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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2012,09:45   

TWT

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There's a huge difference between "calm tone" and caving in.  All that being submissive accomplishes is to encourage the IDiots to think that they are dominant and superior, and lets them think that they have 'conquered' their opponent, and conquering, domination, and superiority is what  they want. In other words, it 'enables' them and strengthens them.


quick question... who gives a fuck what they think?  they aint doing shit except blowing in each others ears over there.  if febble wants to piss on their parade or apologize for existing either way it means absolutely fuckall to whether they ever teach this horseshit in schools and it has jackshit to do with the fact that they can't publish that tripe even if they try.  not sure what you are worked up about , it's fucking UD man you might manage your expectations a bit old bean

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2012,09:49   

the fact that anyone goes there at all is pretty much a function of the panda and FT/SB network.  i love the shit as much as any of you tardmonglers but for the zillionth time if we quit looking at it, it would die on it's own.  

none of the locals on gordon e mullings rock even respect his crazy babbling idiot ass, just cause the sombitch shows up on your monitor don't meant the motherfucker is relevant to anything in the world except as a pisspot for satisfying our SIWOTI.  friendly ground check

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2012,10:05   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Feb. 08 2012,09:49)
the fact that anyone goes there at all is pretty much a function of the panda and FT/SB network.  i love the shit as much as any of you tardmonglers but for the zillionth time if we quit looking at it, it would die on it's own.  

Yeah, but if it dies, then what would we do?



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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2012,10:16   

well there is always the letters to the editor comment section on your local newspaper LMAO

anybody read the Banana Boat Quarterly?  I bet Gordon skips that shit.  The real tard is on topix

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2012,10:27   

Quote (eigenstate @ ,)

Biology is sun-powered.

Well, except where it's thermal-vent powered.  Not that that changes the situation re:SLoT.

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Robin



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2012,10:31   

Quote (The whole truth @ Feb. 08 2012,08:34)
I'm not assuming that she is submissive, I'm observing it.

I agree that their insults make them look worse and that the responses EL receives "lay bear the ignorance and mean-spiritedness at the core of UD", but I can't agree that being submissive to mullings or any other IDiot is a necessary or productive way to deal with them.

There's a huge difference between "calm tone" and caving in.  All that being submissive accomplishes is to encourage the IDiots to think that they are dominant and superior, and lets them think that they have 'conquered' their opponent, and conquering, domination, and superiority is what  they want. In other words, it 'enables' them and strengthens them.

Remember what I said about lions, limping prey, that I can see EL's weaknesses, and so the predatory IDiots can too?

Why do you think that EL gets so many accusations of being a liar thrown at her, and so many insults, and so much attention from the most belligerent, domineering IDiots? Sure, some other people get the same things thrown at them but some people who are more 'in-their-face' with the IDiots are not accused or insulted as much as EL is. Do you know why?

There are basically three things to consider:

1. The IDiots, and especially certain ones, are arrogant, narcissistic, chauvinistic, male, controlling, authoritarian, jealous, power-hungry, ruthless, predatory, unscrupulous god-wannabes.

2. EL is a woman, and they know it.

3. EL shows many weaknesses, and even submissiveness at times.  

Once or twice on UD I've seen an IDiot say they they respect a strong opponent. Now, whether respect is really what that particular IDiot felt or not, it is something to think about. Of course most of the IDiots would never say that they respect a strong opponent and wouldn't 'respect' any opponent under any circumstances, but that doesn't mean that opponents shouldn't stand up firmly for whatever respect they 'deserve', and especially whatever respect they deserve from self-proclaimed 'moral', bible-thumping, ten-commandment promoting christians.

Think about this:

If you were in a face to face discussion/debate with a self-proclaimed 'moral' evangelical fundamentalist christian (e.g. gordo) and they repeatedly called you a liar and insulted you over and over again just because you disagree with them and point out why, with rational, evidence based arguments, in a calm tone, would you just stand there and take it and/or continue to try to discuss/debate anything with them, and would you think it's a good idea to show weaknesses or be submissive in any way?

The fatal error is to let a predator see you limp.

I disagree with you on this Truth.

While I find your analogies apt to some extent - such as "limping" prey being ~ to submissive debate participant - I disagree that in the UD format it makes any difference.

Let me ask you, what do you envision a Gordon Mullings or KF UD "pounce" would look (or read) like? Seriously? In what way would it - could it - ever actually harm Lizzie or anyone else? So what if they think they've conquered in their little world? It doesn't give them any actual points out where it actually could count.

I will certainly grant you that this might be different if she (or I) was in a face-to-face debate, but she isn't. That's the point. I think the fact she's doing what she does in the little dark corner that is UD makes all the difference. They are fangless predators there.

I think that's what Lizzie's figured out. The only thing they can "whip out" is their e-peen and some how affect someone else's ego. But Lizzie isn't going in to that fray with any ego or anything else on the line. She's completely immune to their pouncing and in fact just make them look completely impotent. They have no power at UD. Ranting in that echo chamber completely muffles any effect the rants might have. So Lizzie can - and imho quite effectively does - act as calmly passive - or even submissive in your view - and friendly as can be and all it does is to get them to pound their chests hard enough to hurt. Good for her.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2012,11:29   

I have a degree in chemical engineering.  The idiotic statements about the second law are raising my blood pressure and sorely tempting me to sock up.
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Joe:
Living organisms arising from non-living matter via unplanned, unguided, blind processes would violate the second law.

Would someone over there please ask him to show the math behind that claim?

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2012,11:39   

Quote (Patrick @ Feb. 08 2012,12:29)
I have a degree in chemical engineering.  The idiotic statements about the second law are raising my blood pressure and sorely tempting me to sock up.
 
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Joe:
Living organisms arising from non-living matter via unplanned, unguided, blind processes would violate the second law.

Would someone over there please ask him to show the math behind that claim?

why?  remember caek?  that motherfucker don't know no maths.  lmao

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2012,11:46   

Quote (rossum @ Feb. 08 2012,06:44)
Quote (Quack @ Feb. 08 2012,04:22)
I learned aeons ago that blood flow to the brain increase when a person is performing some intelligent action like kopfrechnen. (Got kopfrechnen from Duden, couldn't find an English translation of 'hoderegning'.) "Head calculation"? doesn't look good to me.

Try "mental arithmetic".  A case where English uses its Latin roots rather than its Germanic ones.

rossum

or try http://dict.leo.org/....leo.org.

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2012,12:12   

Quote (Patrick @ Feb. 08 2012,12:29)
I have a degree in chemical engineering.  The idiotic statements about the second law are raising my blood pressure and sorely tempting me to sock up.
 
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Joe:
Living organisms arising from non-living matter via unplanned, unguided, blind processes would violate the second law.

Would someone over there please ask him to show the math behind that claim?

in terms of LULZ output, what do you think is the most entertaining thing about "conversations with Joe".  

in my experience i think pushing him until he chimps out and hamfists his keyboard is the best.  but there is definitely something hilarious about him trying to be all calm and collected and "discuss the evidence wherever it may lie"

he says shit like "maybe when evilutionists test stochatsic hypothsess and get they're results rigorously peer reviewed then they will have evidence for they're positions" and I a.l.m.o.s.t. die

LMFAO

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
The whole truth



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2012,12:13   

Just a few things to consider for now:

If UD, and what is said there by the IDiots, are unimportant, why does this site exist, why does this thread exist, and why are threads about UD the most popular ones on this site? And, why are there many other sites that focus a lot of attention on UD and what the IDiots say there?

By the way, have you all seen this:

8.1.1.3.4
Joe
February 8, 2012 at 10:23 am

You are so dense that you are a walking black hole.

That is something one shouldn’t be proud of yet you are quite happy with it.

Strange…

From here

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Yep, it's directed at EL. That it isn't directed at eigenstate or champignon, who are also in that thread, is revealing (but not surprising to me). What's also revealing (but not surprising) is that none of the IDiots are chastising joe for saying it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2012,12:18   

Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Feb. 07 2012,11:05)
Weikert:
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If Stephens and Giberson had written their book a century earlier, they could have blasted conservative evangelicals for rejecting the eugenics movement and compulsory sterilization for the disabled, which many secular intellectuals considered progressive and scientific. Secular intellectuals do not agree among themselves on many issues, especially moral issues, so why are we required to embrace whatever is the majority view of the secular elite at any given time?


Shorter Weikert:"Accept assertion - me historian! Why listen to thinkers?"

In fact, the Eugenics programs were supported by conservative Evangelicals, and conservative politicians.

See for example  Stefan Küehl's "The Nazi Connection: Eugenics, American Racism, and German National
Socialism" (2002 Oxford University Press), or Jonathan Peter Spiro's “Defending the Master Race: Conservation, Eugenics, and the Legacy of Madison Grant” (2008 Univ. of Vermont Press).

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Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2012,12:20   

Quote (The whole truth @ Feb. 08 2012,13:13)
If UD, and what is said there by the IDiots, are unimportant, why does this site exist, why does this thread exist, and why are threads about UD the most popular ones on this site? And, why are there many other sites that focus a lot of attention on UD and what the IDiots say there?

Two reasons immediately spring to mind:

a) These nitwits and those who take them seriously vote.  Public refutations of their nonsense may sway the views of lurkers.

b) At some point the only appropriate response to willfully ignorant claims is to point and laugh.  Intelligent design creationists have earned mockery.

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2012,12:29   

Quote (The whole truth @ Feb. 08 2012,13:13)
If UD, and what is said there by the IDiots, are unimportant, why does this site exist, why does this thread exist, and why are threads about UD the most popular ones on this site?

easy!

LULZ

Lenny Flank said, 5 1/2 years ago

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Because ID is dead as a mackerel, there’s no point in arguing against it scientifically anymore, and all we have left is making fun of diehard IDiots like Donald (insert UD retard here) who still try to walk the stinking corpse around, a la Weekend at Bernie’s.


play me out, keyboard cat

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2012,12:31   

anybody "lurking" over there is either one of us or drank the kool aid.  

i think it's important to resist efforts by creationists to debase public science education, implement theocratic agendas or defame and character assassinate public figures, full stop.

but all that shit on UD aint none of that, it's a circle jerk and they fight over the cracker

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2012,12:36   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Feb. 08 2012,13:31)
anybody "lurking" over there is either one of us or drank the kool aid.  

But, but, but kairosfocus assures me that there are many onlookers!

Okay, you're right.  I'll add another reason to the list:

c) Some of us are exhibiting a character flaw similar to that of school children who make fun of their classmates who ride the short bus.

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2012,12:45   

baahaha

arguing gives you good arguing practice.  but so maybe building chops is another reason.  but i can't see any higher reason for engaging those morons at UD.  i would like to see the whole site shitcanned and dustbinned but since that won't happen the best thing that can be done with it is to try to give gordon mullings an aneurysm from his autoindulgent logorrhea

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
Robin



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2012,12:52   

Quote (The whole truth @ Feb. 08 2012,12:13)
Just a few things to consider for now:

If UD, and what is said there by the IDiots, are unimportant, why does this site exist, why does this thread exist, and why are threads about UD the most popular ones on this site? And, why are there many other sites that focus a lot of attention on UD and what the IDiots say there?

Silly Truth. UD exists because without it logic would have no meaning.
:p

But seriously, I don't think UD's existence is indicative of anything more than some folks want a place to rant about their pet peeve and some of us who have discovered it love to mock their ranting.

ETA: Correction: This is how UD sees "Atheistic Darwinists".

Seymour is how the folks at UD see themselves.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2012,12:58   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Feb. 08 2012,12:12)
Quote (Patrick @ Feb. 08 2012,12:29)
I have a degree in chemical engineering.  The idiotic statements about the second law are raising my blood pressure and sorely tempting me to sock up.
 
Quote
Joe:
Living organisms arising from non-living matter via unplanned, unguided, blind processes would violate the second law.

Would someone over there please ask him to show the math behind that claim?

in terms of LULZ output, what do you think is the most entertaining thing about "conversations with Joe".  

in my experience i think pushing him until he chimps out and hamfists his keyboard is the best.  but there is definitely something hilarious about him trying to be all calm and collected and "discuss the evidence wherever it may lie"

he says shit like "maybe when evilutionists test stochatsic hypothsess and get they're results rigorously peer reviewed then they will have evidence for they're positions" and I a.l.m.o.s.t. die

LMFAO

Someone might want to remind Joe (AGAIN!) that he's the only one who thinks evolution occurs via blind, undirected, processes.

sigh...

Hold tight to the strawman Joe, he'll return your love someday.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2012,14:40   

Quote (noncarborundum @ Feb. 08 2012,10:27)
 
Quote (eigenstate @ ,)

Biology is sun-powered.

Well, except where it's thermal-vent powered.  Not that that changes the situation re:SLoT.

Yes, good point.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2012,15:09   

Another reason to keep it alive is that it is a little like Ron Paul's newsletter, great evidence against ID itself.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2012,15:24   

Quote (Patrick @ Feb. 08 2012,10:36)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Feb. 08 2012,13:31)
anybody "lurking" over there is either one of us or drank the kool aid.  

But, but, but kairosfocus assures me that there are many onlookers!

Okay, you're right.  I'll add another reason to the list:

c) Some of us are exhibiting a character flaw similar to that of school children who make fun of their classmates who ride the short bus.

This.

I see the ATBC/UD relationship as a sign of the forward march of civilisation.  Three hundred years ago, if you wanted to laugh at the mentally ill, you had to go to Bethlehem Hospital (aka Bedlam) and pay the admission charge.  Now we can do it for free.

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2012,15:41   

Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 08 2012,16:24)
Quote (Patrick @ Feb. 08 2012,10:36)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Feb. 08 2012,13:31)
anybody "lurking" over there is either one of us or drank the kool aid.  

But, but, but kairosfocus assures me that there are many onlookers!

Okay, you're right.  I'll add another reason to the list:

c) Some of us are exhibiting a character flaw similar to that of school children who make fun of their classmates who ride the short bus.

This.

I see the ATBC/UD relationship as a sign of the forward march of civilisation.  Three hundred years ago, if you wanted to laugh at the mentally ill, you had to go to Bethlehem Hospital (aka Bedlam) and pay the admission charge.  Now we can do it for free.

with lolcats!  Fuck You, Herbert Butterfield!

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2012,15:49   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Feb. 08 2012,15:41)
Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 08 2012,16:24)
Quote (Patrick @ Feb. 08 2012,10:36)
 
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Feb. 08 2012,13:31)
anybody "lurking" over there is either one of us or drank the kool aid.  

But, but, but kairosfocus assures me that there are many onlookers!

Okay, you're right.  I'll add another reason to the list:

c) Some of us are exhibiting a character flaw similar to that of school children who make fun of their classmates who ride the short bus.

This.

I see the ATBC/UD relationship as a sign of the forward march of civilisation.  Three hundred years ago, if you wanted to laugh at the mentally ill, you had to go to Bethlehem Hospital (aka Bedlam) and pay the admission charge.  Now we can do it for free.

with lolcats!  Fuck You, Herbert Butterfield!

We fight them over there, so we don't have to fight them here.



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2012,15:52   

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I have a degree in chemical engineering.  The idiotic statements about the second law are raising my blood pressure and sorely tempting me to sock up.
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Joe:
Living organisms arising from non-living matter via unplanned, unguided, blind processes would violate the second law.

Would someone over there please ask him to show the math behind that claim?


Over at the Panda, there was a loooong discussion of Granville Sewell’s unanswerable argument all about their lies wrt the 2 LoT.

Edit: Quote added.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2012,16:06   

I tried to leave a comment on Jonathan Bartlett's article at the page he links to from UD
http://www.classicalconversations.com/easyblo....?team=1

Can anyone else see it? I'm not sure if he moderates the site or not.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2012,16:22   

Quote (eigenstate @ Feb. 08 2012,13:40)
Quote (noncarborundum @ Feb. 08 2012,10:27)
 
Quote (eigenstate @ ,)

Biology is sun-powered.

Well, except where it's thermal-vent powered.  Not that that changes the situation re:SLoT.

Yes, good point.

On the other hand, a large fraction of geothermal presumably comes from the sun, even if it's indirectly. ( I guess some of it comes from radioactive decay as well.)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2012,16:24   

Quote (Kattarina98 @ Feb. 08 2012,14:52)
Over at the Panda, there was a loooong discussion of Granville Sewell’s unanswerable argument all about their lies wrt the 2 LoT.

Edit: Quote added.

Thirty seven pages of it! (Comments closed at the end.)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2012,16:25   

Quote (dvunkannon @ Feb. 08 2012,16:06)
I tried to leave a comment on Jonathan Bartlett's article at the page he links to from UD
http://www.classicalconversations.com/easyblo....?team=1

Can anyone else see it? I'm not sure if he moderates the site or not.

This one?
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David Vun Kannon · Director at Deloitte
I think you are too focused on 'mutation' in your description of evolution. There are many ways that genetic information could change that are not simple mutation, chromosomal rearrangement in sexual reproduction being the most obvious.


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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2012,16:43   

Quote (Henry J @ Feb. 08 2012,16:22)
   
Quote (eigenstate @ Feb. 08 2012,13:40)
     
Quote (noncarborundum @ Feb. 08 2012,10:27)
       
Quote (eigenstate @ ,)

Biology is sun-powered.

Well, except where it's thermal-vent powered.  Not that that changes the situation re:SLoT.

Yes, good point.

On the other hand, a large fraction of geothermal presumably comes from the sun, even if it's indirectly. ( I guess some of it comes from radioactive decay as well.)

I'm not sure what you're referring to.  The references I've been able to find attribute the majority of Earth's internal heat to a combination of radioactive decay and the residual heat of accretion, with minor contributions from other sources.  The USGS, for example, says
   
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Heat within the Earth comes from two main sources: radioactive decay and residual heat. . . . The radioactive decay of naturally occurring chemical elements -- most notably uranium, thorium, and potassium -- releases energy in the form of heat, which slowly migrates toward the Earth's surface. Residual heat is gravitational energy left over from the formation of the Earth -- 4.6 billion years ago -- by the "falling together" and compression of cosmic debris.


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"The . . . um . . . okay, I was genetically selected for blue eyes.  I know there are brown eyes, because I've observed them, but I can't do it.  Okay?  So . . . um . . . coz that's real genetic selection, not the nonsense Giberson and the others are talking about." - DO'L

  
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