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Occam's Aftershave



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(Permalink) Posted: May 01 2018,17:05   

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Just to make sure it doesn't get lost in the Bio-Complexity thread:      
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Günter Blechly describes a new fossil insect species Chrismooreia michaelbehei sp in Bio-Complexity which      
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is named in honor of Professor Michael Behe (Lehigh University) for his groundbreaking
contributions to intelligent design theory, which had great
influence on the personal views of the author [Blechly].

linky: http://bio-complexity.org/ojs.........2018.1


ETA: I should have known that they will trumpet the news at EN&V.

A number of people have asked why Blechly published this incestuously in the DI's phony science rag he helps edit instead of a professional paleontology journal.  Nothing but crickets so far....

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(Permalink) Posted: May 02 2018,03:36   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ May 01 2018,17:05)
Quote (sparc @ May 01 2018,11:48)
Just to make sure it doesn't get lost in the Bio-Complexity thread:      
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Günter Blechly describes a new fossil insect species Chrismooreia michaelbehei sp in Bio-Complexity which        
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is named in honor of Professor Michael Behe (Lehigh University) for his groundbreaking
contributions to intelligent design theory, which had great
influence on the personal views of the author [Blechly].

linky: http://bio-complexity.org/ojs.........2018.1


ETA: I should have known that they will trumpet the news at EN&V.

A number of people have asked why Blechly published this incestuously in the DI's phony science rag he helps edit instead of a professional paleontology journal.  Nothing but crickets so far....

I looked through it briefly & didn't see any reason why the paper would be controversial (unless there are issues around access to the fossil), but this isn't my area of work so I could easily miss something.

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fusilier



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(Permalink) Posted: May 02 2018,08:21   

Quote (Bob O'H @ May 02 2018,04:36)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ May 01 2018,17:05)
 
Quote (sparc @ May 01 2018,11:48)
Just to make sure it doesn't get lost in the Bio-Complexity thread:        
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Günter Blechly describes a new fossil insect species Chrismooreia michaelbehei sp in Bio-Complexity which          
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is named in honor of Professor Michael Behe (Lehigh University) for his groundbreaking
contributions to intelligent design theory, which had great
influence on the personal views of the author [Blechly].

linky: http://bio-complexity.org/ojs.........2018.1


ETA: I should have known that they will trumpet the news at EN&V.

A number of people have asked why Blechly published this incestuously in the DI's phony science rag he helps edit instead of a professional paleontology journal.  Nothing but crickets so far....

I looked through it briefly & didn't see any reason why the paper would be controversial (unless there are issues around access to the fossil), but this isn't my area of work so I could easily miss something.

It's been a long time since I read the rules on naming, but there is one on publishing in an appropriate, reasonably-well-distributed, journal.  

There were people, in the XIXth Century, who heard about discoveries, and quickly published in their personal, obscure, journals in order to get priority.

This doesn't appear to be such a case, but ....

fusilier

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(Permalink) Posted: May 02 2018,08:59   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ May 01 2018,15:05)
Quote (sparc @ May 01 2018,11:48)
Just to make sure it doesn't get lost in the Bio-Complexity thread:      
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Günter Blechly describes a new fossil insect species Chrismooreia michaelbehei sp in Bio-Complexity which        
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is named in honor of Professor Michael Behe (Lehigh University) for his groundbreaking
contributions to intelligent design theory, which had great
influence on the personal views of the author [Blechly].

linky: http://bio-complexity.org/ojs.........2018.1


ETA: I should have known that they will trumpet the news at EN&V.

A number of people have asked why Blechly published this incestuously in the DI's phony science rag he helps edit instead of a professional paleontology journal.  Nothing but crickets so far....

A creationist naming a fossil...


SPROINNNNGGGG.

Guess what that was. Go on, guess.

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fusilier



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(Permalink) Posted: May 02 2018,10:51   

Quote (fnxtr @ May 02 2018,09:59)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ May 01 2018,15:05)
Quote (sparc @ May 01 2018,11:48)
Just to make sure it doesn't get lost in the Bio-Complexity thread:        
Quote
Günter Blechly describes a new fossil insect species Chrismooreia michaelbehei sp in Bio-Complexity which        
Quote
is named in honor of Professor Michael Behe (Lehigh University) for his groundbreaking
contributions to intelligent design theory, which had great
influence on the personal views of the author [Blechly].

linky: http://bio-complexity.org/ojs.........2018.1


ETA: I should have known that they will trumpet the news at EN&V.

A number of people have asked why Blechly published this incestuously in the DI's phony science rag he helps edit instead of a professional paleontology journal.  Nothing but crickets so far....

A creationist naming a fossil...


SPROINNNNGGGG.

Guess what that was. Go on, guess.

Oh, c'mon.

EVERYbody knows that fossils are from Teh Noachian Flood.

Creos are good with that.

fusilier

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(Permalink) Posted: May 05 2018,20:19   

So the article ( http://bio-complexity.org/ojs.........2018.1 ) reads largely like a standard "new species" paper, even saying that the fossil is in beds that represent a marine deltaic environment 191 m.y. ago, except (a) the holotype for now resides in a private collection and lacks a collection number*, and (b) one leetle tiny section of text right near the end that says "In any case the high degree of homplasy shows that the overall pattern of similarity is very incongruent and does not readily align with a hierarchical system required by evolutionary classification.  While surprising from the perspective of common ancestry, such incongruences would not be surprising from the perspective of common design.  To avoid a dilemma here, I recommend basing classification on maximum similarity rather than assumed common descent."  

Well, that explains why it didn't get published in a more traditional venue.

*Re Bob O'H's comment, the ICZN recommends but does not require that holotypes be in secure collections where the specimens are available for study.  These days more researchers are refusing to name holotypes that do not meet this recommendation, but practice varies.

I'm not a specialist in insects, so I have no idea whether his details and interpretations are valid, but just how the heck does he think cladistics works anyway, if not by mathematical evaluation of similarity?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2018,18:54   

The Pooch:

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But if something operates without any goal, and finds a lot of goals, that sounds more like a miracle.


Linky

Unless you call it what it is, lying by equivocation.

See, that's the superiority of their position, moral certitude coupled with a host of deceptive and dishonest tactics.  To be sure, they're often lying to themselves as much as to others, but the two go together, and they generally manage to escape the confines of their moral absolutes by using some transparent subterfuge or other.

Glen Davidson

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2018,22:48   

Quote (Glen Davidson @ May 08 2018,18:54)
The Pooch:

   
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But if something operates without any goal, and finds a lot of goals, that sounds more like a miracle.


Linky

Unless you call it what it is, lying by equivocation.

See, that's the superiority of their position, moral certitude coupled with a host of deceptive and dishonest tactics.  To be sure, they're often lying to themselves as much as to others, but the two go together, and they generally manage to escape the confines of their moral absolutes by using some transparent subterfuge or other.

Glen Davidson

And he's agreeing with ET.

Hopeless.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2018,07:35   

Denyse describing ID, although that's possible not what she intended:
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My diagnosis of a crowd of people who might vaguely remind one of  Jeremy Shapiro: Those who cannot deal with a fact base often build an elaborate drama around why it doesn’t really exist or else doesn’t mean what it means, conscripting key players into unfamiliar roles and generalizing about the rest.


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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2018,10:02   

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Denyse describing ID, although that's possible not what she intended:
 
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My diagnosis of a crowd of people who might vaguely remind one of  Jeremy Shapiro: Those who cannot deal with a fact base often build an elaborate drama around why it doesn’t really exist or else doesn’t mean what it means, conscripting key players into unfamiliar roles and generalizing about the rest.

Dense does have a point:

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Don’t trust the court system you pay taxes for to decide against the continuing Darwin imposture; they have every reason to decide for it – not because it is true but because the idea that there is no design, no responsibility, and no free will makes your local tax burdens’ lives a lot easier. They can force you to support them while they do nothing of consequence.

And they may even be doing something that harms you. What if they are persecuting a local white coat who is actually developing useful treatments, but he refuses to affirm Darwinism as true? So they run him out of town.


Quite the drama, allowing her to avoid the fact base.  Making up a lie about a scientist being run out of town for refusing to affirm that "Darwinism" is true.  But she said "may."  Oh yeah, a weasel word to cover completely made-up bullshit.

I'm glad she's coming to some self-awareness.  Ha.  It's really projection without end.

Glen Davidson

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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2018,10:58   

Judges are going to rule against creationism so that they can continue to wastefully tax you and "run out of town" creationist scientists?

Wut?

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2018,11:18   

She sounds ready to martyr herself. She wouldn't of course because she would be the only "reporter" at the event. There'd be no story. She's like the crazy guy on the corner with an "The End is Nigh ....buy my book" sign.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2018,11:41   

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She sounds ready to martyr herself. She wouldn't of course because she would be the only "reporter" at the event. There'd be no story. She's like the crazy guy on the corner with an "The End is Nigh ....buy my book" sign.

The crazy guy's book is better-written.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2018,11:55   

Yeah she should add more dragons definitely.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2018,14:44   

Speaking of dense, our resident potty-mouthed chowder-head has been awfully quiet since his last spanking.

Is anyone marking his cycles on a calendar?  Maybe it's a medication thing.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2018,15:13   

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Speaking of dense, our resident potty-mouthed chowder-head has been awfully quiet since his last spanking.

Is anyone marking his cycles on a calendar?  Maybe it's a medication thing.

Or a probation-officer thing.

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Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers

There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2018,16:13   

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Speaking of dense, our resident potty-mouthed chowder-head has been awfully quiet since his last spanking.

Is anyone marking his cycles on a calendar?  Maybe it's a medication thing.

Or a probation-officer thing.

Lycanthropy?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2018,16:32   

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Speaking of dense, our resident potty-mouthed chowder-head has been awfully quiet since his last spanking.

Is anyone marking his cycles on a calendar?  Maybe it's a medication thing.

He's still posting hot and heavy as "ET" at the Dense Place.

Pretty predictable actually.  Whenever his ass gets too sore from the royal reaming he's getting he retreats to the IDiot Fortress Of Solitude and kisses up to KF for while.  At least until the feeling returns.   :)

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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2018,17:58   

Maybe he's pausing his commenting here to learn some basic trig so he can understand how CO2 reemits ~50% of the IR radiation back towards earth.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2018,17:58   

Ha! Just Kidding. Joe never learns anything.  :p  :p  :p

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2018,18:22   

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Isolated complex functional islands in the ocean of sequences: a model from English language, again.

May 8, 2018 Posted by gpuccio under Intelligent Design


haven't heard that shit before.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2018,18:36   

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HeartlanderMay 8, 2018 at 11:35 am
David Berlinski –
On the Derivation of Ulysses from Don Quixote


Never heard of Heartlander before, but if he's lengthily quoting Berlinski he's saved me the trouble of ever reading his posts. Thanks, Heartlander!

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2018,19:45   

I just saw the dipshit post on some news site that used DISQUS as Joseph Gallien.
:p

Edited by Dr.GH on May 09 2018,17:46

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 10 2018,10:46   

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HeartlanderMay 8, 2018 at 11:35 am
David Berlinski –
On the Derivation of Ulysses from Don Quixote


Never heard of Heartlander before, but if he's lengthily quoting Berlinski he's saved me the trouble of ever reading his posts. Thanks, Heartlander!

If Dense is the Digitalis of ID Berlinski is its Laudanum.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 10 2018,14:38   

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HeartlanderMay 8, 2018 at 11:35 am
David Berlinski –
On the Derivation of Ulysses from Don Quixote


Never heard of Heartlander before, but if he's lengthily quoting Berlinski he's saved me the trouble of ever reading his posts. Thanks, Heartlander!

If Dense is the Digitalis of ID Berlinski is its Laudanum.

More like the ExLax i=of ID.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 10 2018,15:18   

With fiends like that, who needs enemas?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 10 2018,15:44   

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AK,
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Anyone who repeatedly claims that any of these groups suffer from one or more of these maladies is either delusional, insane, suffers from mental illness, or is just compulsively dishonest.

BA77,
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Since Atheistic materialism does not reflect reality as it really is, then Atheistic materialism is, by definition, delusional thinking!

I rest my case.


In BatShit77's case extreme stupidity goes pretty far.

linky

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 10 2018,16:29   

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Allan KeithMay 9, 2018 at 7:48 pm
AK,
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Anyone who repeatedly claims that any of these groups suffer from one or more of these maladies is either delusional, insane, suffers from mental illness, or is just compulsively dishonest.

BA77,
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Since Atheistic materialism does not reflect reality as it really is, then Atheistic materialism is, by definition, delusional thinking!

I rest my case.


In BatShit77's case extreme stupidity goes pretty far.

linky

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Charles McVety May 10, 2018 at 1:21 pm

Allan, that you refuse to accept the reality of an all loving God is proof enough that you are delusional and that nobody should take you seriously. You are probably pro abortion, in favour of radical sex education and in favour of the redefinition of marriage. It is people like you who are leading to the downfall of our civilization.

Looks like BatShitCrazy77 has a new boy friend.

Crazy man walking

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 10 2018,16:43   

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in favour of radical sex education


What fresh hell is this?

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 10 2018,17:38   

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in favour of radical sex education


What fresh hell is this?

If he is who I think he is, this should raise UD to a new level. This moron makes BatShitCrazy77, Barry and KairosFocus look like masturbating devil worshippers.

He actually had his show kicked off a Christian TV network because he was incapable of abiding by their code of ethics. If I remember correctly, it was the “I will not knowingly lie” that he had a problem with.

  
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