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Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: May 17 2018,08:44    Quote (k.e.. @ May 17 2018,07:52) Quote (fnxtr @ May 17 2018,07:44) Charles McVety... deep sock? Or completely off the rails? Stay tuned! (pssst, Chuck: Ix-nay on the Od-gay!) Sorry but deeply off the rails. ID is proof that Poe's law is a fact  never mind evolution. If it's this guy, deeply off the rails is too generous. Charles McVety

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 17 2018,08:56    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ May 17 2018,06:44) Quote (k.e.. @ May 17 2018,07:52) Quote (fnxtr @ May 17 2018,07:44) Charles McVety... deep sock? Or completely off the rails? Stay tuned! (pssst, Chuck: Ix-nay on the Od-gay!) Sorry but deeply off the rails. ID is proof that Poe's law is a fact  never mind evolution. If it's this guy, deeply off the rails is too generous. Charles McVety Supports Doug Ford. Figures. (Brother of the late Rob Ford, Toronto's "Chris Farley Tribute Mayor" [Colbert]) -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 17 2018,16:33    Quote Charles H. McVety is a Canadian evangelical Christian leader and conservative political activist. He has been the president of Canada Christian College in Toronto since 1993, taking over for his father, and was president of Canada Family Action until 2008. When you see the word Family in a group's name, you know what's coming next, dontcha. Quote He is perhaps best known for campaigning to repeal the law legalizing same-sex marriage in Canada.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: May 17 2018,17:00    Quote (stevestory @ May 17 2018,16:33) Quote Charles H. McVety is a Canadian evangelical Christian leader and conservative political activist. He has been the president of Canada Christian College in Toronto since 1993, taking over for his father, and was president of Canada Family Action until 2008. When you see the word Family in a group's name, you know what's coming next, dontcha.   Quote He is perhaps best known for campaigning to repeal the law legalizing same-sex marriage in Canada. It gets better. Quote Charles McVety studied at the University of Toronto but left after less than a year. He earned a B.A. and M.A. from Canada Christian College, which at the time was an unaccredited institution. And owned and operated by his father. But it doesn’t end there. Quote McVety claims to have earned a Ph.D from Korea International Cultural University but the institution does not have McVety listed as a PhD candidate or graduate. He was granted an honorary Doctor degree from St. Petersburg State University, Russia. And it just continues. [quite]In the past, Mr. Vety had claimed a D.Min from California State Christian University. An American extension of Tae Han Theological Seminary and College in Seoul, South Korea, California State Christian University is affiliated with Victory Bible Colleges International. Neither body is listed in a Council for Higher Education Accreditation database of institutions recognized by U.S. accrediting agencies.[/QUOTE]

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 17 2018,17:43    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ May 17 2018,15:00)   Quote (stevestory @ May 17 2018,16:33)   Quote Charles H. McVety is a Canadian evangelical Christian leader and conservative political activist. He has been the president of Canada Christian College in Toronto since 1993, taking over for his father, and was president of Canada Family Action until 2008. When you see the word Family in a group's name, you know what's coming next, dontcha.     Quote He is perhaps best known for campaigning to repeal the law legalizing same-sex marriage in Canada. It gets better.   Quote Charles McVety studied at the University of Toronto but left after less than a year. He earned a B.A. and M.A. from Canada Christian College, which at the time was an unaccredited institution. And owned and operated by his father. But it doesn’t end there.   Quote McVety claims to have earned a Ph.D from Korea International Cultural University but the institution does not have McVety listed as a PhD candidate or graduate. He was granted an honorary Doctor degree from St. Petersburg State University, Russia. And it just continues. [quite]In the past, Mr. Vety had claimed a D.Min from California State Christian University. An American extension of Tae Han Theological Seminary and College in Seoul, South Korea, California State Christian University is affiliated with Victory Bible Colleges International. Neither body is listed in a Council for Higher Education Accreditation database of institutions recognized by U.S. accrediting agencies. A faculty position at the Joseph Gallien Shed Research Institute can't be long in coming. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 17 2018,18:41    Quote (JohnW @ May 17 2018,17:43)   Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ May 17 2018,15:00)       Quote (stevestory @ May 17 2018,16:33)       Quote Charles H. McVety is a Canadian evangelical Christian leader and conservative political activist. He has been the president of Canada Christian College in Toronto since 1993, taking over for his father, and was president of Canada Family Action until 2008. When you see the word Family in a group's name, you know what's coming next, dontcha.         Quote He is perhaps best known for campaigning to repeal the law legalizing same-sex marriage in Canada. It gets better.       Quote Charles McVety studied at the University of Toronto but left after less than a year. He earned a B.A. and M.A. from Canada Christian College, which at the time was an unaccredited institution. And owned and operated by his father. But it doesn’t end there.       Quote McVety claims to have earned a Ph.D from Korea International Cultural University but the institution does not have McVety listed as a PhD candidate or graduate. He was granted an honorary Doctor degree from St. Petersburg State University, Russia. And it just continues. [quite]In the past, Mr. Vety had claimed a D.Min from California State Christian University. An American extension of Tae Han Theological Seminary and College in Seoul, South Korea, California State Christian University is affiliated with Victory Bible Colleges International. Neither body is listed in a Council for Higher Education Accreditation database of institutions recognized by U.S. accrediting agencies. A faculty position at the Joseph Gallien Shed Research Institute can't be long in coming. Or here. Needed at Discovery Institute Seattle Offices — Versatile and Energetic Team Member Someone needed to fill the Assistant Bootlicker position for the Joseph Goebbels Chair, Department of Propaganda at the Disco 'Tute. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 17 2018,21:31    (shrug) Something new to chuckle about for a couple days, anyway. -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

clamboy Posts: 299 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 17 2018,22:13    Quote Children [in Canada] as young as eight are being taught how to have anal sex sez Mr. McVety.

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 17 2018,22:26    Quote (JohnW @ May 18 2018,01:43) Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ May 17 2018,15:00)   Quote (stevestory @ May 17 2018,16:33)     Quote Charles H. McVety is a Canadian evangelical Christian leader and conservative political activist. He has been the president of Canada Christian College in Toronto since 1993, taking over for his father, and was president of Canada Family Action until 2008. When you see the word Family in a group's name, you know what's coming next, dontcha.       Quote He is perhaps best known for campaigning to repeal the law legalizing same-sex marriage in Canada. It gets better.     Quote Charles McVety studied at the University of Toronto but left after less than a year. He earned a B.A. and M.A. from Canada Christian College, which at the time was an unaccredited institution. And owned and operated by his father. But it doesn’t end there.     Quote McVety claims to have earned a Ph.D from Korea International Cultural University but the institution does not have McVety listed as a PhD candidate or graduate. He was granted an honorary Doctor degree from St. Petersburg State University, Russia. And it just continues. [quite]In the past, Mr. Vety had claimed a D.Min from California State Christian University. An American extension of Tae Han Theological Seminary and College in Seoul, South Korea, California State Christian University is affiliated with Victory Bible Colleges International. Neither body is listed in a Council for Higher Education Accreditation database of institutions recognized by U.S. accrediting agencies. A faculty position at the Joseph Gallien Shed Research Institute can't be long in coming. In the faculty of Homophobic Ass Munching. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: May 18 2018,08:20    Quote (k.e.. @ May 17 2018,22:26) Quote (JohnW @ May 18 2018,01:43) Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ May 17 2018,15:00)     Quote (stevestory @ May 17 2018,16:33)     Quote Charles H. McVety is a Canadian evangelical Christian leader and conservative political activist. He has been the president of Canada Christian College in Toronto since 1993, taking over for his father, and was president of Canada Family Action until 2008. When you see the word Family in a group's name, you know what's coming next, dontcha.       Quote He is perhaps best known for campaigning to repeal the law legalizing same-sex marriage in Canada. It gets better.     Quote Charles McVety studied at the University of Toronto but left after less than a year. He earned a B.A. and M.A. from Canada Christian College, which at the time was an unaccredited institution. And owned and operated by his father. But it doesn’t end there.     Quote McVety claims to have earned a Ph.D from Korea International Cultural University but the institution does not have McVety listed as a PhD candidate or graduate. He was granted an honorary Doctor degree from St. Petersburg State University, Russia. And it just continues. [quite]In the past, Mr. Vety had claimed a D.Min from California State Christian University. An American extension of Tae Han Theological Seminary and College in Seoul, South Korea, California State Christian University is affiliated with Victory Bible Colleges International. Neither body is listed in a Council for Higher Education Accreditation database of institutions recognized by U.S. accrediting agencies. A faculty position at the Joseph Gallien Shed Research Institute can't be long in coming. In the faculty of Homophobic Ass Munching. You can major in that at the Canada Christian College.

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 18 2018,08:51    You need the prerequisites, though: Self-Loathing 101 and Intro to Denial. -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

Glen Davidson Posts: 1100 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 18 2018,11:56    Gpuccio sez:   Quote ID theory states that only intelligent design can generate complex functional information. Therefore, when we observe complex functional information in an obbject, then, and only then, we can safely infer design. Therefore, the procedure that infers design from complex functional information has no false positives, and many false negatives. Therefore, if we positively infer design from complex functional information we are right. This theory can be easily falsified: one single example of object exhibiting complex functional information, and whose origin from a non design system can be independently proved, will falsify it. Therefore, ID theory is absolutely falsifiable. https://tinyurl.com/yap6wyv....ap6wyvq First off, it is theoretically falsifiable, if you skip Pooch's demand for "proof" (good evidence by itself that his command of science is lacking).  And it's falsified by the slavish derivation from ancestors seen in life that hasn't been observed in design, except perhaps in rare exceptions (like religious artifacts). That said, what about design or evidence ever entailed or even suggested that "only it" can produce complex functional information?  Of course that is the money shot, because they don't really care what design does, they just want to claim that evolution doesn't account for life.  Science rarely, if ever, predicts that "only" one cause (or one type of cause) can produce something, it's a matter of what one cause entails and another does not, then looking for the entailed effects. Can ID even claim that intelligence entails the production of complex functional information?  I don't see how, even though we have plenty of evidence that it can and does produce it.  I would say that evolution doesn't actually predict it, either, even though it's reasonably easy to see how it would happen over billions of years. Why don't they just say, 'only God can make a tree,' then reveal a tree?  Obviously it's because they think that wrapping that nonsense up in a lot of pseudoscientific blather makes it sound less like a poem and more like science. Glen Davidson -------------- http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p....p Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

Patrick Posts: 666 Joined: July 2011 (Permalink) Posted: May 18 2018,12:03    Quote (Glen Davidson @ May 18 2018,12:56) Gpuccio sez: I   Quote D theory states that only intelligent design can generate complex functional information. Therefore, when we observe complex functional information in an obbject, then, and only then, we can safely infer design. Therefore, the procedure that infers design from complex functional information has no false positives, and many false negatives. Therefore, if we positively infer design from complex functional information we are right. This theory can be easily falsified: one single example of object exhibiting complex functional information, and whose origin from a non design system can be independently proved, will falsify it. Therefore, ID theory is absolutely falsifiable. https://tinyurl.com/yap6wyv....ap6wyvq First off, it is theoretically falsifiable, if you skip Pooch's demand for "proof" (good evidence by itself that his command of science is lacking).  And it's falsified by the slavish derivation from ancestors seen in life that hasn't been seen in design, except perhaps in rare exceptions (like religious artifacts). That said, what about design or evidence ever entailed or even suggested that "only it" can produce complex functional information?  Of course that is the money shot, because they don't really care what design does, they just want to claim that evolution doesn't account for life.  Science rarely, if ever, predicts that "only" one cause (or one type of cause) can produce something, it's a matter of what one cause entails and another does not, then looking for the entailed effects. Can ID even claim that intelligence entails the production of complex functional information?  I don't see how, even though we have plenty of evidence that it can and does produce it.   Why don't they just say, only God can make a tree, then reveal a tree?  Obviously it's because they think that wrapping that nonsense up in a lot of pseudoscientific blather makes it sound less like a poem and more like science. Glen Davidson To be falsifiable, they would have to include a rigorous definition of "complex functional information" that can be calculated by anyone.  I've never seen any of them provide such a thing.

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 18 2018,12:56    Quote (Patrick @ May 18 2018,10:03) Quote (Glen Davidson @ May 18 2018,12:56) Gpuccio sez: I     Quote D theory states that only intelligent design can generate complex functional information. Therefore, when we observe complex functional information in an obbject, then, and only then, we can safely infer design. Therefore, the procedure that infers design from complex functional information has no false positives, and many false negatives. Therefore, if we positively infer design from complex functional information we are right. This theory can be easily falsified: one single example of object exhibiting complex functional information, and whose origin from a non design system can be independently proved, will falsify it. Therefore, ID theory is absolutely falsifiable. https://tinyurl.com/yap6wyv....ap6wyvq First off, it is theoretically falsifiable, if you skip Pooch's demand for "proof" (good evidence by itself that his command of science is lacking).  And it's falsified by the slavish derivation from ancestors seen in life that hasn't been seen in design, except perhaps in rare exceptions (like religious artifacts). That said, what about design or evidence ever entailed or even suggested that "only it" can produce complex functional information?  Of course that is the money shot, because they don't really care what design does, they just want to claim that evolution doesn't account for life.  Science rarely, if ever, predicts that "only" one cause (or one type of cause) can produce something, it's a matter of what one cause entails and another does not, then looking for the entailed effects. Can ID even claim that intelligence entails the production of complex functional information?  I don't see how, even though we have plenty of evidence that it can and does produce it.   Why don't they just say, only God can make a tree, then reveal a tree?  Obviously it's because they think that wrapping that nonsense up in a lot of pseudoscientific blather makes it sound less like a poem and more like science. Glen Davidson To be falsifiable, they would have to include a rigorous definition of "complex functional information" that can be calculated by anyone.  I've never seen any of them provide such a thing. Sure they have.  I calculate that it looks designed to me... -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 18 2018,15:04    Quote 200 Allan KeithMay 18, 2018 at 11:26 am Mike, Quote Is it always evil to torture babies for fun? Given that there have been several cultures throughout history which participated in child sacrifice, I must conclude that it has not always been evil. If I lived in one of these cultures would I consider it “evil” (i.e. very wrong)? I would like to say that I would, but I will never know. that point is probably about a mile and a half over their heads.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 18 2018,15:06    Quote 195 Allan KeithMay 18, 2018 at 9:19 am I thought that it would be informative to summarize some of ET’s more insiteful and constructive criticisms of his opponents: Quote Allan is either deluded or a pathological liar. Your shameless and cowardly equivocation is duly noted. As is your inability to assess the evidence. Or perhaps you should stop being such a cowardly jerk. Only a desperate punk would say that in response to: ou don’t know anything about being civil or respectful. And you definitely don’t understand science Your willful ignorance is not an argument. ID is not beholden to your asinine and unscientific agenda. Allan Keith is totally clueless and bordering on being a pathological liar. Only scientifically illiterate punks on an agenda of complete nonsense would have you thinks so. It is beyond the pale and bordering on the psychotic. Your problem is your ignorance. Clearly you are lying, Bob. The problem is you and your ignorance, Bob Get an education and stop being such a little crybaby. Clearly you have reading comprehension issues. You are totally clueless, Bob. That is completely false and borders on the moronic. It definitely sounds like you cannot follow along because you are scientifically illiterate. With watertight arguments like this, it is a mystery why ID has not been accepted by the scientific community. Joe G is such a tool.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: May 18 2018,15:48    Quote (stevestory @ May 18 2018,15:06) Quote 195 Allan KeithMay 18, 2018 at 9:19 am I thought that it would be informative to summarize some of ET’s more insiteful and constructive criticisms of his opponents: Quote Allan is either deluded or a pathological liar. Your shameless and cowardly equivocation is duly noted. As is your inability to assess the evidence. Or perhaps you should stop being such a cowardly jerk. Only a desperate punk would say that in response to: ou don’t know anything about being civil or respectful. And you definitely don’t understand science Your willful ignorance is not an argument. ID is not beholden to your asinine and unscientific agenda. Allan Keith is totally clueless and bordering on being a pathological liar. Only scientifically illiterate punks on an agenda of complete nonsense would have you thinks so. It is beyond the pale and bordering on the psychotic. Your problem is your ignorance. Clearly you are lying, Bob. The problem is you and your ignorance, Bob Get an education and stop being such a little crybaby. Clearly you have reading comprehension issues. You are totally clueless, Bob. That is completely false and borders on the moronic. It definitely sounds like you cannot follow along because you are scientifically illiterate. With watertight arguments like this, it is a mystery why ID has not been accepted by the scientific community. [URL=https://uncommondescent.com/atheism/answering-aks-claims-a-the-so-called-gish-gallop-is-an-id-technique-and-b-evil-is-a-concep t-fabricated-by-religion/#comment-658468]Joe G is such a tool.  :p  :p  :p [/URL] That’s not true. Tools have a purpose.

Texas Teach Posts: 2084 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 18 2018,16:06    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ May 18 2018,15:48) Quote (stevestory @ May 18 2018,15:06) Quote 195 Allan KeithMay 18, 2018 at 9:19 am I thought that it would be informative to summarize some of ET’s more insiteful and constructive criticisms of his opponents:   Quote Allan is either deluded or a pathological liar. Your shameless and cowardly equivocation is duly noted. As is your inability to assess the evidence. Or perhaps you should stop being such a cowardly jerk. Only a desperate punk would say that in response to: ou don’t know anything about being civil or respectful. And you definitely don’t understand science Your willful ignorance is not an argument. ID is not beholden to your asinine and unscientific agenda. Allan Keith is totally clueless and bordering on being a pathological liar. Only scientifically illiterate punks on an agenda of complete nonsense would have you thinks so. It is beyond the pale and bordering on the psychotic. Your problem is your ignorance. Clearly you are lying, Bob. The problem is you and your ignorance, Bob Get an education and stop being such a little crybaby. Clearly you have reading comprehension issues. You are totally clueless, Bob. That is completely false and borders on the moronic. It definitely sounds like you cannot follow along because you are scientifically illiterate. With watertight arguments like this, it is a mystery why ID has not been accepted by the scientific community. [URL=https://uncommondescent.com/atheism/answering-aks-claims-a-the-so-called-gish-gallop-is-an-id-technique-and-b-evil-is-a-concep t-fabricated-by-religion/#comment-658468]Joe G is such a tool.  :p  :p  :p [/URL] That’s not true. Tools have a purpose. Joe has a purpose: as a cautionary tale for the rest of us. -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr "I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

Glen Davidson Posts: 1100 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 18 2018,17:05    Yes, well, I prayed "Lord, make the IDists ridiculous." And then I prayed, "I just asked for you to make them ridiculous, not bombastic simpletons." But it was too late. Glen Davidson -------------- http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p....p Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 19 2018,11:32    Quote 3 ETMay 19, 2018 at 7:16 am Is PZ Myers even qualified to review anything? Just ask him how he thinks animals came to be here and you will read the most unscientific and nonsensical story ever. says the guy who doesn't understand high-school trig or probability.       ETA Linky Edited by stevestory on May 19 2018,12:40

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 19 2018,11:35    Quote 4 chris haynesMay 19, 2018 at 7:47 am The Creationist Law of Biogenesis, “Sine operatione Divina omne vivum ex vivo”*, is confirmed by ALL empirical data regarding the Origin of Life. This is in spite of a 100 year effort by the world’s top scientists to refute it. ETA Linky Creationists? Ain't no creationists round these parts Edited by stevestory on May 19 2018,12:38

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 19 2018,11:36    Quote 1 OldAndrewMay 19, 2018 at 5:52 am If breeding pairs of monkeys can cross oceans on logs then why can’t viable molusc eggs hitch a ride across the galaxy on chunks of ice from octo-Krypton, hitting a life-sustaining planet with a nurturing environment and the right level of salinity at just the right point in its history like a bulls-eye? After all, the earth is 70% ocean, so that makes it easy. easy is a relative term i guess. (Had to use tinyurl to get around UD's retardedly-long links. Somebody should explain to them how links work) Edited by stevestory on May 19 2018,12:39

Cubist Posts: 558 Joined: Oct. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 19 2018,18:17    Quote (stevestory @ May 19 2018,11:36) Quote 1 OldAndrewMay 19, 2018 at 5:52 am If breeding pairs of monkeys can cross oceans on logs then why can’t viable molusc eggs hitch a ride across the galaxy on chunks of ice from octo-Krypton, hitting a life-sustaining planet with a nurturing environment and the right level of salinity at just the right point in its history like a bulls-eye? After all, the earth is 70% ocean, so that makes it easy. easy is a relative term i guess. (Had to use tinyurl to get around UD's retardedly-long links. Somebody should explain to them how links work) Perhaps the extra-long links are intelligently designed as a gambit to discourage outsiders from linking to their spew?

Glen Davidson Posts: 1100 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 19 2018,18:37    Quote (Cubist @ May 19 2018,18:17) Quote (stevestory @ May 19 2018,11:36) Quote 1 OldAndrewMay 19, 2018 at 5:52 am If breeding pairs of monkeys can cross oceans on logs then why can’t viable molusc eggs hitch a ride across the galaxy on chunks of ice from octo-Krypton, hitting a life-sustaining planet with a nurturing environment and the right level of salinity at just the right point in its history like a bulls-eye? After all, the earth is 70% ocean, so that makes it easy. easy is a relative term i guess. (Had to use tinyurl to get around UD's retardedly-long links. Somebody should explain to them how links work) Perhaps the extra-long links are intelligently designed as a gambit to discourage outsiders from linking to their spew? If they were that bright, there wouldn't be a UD. Glen Davidson -------------- http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p....p Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 20 2018,12:36    Quote 233 Allan KeithMay 20, 2018 at 9:50 am ET, Quote There cannot be a Gish gallop on a blog or discussion forum. Wiki begs to differ: Quote ”In written form, a Gish Gallop is most commonly observed as a long list of supposed facts or reasons, as a pamphlet or green ink web page, with a title that proudly boasts the number of reasons involved.” How has joe done this for 20 years without learning anything?

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 20 2018,13:08    Re "How has Joe done this for 20 years without learning anything?" Lots of practice? Edited by stevestory on May 20 2018,14:59

Glen Davidson Posts: 1100 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 20 2018,14:27    Dense:   Quote Bob O’H at 1, up to the early modern era, there was no evidence against the ancient view of astrology. Disbelief centred on philosophical considerations. Because no one could tell if predictions did or didn't come to pass in ancient times.   Even Augustine had an empiric argument against astrology.  Now I know how magic like ID is shored up with endlessly more and more excuses to "explain" why you don't get the results that you paid for (you expected life to appear designed?  Why?   You're doing theology, not science, by demanding that design should appear designed), and I'm sure that Augustine's argument could be and was faulted because the two babies with different fates weren't born at the exact moment, etc., but really, who cares?  You just don't go into that rat hole, and demand real results like Augustine did, and you can observe that astrology just doesn't deliver. Of course I suspect that she's defending Behe's testimony at Dover--which isn't as bad as some critics make it out to be, but ultimately fails because it doesn't distinguish between the ancient and always-dubious-to-more-skeptical-minds kind of "science," and more modern science.  He did get into the differences a bit, but only after claiming that astrology was science, just not one that worked.  Still it was always a sort of pseudoscience by today's standards. Glen Davidson -------------- http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p....p Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

clamboy Posts: 299 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 20 2018,21:57    Quote (stevestory @ May 20 2018,12:36) Quote 233 Allan KeithMay 20, 2018 at 9:50 am ET, Quote There cannot be a Gish gallop on a blog or discussion forum. Wiki begs to differ: Quote ”In written form, a Gish Gallop is most commonly observed as a long list of supposed facts or reasons, as a pamphlet or green ink web page, with a title that proudly boasts the number of reasons involved.” [URL=https://uncommondescent.com/atheism/answering-aks-claims-a-the-so-called-gish-gallop-is-an-id-technique-and-b-evil-is-a-concep t-fabricated-by-religion/#comment-658546]How has joe done this for 20 years without learning anything?[/URL] Much as I thank you for providing links, this one leads to a 404 error at UD, which unfortunately often happens when I follow your links. But let me add, that is only my experience.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 20 2018,22:10    Quote (clamboy @ May 20 2018,22:57) Quote (stevestory @ May 20 2018,12:36)   Quote 233 Allan KeithMay 20, 2018 at 9:50 am ET,   Quote There cannot be a Gish gallop on a blog or discussion forum. Wiki begs to differ:   Quote ”In written form, a Gish Gallop is most commonly observed as a long list of supposed facts or reasons, as a pamphlet or green ink web page, with a title that proudly boasts the number of reasons involved.” [URL=https://uncommondescent.com/atheism/answering-aks-claims-a-the-so-called-gish-gallop-is-an-id-technique-and-b-evil-is-a-concep t-fabricated-by-religion/#comment-658546]How has joe done this for 20 years without learning anything?[/URL] Much as I thank you for providing links, this one leads to a 404 error at UD, which unfortunately often happens when I follow your links. But let me add, that is only my experience. No it's not just you. UD likes to give real long dumb links to their posts, and when you paste it the ikonboard software, ikonboard puts a line break into it. When I notice that's happened, I convert it to a shorter link with a service like tiny url. But if it happens and you want to see the unbroken link, go up to the address bar and you'll see something like Code Sample "https://uncommondescent.com/atheism/answering-aks-claims-a-the-so-called-gish-gallop-is-an-id-technique-and-b-evil-is-a- concep<br>t-fabricated-by-religion/#comment-658546 see where it says Code Sample <br> ? that's the offending part. delete those four characters in the address bar and the link will work. It's a board software bug.

Glen Davidson Posts: 1100 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 20 2018,22:16    "Allan Keith at 5, how do we know it could easily have been prevented?" Because birds do keep testes in their body cavities, near the ancestral position, while having high body temperatures.  It's not that difficult.  Why weren't birds blessed with a greater risk of hernias and damage to testes, like human males were? harry, at 8, "It is asinine to criticize the design of that which one has no idea whatsoever how to build." But to praise it as superb design while being an IDiot is just fine.  That's always the design "analogy," of course, all confirmation bias.  If it "looks like" great design, you should just fall on your knees and praise the Designer.  If it's what blind adaptation would produce instead of what a great thinker would, how dare you question the Designer, infidel? Glen Davidson -------------- http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p....p Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

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