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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: May 25 2018,19:46   

Re "Don’t you just hate it when your own source doesn’t support your opinions? "

But that's only for those who are aware of that lack of support.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 25 2018,20:51   

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And if that's in absolute numbers, then as a percentage of population it would have dropped even more?

If I did my math right, that is about 40 abortions per 1,000 women between 15 and 44, As compared to the 14.4/1000 in 2014. Even if you use a the more conservative estimate of over 800,000 abortions, that would work out to about 22/1000.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 25 2018,23:26   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ May 25 2018,18:51)
Quote (Henry J @ May 25 2018,19:44)
And if that's in absolute numbers, then as a percentage of population it would have dropped even more?

If I did my math right, that is about 40 abortions per 1,000 women between 15 and 44, As compared to the 14.4/1000 in 2014. Even if you use a the more conservative estimate of over 800,000 abortions, that would work out to about 22/1000.

Math is just a theory and not at all what the Bible teaches.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 26 2018,11:46   

Some lovely trolling of KairosDoofus:

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Allan KeithMay 26, 2018 at 9:55 am
An interesting turn of affairs yesterday in Ireland,
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Ireland has voted by a landslide to liberalise some of the world’s most restrictive abortion laws in what its prime minister described as the culmination of a “quiet revolution” in what was one of Europe’s most socially conservative countries.

Voters in the once deeply Catholic nation were estimated to have backed the change by more than two-to-one, according to two exit polls released on Friday evening, and the government plans to bring in legislation by the end of the year.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world....country

First gay marriage, then they elected an openly gay Prime Minister, and yesterday they voted overwhelmingly to end the prohibition on abortion.

Cue the saw…. zip, zip, zip…

:p  :p  :p  

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 26 2018,12:36   

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Allan KeithMay 26, 2018 at 8:52 am
KairosFocus,
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You are on the wrong side of history…

Time will tell. I am quite comfortable with the future my worldview will create.
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…and the way you have been arguing does not speak well for the sort of worldview you have endorsed.

You are entitled to your opinion. Unfortunately for you, my worldview is supported by more people than yours is.
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What is frightening is that you sense the trend of the times is such that you would not meet severe social censure for speaking like that.

We all risk social censure.
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That points to what you mean by a thriving civilisation. I do not think that word means what you seem to think it does.

Less persecution, less judgmental Attitudes, and more acceptance of those different than us. Declining abortion rates. Declining rates of unwanted pregnancies. Tossing aside of the ridiculous social restrictions imposed on others by religion. Providing children with comprehensive information necessary for them to make informed decisions. No longer being able to hide behind “religious freedom” to discriminate against others. Increasing power to women and minorities. Reductions in violent crimes. Longer life expectancy. Reduced infant mortality. I’m sure there is more, but this should do for now.
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Ours is a suicidally sick civilisation by any reasonable standard. KF

I agree. That is why we are changing it for the better. You are welcome to come along for the ride or you can continue to sit on your front porch yelling at kids to get off your front lawn.


(same thread)

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: May 26 2018,12:40   

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Allan KeithMay 25, 2018 at 7:53 pm
Harry,
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I suspect KairosFocus was merely refuting you with data you accepted.

Only if he is clairvoyant because he has been using this source to support his holocaust nonsense long before I came on the scene. The only difference is that I have actually looked in greater detail at the source of his numbers. Sadly, his own source does not support his claims.


"allan keith", whatever nation you're in, you're a goddam national treasure.

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: May 26 2018,12:42   

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Allan KeithMay 25, 2018 at 7:06 pm
KairosFocus,
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AK, you are continually deflecting attention from what is central: a live, in progress holocaust.

If this is true, then it is a holocaust that has been going on for thousands of years. A holocaust that has been dramatically declining. A holocaust that is smaller now than it was before abortion was legalized.

You keep ignoring the facts.

1) the abortion rate before Roe v Wade was much higher than it is now.

2) comprehensive sex education and access to birth control have reduced unwanted pregnancies and abortions far more effectively than legal prohibitions ever did.

3) a woman who wants an abortion will get one, regardless of legal status.

4) Unless you are prepared to lock up pregnant women until they give birth you are not going to change number three.

The only thing that making abortion illegal will do is make you feel better about yourself. It won’t do anything to actually reduce abortion rates and it will cause the death of women. As far as I can tell, the only benefit that making abortion illegal has is that it will allow people of your ilk to sleep better at night. Because it sure as hell won’t reduce the rate of abortion, which should be the only goal if you are serious about the sanctity of life.

Now, if you have data that shows that banning abortion will reduce abortions more effectively than sex education and access to birth control, feel free to present it. But if you are going to resort to holocaust analogies or lemmings and sawing branches metaphors, or Plato, I think that I will step out of this discussion. I have no interest in discussing irrelevant hypotheticals.


I need a cigarette.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 26 2018,13:05   

Uncommonly Dense is the greatest website in history.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 26 2018,13:09   

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kairosfocusMay 26, 2018 at 10:37 am
AK, your comfort is doubtless because you do not expect to be on the receiving end of the sort of democides and genocides that accounted for 100+ millions over the past century or so. You are also — again — appealing to the binding nature of the moral principles you dismiss. KF
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Allan KeithMay 26, 2018 at 11:13 am
KairosFocus, I do not dismiss your moral principles. I simply disagree with them. As, apparently, do two thirds of Ireland.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 26 2018,13:11   

"Allan Keith" can't last much longer. KF's Safe Space is direly threatened.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 26 2018,19:25   

Is Dense Catholic? I expect her to lose her shit over the Ireland vote.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 27 2018,10:03   

TWSYF,
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There is no added value to you stating your repeated philosophical opinions over and over again. We already know your opinions.


Allan Keith
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But my opinions on reducing abortion rates are supported by actual hard data. For people serious about reducing abortion rates, this should have value. For those who are merely virtue signalling to demonstrate their superior pseudo-morality, my opinions and facts fall on deaf ears.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: May 27 2018,10:33   

Nothing on Ireland yet. Dense has a post up about PZ complaining that lots of atheist 'leaders' are douchenozzles.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 27 2018,11:05   

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Allan KeithMay 27, 2018 at 8:32 am
KairosFocus,
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I suggest that the first thing you need to straighten out is that our living posterity in the womb are fully human beings in their earliest stage of life. As such, they have the same status and dignity as we who have been born have.

Unfortunately, if Ireland is any indication, two thirds of the world disagree with you. I have no argument with the idea that late term fetuses should have the same rights as us, with a couple restrictions. But to argue that an eight or ten week embryo, which has no means of perceiving anything and no means of being self aware, should have the same rights as you and I, belies the facts. I have no problem with you thinking otherwise but that is primarily a religious belief.
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For enabling this holocaust and corrupting key institutions and professions to support and carry it out our civilisation proves itself morally bankrupt.

There is only corruption if they are doing something they know to be wrong. No government is forced the allow abortions. No doctors are forced to perform abortions. No women are forced to have abortions.

Nobody is suggesting that abortion is the best option. The best option, obviously, is to not get pregnant in the first place. But you are not willing to support the two approaches that are proven to prevent these pregnancies, comprehensive sex education and access to birth control.

Governments allow practices that are known to kill people. For example, alcohol and smoking are perfectly legal even though they are responsible for over 500,000 deaths per year in the US alone. And not only do governments allow it, they profit from it, in many cases actually selling the products directly.
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That many have become morally blind to this worst single evil of our time speaks saddening volumes. And on fair comment, that includes you sir, given rhetoric above and elsewhere. Wake up! KF

This is priceless. Of the two of us, one has proposed an approach that has a proven track record of significantly reducing abortion rates, with the minimal risk to women. The other is proposing something that the data shows does not have an impact on abortion rates but significantly increases the risk to women. And you call me morally blind? If that is the type of logic that the blind belief in objective morality results in, I will stick with subjective morality.


:D  :D  :D  

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 27 2018,12:05   

What’s the moral standing on making KF stroke out due to pure, undiluted rage?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 27 2018,12:06   

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jdk May 27, 2018 at 10:05 am
I am not a materialist.

And this is the umpteenth time you’ve posted the link to your video about Einstein.


BatShit77's cut and pasting wears thin with jdk.

BatShit is, of course, misrepresenting jdk's views. I'm sure you're all surprised.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 27 2018,12:29   

Quote (stevestory @ May 27 2018,11:33)
Nothing on Ireland yet. Dense has a post up about PZ complaining that lots of atheist 'leaders' are douchenozzles.

That falls under the category of "wishful projection."  PZ is halfway there.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 27 2018,12:55   

I'm really not up to speed on the atheist politics involving PZ and others. I go to his blog occasionally but Dawkins and Sam Harris and Schermer and all that business turned me off a long time ago and I tuned out w/r/t that. I like the creationist-bashing, is about the extent of my attention to some of those guys.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 27 2018,12:56   

Quote (Texas Teach @ May 27 2018,13:05)
What’s the moral standing on making KF stroke out due to pure, undiluted rage?

:D  :D  :D

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 27 2018,12:57   

Quote (Texas Teach @ May 27 2018,12:05)
What’s the moral standing on making KF stroke out due to pure, undiluted rage?

“It is morally praiseworthy but not morally obligatory.”
Spok

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: May 27 2018,13:02   

Don't make him mad, you won't like him when he's mad. ;)

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: May 27 2018,13:03   

He might be at risk for that. I don't know anything about the guy but judging from his writing i'd estimate his age to be about 70ish.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 27 2018,13:07   

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Don't make him mad, you won't like him when he's mad. ;)

I don't like him ever.  :p

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 27 2018,13:21   

Quote (stevestory @ May 27 2018,13:07)
Quote (Henry J @ May 27 2018,14:02)
Don't make him mad, you won't like him when he's mad. ;)

I don't like him ever.  :p

But he is so much fun to watch.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 27 2018,13:35   

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jdkMay 27, 2018 at 11:11 am
to both ba and kf: because I think your belief in the power and importance of metaphysical philosophy is excessive and misguided.

There are many issues involving social responsibility and moral obligation for which I agree with a whole range of people, from theists to Buddhists to materialists.

As I’ve often explained, we make up stories–religious and metaphysical–to support beliefs that are really deeply embedded in our biological, psychological, and cultural nature. They’re interesting to think about, and can help express large, abstract ideas, but they are artifacts and effects, not causes, of our beliefs.

So I pay no attention to your comments like “And exactly how is it possible for material particles to anticipate anything?” or “Pray, tell us how they propose to soundly bridge the IS-OUGHT gap on evolutionary materialistic scientism based presuppositions?”.

This is “bogus philosophizing”, an external manifestation of your highly dogmatic commitment to a particular cultural expression of theism.
(on the PZ thread)

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2018,08:48   

Kairosfocus:
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AK, there you go again with loaded language, with religious suggestions.


Also KF, same thread:
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The first step to a real solution — the most practical thing we can do [I will speak to the fatal compromise in a moment] — is to focus first things first. Thus, to remind and awaken the benumbed, bloodguilt ridden consciences of a seriously sick generation that is enabling mass slaughter.


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It is time to turn from the culture of holocaust, corruption, perversion and undermining of the things that make widespread freedom possible and sustainable.

Central to these is that it is time to end the worst holocaust in history.

Always count on KF for neutral language and moderate tone, unaffected by any religious suggestion.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2018,09:17   

Quote (LarTanner @ May 28 2018,09:48)
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It is time to turn from the culture of holocaust, corruption, perversion and undermining of the things that make widespread freedom possible and sustainable.

Central to these is that it is time to end the worst holocaust in history.

Still no post on how Ireland just expanded the "Holocaust". I was hoping for some real butthurt.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2018,09:20   

After BS77 cut and pasted more of the usual bafflegab, this happened:

 
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jdk May 27, 2018 at 5:14 pm
Here’s a new one! 🙂
 
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Turin Shroud Hologram Reveals The Words “The Lamb” – video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....a1l8GAQ


i think jdk's just mocking him.

Edited by stevestory on May 28 2018,10:22

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2018,09:47   

Quote (stevestory @ May 28 2018,09:20)
After BS77 cut and pasted more of the usual bafflegab, this happened:

   
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jdk May 27, 2018 at 5:14 pm
Here’s a new one! 🙂
   
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Turin Shroud Hologram Reveals The Words “The Lamb” – video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....a1l8GAQ


i think jdk's just mocking him.

It actually says "Repeal Roe v. Wade!"

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2018,10:05   

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Startling Result–90% of Animals Less than 200 kya
May 28, 2018 Posted by PaV under Intelligent Design
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From PhysOrg this morning, in a study using “DNA bar-codes” (mitochondrial DNA, using a specific gene COI) and conducted around the world, here’s the verdict:
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The study’s most startling result, perhaps, is that nine out of 10 species on Earth today, including humans, came into being 100,000 to 200,000 years ago.

“This conclusion is very surprising, and I fought against it as hard as I could,” Thaler told AFP.


The scientists can’t figure out what might have caused this. Maybe a “flood”?

Here's the actual article. I haven’t had time to read it.

Enjoy!


linky

   
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