to save sinners.  We could be rich beyond the dreams of avarice.


Reminds me of that pet care service for people that are raptured. Pay in advance so your pets don't starve or otherwise die from neglect when you are swept up to meet Big J in the sky.

That gave me the idea for Rapture Insurance™ and the regulatory requirement that any who believe they might be raptured and also, for example, drive or fly public or commercial transportation must carry said insurance to offset all the injury and death that will occur once they magically swoosh away from the controls.

* I had also considered accompanying regulations that require that Rapture Heads™ who work in a "pilot-copilot" scenario  must be teamed with someone who believes differently than they and placed in the subordinate position. However, I quickly realized there's no money in that and dropped further development of that idea.

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"My brain is one of the very few independent thinking brains that you've ever met. And that's a thing of wonder to you and since you don't understand it you criticize it."


~Dave Hawkins~

  
JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: June 04 2018,22:19   

Quote (fnxtr @ June 04 2018,16:04)
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Another reason why the most evangelical nations, especially The english ones, were, on a curve , more moral/kind.


Trail of Tears, residential schools, Westboro Baptist...

But they handed out smallpox-infected blankets kindly.

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Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers

There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

  
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