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Posted by: MidnightVoice on Oct. 19 2005,12:45
I have been involved in other boards and some of them have an "ignore" feature. This can very useful at times. Does anyone know if this board has one?
Posted by: C.J.O'Brien on Oct. 19 2005,13:46
Well, peachy and the withered wisp seem to be utilizing SOME feature that allows them to ignore things like evidence, and logic, so I would say: yes. yes it does.
Posted by: Henry J on Oct. 19 2005,13:48
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 10 2006,23:35
Slightly different mechanics... the primary hard disk on the server was getting intermittent errors, leading to the server going offline. A few hours ago, the secondary disk was made the boot disk, and I have been working since then to get everything back in place with the right permissions, ownership, etc., and I think that things are OK now. Let me know if there are things that I've overlooked.
Posted by: jeannot on May 11 2006,11:38
Wesley, there are problems with nested quotes. Is there a way to fix that?
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 11 2006,18:22
---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Wesley, there are problems with nested quotes. Is there a way to fix that?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------
If it was working before, I don't see how.
From iTextParser.pm:
---------------------QUOTE-------------------
$Txt =~ s{\[quote\](.+?)\[\/quote\]} { $html = do_wrapper({STYLE=>'QUOTE'}); qq[<!--QuoteBegin-->$html->{START}<\!--QuoteEBegin-->$1<\!--QuoteEnd-->$html->{END}<\!--QuoteEEnd-->]; }eisgx;
$Txt =~ s{\[quote=(.+?),\s*(.+?)\](.+?)\[\/quote\]} { $auth = $1; $time = $2; $html = do_wrapper({STYLE=>'QUOTE', EXTRA => "($auth \@ $time)"}); $extra = "-\-$auth\+$time"; qq[<!--QuoteBegin$extra-->$html->{START}<\!--QuoteEBegin-->$3<\!--QuoteEnd-->$html->{END}<\!--QuoteEEnd-->]; }eisgx;
---------------------QUOTE-------------------
The regular expression,
\[quote\](.+?)\[\/quote\]
means "look for a quote tag, gather and remember the text from that point to the next closing quote tag". Which means that in any "nested" quote, it matches the outer opening quote tag to the innermost closing quote tag. To do nested quotes, I'm thinking that you would need a real parser, not just some regular expression matches.
Posted by: Russell on May 12 2006,02:39
I never did figure out how to do nested quotes. If it's working now, can someone give me a clue?
(I certainly hope that box Wesley just posted was not the procedure!
Posted by: Mr_Christopher on May 12 2006,04:10
I think Midnight was asking for an ignore button where you could ignore certain users here and not see their comments.
And Russell, if you make a new post you'll see a Quote button along the menue about the new post, experiment with that button. Also, when you read my post here you'll see a different Quote button. Try that one as well and use the Preview button alot :-)
Posted by: Henry J on May 12 2006,06:03
I suppose a work around for the nested quote thing would be split the nest up into separate quotes. More work, but it might even make it easier to read. I.e., instead of (A said (B said (C said ...) ... ) ... ) put (C said ... ) (B said ... ) (A said ... )
Henry
Posted by: steve_h on May 12 2006,09:01
The first of those regular expressions only matches quotes with no attribution. The second mathes only one with them. So as long as you do something like
---------------------QUOTE-------------------
{quote=A,B} {quote} .... {/quote} {/quote} and don't nest any deeper you should be OK
---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Quote (A @ B) |
xxxxxxx
---------------------QUOTE------------------- yyyy ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
---------------------QUOTE-------------------
This has been driving me crazy for ages. Thanks for the code snippet.
Posted by: jeannot on May 12 2006,09:10
Quote (test @ test) | test
---------------------QUOTE------------------- test ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
test
---------------------QUOTE-------------------
test
EDIT, it works!
Posted by: Henry J on May 12 2006,10:11
So inner quotes aren't allowed to say who said whatever it is? That seems like a strange limitation to have.
Henry
Posted by: steve_h on May 12 2006,11:02
Not sure that a full parser is necessary. If you add a (.*) to the front of your pattern (To slurp up the longest text that doesn't contain {quote}, you can find the last complete inner quote. Then iterate until you find no more or you hit a limit (to avoid infinite loops if there is a mistake). I also combined the handling of {quote=} and {quote} forms, otherwise it still gets hopelessly muddled.
---------------------CODE SAMPLE------------------- #! perl
$_ = <<END;
{quote=wes, 08:00:10} {quote} {quote} Three quotes {quote=steve, 01:15} yes but {/quote} {quote} no but {/quote} {quote=xxx, 01:17} yes {/quote} get a life, steve {/quote} {/quote}
{quote=blah, blah} blah blah {/quote} {quote} yawn {/quote} {/quote} END
$MAXQUOTES=20; $n=0; for( $i = 0; $i < $MAXQUOTES && $_ ne $old; $i++) {
$old=$_; s{(.*)\{quote(=(.+?),\s*(.+?))?\}(.+?)\{/quote\}} { $n++; if ($2 ne "") { $x = "$1 {QT$n of=$3 at=$4} $5 {/QT$n}"; } else { $x = "$1 {QT$n} $5 {/QT$n}"; } }eisx;
# print "Iteration $i:\n $_"; }
die "unmatched quotes" if (/{\/?quote}/); print;
---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------
produces
---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------
{QT8 of=wes at=08:00:10} {QT7} {QT6} Three quotes {QT5 of=steve at=01:15} yes but {/QT5} {QT4} no but {/QT4} {QT3 of=xxx at=01:17} yes {/QT3} get a life, steve {/QT6} {/QT7}
{QT2 of=blah at=blah} blah blah {/QT2} {QT1} yawn {/QT1} {/QT8}
---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------
edit: purged spurious last if.
My deepest sympathy to anyone that can make any sense of the above "edit" comment.
Do you have the code that handles hyperlinks handy? They've caused me considerable annoyance of late.
Posted by: UnMark on May 12 2006,16:10
Would it be possible to display links to the last few pages in a long thread on the topic page? For instance, if the last post I read in the UD thread was on page 93 and want to catch up on my lunch break (without logging in), I have to click the link to page 95, then go backwards.
Thanks!
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 12 2006,18:17
---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Not sure that a full parser is necessary.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------
I learned long ago that if one asks, "Does anyone know how to do X?", one is likely to listen to the crickets chirping in response. Say instead, "I don't think X is possible," and you may soon be drowning in code. The slice of humble pie that goes with it is just the price of admission.
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 12 2006,18:45
Here's the code that generates the page links on the forum display page. I'm willing to experiment if someone wants to take a shot at code to also display the links to the final three pages when there are more than seven pages total.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------
my $Pages = ($topic->{'TOPIC_POSTS'} + 1) / $iB::INFO->{'DISPLAY_MAX_POSTS'}; my ($Int, $Dec) = split /\./,$Pages; $Dec > 0 ? ($Pages = $Int + 1) : ($Pages = $Int); $Pages = 1 if $Pages < 1; if ($Pages > 1) { $topic->{'PAGES'} = qq[<span id="small">($Forum::lang->{topic_sp_pages} ]; my $i = 0; for(0 .. $Pages-1) { my $RealNo = $i * $iB::INFO->{'DISPLAY_MAX_POSTS'}; my $PageNo = $i + 1; if ($PageNo == 4) { $topic->{'PAGES'} .= qq[<a href='$iB::INFO->{'BOARD_URL'}/ikonboard.$iB::INFO->{'CG\ I_EXT'}?s=$iB::SESSION;act=ST;f=$iB::IN{'f'};t=$topic->{'TOPIC_ID'};st=] . ($Pages - 1) * $iB::INFO->{'DISPLAY_MAX_\ POSTS'} . qq['>..$Pages </a>]; last; } $topic->{'PAGES'} .= qq[<a href='$iB::INFO->{'BOARD_URL'}/ikonboard.$iB::INFO->{'CGI_EXT'}?s=$iB::SESSI\ ON;act=ST;f=$iB::IN{'f'};t=$topic->{'TOPIC_ID'};st=$RealNo'>$PageNo </a>]; ++$i; } $topic->{'PAGES'} .= qq[)</span>]; }
---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Note that for topics with 4 or more pages, it simply terminates with linking to the final page. That's what "last" does in Perl as a command.
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 12 2006,20:18
And for Steve_h, here's the section that handles the hyperlink stuff:
---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------
$Txt =~ s!\[email\](\S+?)\[/email\]!<a href="mailto:$1">$1</a>!ig; $Txt =~ s!\[url\](\S+?)\[/url\]!"<a href=\"".$obj->fix_real_url($1)."\" target='_blank'>".$obj->chomp_url($1)."</a>"!eig; $Txt =~ s!\[url\s*=\s*\"\;\s*(\S+?)\s*\"\;\s*\](.*?)\[\/url\]!"<a href=\"".$obj->fix_real_url($1)."\" target=\"_blank\">".$obj->chomp_url($2)."</a>"!eisg; $Txt =~ s!\[url\s*=\s*(\S+?)\s*\](.*?)\[\/url\]!"<a href=\"".$obj->fix_real_url($1)."\" target=\"_blank\">".$obj->chomp_url($2)."</a>"!eisg; $Txt =~ s!\[email\s*=\s*\"\;([\.\w\-]+\@[\.\w\-]+\.[\.\w\-]+)\s*\"\;\s*\](.*?)\[\/email\]!<a href=\"mailto:$1\">$2</a>!isg; $Txt =~ s!\[email\s*=\s*([\.\w\-]+\@[\.\w\-]+\.[\w\-]+)\s*\](.*?)\[\/email\]!<a href=\"mailto:$1\">$2</a>!isg;
---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 12 2006,21:49
Testing...
Quote (wes @ 08:00:10) |
---------------------QUOTE-------------------
---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Three quotes Quote (steve @ 01:15) | yes but ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
---------------------QUOTE------------------- no but < NCSE says > ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Quote (xxx @ 01:17) | yes ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
get a life, steve < and visit TalkOrigins >
---------------------QUOTE-------------------
---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Quote (blah @ blah) | blah blah < or PT > ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
---------------------QUOTE------------------- yawn ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Way to go, Steve_h!
Posted by: Stephen Elliott on May 12 2006,21:56
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 13 2006,01:18) | And for Steve_h, here's the section that handles the hyperlink stuff:
---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------
$Txt =~ s!\[email\](\S+?)\[/email\]!<a href="mailto:$1">$1</a>!ig; $Txt =~ s!\[url\](\S+?)\[/url\]!"<a href=\"".$obj->fix_real_url($1)."\" target='_blank'>".$obj->chomp_url($1)."</a>"!eig; $Txt =~ s!\[url\s*=\s*\"\;\s*(\S+?)\s*\"\;\s*\](.*?)\[\/url\]!"<a href=\"".$obj->fix_real_url($1)."\" target=\"_blank\">".$obj->chomp_url($2)."</a>"!eisg; $Txt =~ s!\[url\s*=\s*(\S+?)\s*\](.*?)\[\/url\]!"<a href=\"".$obj->fix_real_url($1)."\" target=\"_blank\">".$obj->chomp_url($2)."</a>"!eisg; $Txt =~ s!\[email\s*=\s*\"\;([\.\w\-]+\@[\.\w\-]+\.[\.\w\-]+)\s*\"\;\s*\](.*?)\[\/email\]!<a href=\"mailto:$1\">$2</a>!isg; $Txt =~ s!\[email\s*=\s*([\.\w\-]+\@[\.\w\-]+\.[\w\-]+)\s*\](.*?)\[\/email\]!<a href=\"mailto:$1\">$2</a>!isg;
---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------
---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Good grief. Trying to read code makes my eyes bleed.
Posted by: steve_h on May 12 2006,23:47
Wow thanks Wes. I didn't expect you to implement it. I thought you'd say it would be far too slow because it has to loop once for each quote tag. One way to make it faster would be to do this only when text was being input by the user and turn matched "quote"s to matched IQUOT../IQUOT (or similar) and save that in the DB. Then when viewing you could process the start and end tags separately with simpler regexps (Simple string replacement for end tag) in one pass because you know they already match up. Of course you then have to handle internal tags entered directly by the user. And you'd have to turn IQUOT back to QUOTE for editing. Etc. etc. etc.
Re. the other topic: I'd like to see the page number which contains the first post entered after my last page view (not made in the current session) so that I could go directly to where I left off last time. Alas, I fear that may be impossible
Posted by: jeannot on May 12 2006,23:50
While you're at it, Wesley, could you change some smiley codes? We often add this one by mistake.
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 13 2006,04:49
An O(n) algorithm seems worth it to me. If it had been O(n^2) or something, that would have been cause for concern.
BTW, the form of the comments in the database is just a lightly filtered version of what you enter. All of the iB code stuff remains in its original form. Otherwise, editing would require re-coding and then decoding.
Hmmm, emoticons... :0 or . OK, the "wow" emoticon now is a colon followed by a capital "O", not the numeral zero.
Posted by: stevestory on May 13 2006,04:51
test removed
Posted by: Henry J on May 13 2006,17:35
This should work for the page link generation, if Perl follows rules similar to the languages I've used. It lists the page if page# is 1 or within 3 of the number of pages, and excludes any page#'s between those two ranges.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------
my $Pages = ($topic->{'TOPIC_POSTS'} + 1) / $iB::INFO->{'DISPLAY_MAX_POSTS'}; my ($Int, $Dec) = split /\./,$Pages; $Dec > 0 ? ($Pages = $Int + 1) : ($Pages = $Int); $Pages = 1 if $Pages < 1; if ($Pages > 1) { $topic->{'PAGES'} = qq[<span id="small">($Forum::lang->{topic_sp_pages} ]; my $i = 0; for(0 .. $Pages-1) { my $RealNo = $i * $iB::INFO->{'DISPLAY_MAX_POSTS'}; my $PageNo = $i + 1; if ($PageNo == 1) { $topic->{'PAGES'} .= qq[<ahref='$iB::INFO->{'BOARD_URL'}/ikonboard.$iB::INFO->{'CG\ I_EXT'}?s=$iB::SESSION;act=ST;f=$iB::IN{'f'};t=$topic->{'TOPIC_ID'};st=$RealNo'>$PageNo </a>]; } else if ($PageNo > $Pages-3) { $topic->{'PAGES'} .= qq[<ahref='$iB::INFO->{'BOARD_URL'}/ikonboard.$iB::INFO->{'CG\ I_EXT'}?s=$iB::SESSION;act=ST;f=$iB::IN{'f'};t=$topic->{'TOPIC_ID'};st=$RealNo'>$PageNo </a>]; } ++$i; } $topic->{'PAGES'} .= qq[)</span>]; }
---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Henry
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 13 2006,18:25
Thank you, Henry J. I still had a half hour of work there. I really wanted the two-dot ellipsis. Plus, Perl has a reserved word for "else if" that is not "else if" : elsif. The error message was not very helpful, either.
Posted by: stevestory on May 14 2006,10:26
What Daylight Savings Time kicked in, this board went an hour behind, as displayed on my computer.
Posted by: UnMark on May 14 2006,16:06
Thank you, Henry and Wesley!
Posted by: Henry J on May 15 2006,17:01
I noticed it now gives links to the first three, then an ellipsis (...), then links to the last three (for topics that have 7 or more pages, I guess). If I'd known those were the specs I could'a done it that way to start with.
Not to mention if I'd known that Perl spells "else if" as one word (or if I'd simply put braces around the second "if" statement, as in { if (condition) { ... } else { if (condition2) { ... } else { ... } } }, but I didn't think of it at the time. [Don Adams]Sorry about that, chief [/Don Adams] ).
Henry
Posted by: Alan Fox on May 20 2006,08:31
Dr. Elsberry
Is there a possibility that recognised file extensions for images could include .JPG, as that's how my image files are stored on my web host?
(And the spellchecker still wants to call you Dr. Elderberry.)
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 20 2006,15:04
Both "jpeg" and "jpg" are already listed as valid extensions.
Posted by: Alan Fox on May 20 2006,21:35
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 20 2006,15:04) | Both "jpeg" and "jpg" are already listed as valid extensions. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
.jpg yes but not.JPG (Capitals). I can load pics on to Blogger and elsewhere, but not here.
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 21 2006,02:57
Hmmm. Try it now.
Posted by: Alan Fox on May 21 2006,08:23
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 21 2006,02:57) | Hmmm. Try it now. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Posted by: Alan Fox on May 21 2006,08:27
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 21 2006,02:57) | Hmmm. Try it now. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Cool!
(I'll reduce any future items)
Posted by: jeannot on May 21 2006,09:09
Nice crow.
Where is this from?
Posted by: sir_toejam on May 21 2006,10:05
no...
that ain't no crow, it's a heavily laden african swallow.
Posted by: jeannot on May 21 2006,10:21
I wonder how many coconuts it can carry...
Posted by: Alan Fox on May 21 2006,21:13
Quote (jeannot @ May 21 2006,10:21) | I wonder how many coconuts it can carry... ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
I don't think He(?)'s a swallow, I'm guessing some kind of eagle, perhaps with a feather-loss problem. I was wondering if Wesley thought he might be amenable to training, as he seems quite friendly. (he seems particularly interested in anyone sunbathing.) I thought I might call him Eric.
Posted by: Alan Fox on May 21 2006,21:19
Quote (jeannot @ May 21 2006,09:09) | Nice crow.
Where is this from? ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Les Aigles de la Cité, Carcassonne.
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 22 2006,04:40
The nice birdie in the picture is likely either a < Griffin Vulture > or close relative.
As for the sunbathers, consider that motionless people without inconvenient wrappings might be of inherent interest to a vulture.
As for training, it might be done, but I sure wouldn't want to be the guy to do it. Other vultures are known for regurgitating stomach contents all over anything they deem a threat. I suspect that you'd have the same problem with a vulture, though, that you do for an osprey... even if you man them and train them to come to you, once they are loose, there is basically nothing that you can provide for them that they want. An osprey nails a fish target 19 times out of 20, and vultures don't exactly have a problem in obtaining "prey" once spotted. For red-tailed hawks going after rabbits, the success rate is more like 1 time in 20 attempts, so a falconer can well improve things by providing a reliable food source.
Posted by: stevestory on May 22 2006,05:44
Wesley Elsberry iiiiissssss....
The Falconer!
Posted by: Alan Fox on May 22 2006,07:22
< Here > is where I got the pic. They fly a gang of about a dozen Griffin Vultures, but they don't seem to lose many.
Posted by: jeannot on May 22 2006,07:26
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 22 2006,09:40) | The nice birdie in the picture is likely either a < Griffin Vulture > or close relative. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Indeed, it is Gyps fulvus, the only vulture we can find in France. In French "vautour fauve" (fauve is the color of lions. Does 'deer' refer to a color in English?)
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 22 2006,07:55
---------------------QUOTE-------------------
They fly a gang of about a dozen Griffin Vultures, but they don't seem to lose many.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Thanks for the info. It sounds like they do better than ospreys as training subjects.
Posted by: Renier on May 25 2006,00:44
I cannot amend any of my posts. I get an error, something like this "You are not permitted to use this board...blah blah... you are logged in as Renier"
Posted by: stevestory on May 28 2006,10:07
sometimes the After the Bar Closes page mentions a new post, but upon clicking the thread, you don't get the new post. I've had the delay last as long as 15 minutes. Anybody else get this or know what's going on? Manually refreshing doesn't fix it.
update: a little more data on the problem. I was seeing
---------------------QUOTE------------------- Pages: (29) < ... 25 26 27 28 [29] > ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
, and seeing 29 pages, and after 30 minutes, when it finally showed me the new comments, they were on a new page, page 30. So apparently page 30 existed for a while, but didn't immediately show up either on the front board or when you hit ">".
Posted by: Ved on May 28 2006,10:17
I just had that happen. Posting in the thread seems to fix it. Ahh, I love computers. If something doesn't work just bang on it a bit with your fist or a sonic screwdriver...
Posted by: stevestory on May 28 2006,10:29
my 'test' post didn't fix it for me. It was a good 10 minutes more before I could see page 30
Posted by: Paul Flocken on May 28 2006,11:09
Quote (stevestory @ May 28 2006,15:07) | sometimes the After the Bar Closes page mentions a new post, but upon clicking the thread, you don't get the new post. I've had the delay last as long as 15 minutes. Anybody else get this or know what's going on? Manually refreshing doesn't fix it.
update: a little more data on the problem. I was seeing
---------------------QUOTE------------------- Pages: (29) < ... 25 26 27 28 [29] > ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
, and seeing 29 pages, and after 30 minutes, when it finally showed me the new comments, they were on a new page, page 30. So apparently page 30 existed for a while, but didn't immediately show up either on the front board or when you hit ">". ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
I'll corroborate this. Yesterday I had two duplicate posts because of this bug. It turned out the first post was at the top of the next page and Steve's query here shows me there really was some problem.
Steve after several minutes of closing windows, resetting cookies, and logging in/out, I eventually restarted my computer and that seemed to let me into the next page. Although by that point other posters had dropped comments and I don't know that it wasn't those that kicked the system into letting me onto the next page rather than my restart.
Posted by: Henry J on May 28 2006,13:05
Too air is human, but two really screw up won needs a computer.
Henry
testing edit function
Posted by: ericmurphy on May 28 2006,16:46
Quote (Paul Flocken @ May 28 2006,16:09) | sometimes the After the Bar Closes page mentions a new post, but upon clicking the thread, you don't get the new post. I've had the delay last as long as 15 minutes. Anybody else get this or know what's going on? Manually refreshing doesn't fix it.
update: a little more data on the problem. I was seeing
---------------------QUOTE------------------- Pages: (29) < ... 25 26 27 28 [29] > ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
, and seeing 29 pages, and after 30 minutes, when it finally showed me the new comments, they were on a new page, page 30. So apparently page 30 existed for a while, but didn't immediately show up either on the front board or when you hit ">" ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
The problem seems to arise when comments flow onto a new page. I've had the delay be as long as an hour or two, but eventually the new comments do show up.
It seems to be only the "AF Dave's UPDATED Creator God Hypothesis" thread that has this problem. Maybe God has a problem with Dave's hypothesis?
Posted by: stevestory on May 29 2006,09:03
That thread is malfunctioning again. I know there's a new comment on a new page, page 32, but it's not showing me page 32.
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 29 2006,09:23
I've mentioned before that iB has a problem when people enter very long comments. That can cause the symptoms being described. I have not seen a fix for it.
Posted by: sir_toejam on May 29 2006,09:52
Wes, this seems to be turning into a valuable thread.
maybe sticky it?
Posted by: Henry J on May 29 2006,11:24
Re "maybe sticky it?"
Where's that duct tape...
Henry
Posted by: stevestory on June 04 2006,12:50
to everybody who's having problems with that updating on AFDave's thread, here's how you get around it. When you go to AtBC, you're at this page:
---------------------CODE SAMPLE------------------- http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?act=SF;f=14 ---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------
when you go to an AtBC thread, you get something like
---------------------CODE SAMPLE------------------- http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=14;t=1958 ---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------
that t=1958 part at the end is the thread number. When you click on a page, like page 41, you get this
---------------------CODE SAMPLE------------------- http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=14;t=1958;st=1200 ---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------
that st=1200 part means throw away the first 1200 comments, and don't show any comments higher than 1230. If there have been 1202 comments on the thread, and you click on the link and it has st=1200, you get a page with only comments 1201 and 1202 on them. sometimes, whatever updates the page 41 / 1200 numbers doesn't kick in after the next thirty comments, and in this for instance, you'll see, on the AtBC page, a link going to page 40 (st=1170) even though there've now been over thirty comments past comment 1170. So you see only comments 1170-1200, even though you've already seen them. So the solution is this--if you know there are updated comments beyond what it's showing you, go to the last page it will give you. click on the URL in that field of the browser, and manually add thirty to the number. In this case, you'd change
---------------------CODE SAMPLE------------------- http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=14;t=1958;st=1170 ---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------
to
---------------------CODE SAMPLE------------------- http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=14;t=1958;st=1200 ---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------
and then it'll take you to the hidden page.
Posted by: Ichthyic on June 05 2006,15:06
nice catch, Steve.
Your workaround does the trick every time I've run across the issue so far.
Posted by: stevestory on June 05 2006,17:12
Yeah, and it doesn't just have to be Mod 30. You can throw away any number of comments you want. Me, I'm using an old computer, and it's a little slow, so sometimes I'll calibrate based on the reply number, for instance, if there've been 1245 replies, and I think I've only missed the last few, I'll modify the link to "T=1238" replies, and only have to wait for the last 7 replies to load. It's very comprehensible, whereas some content systems aren't.
Posted by: stevestory on June 06 2006,18:38
small correction, just to be an absolute pedant about it--
t=1200 doesn't mean throw away the first 1200 comments. It actually means throw away the first 1199 comments. The first page only shows 29 comments, because it contains the original post. So the 30th reply is the first thing you see on the second page, and so on.
Posted by: jeannot on June 11 2006,08:58
To me, the number of topics displayed in a forum page is too small. Interesting threads get hidden too quickly. I don't know what you think of it, folks.
Posted by: stevestory on June 11 2006,10:15
Jeannot: Here's a small improvement you can make, though not related to the problem you mentioned. The junk up at the top of the page, like the Why Intelligent Design Fails ad, is clutter, and meant I had to scroll down to see the topics each time I loaded the page. So I got the firefox extention Remove It Permanently, and now that stuff is gone gone gone.
Another thing you can do with Remove It Permanently is get rid of most of those right-side items at Panda's Thumb, so you don't have to scroll down 5 pages to get to the Recent Comments box.
check this out:
isn't that better?
Posted by: jeannot on June 11 2006,10:43
Tanks for the tip, I know this extension, but I use safari most of the time.
Posted by: Crabby Appleton on June 13 2006,19:56
I ran into a problem similar to Alan Fox's, the board recognizes .gif but not .GIF as a valid format.
Posted by: stevestory on June 14 2006,13:15
I recognize .GIT as your valid format. -dt
Posted by: Renier on June 15 2006,04:40
I still cannot edit a post once it is posted. I get a "You are not permitted to use this board. You are logged in as Renier..."
Anyone?
Posted by: Ichthyic on June 15 2006,10:00
make sure cookies are enabled in your browser.
delete your cookies cache in your browser (or manually delete the cookie for this site)
close and restart your browser.
log yourself back in and see if that works.
if not,
write to Wes and tell him what browser version you are using, and I'm sure he will have some idea how to fix it.
Posted by: Arden Chatfield on June 15 2006,11:41
Quote (Ichthyic @ June 15 2006,15:00) | make sure cookies are enabled in your browser.
delete your cookies cache in your browser (or manually delete the cookie for this site)
close and restart your browser.
log yourself back in and see if that works.
if not,
write to Wes and tell him what browser version you are using, and I'm sure he will have some idea how to fix it. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Hey dude, I enabled your mom's cookies in her browser just last night.-ds
Posted by: Ichthyic on June 15 2006,11:55
the topic of traffic at this site and Uncommonly Droll have occured periodically, so I thought I would point out a nice site that measures traffic for comparitive purposes, Alexa.com.
< http://www.alexa.com/data....umb.org >
Posted by: Ved on June 16 2006,11:49
Quote (Ichthyic @ June 05 2006,21:06) | nice catch, Steve.
Your workaround does the trick every time I've run across the issue so far. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Yes, nice detective work!
Also, in case anyone hasn't figured it out, a one click solution is to just hit "add reply" and the missing posts show up, though in reverse order.
Steve, is there any correlation between the length of a thread and this error? It seems like it doesn't happen on short, non-trolly threads. And, if so, maybe the number of posts that cause the error is a clue to what is causing the error in the first place...
Posted by: Chris Hyland on June 21 2006,10:23
At the moment the front page says my last post on the gay marriage thread was at
---------------------QUOTE------------------- June 21 2006,20:08 ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
when it was actually at
---------------------QUOTE------------------- June 19 2006,14:01 ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
When I made that post I also remember the next last post by stevestory was given on the frontpage as being much newer than it was
Posted by: Henry J on June 21 2006,11:35
I'm guessing here, but maybe the date on the topic index gets updated when somebody votes in the poll? So for a poll, the date/time last reply doesn't necessarily apply to the "last post by" id given right under that date.
Henry
Posted by: Chris Hyland on June 21 2006,11:52
Ah yes, hence the title 'Last Action' as opposed to 'Last Post'.
Oops.
Posted by: Arden Chatfield on June 22 2006,07:47
The Uncommonly Dense thread is now doing that same thing that the AFD thread has been doing, i.e., not showing all the messages if it's just clicked over to a new page. This is the first I've noticed any other thread doing that.
Posted by: Henry J on June 22 2006,16:27
Must be the size of the datafile (or files?) containing the thread. Since UD has a way larger post count than AF so far I'm guessing it isn't just (or mainly?) the page count.
UD - 4107 posts in 137 pages over a period of 5+ months since 1-16. (Approx. 26 posts per day.) AF - 2491 posts in 84 pages over a period of 2- months since 5-1. (Approx. 49 posts per day.)
Wonder if somebody wants to start a continuation thread for each of them, post a link to the continuation thread at the bottom of each old thread, and then close the old thread to new replies?
Henry
Posted by: Ichthyic on June 23 2006,16:15
I don't know if this has been noted before, but some code that is normally ignored when placed in the body of a post, isn't when placed inside of a quote.
example:
I don't know if this has been noted before, but some code that is normally ignored when placed in the body of a post, isn't when placed inside of a "[quote]", as this example of the system ignoring the above quote code in the body demonstrates.
take the same thing and put it in a quote:
[quote]I don't know if this has been noted before, but some code that is normally ignored when placed in the body of a post, isn't when placed inside of a "
---------------------QUOTE------------------- ", as this example of the system NOT ignoring the above quote code when placed in a quote demonsrates. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
just noticed this as sometimes folks will quote parts of others' posts that have code or "pseudocode" in them already, and it ends up looking rather odd.
Posted by: Henry J on June 30 2006,06:57
On the forum topic index page line:
---------------------QUOTE------------------- Official Uncommonly Dense Discussion Thread (Pages 1 2 3 ..144 145 146 )
---------------------QUOTE-------------------
the 146 is linking to page 146, the 145 is linking to page 145, but the 144 is linking to page 145 instead of 144.
The other threads with 7 or more pages show similar symptoms.
Henry
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 01 2006,06:19
Sounds like I've got a fencepost error in my code. I'll probably get to it after the holiday.
Posted by: Henry J on July 05 2006,04:03
Was it just me or were AE and PT down most of yesterday afternoon?
Henry
Posted by: Arden Chatfield on July 05 2006,06:36
Quote (Henry J @ July 05 2006,09:03) | Was it just me or were AE and PT down most of yesterday afternoon?
Henry ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
It wasn't just you.
Posted by: Stephen Elliott on July 06 2006,14:38
Quote (Henry J @ July 05 2006,09:03) | Was it just me or were AE and PT down most of yesterday afternoon?
Henry ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Same for me. Also this site is very slow atm for me. Anyone else having problems? Reminiscent of dial-up.
EDIT: Things seem to be improving now.
Posted by: Henry J on July 18 2006,06:06
Re "Sounds like I've got a fencepost error in my code. I'll probably get to it after the holiday. "
Which holiday?
Henry
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 19 2006,08:15
What probability?
Posted by: Ichthyic on July 20 2006,01:09
whose code?
Posted by: Flint on July 21 2006,15:09
I'm not sure if this is the proper place to bitch, but I am unable to comment to Ed Brayton's blog. I enter my name, my email address, and a comment. I poke the POST button, and it says the comment is rejected because my name and email address are missing (which they are not). The help button says to use the zap cookies link for some reason. I click on that link, and get a page-not-found error. Great.
But I see that some people are able to leave comments. How are they doing this? I'd complain to Ed, but I can't comment on his forum! I'd complain on the offending PT thread, but it doesn't allow comments! Perhaps Ed is worried about critical comments?
Posted by: Ichthyic on July 21 2006,15:15
try to manually locate the cookie for that site in your browser temp files folder.
delete it, and then re-enter the site.
that is the function of a "cookie zapper", so manually doing this might solve your problem if his auto-zapper isn't working.
Posted by: Ichthyic on July 21 2006,16:54
Wes -
could you please at least double the size of the personal mailbox system?
it fills up so fast it's scary at this point.
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 22 2006,13:50
The comment authentication situation at ScienceBlogs could be better. They have all those different blogs, and many of them are set to use different forms of authentication. However, the cookie names are the same across the lot, so if you enter a comment at one blog, odds are that you will encounter a problem if you proceed to try to comment at another. As Neal says, the answer is to nuke the site-specific cookies and try again. You will likely have to do that more or less regularly as you switch around between blogs there.
I've fixed the fencepost error on the topic links.
And I've doubled the number of PMs allowed. Have fun.
Posted by: Ichthyic on July 22 2006,14:28
Whee!
I'm like a kid in a candy store.
thanks Wes.
Posted by: steve_h on July 22 2006,16:45
Is there any way to search for all my own comments? - or those of another person? I seem to recall seeing the posting history of a particular naughty person one time, but maybe that was recreated manually, or maybe I subsequently constructed a false memory, as can happen.
Posted by: Henry J on July 22 2006,17:11
Just wondering, why was the error called a "fencepost error"?
Henry
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 22 2006,19:13
Steve_h: Somewhere, I have a PHP file that queries the Ikonboard database directly. I'll try to figure out where I put that.
Henry_J: If you have a hundred foot of fence, and put a fencepost every ten feet, how many fenceposts do you need? A common error is to say "ten", when you actually need eleven of them. In programming, when an index ends up one-off, that's often called a fencepost error.
Posted by: Flint on July 23 2006,05:50
I've also seen it called "the nefarious OBOB" which stands for 'off by one bug'. Very very common.
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 23 2006,06:47
The DNS entry for AE, PT, TD, etc. is changing today. Expect some confusion/loss of access for a bit as the change propagates.
Posted by: Henry J on July 24 2006,05:52
Re "Expect some confusion" Course, for antievolutionists, that's situation normal...
Looks like PT's reply entry thing is down for now - last reply listed was from 12:07 yesterday. When I tried a reply preview a minute ago it timed out. Is that from the DNS thing?
Henry
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 24 2006,07:30
Drat. Yes, it is from the DNS switchover. One more domain needs tweaking.
Update: The change is in, and I was able to add a test comment over at PT.
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 27 2006,01:50
I've added the ability to display a single comment on its own, which may be useful for referencing specific comments rather than a comment thread or page. Click on the small "iB" icon just before "Posted:" to go to single comment view for any comment.
The "(Permalink)" URL is the same thing, just a bit more prominent.
Posted by: stevestory on Aug. 09 2006,07:17
I'm having lots of trouble getting PT and AtBC to load these days. For about a week now, it's very unreliable.
Posted by: Henry J on Aug. 09 2006,15:16
Re "For about a week now, it's very unreliable. "
I've noticed that too. Sometimes I'll load the index page, then nothing else will load from there until quite a while later.
Henry
Posted by: Paul Flocken on Aug. 13 2006,13:55
What gives with the edit function telling me I am not allowed to use this board, but I can still post and the system recognizes that I am logged in?
Posted by: Ichthyic on Aug. 17 2006,13:41
just to add to the obvious...
still getting lots of DNS errors for this and PT.
usually, it seems to worsen in the afternoon (PST).
totally off/on situation. site will be unreachable for 15 minutes or so, then it will be just fine. cycles on and off at seemingly random intervals.
I'd take a guess and say a switch is misconfigured somewhere, and is causing interrupted traffic to the DNS.
might even be far up the line from wherever the DNS is currently being hosted; I've seen that before too.
of course the only way to tell is if traffic local to where the DNS is located is affected similarly or not.
anybody out there NOT having any problems reaching PT or antievolution.org in the last week or so?
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Aug. 18 2006,10:44
Yes, I know that there is a problem. I'll be looking into it more closely over the weekend. I'm also looking into having the Foundation buy a speedier server.
Posted by: Ichthyic on Aug. 18 2006,10:58
I spent time building both large and small server systems for a living.
let me know if i can be of help.
cheers.
Posted by: deadman_932 on Aug. 18 2006,13:30
On the DNS errors: I noticed that if I used a dialup and got an error, I could go to another IP and I could bring up the site.
I was wondering if this might have something to do with the anti-flooding script?
Posted by: Henry J on Aug. 18 2006,16:40
One funny (not haha funny) thing that might (or might not) be a clue - frequently in a session I'll get the first attempt to connect to PT or ATBC, then nada for a period of several minutes following that. (Esp. for the first session of the evening from home.)
Henry
Posted by: Ichthyic on Aug. 18 2006,16:45
I've also seen the "old" PT site (the text only version) pop up from time to time recently.
Posted by: Steviepinhead on Aug. 19 2006,13:34
I realize that Wesley et al. are volunteers of the best kind, that newer-bigger-better servers cost money, etc., etc.
And I realize that Wesley is hoping to work on the issues.
But, grrr, this does get quite frustrating. Not knowing whether your comment has posted, not posted, multiply posted, wasting time hitting "preview" and "post" over and over again, getting the "can't find page" page, going back, starting over.
I've written admin with no response and no improvement. It took me four tries to get THIS page to open.
We've had multiple complaints in the PT threads themselves: me, Flint (I think), Popper's Ghost...
Help! How are we gonna have any chance of snagging that Science and Tech award again when our own "internal" tech is so kludgy.
There, I've vented. I feel temporarily better...
Posted by: MidnightVoice on Aug. 19 2006,14:21
Is it time to ask us to pay money to support a new server? Tis done on other boards - after all, someone has to pay for us to have fun
Posted by: steve_h on Aug. 19 2006,15:48
I'd be happy to chip in with an insubstantial donation for a new server. It would be nice if you could indicate how much is needed and how long into the future at current rates the running costs are covered etc. as I wouldn't want to be subsidising a life of luxury.
I also often get the "text only version". I guess that's because an attempt to retrieve the images and stylesheet, have failed. Have you been under DoS attack, or has your "declining popularity" since Kitzmiller reversed?
Posted by: deadman_932 on Aug. 19 2006,23:20
I can certainly chip in for a server. PayPal or whatever.
Posted by: Louis on Aug. 19 2006,23:31
Id be happy to mail over some pictures of the Queen's head to you guys for giving me so much enjoyment.
Louis
P.S. Yes,let us know what you need and dammit we'll get spending!
Posted by: MidnightVoice on Aug. 20 2006,04:41
On another board I used to send a fixed (small but double digit) amount every month directly to the guy who owned the server
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Aug. 20 2006,05:28
The TalkOrigins Archive Foundation is considering buying a new machine for hosting PT, AE, and TD. (We're just waiting to hear from Wilkins.) To donate to the TOA Foundation, visit < this page >.
Posted by: MidnightVoice on Aug. 20 2006,08:36
Done. Sent 10 months worth.
Remind me again in 10 months please!!
Posted by: steve_h on Aug. 20 2006,13:40
Ditto. Please don't spend it all on beer and prostitutes unless you really have to.
Posted by: deadman_932 on Aug. 22 2006,01:50
---------------------QUOTE------------------- Thank you! You've successfully completed your purchase from TalkOrigins Foundation, Inc. You've sent a secure payment of $XXXX USD to TalkOrigins Foundation, Inc. through PayPal. The payment will appear on your card statement as "PAYPAL *TALKORIGINS". ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Please spend it all on watery beer and tarts wielding swords in a lake. Or a server.
Posted by: MidnightVoice on Aug. 22 2006,02:16
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Aug. 20 2006,10:28) | The TalkOrigins Archive Foundation is considering buying a new machine for hosting PT, AE, and TD. (We're just waiting to hear from Wilkins.) To donate to the TOA Foundation, visit < this page >. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
And for those of us in the US of A, I understand it is tax deductible. I know that, given the salaries of scientists, that is not a biggie, but every little helps.
“The wages of Sin are death: The wages of scientists are worse”
Posted by: skeptic on Aug. 23 2006,02:57
Wes, have polls been temporarily disabled? I no longer see the link to start a new one. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place.
Posted by: Ichthyic on Aug. 23 2006,12:01
our bad; we had a poll frenzy week before you arrived, and Wes decided enough was enough.
Posted by: Steviepinhead on Aug. 23 2006,13:08
Just sent in my donation-for-new-server. Pretty painless and relieved a scootch or two of my increasing frustration.
Now for a Scotch or two...
Posted by: stevestory on Aug. 26 2006,09:39
Argy asks:
---------------------QUOTE------------------- Steve,
What's the moderation policy around here these days? Do annoying "Paley, you are, uh, blithering again" posts disappear entirely, or will there be use of the bathroom wall? ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
This is a good question. Let's start by looking at Wesley's rules for the board:
---------------------QUOTE------------------- Antievolution.org Discussion Board Rules
* MetaRule 1) DO NOT respond to inappropriate messages with a message. * MetaRule 2) DO NOT enter inappropriate messages. * No illegal messages. Posting an illegal message will be considered excessively annoying. * No obscenity or foul language. There is no need to express a message in vulgar language. * There are many different fora. Be sure to pick the *most appropriate* forum for your message. That could be at a different board. * Advertisements should be limited to items of a scientific interest and should not be posted by those with a vested interest in the item being sold, unless specifically requested by another participant. * Messages which insult or attack an individual are not appropriate. As those messages should be regarded as inappropriate, it is also inappropriate to follow up such a message with a reply. Use email for such correspondence, or to register a complaint with the moderator(s). Pointing out gaps in fields of reference (otherwise known as "ignorance") is *not* an attack. * Messages making claims about the actions, beliefs, or intentions of identifiable participants are an implicit call for discussion. The claimant is responsible for such claims. Failure to retract unsupported claims about other participants is grounds for banishment. * Each user is requested to consider the quantity and quality of his/her messages. One specific item to be aware of is that repetition of the same quoted material at a frequency greater than once per month is considered annoying. * Science makes no claim to be a source for all truth, i.e. events and activities which are unobservable and/or untestable are outside the realm of scientific inquiry. Religious beliefs that are outside the limits of science may be true or not; science is silent on the issue. * *Supporting* or *attacking* religious belief is inappropriate on this discussion board. A variety of other fora are more appropriate for such discourse. * Moderation messages not entered by the moderator are NOT appropriate on the board. Responses to moderation messages will be made via email, not on the board. Violators may be deemed "excessively annoying" at the moderators' discretion. * :Annoying: The state of being a hindrance to harmonious, or even interesting, discussion. Repeatedly being annoying will be considered excessively annoying. * :Excessively annoying: The state of being a hindrance to harmonious, or even interesting, discussion to such a degree that immediate termination of access is warranted or demanded. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Glancing through those quickly, I think I've violated 90% of those rules myself. Argy even violated one of them by publicly asking me about them. So we can safely say that these rules will be generally followed, but not all that strictly. You can violate the rules somewhat. and as long as there's some meat to what you're saying, I won't object. Although Wesley still might--my moderation powers augment his, they do not replace his.
What I'm most concerned about, is threads staying on topic. I don't care if the topic is a lovefest or a shouting match, as long as there's substantive discussion. We all hang out here and make snarky jokes and such, and those don't threaten threads. Sometimes comments are made which introduce a big meaty topic which isn't relevant to the thread, and those I might move to the Bathroom Wall at times, if there isn't a thread fit for it. People put effort into their comments and it's usually very rude to just delete their work. That said, there have been a few comments I have just outright deleted. They're the type of throwaway comments that make you roll your eyes. You know the type. "Hey you creationist, suck my balls".
Enforcement of these rules is kind of like enforcement of speeding--spotty at best. For the same reasons. And if you want a rough estimate of how mean I am, there have probably been 500 comments since my moderation began, and I've deleted about 8.
My moderation is going to be imperfect, but I don't think it's going to hurt anybody. And it'll help me if everyone sends private messages to voice their opinions about the matter.
Posted by: MidnightVoice on Aug. 27 2006,07:23
Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 26 2006,14:39) | Sometimes comments are made which introduce a big meaty topic which isn't relevant to the thread, and those I might move to the Bathroom Wall at times, if there isn't a thread fit for it. People put effort into their comments and it's usually very rude to just delete their work. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
On some boards (vBull) the Mods have a "split thread" option for exactly these circumstanves.
Posted by: stevestory on Aug. 27 2006,09:21
Yeah, we've got stuff like that here, too, but I'm not familiar with it. I don't want to hit the wrong button, and, say, delete all 5000 AFDave Thread comments.
Posted by: MidnightVoice on Aug. 27 2006,10:41
Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 27 2006,14:21) | Yeah, we've got stuff like that here, too, but I'm not familiar with it. I don't want to hit the wrong button, and, say, delete all 5000 AFDave Thread comments. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
But that would be a service to the whole community
Posted by: Darth Robo on Aug. 29 2006,04:43
Hello. Wee call for help actually.
Attempting to activate my registration on ATBC, unfortunately my computer skills are about as good as my driving skills (sorry). So I hope I'm posting this at the right place.
I keep getting this error message:
"An error occured, not all of the required fields were sent from the validation link. Please ensure that they whole link was entered, it's possible that your email clients auto-wrapper cut the link in half. Please try again.
You are NOT logged in"
I've tried pressing the links provided in the email and also copying & pasting them into my browser. Even when already logged in, going into these particular links, they dont seem to recognise me being logged in and I get the same error message. I don't seem to have a problem logging in otherwise or with posting comments on a thread, but of course, I won't be able to after 30 days if I can't activate this darn thing. Could anyone help? Thanks.
Sincerely,
Darth Robo
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Aug. 29 2006,10:00
I don't see a problem in "Darth Robo" member record. Not sure what the error message thing was about.
Posted by: Darth Robo on Aug. 29 2006,12:20
Well I only registered with this forum the other day and have since tried to confirm the membership as I was asked to in the initial email and kept getting that error message. But if everything looks cool, then I guess that's cool. Thank you for checking up on me.
Posted by: Ichthyic on Aug. 30 2006,22:45
---------------------QUOTE------------------- "Commentary: How would you like to be the wholly-owned servant to an organic meatbag? It's demeaning! If, uh, you weren't one yourself, I mean..." ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
uh, is that from a certain special droid we all know and love from KOTOR?
ahh, yes, now that i take a closer look at your avatar, I see it is.
I suspect I saw you on one of the Kotor forums at one point or another?
Posted by: Darth Robo on Aug. 31 2006,14:04
Nope, 'fraid not. I'm not much of a computer expert. Actually, Pandas was my first foray into internet forums (lurked for nearly a year before posting).
I do think this droid deserves to be in a movie, though.
Posted by: Ichthyic on Aug. 31 2006,17:43
I do believe the actor that did the voice for HK47 has in fact been in several movies, though I'd have to look up which ones.
yes, that character would be a good one for a flick.
Posted by: stevestory on Sep. 01 2006,04:18
Just a note: everyone might want to doublecheck their spam filters. I just learned that Gmail considered basically anything from Iconboard to be spam.
Posted by: Alan Fox on Sep. 07 2006,20:51
Steve,
Now you have your new role as moderator, with that additional responsibility, I wonder had you considered reviewing your listed interests in your profile?
Posted by: Ved on Sep. 08 2006,06:49
What happened to the "Plan B" thread? I don't see it anymore...
Posted by: stevestory on Sep. 08 2006,07:03
I was kind of reluctant to begin with. It was intended to spur discussion about some thorny bioethics questions. It really didn't belong here anyway, despite the bio prefix. But then GoP showed up and started repeating the usual talking points, and when it was clear that if the thread continued, it would become the GoP Debates a Political Issue Thread #28, I deleted it.
Posted by: snoeman on Sep. 13 2006,18:48
A request:
One of the features I like about PT is that the browser automatically scrolls down to the newer comments.
I'm assuming AtBC uses different software, so the same feature might not be easily added here, but it would be a "nice to have," should the idea strike Dr. Elsberry favorably when he has literally nothing else to do.
Thanks.
Posted by: Henry J on Sep. 21 2006,09:41
I wonder something. -
Since a link like [...];act=ST;f=14;t=1958;st=6000 shows replies 6001 through 6030,
and a link like [...];act=SA;f=14;t=1958 shows all replies,
could we have [...];act=SA;f=14;t=1958;st=6000 to show all replies from 6001 to the end of the thread?
If the act=SA and st=6000 parameters could be used together, then the link on the highest page number on a multipage thread could use that, and show the rest of the thread even if the last page number given on the index page is out of date.
Henry
Posted by: Ved on Sep. 27 2006,10:22
Steve, thanks for splitting afdave's broken thread. Can I make one suggestion? What I've seen done elsewhere is to put a link to the original thread right at the very top of the new one. I know Davey's been concerned about the original "Best Thread Ever" slipping off the top page, and he's said he's going to be reposting links to it throughout the new one. Maybe we can save him the trouble so he can have more time to consider backing up his hyper-thesis.
Also, I know that the UD thread isn't broken, but could it's size be contributing to sever performance issues? When I hung out at reefcentral I remember seeing some huge threads getting split up before, and the reason given was that the large size was taxing the server.
Posted by: Henry J on Sep. 27 2006,10:29
The U.D. and the Bathroom Wall threads have occasionally shown that same symptom (a delayed update of the page numbers on the forum index page).
Henry
Posted by: stevestory on Sep. 29 2006,07:44
Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 27 2006,16:29) | The U.D. and the Bathroom Wall threads have occasionally shown that same symptom (a delayed update of the page numbers on the forum index page).
Henry ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
The bathroom wall is very broken in this way, and the UD thread is slightly broken. I'll think about it.
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Oct. 01 2006,08:39
I think I have a workaround for threads busted by the post count bug. If I manually update the thread_posts field in forum_topics, that should allow people to browse normally, until such time as whatever causes the counts to diverge from the actual strikes again. I'm thinking that an error that occurs after the post is inserted into forum_posts but before the thread_posts field can be updated is the likely culprit.
I've manually updated the BW and UD topics thus far.
Posted by: stevestory on Oct. 01 2006,09:22
thanks
Posted by: Arden Chatfield on Oct. 01 2006,12:51
Steve, clear some space in your mailbox, it's not accepting new messages!
Posted by: BWE on Oct. 03 2006,08:41
Is there any way to have a series of quick links to all of a users posts appear in the "Antievolution.org Discussion Board > iB::Viewing member profile" section?
I bet there is. Might be able to turn it on and off from control panel or something. There are times when it would be very useful. When having multiple conversations on one thread for example. (AFDave)
Posted by: Mike PSS on Oct. 05 2006,04:23
That winking smilie is annoying. It's triggered not only by 'semi-colon close parethesise' but also by 'single quote close parenthesise' like this:
OR '
I've noticed it popping up in a lot of messages where the author never intended.
Posted by: deadman_932 on Oct. 05 2006,08:10
---------------------QUOTE------------------- Steve, clear some space in your mailbox, it's not accepting new messages! ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
I've been sending steve oodles of pron spam, but don't tell him it was me.
Posted by: Arden Chatfield on Oct. 05 2006,19:08
Quote (deadman_932 @ Oct. 05 2006,13:10) |
---------------------QUOTE------------------- Steve, clear some space in your mailbox, it's not accepting new messages! ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
I've been sending steve oodles of pron spam, but don't tell him it was me. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Pron spam? Sounds like some kind of seafood thing they'd eat in Hawaii...
Either way, your secret is safe with me.
Posted by: ericmurphy on Oct. 06 2006,08:21
Quote (Mike PSS @ Oct. 05 2006,09:23) | That winking smilie is annoying. It's triggered not only by 'semi-colon close parethesise' but also by 'single quote close parenthesise' like this:
;) OR ')
I've noticed it popping up in a lot of messages where the author never intended. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Before you post your message, uncheck the box below the text entry field that says "Do you wish to enable emoticons for this post?
Annoyingly, you have to do it every single time you preview your message, and before you post it, because it keeps defaulting to "checked."
I just disabled it for this post, and as you'll note, your smilies are gone.
Posted by: Russell on Oct. 07 2006,12:26
This question has probably been asked and answered before...
But what's with the extremely frequent "page currently not available" errors for this site? And for Panda's Thumb? It seems that whenever the one is unavailable, the other one is also unavailable. I'm pretty sure the frequency of those unavailabilities is a lot higher than any other site I ever visit.
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Oct. 08 2006,00:24
Yes, downtime is a problem that we know about. We've been working on it, but there doesn't seem to be a simple fix for an intermittent problem.
Posted by: Russell on Oct. 08 2006,03:14
Do we know what the source of the problem is? Is it a software issue, or a hardware issue (an overburdened server, for instance)?
Posted by: Henry J on Oct. 09 2006,08:47
I notice that the Britney thread seems to have disappeared - maybe it didn't have enough CSI or something?
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Oct. 10 2006,10:43
I found the Britney thread excessively annoying.
Posted by: Henry J on Oct. 10 2006,12:11
To say the least, yeah.
Posted by: Steviepinhead on Oct. 23 2006,08:25
Now what's wrong with Degas?
Monday morning, 10/23, there appear to have been no new posts on PT since Friday evening. Refreshing does zippo, whether on a given thread or on the main site. Posting--er, attempting to post, er, make that, even attempting to preview--a comment results in "409 Forbidden."
Wha?!?
This really does get old. If money is needed, one of the member-posters needs to go on the main site, start a post, and ask for the money. What is so hard about getting a bigger server, better interface software, whatever.
Were we so bowled over with getting the SciAm award last year that we're determined to retreat into obscurity?
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Oct. 23 2006,10:25
Clear your browser cache.
Posted by: Steviepinhead on Oct. 23 2006,16:08
Thanks, Wesley. Not only was that easy to do, but it worked! I 've never had a similar situation develop with any other internet site, even ones on which I am a more frequent visitor than here (even one that I partially moderate). But I'm far from an expert, so I'll reserve judgment on why PT and my one-and-only cache-overload "appear" to be correlated.
Thanks for the prompt response and the effective assistance..
Posted by: Henry J on Oct. 23 2006,16:30
Steviepinhead, Re "I 've never had a similar situation develop with any other internet site, even ones on which I am a more frequent visitor than here"
Do any of those have forums that approach the level of traffic that this one gets? (Esp. with that several hundred page thread that started less than a year ago... )
I figure a website that isn't a forum of some sort would be unlikely to present that type of problem, since its pages wouldn't generally change that much on a daily basis.
Henry
Posted by: Steviepinhead on Oct. 24 2006,08:43
Henry: possibly not and, again, I don't have the tech knowledge to defend any claim that PT's infrastructure isn't performing comparably to a "comparable" site or forum.
But problems continue to occur with accessing the site, slow loading of the site, accessing the comments, slow loading of the comments, previewing and posting the comments, unintentional duplication of comments, accessing AtBC, etc., that I either NEVER have anywhere else or have very rarely.
I realize that we are in some sort of a server changeover, so I'm not going to jump up and down any further until that's been given a fair chance to shake out.
But, ultimately, if problems continue to occur, it would seem that at least one of several hypotheses becomes increasingly reasonable: we simply need more horsepower--let's make a concerted effort to fund and purchase it; we need better interface software (degas: ugh!)--let's investigate the options and obtain something that does a better job. Etc.
I'm fully aware that when I say "we," I actually mean hard-working souls like Wesley and Reed, who have a lot on their own plates...so I'm being patient.
Being patient.
Being patient...
Posted by: Steviepinhead on Oct. 24 2006,15:17
Something remains screwy. The site continues to "freeze" at various points in time, particularly refusing to update to show more recent comments.
One sincerely hopes that "Clear cache" hasn't been substituted for "Refresh."
Posted by: Steviepinhead on Oct. 25 2006,09:17
Same thing again today, 10/25: opened PT and was still looking at "Recent Comments" which has frozen with one of Lenny's on the Poynter Institute from early yesterday. "Refresh" did nothing. Cleared the cache again (sigh) and got to see the new posts (Obama, Miller, etc.) and new comments.
This ain't right, folks. I'm using XP and IE, hardly the best but certainly the most whitebread operating system and browser out there. They're giving me zero trouble with any other site.
What is up, really?
Posted by: stevestory on Oct. 25 2006,17:11
(The moderator returns home after being in town half the day. Pulls up AtBC...Let's see...About 6 active threads...Lookin good...Maybe a halloween idea... ~40 or so new comments explaining why AFDave's new claims are wrong 27 different ways... Everything's normal...Several more comments on that worthless ghetto thread of Paley's... Revisiting the reasons pro/con for taking action about that mess...checking out the UD thread...chuckle chuckle...)
Posted by: BWE on Oct. 26 2006,07:07
SteveStory, very good judgement on moderation. Masturbating hobos is a good place to draw the line.
Is there any way to see all comments by a single poster?
Posted by: stevestory on Oct. 26 2006,09:37
Quote (BWE @ Oct. 26 2006,13:07) | Is there any way to see all comments by a single poster? ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
I wish there were, but I have not found such a thing.
Posted by: ScaryFacts on Oct. 26 2006,09:46
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 26 2006,15:37) | Quote (BWE @ Oct. 26 2006,13:07) | Is there any way to see all comments by a single poster? ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
I wish there were, but I have not found such a thing. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Go to Google and type in:
postername site:antievolution.org
it will give you all of the pages where the poster posts or is mentioned. It's not perfect, but at least it's something.
Posted by: hereoisreal on Oct. 29 2006,16:13
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 26 2006,14:37) | Quote (BWE @ Oct. 26 2006,13:07) | Is there any way to see all comments by a single poster? ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
I wish there were, but I have not found such a thing. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Steve, this site has that feature if you sign in.
You can find every post of mine with one click.
< http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/forumdisplay.php?f=161 >
zero
Posted by: Ichthyic on Oct. 29 2006,21:01
Quote (BWE @ Oct. 26 2006,12:07) | SteveStory, very good judgement on moderation. Masturbating hobos is a good place to draw the line.
Is there any way to see all comments by a single poster? ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
uh, why can't you click on the search button at the top of the page, then use the search by field to select "user name"? then simply type the name of the user in the keywords field, and select the range of dates you want to search in, and the forum.
works for me.
Posted by: BWE on Oct. 30 2006,18:38
I am not getting individual posts. I am getting the whole thread.
Posted by: Ichthyic on Oct. 30 2006,20:55
ah yes, the posts selector doesn't work like it's supposed to.
sorry.
I usually am just looking for the threads themselves, so hadn't bothered to notice before.
oh well.
Posted by: Henry J on Oct. 31 2006,05:53
What about (after identifying which thread), downloading the whole thread using the "All" link (as text file if you don't want to mess with the html code), load that into a word processor or text editor, then use the search function in that?
Henry
Posted by: Henry J on Oct. 31 2006,10:11
---------------------QUOTE------------------- Server Issues
Reed A. Cartwright posted Entry 2679 on October 31, 2006 03:33 PM. Trackback URL:
When we switched to our new server software, it appears to have screwed up how some browser’s manage their cache. This means that some browsers are stuck on an out dated front page.
To fix this issue, you need to clean out your cache (or temporary internet files).
I also recommend that you upgrade to a modern browser like Firefox if possible.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Iow, each time we see one of these discrepencies, clear the disk cache right then, and then reload the page(s)?
Henry
Posted by: stevestory on Oct. 31 2006,10:48
Sometimes I can't get here for an hour, and then see that there were several comments during that time, so my experience isn't necessarily representative of the group. Everybody knows there are connection problems, I don't want to be annoying by recomplaining, but I am curious about how my experiences are matching others'. Has today been the absolute worst for anyone else? I'd say 90% of my attempts to load a page have timed out today.
Posted by: MidnightVoice on Oct. 31 2006,10:53
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 31 2006,16:48) | I am curious about how my experiences are matching others'. Has today been the absolute worst for anyone else? I'd say 90% of my attempts to load a page have timed out today. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
100% success on page loading so far today.
But the computer's version of 25 seconds between posts differes from that of my watch
I think the problems might be restricted to those who have not donated enough money
Posted by: ericmurphy on Oct. 31 2006,14:01
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 31 2006,16:48) | Sometimes I can't get here for an hour, and then see that there were several comments during that time, so my experience isn't necessarily representative of the group. Everybody knows there are connection problems, I don't want to be annoying by recomplaining, but I am curious about how my experiences are matching others'. Has today been the absolute worst for anyone else? I'd say 90% of my attempts to load a page have timed out today. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
It seems like it's an all-or-nothing proposition. Either pages come up pretty quickly, or the connection times out.
Today's been one of the worst in the recent past in terms of time-outs.
Posted by: Henry J on Nov. 01 2006,05:44
On the T.O. website, the page < http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/feedback/2006.html > needs updating with links to the August and September feedback pages.
Posted by: stevestory on Nov. 02 2006,18:56
BTW, you guys are developing a reputation. Occasionally in my blogosphere travels I encounter a creationist who I think will provide lots of entertainment for us. Sometimes I contact them and let them know that a good fiesty discussion can be had by starting a thread here which focuses on their ideas.
The last two times I've done this, upon mention of AtBC, the response has been, "Yeah, uh, thanks but no thanks." They react like I'm asking if I can throw them bodily into a Troy-Bilt chipper shredder.
Posted by: Ichthyic on Nov. 02 2006,19:10
"The Chipper Shredder"
oooh, i think i just found the name for a new blog.
...and it appears it's not taken!
muhahahaha.
Posted by: Henry J on Nov. 08 2006,16:01
I was about to ask how come some of the threads on PT are coming up as blank pages, but decided to clear cache first. All the threads opened after that. Coincidence, or not?
Henry
Posted by: Steviepinhead on Nov. 09 2006,17:01
This morning, 11/9/06, the main PT site wouldn't open at all.
This afternoon, in a miracle that almost equals that of the recent election, the site seems to be working fine. Not only does it open, but the comments open, new comments post without problems, and everything refreshes in real-time, without need for cache-clearing.
Now, if only that kind of performance could be sustained.
But I'm not holding my breath.
Posted by: deadman_932 on Nov. 10 2006,12:40
steve: what's the progress on obtaining a new server or at least a good used one? The levels of problems with this board are unlike any other site that I visit.
Cache-clearing, changing IP's using proxies or whatever seem to "help" a bit, but...this is pretty bad.
Oh, and I did donate 50 bucks towards a new server, so I'm not *just* complaining, although I like doing that. And another thing, why isn't this place cleaned up yet? Clothes all over the place, empty booze bottles, pizza boxes, ####. It's like carnival workers lived here.
Posted by: Henry J on Nov. 10 2006,13:38
Re "And another thing, why isn't this place cleaned up yet? [...] "
Not to mention the, uh, "advertisement fliers" cluttering up the "Intelligent Design News" forum...
Posted by: Steviepinhead on Nov. 10 2006,16:06
I sent in $50 too!
Which is why I feel entitled to whine...!
Sorry about all the pizza boxes though. I do bus mine, when I'm not too drunk to forget.
(Hmmm. There's a good country song in this thread somewhere: "The servers never pick up the pizza cartons... The stupid servers don't seem to do much at all! Guess I'll just chug down another coupla bottles, Then kick old a-f-dave on down the hall!")
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 15 2006,20:43
The new server box is being assembled. Components include an Intel Core2Duo 2.4 GHz CPU, 4 GB of PC6400 DDR2 800MHz RAM, and two 250 GB SATA drives. Reed and I are planning the changeover for this weekend.
Posted by: stevestory on Nov. 15 2006,22:03
Quote (deadman_932 @ Nov. 10 2006,13:40) | steve: what's the progress on obtaining a new server or at least a good used one? The levels of problems with this board are unlike any other site that I visit.
Cache-clearing, changing IP's using proxies or whatever seem to "help" a bit, but...this is pretty bad.
Oh, and I did donate 50 bucks towards a new server, so I'm not *just* complaining, although I like doing that. And another thing, why isn't this place cleaned up yet? Clothes all over the place, empty booze bottles, pizza boxes, ####. It's like carnival workers lived here. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Steve: wakes up dead, on his horse: C&^%suckers!
No, sorry, DVD's of Deadwood notwithstanding, the servers here are maintained by Wesley Elsberry and Reed Cartwright. They are doing their level best, despite the huge problems connecting with this site. Some kinda problem laid in about July and ain't resolved itself since then. I trust in those which maintain the servers, despite my gripes.
Posted by: Steviepinhead on Nov. 16 2006,16:10
Thanks, guys! All efforts to better the situation are appreciated.
Hope the transition this weekend goes as smoothly as such things ever do, heh heh, and I'll keep my fingers crossed that things actually improve.
Dang! Almost forgot to take that pizza box with me. Again...
Posted by: Henry J on Nov. 16 2006,16:51
Looks like the PT thread < chapter 3 > has been targetted by pest(s).
Posted by: Lou FCD on Nov. 19 2006,08:07
Wow, is the new server up and running now? ... because this place (and PT, too) is F'ing ROCKIN'.
It hasn't even thought about balking this morning.
('Course it's Sunday morning, but still it's quick, slick, and something else that should rhyme with quick, but I can't think of nuthin.)
Anyways, I know y'all probably always hear the bad stuff, I thought you should hear an "Attaboy".
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 20 2006,00:32
The planned complete switchover, unfortunately, had to be postponed. The gear I got didn't play nice with FreeBSD, so I had to return it.
I did, however, get 2 GB of the fastest memory that would work in the current system and put that in. That happened later in the day, though.
Posted by: Richardthughes on Nov. 20 2006,01:00
You should set a paypal for donations. I'm good for it. Just don't splurge it on copies of "Of pandas and people".
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 20 2006,01:07
< Donate via PayPal to the TalkOrigins Archive Foundation >
This link is found on the TOA front page (text: "Make a Donation") and on the PT front page (in the "Information" box on the right sidebar, text: " * Support PT: Donate to the TalkOrigins Archive Foundation").
Is there something that should be done to make those more visible?
Posted by: Richardthughes on Nov. 20 2006,01:22
Just sent a little something.
Its a tough call with regard to visability. You want it to be an option, but not to feel like begging. A subtle 'contribute' link or somesuch?
Posted by: deadman_932 on Nov. 20 2006,14:19
The new memory seems to have done the trick for the most part, El Jefe Elsberry. Cheers!
Posted by: Steviepinhead on Nov. 20 2006,14:29
Things were working slick for a while on the PT site.
But now we're back to "Can't be found." Sigh. Still seems better overall, time-averaged, than a week ago...
Posted by: Arden Chatfield on Nov. 21 2006,13:32
As of yesterday afternoon, it was no better. I had at least 4 times where ATBC wouldn't load, once where it wouldn't load for more than 5 minutes. I don't see that the new memory did much.
Posted by: Steviepinhead on Nov. 21 2006,14:24
Well, the new memory is apparently just a band-aid. Both PT and AtBC remain hard to access, but at least once you get on them, commenting isn't nearly the pain it was getting to be (not saying it's smooth as silk, either, but comments can generally be previewed and posted...).
Once you can get the site to load in the first place, which seems to be running about 60%.
On a good day.
Posted by: Lou FCD on Nov. 22 2006,22:26
Yeah, I guess I had on my Sunday Morning Rose Colored Glasses.
I'll be chippin' in. It's still choking, but not nearly as much as before. That's somethin'.
Posted by: MidnightVoice on Nov. 26 2006,16:17
Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 20 2006,01:22) | Just sent a little something.
Its a tough call with regard to visability. You want it to be an option, but not to feel like begging. A subtle 'contribute' link or somesuch? ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
What I do is keep bringing up the subject
Posted by: Russell on Nov. 27 2006,07:43
A few technical questions I can't believe I haven't gotten around to figuring out:
(1) How do people get their quote-boxes to include the source in the heading, like this:
---------------------QUOTE------------------- Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 20 2006,01:22) ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
(2) What does the iB Code Button marked "Code" at the top of the "Reply" box do?
(3) What does the _@ Code button do?
(4) How do you use fonts other than with the [b], [i], and [U] options?
(5) How do people get bullet-point lists to appear as bullet-point lists?
(6) How should I have learned all this stuff by myself, and, once I know the answer to that, will I find a wealth of other dazzling cyber-wizardry with which to win friends and influence my uncle?
-Russell, an old fart for whom all this new-fangled technology just moves too fast.
Posted by: steve_h on Nov. 27 2006,18:42
Quote (Russell @ Nov. 27 2006,14:43) | A few technical questions I can't believe I haven't gotten around to figuring out: Method 1. (1) How do people get their quote-boxes to include the source in the heading, like this:
---------------------QUOTE------------------- Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 20 2006,01:22) ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
---------------------QUOTE-------------------
1a. Use the "quote" button, shown at the top-right of every comment, to quote an entire post. 1b. Enter some text in the first window, cut bits from the quote which you don't want in the second window. 1c. Preview - you see a preview of your post. The first window is now modified to include the quoted text in quote tags. You can now proceed exactly as if you'd entered the quote using method 2. Normally I preview again at this point. Method 2. 2. and/or enter quoted text between
---------------------CODE SAMPLE------------------- [quote=x,y] blah blah blah[/quote] ---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------
where x is normally the poster name, and y the date. You can write anything in place of x and y but they must be seperated by a comma. (see page one of this thread for some convoluted examples). Quote (Russell @ Nov. 27 2006,14:43) |
(2) What does the iB Code Button marked "Code" at the top of the "Reply" box do?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------
It does the same as the "permalink" link. It gives you a way to provide a link to an individual comment which you can, for example, post to interested others. To use it, click on the icon, and then copy the link from the address bar of your browser. That was completely wrong. It lets you write code segments which are pretty much taken exactly as you type them. The first time you press it, a code tag is added at the end of the input box. You then enter your code sample and then press the code button a second time to generate a closing tag. For example, I use a code segments below to show how to use EMAIL tags. Quote (Russell @ Nov. 27 2006,14:43) | (3) What does the _@ Code button do?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------
It asks you for an email address. The email address will be displayed an an email link by dressing it up with bb stuff which eventually gets replaced by html stuff. The stuff gets written at the end of the input area, not at the current cursor position so you may have to cut and paste. Alternatively click not the button but enter
---------------------CODE SAMPLE------------------- [email]email@xxx.com[/email] ---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------
instead. Quote (Russell @ Nov. 27 2006,14:43) |
(4) How do you use fonts other than with the [b], [i], and [U] options?
(5) How do people get bullet-point lists to appear as bullet-point lists?
(6) How should I have learned all this stuff by myself, and, once I know the answer to that, will I find a wealth of other dazzling cyber-wizardry with which to win friends and influence my uncle?
---------------------QUOTE-------------------
I don't know if 4 & 5 are possible. Answers to 1,2, and 3 have so far proved dissapointing in regards to improving wealth and influence Quote (Russell @ Nov. 27 2006,14:43) |
-Russell, an old fart for whom all this new-fangled technology just moves too fast. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
edit: the bit about CODE was completely wrong.
Posted by: steve_h on Nov. 27 2006,18:52
Using guesswork and preview
---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------
[*] point 1 [*] point 2
---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------
point 1 point 2
I couldn't get level 2 items using
---------------------CODE SAMPLE------------------- [**] ---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------
Wesley, what software are you using? Is there a version freely available for inspection somewhere?
Posted by: steve_h on Nov. 27 2006,19:00
I don't know about using other fonts etc, but if you see any examples (which I haven't), you could always try using the "quote" button to see how the original poster did it.
(edit) However the "posting abilities" section suggests that some users (Wes, Steve Story) could be entering plain HTML which would give them full control over the appearence of thier posts (boo hiss etc). (/edit)
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 30 2006,22:43
IkonBoard 3.02a is the version of the software running. It was freely available, though I don't know where you would find a zip or tar file of it now.
No, at least I don't use any special HTML for my own posts. I don't think that anyone else here is able to do so, either. The iB code stuff is very much similar to UBB code, which many people have experience with.
Posted by: stevestory on Nov. 30 2006,23:07
Quote (steve_h @ Nov. 27 2006,20:00) | I don't know about using other fonts etc, but if you see any examples (which I haven't), you could always try using the "quote" button to see how the original poster did it.
(edit) However the "posting abilities" section suggests that some users (Wes, Steve Story) could be entering plain HTML which would give them full control over the appearence of thier posts (boo hiss etc). (/edit) ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Actually, I enter my posts using Assembly Code. That gives me Total Control, NOOB!
(not really)
Posted by: steve_h on Dec. 01 2006,13:03
I found a ib301.zip by guessing at filenames: A list red otherBig non-proportional font MMMMMMMMMM. Thanks for the correction, Scary
---------------------CODE SAMPLE------------------- A list[list][*] one [*] two [list] [*]2a [*] 2b [/list][/list] [color=red]red[/color] [color=#00FFCC]other[/color][size=12]Big[/size] [font=courier]non-proportional font MMMMMMMMMM. Thanks for the correction, Scary.[/font] ---------------------CODE SAMPLE-------------------
Comic sans Edit: corrected font name as per the following post.
Posted by: ScaryFacts on Dec. 01 2006,18:15
Very helpful post--one minor correction on non-proportional fonts...
I think you had a typo in the font name--courier.
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Dec. 05 2006,08:31
My weblog got SlashDotted yesterday, with over 8,000 page hits logged. How bad did access here get for people yesterday, compared to other recent days?
Posted by: stevestory on Dec. 05 2006,13:33
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 05 2006,09:31) | My weblog got SlashDotted yesterday, with over 8,000 page hits logged. How bad did access here get for people yesterday, compared to other recent days? ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
not much worse than normal. One or two hours where it was totally unreachable.
Posted by: Alan Fox on Dec. 12 2006,11:24
The AE server is still very slow to respond. I am currently being rationed on my blogging by my wife and an egg-timer. It is very frustrating to watch the minutes tick by waiting for a page to update.
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Dec. 20 2006,02:10
We switched to a new connection a couple of hours ago. We should have more bandwidth to play with.
I also have an order in on a server box. It may take a while to get it, install software, and ship it. I'll keep you posted.
Posted by: ericmurphy on Dec. 20 2006,10:52
Once I flushed my DNS cache, things seem to work pretty well. Pages definitely seem to load faster, and (fingers crossed) I haven't had a page timeout yet.
Posted by: Arden Chatfield on Dec. 20 2006,11:59
For some reason, I have NOT been able to get into ATBC with my laptop airport DSL connection all day (or PT, for that matter), and I've tried over a dozen times. I don't know why, but I CAN log on using my main, slower, non-airport connection computer. WTF?
Either way, for me personally, my ability to use this site is REALLY bad today.
Posted by: ericmurphy on Dec. 20 2006,12:19
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Dec. 20 2006,11:59) | For some reason, I have NOT been able to get into ATBC with my laptop airport DSL connection all day (or PT, for that matter), and I've tried over a dozen times. I don't know why, but I CAN log on using my main, slower, non-airport connection computer. WTF?
Either way, for me personally, my ability to use this site is REALLY bad today. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Interesting; this site has gone from being one of the slowest-loading to one of the fastest overnight. Thanks Wes! And whoever your new ISP is.
If you're using OS X, I'm thinking the problem with your laptop is you need to refresh your DNS cash. If you're logged in as an administrator, type
sudo lookupd -flushcache
then enter your admin password when prompted. If you're not logged in as an admin, su to an admin account, then type in the above command.
If you're using Windows, the command is ipconfig /flushdns
That will flush the DNS cache and you should be able to connect.
Posted by: MidnightVoice on Dec. 21 2006,09:53
It has been very clunky for a couple of days, but today it is fast. New server of a lot of people giving up for a while?
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Dec. 21 2006,12:07
The switch to our new internet connection happened early on the 20th. The switch from Apache to Lighttpd took place last night.
I don't know about whether people stopped using the box coincidentally, but I do know that total bandwidth use has increased.
Average upstream for the server right now is about 520kbps. This is significantly more than our total maximum upstream was on the old connection.
Posted by: MidnightVoice on Dec. 21 2006,12:52
Do we have a whoopee, jumping up and down smilie?
Great news. I am a happy camper
Posted by: Alan Fox on Dec. 21 2006,14:01
Great stuff Dr Elsberry, myself, my wife and the egg timer thank you.
Posted by: MidnightVoice on Dec. 22 2006,10:31
It really has been a delight this couple of days.
Thankee muchly.
Posted by: Dr.GH on Dec. 27 2006,00:43
Howdy Wes,
How goes the TO battle? I wonder when the feedback might come back online? I should enjoy the respite, but I pathologically miss it.
Gary
Posted by: Richard Simons on Jan. 01 2007,20:43
I added this at the end of a post on Afdave's thread before I realized I should have come here.
I've been having problems logging in. When I come to the main page, it frequently says I'm logged in, but when I go to, say, ATBC it tells me I am not logged in and I am not allowed to make replies. I've tried logging in, it goes through the procedure and welcomes me, showing my name amongst the list of people logged in, but apparently logs me out when I try to do anything. The problem happens with Netscape and Firefox and I've tried various things like rebooting the computer with no effect. Any suggestions for what is going wrong?
Posted by: Richardthughes on Jan. 11 2007,13:42
Post batching?
I see threads have new posts from teh contoll screens but when I click on the posts they're not yet there.
Posted by: Richardthughes on Jan. 15 2007,11:22
It's still happening.. I know there's new stuff, I just can't see it.
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 15 2007,13:51
Tell me which thread(s), and I will see if I can fix it.
Posted by: Richardthughes on Jan. 15 2007,13:59
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 15 2007,13:51) | Tell me which thread(s), and I will see if I can fix it. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
So far only on the 'uncommonly desnse' thread. It seems to occur when a new pages starts.. I get the old page (as the last page) whilst new posts go on the new page.
Posted by: Henry J on Jan. 15 2007,14:30
Yeah, reeeeeally long threads seem to do that. That's the reason the earlier afdave thread got closed and a new one started.
Henry
Posted by: argystokes on Jan. 17 2007,19:44
Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 15 2007,11:59) | Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 15 2007,13:51) | Tell me which thread(s), and I will see if I can fix it. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
So far only on the 'uncommonly desnse' thread. It seems to occur when a new pages starts.. I get the old page (as the last page) whilst new posts go on the new page. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Interesting. I've had the opposite problem of late. When the 30th comment appears on a page, by clicking the last page, I get a page with nothing on it, and need to go back a page to see the comment.
Posted by: Henry J on Jan. 18 2007,13:30
Re "I've had the opposite problem of late. When the 30th comment appears on a page, by clicking the last page, I get a page with nothing on it, and need to go back a page to see the comment. "
I've seen that a few times, too.
Posted by: Henry J on Jan. 23 2007,11:09
What happened with the "recent comment" box on the main PT page? Did somebody get tired of it being swamped by the "nothing's word doing" spam pests?
Henry
Posted by: Henry J on Jan. 23 2007,13:52
Update: the "recent comment" box on PT is working now.
Posted by: Louis on Jan. 24 2007,03:56
Hi Wesley,
This isn't exactly board mechanics, but your ATBC message box is full (either by design or evolution ). I've been trying to PM you for a couple of days, any hope of a wee gap to slot a message into please?
Louis
Posted by: Henry J on Jan. 24 2007,11:02
Yes, but does RM + NS fully account for the complexity of, uh, on second thought, never mind.
Posted by: Louis on Jan. 24 2007,11:26
HenryJ,
Funny!
Louis
Posted by: Henry J on Jan. 25 2007,09:48
On the T.O. page "What's New", the link to " October 2006 Post of the Month: Skepticism of Piltdown Man." doesn't work.
It says "The requested URL /origins/postmonth/oct06.html was not found on this server."
(Also the link was never added to the page "Posts of the Month for 2006")
Henry
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 25 2007,11:29
I've changed the default behavior for emoticons. You can check the box if you want them, but the box is unchecked by default.
The TOA pages were restored from a mid-November backup that apparently refers to a POTM that wasn't actually in that backup. We'll be fixing that by and by.
Posted by: Henry J on Jan. 25 2007,14:48
Wonder if that Sten31846 guy and his/her/its/their relatives could be banned from PT, or do he/she/it/they change IP addresses too often to make that practical?
Posted by: Henry J on Jan. 30 2007,17:01
That Sten#### guy is at it again on several older PT threads.
Posted by: Ichthyic on Jan. 30 2007,21:36
henry-
those messages are just place markers; tests to see if the spambot can make it through ok.
sites are then marked in their database as acceptable targets for spam.
fortunately, it seems that the filtering software on PT is at least sufficient to prevent the followup spam messages from posting.
Posted by: stevestory on Feb. 01 2007,15:30
< Renewed Moderation Efforts >
Posted by: Fractatious on Feb. 02 2007,03:15
Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 01 2007,17:30) | < Renewed Moderation Efforts >
Beginning now, everyone here treats everone else here with respect or they get Bathroom Walled or just deleted. A little snark will be allowed. We're a snarky lot, so things like "check out this new blog by Casey Luskin, what a dork" will be permitted, but that's about it. If you have to be mean or rude, put it on the Bathroom Wall. The Bathroom Wall is the place to scrawl all your obscenities and dirty limericks, and it won't be moderated like the rest of the board. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Ah bu.. but ;) obscenities are allowed, right?!? ??? Oh phooey! *scampers off to the Bathroom*
Posted by: Alan Fox on Feb. 02 2007,03:58
Steve
Have you checked your inbox, lately?
Posted by: GCT on Feb. 24 2007,16:18
Has anyone else had trouble with the "http://" button when posting messages? When I click on it, I get the following error:
---------------------QUOTE------------------- Error! You must enter a URL You must enter a title ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Anyone else getting this? Anyone have any ideas what to do to fix it? Thanks all.
Posted by: Ichthyic on Feb. 24 2007,18:23
look to see if you get a little yellow bar towards the top of the page (in your browser) when you click on the link or image button.
In mine it says:
---------------------QUOTE------------------- This website is using a scripted window to ask you for information... ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
click on that bar, and then the option to allow scripted windows.
You can also change the default setting in your browser; instructions vary on the type of browser, of course, though I would recommend just leaving it where it is and utilizing the "allow temporary scripted windows" bar.
Posted by: GCT on Feb. 24 2007,18:30
Yeah, that did the trick.
That's weird. I had no problem with it until just recently. I'll have to figure out what changed on my browser. Anyway, thanks fishy.
Posted by: Ichthyic on Feb. 24 2007,18:43
likely you have "automatic updates" selected, so your browser might have been updated and it changed the default behavior to a more secure one.
Posted by: GCT on Feb. 24 2007,18:45
Quote (Ichthyic @ Feb. 24 2007,19:43) | likely you have "automatic updates" selected, so your browser might have been updated and it changed the default behavior to a more secure one. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Hmmm, I'll bet that's it.
Darn you to heck Microsoft!!!!!1111!!!!111234!!!!!
Posted by: Ichthyic on Feb. 24 2007,18:58
well, if you're using IE, you should be able to change the default behavior to allow scripted windows without the "nag bar".
let's see....
you will have to change the scripted window settings under
tools(on main menu bar)->interenet options(bottom of list that pops up)->security(second tab from left on top)->custom level (in the box that says: security level for this zone)
set the following to "enabled":
Allow websites to prompt for information using scripted windows
(it's towards the bottom of the list; scroll down all the way and then back up a few lines)
done.
Posted by: GCT on Feb. 24 2007,19:07
Quote (Ichthyic @ Feb. 24 2007,19:58) | well, if you're using IE, you should be able to change the default behavior to allow scripted windows without the "nag bar".
let's see....
you will have to change the scripted window settings under
tools->interenet options->security->custom level
set the following to "enabled":
Allow websites to prompt for information using scripted windows
done. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Done.
Thank you once again.
Posted by: Ichthyic on Feb. 24 2007,19:09
np.
be careful if you frequently browse new sites, though, as you could get a scripted window running in the background without your knowledge.
If you trust the site, it's not an issue.
Posted by: Freelurker on Mar. 05 2007,20:24
Whenever the word "new" appears in a comment it has the color red. Started happening a day or so ago.
Test: new (without quotes)
EDIT: Well, I guess it's not every time ... I'll try to pin down the circumstances.
EDIT2: Among other places it happens here: Antievolution.org Discussion Board > All About Antievolution > Intelligent Design > Scientific Status of Intelligent Design
Posted by: Alan Fox on Mar. 11 2007,09:47
Is there a reason why PT arguments (http://antievolution.org/features/mtexp.php?form_author={author name}) links no longer connect with the actual comment, but just take you to the current PT homepage?
Posted by: Henry J on April 29 2007,18:14
Glad the server is back up today!
Henry
Posted by: stevestory on May 01 2007,19:32
A few people this year have complained about my terrible moderation, either in threads or in PMs. While nothing bores me more than discussion of how oppressive and demented my decisions are, I heard a great line on Colbert that, if you have to criticise me, at least use humorous lines like this one Colbert made about Brian Williams:
"I wouldn't let him moderate a hobo fight."
Posted by: "Rev Dr" Lenny Flank on May 01 2007,19:40
Quote (stevestory @ May 01 2007,19:32) | A few people this year have complained about my terrible moderation ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Not me.
I simply ignore you. -F- authority.
(big fat evil grin)
Posted by: stevestory on May 01 2007,19:47
That's alright. I pity you. I had the good sense to get the #### out of Florida.
:p
Posted by: Alan Fox on May 02 2007,05:26
Quote (stevestory @ May 01 2007,14:32) | A few people this year have complained about my terrible moderation, either in threads or in PMs. While nothing bores me more than discussion of how oppressive and demented my decisions are, I heard a great line on Colbert that, if you have to criticise me, at least use humorous lines like this one Colbert made about Brian Williams:
"I wouldn't let him moderate a hobo fight." ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
I think you do a thankless job well.
I just wonder if it might be fairer to have some lesser sanction than a lifetime ban for errant posters, such as suspension for a period. Maybe even banned posters could be reinstated on appeal with an undertaking as to future behaviour.
I appreciate the number of bans here is minuscule, but it does allow offenders to play the martyr. One reason for raising this is I have been having a chat with Larry Fafarman < here. >
*dons helmet, ducks under parapet*
Posted by: argystokes on May 03 2007,16:51
I am unable to make any links or post pictures because h t t p (no spaces, of course), gets changed to 'e' whenever I hit post (or preview).
For example, I am right now typing the address for Panda's Thumb:
<a href="e://www.pandasthumb.org" target="_blank">e://www.pandasthumb.org</a>
Posted by: Arden Chatfield on May 03 2007,18:41
Quote (Alan Fox @ May 02 2007,05:26) | Quote (stevestory @ May 01 2007,14:32) | A few people this year have complained about my terrible moderation, either in threads or in PMs. While nothing bores me more than discussion of how oppressive and demented my decisions are, I heard a great line on Colbert that, if you have to criticise me, at least use humorous lines like this one Colbert made about Brian Williams:
"I wouldn't let him moderate a hobo fight." ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
I think you do a thankless job well.
I just wonder if it might be fairer to have some lesser sanction than a lifetime ban for errant posters, such as suspension for a period. Maybe even banned posters could be reinstated on appeal with an undertaking as to future behaviour.
I appreciate the number of bans here is minuscule, but it does allow offenders to play the martyr. One reason for raising this is I have been having a chat with Larry Fafarman <a href="http://alanfox.blogspot.com/2007/03/for-david-springer-to-get-down-in-mud.html" target="_blank">here.</a>
*dons helmet, ducks under parapet* ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Larry is not being honest with you about how he got banned from Brayton's blog. See < here > and < here >.
Larry is about two steps away from being one of those people who stands on traffic islands yelling about the mind-control device the CIA planted in his brain. That's why he's banned everywhere.
Posted by: Steviepinhead on May 03 2007,19:08
I wouldn't have a big problem with allowing Larry F a single "ghetto" thread here like GoP and zeroheroisreal (or whatever his number is) have.
People could then choose to interact with him or not.
Allowing LF back at PT would be pointless. (Indeed, I'm surprised that "realpc" has been tolerated this long. It's probably just the dearth of any other amusingly knuckleheaded crea-YEC-IDiots...)
Not that my opinion's likely to count for much one way or t'other.
Posted by: GCT on May 03 2007,19:45
Hey Louis, clean out your inbox so I can PM you.
Posted by: Louis on May 03 2007,19:51
GCT,
Done
Louis
Posted by: GCT on May 03 2007,19:52
Quote (Louis @ May 03 2007,20:51) | GCT,
Done
Louis ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Thanks, and sent.
Posted by: stevestory on May 03 2007,20:51
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 03 2007,19:41) | Quote (Alan Fox @ May 02 2007,05:26) | Quote (stevestory @ May 01 2007,14:32) | A few people this year have complained about my terrible moderation, either in threads or in PMs. While nothing bores me more than discussion of how oppressive and demented my decisions are, I heard a great line on Colbert that, if you have to criticise me, at least use humorous lines like this one Colbert made about Brian Williams:
"I wouldn't let him moderate a hobo fight." ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
I think you do a thankless job well.
I just wonder if it might be fairer to have some lesser sanction than a lifetime ban for errant posters, such as suspension for a period. Maybe even banned posters could be reinstated on appeal with an undertaking as to future behaviour.
I appreciate the number of bans here is minuscule, but it does allow offenders to play the martyr. One reason for raising this is I have been having a chat with Larry Fafarman <a href="e://alanfox.blogspot.com/2007/03/for-david-springer-to-get-down-in-mud.html" target="_blank">here.</a>
*dons helmet, ducks under parapet* ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Larry is not being honest with you about how he got banned from Brayton's blog. See <a href="e://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2006/05/wont_the_real_dave_fafarman_pl.php#more" target="_blank">here</a> and <a href="e://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2006/05/the_real_dave_fafarman_reveale.php" target="_blank">here.</a>
Larry is about two steps away from being one of those people who stands on traffic islands yelling about the mind-control device the CIA planted in his brain. That's why he's banned everywhere. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
There were several street preachers when I was at NCSU. Now that I'm around UNC, there are also street preachers. Some the same (Gary, who's kind of famous), and some are different. But the nuttiest guy I saw, was preaching to a Jeep. A parked Jeep. No people in it. A Jeep, parked on the side of the road. The guy was preaching to it. Aggressively.
Posted by: Henry J on May 04 2007,16:07
Maybe it was in a no parking zone?
Posted by: stevestory on May 10 2007,14:38
As a result of the way things evolved over the past year and half or so, it is no longer possible for The Ghost of Paley to have productive discussions here, and he's moving on to other fora.
Posted by: "Rev Dr" Lenny Flank on May 10 2007,17:41
I'm quite sure I speak for everyone here when I say:
Good riddance.
Posted by: Ichthyic on May 10 2007,18:57
---------------------QUOTE------------------- As a result of the way things evolved over the past year and half or so, it is no longer possible for The Ghost of Paley to have productive discussions here, and he's moving on to other fora. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
woo hoo!
I'd like to thank all those that put relentless pressure on the idiot after he "revealed" his loki trolldom.
Louis, this means you, especially.
virtual beers all around!
Posted by: Louis on May 11 2007,02:40
---------------------QUOTE------------------- As a result of the way things evolved over the past year and half or so, it is no longer possible for The Ghost of Paley to have productive discussions here, and he's moving on to other fora. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Steve,
Well I'm not going to lie and say I am unhappy about this, but I AM disappointed (see previous comments on my optimism). I'm always disappointed when an unreconstructed, unrepentant troll is not converted to useful participation. However, that said since GoP was clearly and self admittedly ONLY here to troll and annoy, his removal is a good thing I support wholeheartedly....perhaps that's an understatement.
I would question two things and make one suggestion:
1) Given his proclivities was it ever possible for him to have any form of productive discussion here? I would strongly argue (with plenty of evidence) that it wasn't and has been obviously the case for many many months.
2) He's moving on to other fora? The mind reels, these future fora have my sympathy. I wonder if he will be a productive contributor there, he wasn't here and given the evidence I doubt he can be.
3) The Shadow of Paley account is also part of the supposed two person trolling regime, it should also go.
Louis
Posted by: skeptic on May 11 2007,18:11
hmm, I wonder if the bull's eye has moved...lol.
Posted by: Louis on May 11 2007,18:49
There is no bullseye. There's a dislike of bullshit, this is true, but no bullseye.
Louis
Posted by: Ichthyic on May 12 2007,12:12
Quote (skeptic @ May 11 2007,18:11) | hmm, I wonder if the bull's eye has moved...lol. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
no need for a bullseye with broad spectrum BS detectors.
strange you should find it amusing, though...
Posted by: Reciprocating Bill on May 12 2007,18:51
The page turnover bug appears to be worsening at Official Uncommonly Dense - most recently, two posts were made that should have forced a rollover from one page to the next that didn't happen for something like an hour. I made a third to force the issue (which worked).
Posted by: Henry J on May 14 2007,15:28
The solution to that would seem to be start a new thread and lock the old one (after making sure that all replies already posted on the old one have actually shown up).
Henry
Posted by: Jim_Wynne on May 16 2007,14:06
I'VE RED ALL THRU THIS THREAD (UNLESS YOUR AS SMART AS ME YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW FAST I READ THINGS) AND HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING ABOUT A BORED MECHANIC. GET ON TOPIC OR HIT THE RODE. -DT
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 16 2007,19:00
Sorry bout that if you tried to post in the last fifteen minutes. Making some tweaks to the code.
Posted by: Henry J on May 16 2007,21:35
Re "AND HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING ABOUT A BORED MECHANIC."
What, you missed the conversation about the Maytag repairman?
Henry
Posted by: stevestory on May 23 2007,20:13
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 16 2007,20:00) | Sorry bout that if you tried to post in the last fifteen minutes. Making some tweaks to the code. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Could you make some tweaks to your mail folders? Like, empty them?
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 25 2007,14:15
They'll just fill up again.
Posted by: stevestory on May 25 2007,16:10
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 25 2007,16:44
Now, Steve, that's hardly fair... where can I get a picture of you?
Posted by: Lou FCD on May 25 2007,17:00
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 25 2007,16:44) | Now, Steve, that's hardly fair... where can I get a picture of you? ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
The bar?
Posted by: Paul Flocken on May 25 2007,21:00
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 25 2007,16:44) | Now, Steve, that's hardly fair... where can I get a picture of you? ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
That's easy Wesley.
Posted by: Paul Flocken on May 25 2007,21:02
And while I was looking about for that pic of Steve I came across a fantastic set of solar images. < http://www.star.uclan.ac.uk/~sac/ >
Paul
edit:Unfortunately I can only figure out how to get one image to come up. < Sun Pic >
second edit:Ah, my own tardness comes to the fore. The images are < here. >
Posted by: Henry J on May 30 2007,21:56
I just thought of something that might save a bit of bandwidth around here - maybe the "reply with quote" option could automatically omit images (especially large ones, if it could tell that) from the post being quotes, perhaps replacing with some text that says the image was omitted.
Henry
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on May 31 2007,12:47
Since the images are hosted on other servers, the only bandwidth that will save is each user's.
Posted by: Henry J on May 31 2007,15:12
Re "the only bandwidth that will save is each user's."
Exactly! Some of those image-heavy threads can take a long time to load, and when they have several copies of each image, it takes that much longer.
Henry
Posted by: steve_h on May 31 2007,17:18
board v. slow. Why board slow?
Posted by: Ichthyic on May 31 2007,20:36
Denial Of Service attack.
Reed has whacked a few IP's to fix it, but it appears the collateral damage is indeed extensive.
Posted by: "Rev Dr" Lenny Flank on May 31 2007,22:50
Quote (Ichthyic @ May 31 2007,20:36) | Denial Of Service attack. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Wow, maybe DaveTard is NOT really as stupid as he looks . . . .!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Ichthyic on May 31 2007,23:07
I rather think the "goldstein" clan is behind it, myself.
Posted by: Richardthughes on May 31 2007,23:19
TODAY WAS RUBBISH. ME AND FTK WERE GOING TO HAVE TEH SEXI_HAWT_CHAT BUT IT WAS RUINED BY SERVER GLITCHES. WHAT IS THIS, UD? I EVEN PUT SOME MONIES IN TEH PAYPALS AND OBVIOUSLY WESLEY JUST USED IT FOR HIS EVERQUEST SUBSCRIPTION.
GRRRrrrrrrr.
Posted by: Ichthyic on June 02 2007,15:57
for those that use it, there is a new version of firefox out.
includes a very nice automatic spell checker which you don't even need to configure.
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on June 02 2007,23:47
Everclear? Rest assured I buy better stuff than that.
Reed is working on configuring the new server this weekend. Things are progressing. The new server is a dual Zeon 2.8GHz box with 4GB of RAM and two 250GB hard disks.
Posted by: Ichthyic on June 03 2007,01:17
what database is he using for the backend?
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on June 03 2007,01:48
MySQL for AE, Austringer, Baywing, and PostgresSQL for PT.
Posted by: Ichthyic on June 03 2007,06:22
sounds fine and dandy.
postgres would have been exactly what I would have suggested if going open source. MYSQL was always a bit clunky for large jobs i tried it on; at least a few years back, anyway.
Postgres shouldn't have any problems at all with either request type or load from something like PT.
should be positively zippy when he's done.
I bet he's looking forward to it!
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on June 07 2007,12:27
On June 6th, the server for PT, AE, and a slew of other domains developed some hardware issues.
We have managed to get the data transferred to the development server, which has been pressed into service a bit before we expected to do so. Let me know if you find problems: the software setup has changed a bit, so things are not exactly the same as before.
Kudos to Reed Cartwright, who did the transfers and setup on the new server, and Marc and Zach Nowell, who did the hands-on work with reconfiguring the old server so that we could get to the data.
Posted by: Ichthyic on June 07 2007,12:45
major speed increase in display!
getting 404 errors trying to post to threads on PT.
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on June 07 2007,15:19
The PT backend is not yet set up, so no new post, comments, trackbacks, etc. There is a hand-edited note at the top of the PT home page explaining that. Hopefully, Reed will get that sorted this evening. He's got to juggle having both the legacy PT system and the new PT system on the same box now.
Posted by: Ichthyic on June 07 2007,15:23
fun fun fun!
no worries from my end; the speed increase is already obvious, even unfinished.
Posted by: Henry J on June 07 2007,19:01
Re "configuring the new server"
But it's still a server! It hasn't evolved into a new species!!!!!!!
Henry
Posted by: J-Dog on June 08 2007,10:46
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 07 2007,12:27) | On June 6th, the server for PT, AE, and a slew of other domains developed some hardware issues.
We have managed to get the data transferred to the development server, which has been pressed into service a bit before we expected to do so. Let me know if you find problems: the software setup has changed a bit, so things are not exactly the same as before.
Kudos to Reed Cartwright, who did the transfers and setup on the new server, and Marc and Zach Nowell, who did the hands-on work with reconfiguring the old server so that we could get to the data. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Thanks - A New Server for My Birthday! Just what I wanted!
Posted by: Dr.GH on June 10 2007,11:48
Absolutly, congratulations.
Posted by: stevestory on June 11 2007,09:15
Lenny is taking a week off to spend time with his family. He will be back on the 18th.
Posted by: Ichthyic on June 11 2007,13:51
*whew* I was afraid FTK scared him away.
:p
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on June 12 2007,07:38
I want to thank everyone who contributed to help us get our hardware upgraded. It took a while, starting with the quick fix of adding more memory to the old server, and most recently culminating in the installation of our new server. The performance on the new server is looking good so far.
Posted by: Henry J on June 12 2007,10:22
Keeping our evolved fins crossed!
Posted by: stevestory on June 12 2007,20:59
A clarification about the JAD stuff. The ban on Davison just means that we don't allow him to post or anyone else to act as a proxy for him. You can discuss his hypotheses, though. So "Professor Davison's theory says that..." is fine, but "Professor Davison said to tell you..." is not.
Posted by: Ichthyic on June 12 2007,21:21
Professor (ex) Davison said to tell you you're absolutely right, steve.
*evilgrin*
Posted by: Lou FCD on June 13 2007,18:27
Funny. He told me that there used to be a Steve, but now he's dead and moderation has stopped.
Posted by: stevestory on June 13 2007,18:43
True. All this information coming from me was actually programmed in long ago, before I expired. That makes so much sense.
Posted by: Richardthughes on June 20 2007,13:37
Bored Mechanics:
Posted by: Ichthyic on June 20 2007,15:59
board mechanic:
Posted by: Reciprocating Bill on June 21 2007,10:57
test post - upon attempting to edit a post I am getting a message stating I am not permitted to post on this board, although logged in as Reciprocating Bill.
Posted by: "Rev Dr" Lenny Flank on June 21 2007,17:48
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ June 21 2007,10:57) | I am not permitted to post on this board ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Alright, what'dya do THIS time . . . ?
Posted by: Steviepinhead on June 22 2007,14:23
Oops! Sorry, sorry.
I thought the topic said "broad" mechanics and my gf has been saying I could use some eddication in that area.
Guess the visual hallucination is just more evidence of my desperation.
Posted by: Reciprocating Bill on June 22 2007,18:16
Quote (Steviepinhead @ June 22 2007,14:23) | Oops! Sorry, sorry.
I thought the topic said "broad" mechanics and my gf has been saying I could use some eddication in that area.
Guess the visual hallucination is just more evidence of my desperation. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
With that occipital cortex you've GOT to have a lot going on that way.
Posted by: stevestory on June 23 2007,23:30
Where's K.E. been lately? I miss him.
Posted by: Ichthyic on June 23 2007,23:35
he's blazing trails in New Guinea, IIRC.
Posted by: Reciprocating Bill on June 24 2007,16:47
k.e blew through < here > back on May 31.
Posted by: Arden Chatfield on June 25 2007,10:38
Quote (Ichthyic @ June 23 2007,23:35) | he's blazing trails in New Guinea, IIRC. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
< Shopping for these, > I assume. To frighten FTK when he gets back, probably.
Posted by: Ichthyic on June 25 2007,16:54
---------------------QUOTE------------------- Contrary to popular belief, there is little correlation between the size or length of the koteka and the social status of the wearer. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
funny, but social status wouldn't have been my first guess at a size correlation.
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on June 30 2007,08:34
At long last, I've programmed a button for moderators here to bounce comments to the Bathroom Wall without fuss. One small step for ikonBoard, one giant leap for topicality.
Posted by: "Rev Dr" Lenny Flank on June 30 2007,10:30
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 30 2007,08:34) | At long last, I've programmed a button for moderators here to bounce comments to the Bathroom Wall without fuss. One small step for ikonBoard, one giant leap for topicality. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Oooh, oooh, let me be your first:
Bah, topicality is over-rated anyway.
Posted by: "Rev Dr" Lenny Flank on June 30 2007,10:32
(Looks at Bathroom Wall)
Holy cow, I think I already WAS your first !!!!!!!
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on June 30 2007,11:42
The flesh may well be weak, but I can help with that now.
Posted by: "Rev Dr" Lenny Flank on June 30 2007,12:40
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 30 2007,11:42) | The flesh may well be weak, but I can help with that now. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
I remain your loyal minion.
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 01 2007,14:28
---------------------QUOTE-------------------
I remain your loyal minion.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Hmm. I moved some of my own posts to the BW at the same time, and I think I'm loyal... is there such a thing as self-referential minioncy?
Posted by: Lou FCD on July 01 2007,14:40
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 01 2007,14:28) | Hmm. I moved some of my own posts to the BW at the same time, and I think I'm loyal... is there such a thing as self-referential minioncy? ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Further, what happens when you decide to mutiny against yourself?
Can you ban yourself? Would you install a big red button on your control panel that says "Do Not Push" and then push it?
Would AtBC implode?
There's probably a grant proposal in there for some young psychology student. Or an IT student, I'm not sure...
Posted by: Reciprocating Bill on July 01 2007,16:09
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 01 2007,14:28) |
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I remain your loyal minion.
---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Hmm. I moved some of my own posts to the BW at the same time, and I think I'm loyal... is there such a thing as self-referential minioncy? ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Given that child is father to the man, why not?
(So said Erik Erikson...)
Posted by: Arden Chatfield on July 02 2007,19:35
Hey Steve, your bouncing all those messages to the Bathroom wall screwed up the ability of that thread to click over to the next page. It's stuck on page 85, even tho there are several posts after that.
Posted by: stevestory on July 02 2007,20:00
I know. It's a bug that will be fixed eventually. In the meantime, go up to the address bar and manually increase the last number to advance the page.
Posted by: Richardthughes on July 03 2007,12:57
Steve, your mailbox is full.
Posted by: stevestory on July 03 2007,13:08
Dammit. It feels like I just deleted all that stuff. Sorry about that. Try in 2 mins
Posted by: stevestory on July 03 2007,13:10
okay
---------------------QUOTE------------------- stevestory this is where all your messages are stored. You can read, delete, reply and save messages here. You have 0 total messages in all your folders. You can receive and store another 80 messages until your folders are full. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
So that should last at least a week.
Posted by: Louis on July 03 2007,13:11
Quote (stevestory @ July 03 2007,19:10) | okay
---------------------QUOTE------------------- stevestory this is where all your messages are stored. You can read, delete, reply and save messages here. You have 0 total messages in all your folders. You can receive and store another 80 messages until your folders are full. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
So that should last at least a week. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
DO you really get that much PM mail? Wow. Maybe it was your opening of application for moderator that did it!
;-)
Louis
Posted by: stevestory on July 03 2007,13:17
The mailbox fills up usually every week or two. People generally do a good job working out problems discreetly, before they become bigger problems.
Actually, nobody has applied to be moderator. If anyone wants to make the case they'd be a good moderator, please send me a message explaining why, and we will consider it.
Posted by: Richardthughes on July 03 2007,13:25
Quote (stevestory @ July 03 2007,13:17) | The mailbox fills up usually every week or two. People generally do a good job working out problems discreetly, before they become bigger problems.
Actually, nobody has applied to be moderator. If anyone wants to make the case they'd be a good moderator, please send me a message explaining why, and we will consider it. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Steve and I will be dueling with pistols at dawn.*
*We hope to prevail over the pistols.
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 03 2007,14:20
"I'm with the BANNED" graphics...
Since many regular commenters here have tried to post comments on IDC-advocate forums and have ended up being banned from those places, the graphic plays off the ability for IDC skeptics to gather here and discuss it fully.
[Who first suggested this bit of wordplay? They should get a mention here.]
I've put one of these to use on the right-hand side of the Antievolution.org main page.
Posted by: Richardthughes on July 03 2007,14:21
Nice - perhaps you might want some text to explain the significance to new folks?
Posted by: Arden Chatfield on July 03 2007,14:23
Quote (Louis @ July 03 2007,13:11) | Quote (stevestory @ July 03 2007,19:10) | okay
---------------------QUOTE------------------- stevestory this is where all your messages are stored. You can read, delete, reply and save messages here. You have 0 total messages in all your folders. You can receive and store another 80 messages until your folders are full. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
So that should last at least a week. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
DO you really get that much PM mail? Wow. Maybe it was your opening of application for moderator that did it! ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Nah, it was when he announced THIS:
---------------------QUOTE------------------- I've had relationships with a wide array of women. Rich, poor, smart, dumb, beautiful, ugly.* The only deal breaker is, No Fundies.
(friend of mine used to say, "big, small, short or tall, I Love Em All) ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Now the chicks are all over him like white on rice.
Posted by: Richardthughes on July 06 2007,18:39
The hyperlink button does not appear to work with Vista.
Posted by: Lou FCD on July 09 2007,06:36
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 03 2007,14:20) | "I'm with the BANNED" graphics...
Since many regular commenters here have tried to post comments on IDC-advocate forums and have ended up being banned from those places, the graphic plays off the ability for IDC skeptics to gather here and discuss it fully.
[Who first suggested this bit of wordplay? They should get a mention here.]
(images snipped)
I've put one of these to use on the right-hand side of the Antievolution.org main page. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
I believe that was Kristine, but I don't have a link handy.
Posted by: Zachriel on July 25 2007,08:30
I've noticed that the AtBC forums don't Google. For example, if I search for < Zachriel, "paternal family tree" > it comes back empty—even though it is a term I have used repeatedly on this forum. The reason for this is to check if I have previously posted on an issue, and if so, to provide a link rather than a verbatim rehash.
I understand this is a rather informal venue, but I do try to avoid boring repetition (though I suppose some is inevitable due to the nature of the discussion).
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 25 2007,09:06
Unfortunately, many if not most bulletin board software packages use URLs full of various parameters, and Google doesn't seem to like handling that sort of thing.
Added: I did find a < thread > about hacking ikonBoard to be search-engine friendly. When I get some spare time, I'll look into that.
Posted by: Zachriel on July 25 2007,09:55
No problem. I was just curious. I would find it to be a significant enhancement, though.
Posted by: Louis on July 25 2007,10:27
Quote (Zachriel @ July 25 2007,15:55) | No problem. I was just curious. I would find it to be a significant enhancement, though. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Ditto Zachriel, on all counts.
Oh and Wes, thanks for the brief background as to why it doesn't work. As the world's most computer illiterate scientist I just blamed it on gremlins.
;-)
Louis
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 25 2007,11:25
I'm not sure that I understand it all, but basic redirection < appears to be working >. I've listed that link on the main AE page, so search engine bots should run across it sometime. Apparently, the search engine bots don't have Javascript capabilities, and see plain text, while your browser does, and will be redirected to the usual view.
Added: Just tried it with Lynx, and I'm not seeing anything to index in the view that comes up. Apparently I need to do a bit more hacking before this is ready to play.
Added: I think I have it working now. At least Lynx can browse the pages via the "index" representation.
Added: The logs show that Yahoo and Google bots are beginning to spider the site.
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 25 2007,21:07
I've figured out how to make a sidebar for the board. What sort of things could populate a sidebar here that people would find useful to have handy, and what other things might just be considered annoying?
Posted by: Lou FCD on July 25 2007,23:19
A link bar would be nice. Links say to PT, talkorigins, various sciencebloggers, Science, Nature, UDoJ, Tangled Bank, NCSE, NASA, New Scientist, y'know, all the good stuff that would be nice to have handy.
...
what?
Posted by: Darth Robo on July 27 2007,12:08
But now it's all thinner!
Everywhere is changing their layouts! I swear, it's like going to your local shop only to see them change everything 'round every coupla weeks!
Posted by: JohnW on July 27 2007,12:16
Quote (Lou FCD @ July 25 2007,23:19) | A link bar would be nice. Links say to PT, talkorigins, various sciencebloggers, Science, Nature, UDoJ, Tangled Bank, NCSE, NASA, New Scientist, y'know, all the good stuff that would be nice to have handy.
...
what?
:D ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Links to the usual antiscience suspects (UD, OE, FTK, Telic Thoughts, etc.), while not necessarily "nice", would be useful.
Why not link to ISCID also, so we can keep up to date with all their publications.
Posted by: Zachriel on July 27 2007,12:42
Quote (JohnW @ July 27 2007,12:16) | Quote (Lou FCD @ July 25 2007,23:19) | A link bar would be nice. Links say to PT, talkorigins, various sciencebloggers, Science, Nature, UDoJ, Tangled Bank, NCSE, NASA, New Scientist, y'know, all the good stuff that would be nice to have handy.
...
what?
:D ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
Links to the usual antiscience suspects (UD, OE, FTK, Telic Thoughts, etc.), while not necessarily "nice", would be useful.
Why not link to ISCID also, so we can keep up to date with all their publications. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
That would be a Tardroll
... or Tardbar.
Posted by: stevestory on July 27 2007,13:48
I hereby cast a vote against the sidebar.
Posted by: Henry J on July 27 2007,13:54
Re "I hereby cast a vote against the sidebar."
Me too. It scrunches up the display of the BB contents.
Henry
Posted by: Reciprocating Bill on July 28 2007,00:05
Having the links and books at the bottom of the page complicates navigating there - instead of just hitting the END key to scroll down for newest posts, now I've got to scroll.
Suggestion:
Have these links and books appear on index pages only.
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on July 28 2007,05:35
The point was to have links available for quick reference and copying into comments, which means that appearance only on index pages would make it precisely backwards from the intent.
What I've done is added a link at the bottom for opening a page of "Useful Links". You can right-click in your browser to have that open in a new window, and then be able to flip between the "Add Reply" form and the links page.
Of course, I'll need to add a bunch more links for this to be as useful as possible. Please drop links into this thread as suggestions.
Posted by: Louis on Aug. 13 2007,05:01
I'm sure we've all noticed the recent upsurge in threads about products to make willies work better. Out of curiosity, are they all coming from similar accounts/IPs?
Seems interesting that we should merit such attention so suddenly.
Louis
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Aug. 14 2007,22:12
< CafePress shop section for "After the Bar Closes" >
Posted by: argystokes on Aug. 16 2007,15:48
Any particular reason for the influx of spammers on this site?
Posted by: Henry J on Aug. 16 2007,16:31
Probably, but the hard part is getting hold of him/them to ask what it is.
Posted by: Wesley R. Elsberry on Aug. 16 2007,16:43
They've just shifted from other sections of the board to this one. They've been posting junk for a long time.
Posted by: carlsonjok on Aug. 18 2007,13:33
Not sure if it means anything, but it looks to me like the extraneous question marks pop up when the text has two or more spaces in a row.
If nothing else, it would tell you who learned to type on an honest-to-goodness typewriter.
Posted by: Lou FCD on Aug. 18 2007,14:41
Quote (carlsonjok @ Aug. 18 2007,13:33) | Not sure if it means anything, but it looks to me like the extraneous question marks pop up when the text has two or more spaces in a row.
If nothing else, it would tell you who learned to type on an honest-to-goodness typewriter. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
**raises hand**
It wasn't even an electric typewriter.
Posted by: Arden Chatfield on Aug. 18 2007,14:53
Quote (Lou FCD @ Aug. 18 2007,14:41) | Quote (carlsonjok @ Aug. 18 2007,13:33) | Not sure if it means anything, but it looks to me like the extraneous question marks pop up when the text has two or more spaces in a row.
If nothing else, it would tell you who learned to type on an honest-to-goodness typewriter. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
**raises hand**
It wasn't even an electric typewriter. ---------------------QUOTE-------------------
That's nothing! I had to write my class reports with a chisel on a big stone slab!
Goddamn kids these days...
Posted by: Henry J on Aug. 18 2007,17:33
It's not the typing that's at issue, since those question marks are showing up in posts that displayed without them before.
Henry
Posted by: steve_h on Aug. 19 2007,15:01
There seem to be question marks where UD has changed normal quotation marks to special left and right curly quotation marks (66 and 99) which have codes higher than 127.
On page one of this thread, multiple spaces (in a code block) in my comments, have been replaced by a character which looks like an A with a caret (^) symbol over it. ?
Testing some german chars: ??????
Those should have been aou and AOU with umlauts. So I guess anything outside of 0x01-0x7F is potentially a problem.
Posted by: Arden Chatfield on Aug. 19 2007,16:31
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