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CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: April 23 2018,19:31   

The Wisdom of O'Leary:  
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When evidence points people away from what they want to believe, they often respond by undermining the evidence.

Amen!

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: April 24 2018,13:12   

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jdkApril 22, 2018 at 8:59 pm
What a repetitive, stupid argument that ba is enamored of.


linky

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: April 24 2018,13:15   

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Bob O'HApril 24, 2018 at 11:22 am
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And yet, “you” hold to a reductive materialistic philosophy which denies the reality of “you” and says “that “You”, your joys and your sorrows, your memories and your ambitions, your sense of personal identity and free will, are in fact no more than the behaviour of a vast assembly of nerve cells and their associated molecules.”

No, I don’t hold to a philosophy like that. I’ve told you this several times. You have repeatedly mis-represent my views.

But again, you are the only one around here who has claimed that I or Seversky don’t exist. Don’t push your weird views onto other people, especially after they’ve told you that these views don’t represent their views. It makes you appear confused, at best.


Bob O'H attempt to straighten out BS77 #(googol-1)

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: April 24 2018,14:35   

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ScuzzaMan     April 24, 2018 at 12:36 pm
I have a very jaundiced view of TE so sensitive readers should not read any further.

I am convinced that:

1. There is no possible reconciliation between the Christian God and Evolution.

2. People who try to reconcile them merely demonstrate that they understand neither. Evolution requires aeons of death, disease and dismemberment. The TE-ers Christian God calls this “very good” and then goes on to lie about how and why death came into the world.

I will go further and say that the craving for the intellectual respect of one’s enemies is a fatal flaw. Proponents of Theistic Evolution are viewed with suspicion (at best, more usually as heretics) by their Christian fellows, and with derision by their evolutionist fellows.

And rightly so, because they’ve subjugated their intellect and principles to their desire for in-group acceptance, a flaw that renders them fundamentally unreliable as allies or worshippers.


is ScuzzaMan new? I don't remember him.

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: April 24 2018,14:37   

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ScuzzaManApril 24, 2018 at 12:24 pm
“may have”

“may not have”

… it’s all a bit yawn, isn’t it?

I MAY have better things to do than ponder the imponderables of the deep past in a senseless attempt to order my speculations in a manner most pleasing to remote strangers.

But, apparently, real scientists don’t.


ScuzzaMan is tardin it up!

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: April 24 2018,15:57   

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kairosfocusApril 24, 2018 at 7:49 am
UA, ever took apart a fairly simple mechanical contrivance such as a fishing reel? Notice, how it is made of arranged, coupled parts that work together to achieve function? Where, parts use materials, and so forth? Now, apply to the body plan and associated structures. The same obtains, and a logical first answer is to parts, wholes and to the assembly-coupling process. That is a commonplace, not hard to see; and yes there is fuzzyness around the edges of concepts, scales etc but not enough to twist the point into the meaninglessness you seem to want to get to. Now, go to the cell, considered as a body plan in its own right. We now have organelles, molecules, membranes and so forth. Molecular nanotech parts. Much of this turns on AA sequence chains, folding and assembly, most famously with the flagellum. Parts, assemblies, wholes. Next ponder D/RNA and info coding, here we see parts, assembly, wholes that use framing techniques. Nobel Prize level work identified codes and we have seen associated machinery that fits with the classic info system model, as say Yockey pointed out. All of this, despite fuzziness. KF


fishing reel!

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: April 24 2018,16:00   

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UA, ever took apart a fairly simple mechanical contrivance such as a fishing reel? Notice, how it is made of arranged, coupled parts that work together to achieve function?


Notice how easy it'd be to spot in a forest because it doesn't look a goddam thing like natural shit?

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2018,12:29   

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is perfectly correct.

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Truth Will Set You FreeApril 25, 2018 at 10:53 am
gpuccio @ 243: That was good. A living legend you are.
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gpuccioApril 25, 2018 at 11:06 am
Truth Will Set You Free:

Thank you, you are too kind!  🙂

I just try to keep my ideas clear about ID theory. All the merits belong to the theory itself!  🙂


linky

   
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2018,13:29   

Merits? What merits?

  
JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2018,14:17   

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Merits? What merits?

Well, it's keeping a street corner in Montserrat free of a sign-waving loony.  That's something.

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Glen Davidson



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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2018,14:22   

Quote (Henry J @ April 25 2018,13:29)
Merits? What merits?


Oh, you know, Jesus Designer, confirmation bias, cherry-picking, and a homiletic approach to "science."

Not merits in our world, but in ID world they are.

Glen Davidson

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Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2018,14:30   

Yeah, in ID World they've upended 150 years of science, destroyed the prevailing wisdom, revolutionized everything.

In reality, biologists keep working hypotheses, refining the knowledge, doing experiments, publishing data, making progress, while they're a dozen loons posting on a blog.

   
Texas Teach



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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2018,16:23   

Quote (stevestory @ April 25 2018,14:30)
A dozen loons posting on a blog.

Would be an excellent name for a band.

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Jkrebs



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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2018,19:31   

Question: is ET over at UD Joe Gallien, or not. Does anyone know for sure???

  
Ptaylor



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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2018,19:52   

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Question: is ET over at UD Joe Gallien, or not. Does anyone know for sure???

I think this answers your question.

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Jkrebs



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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2018,20:24   

Thanks.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 26 2018,23:26   

Quote (Henry J @ April 25 2018,13:29)
Merits? What merits?

Theory? What theory?

  
CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: April 27 2018,21:05   

Good news from Granville Sewell:    
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Wipf and Stock has generously agreed to let me post my 2016 book Christianity for Doubters on my website now, so you can download the entire book here.
Translated into English,  
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Sales of my latest book are so poor that the publishers are letting me give it away.
The download address is here.
Comments are closed, of course.

  
JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: April 27 2018,22:52   

Quote (CeilingCat @ April 27 2018,19:05)
Good news from Granville Sewell:    
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Wipf and Stock has generously agreed to let me post my 2016 book Christianity for Doubters on my website now, so you can download the entire book here.
Translated into English,    
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Sales of my latest book are so poor that the publishers are letting me give it away.
The download address is here.
Comments are closed, of course.

Granville Sewell: confirming doubts since 2016.

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Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers

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Glen Davidson



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(Permalink) Posted: April 30 2018,06:36   

The IDiots have figured out our plans!

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From Evolution News: Moreover, the article by Rachel Gross spills the beans about something we knew already: that the real goal of most evolution educators isn’t simply to start a conversation about evolution. Rather, the aim is conversion, that is, convincing the public to “accept” evolution.


I hear, too, that geologists aren't interested in starting a discussion about whether or not the earth is flat or spherical, but actually intend for us to think it's spherical (spheroidal to the pedants).

Mathematicians want us to believe that 1 + 1 + 1 = 3, rather than consider that 1 + 1 + 1 might equal e.

Watch out, scientists (and mathematicians) want to achieve factual results, rather than consider Denyse's bullshit.  Sad, but true.

Glen Davidson

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Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: April 30 2018,09:12   

Quote (Glen Davidson @ April 30 2018,06:36)
The IDiots have figured out our plans!

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From Evolution News: Moreover, the article by Rachel Gross spills the beans about something we knew already: that the real goal of most evolution educators isn’t simply to start a conversation about evolution. Rather, the aim is conversion, that is, convincing the public to “accept” evolution.


I hear, too, that geologists aren't interested in starting a discussion about whether or not the earth is flat or spherical, but actually intend for us to think it's spherical (spheroidal to the pedants).

Mathematicians want us to believe that 1 + 1 + 1 = 3, rather than consider that 1 + 1 + 1 might equal e.

Watch out, scientists (and mathematicians) want to achieve factual results, rather than consider Denyse's bullshit.  Sad, but true.

Glen Davidson

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Mathematicians want us to believe that 1 + 1 + 1 = 3, rather than consider that 1 + 1 + 1 might equal e.

But it does, in fact it equals both. In base e/3.

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Lethean



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(Permalink) Posted: April 30 2018,09:37   

Heh. So, I was firing up an old desktop I didn't care much about whose boot drive had crashed several years ago. I spent some time rooting around on the secondary drive where I had some golden oldies stored.

I had hoped to find what I thought was an archived copy of the good Dr. Dr. Dembski's “The Judge Jones School of Law” shockwave flash file with the original, very highbrow, fart audio. Sadly what I have is the edited version, sans flatulence.

Looking back at the two threads he posted about it on UD it seems the original was only up for about five days before he removed it and I hadn't caught it in time after all. I'd upload and share it for archival sake but that's been done already. (here it is on archive.org) There is a snapshot on Dec 14th, 2006 which should have caught the original flash file, announced upload at UD on the 12th then announced removal on the 17th, but if you click to view it archive.org loads up a snap of the "/oe" flash page dated Jan 2nd. 2007

Sadly, OverwhelmingEvidence.Com has fallen down the memory hole, no doubt crushed under the overwhelming weight of all that evidence for the Logos theology of John's Gospel restated in the idiom of information theory.

Anyway, in the pile of crap stored on that drive, that mostly will not be missed, like ever, I did find these. So the effort wasn't a total bummer. Hat-tip to the author. :)













(they were originally named brown1.jpg thru brown5.jpg, imgur archive is here)

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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: April 30 2018,09:47   

Quote (Bob O'H @ April 30 2018,07:12)
Quote (Glen Davidson @ April 30 2018,06:36)
The IDiots have figured out our plans!

 
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From Evolution News: Moreover, the article by Rachel Gross spills the beans about something we knew already: that the real goal of most evolution educators isn’t simply to start a conversation about evolution. Rather, the aim is conversion, that is, convincing the public to “accept” evolution.


I hear, too, that geologists aren't interested in starting a discussion about whether or not the earth is flat or spherical, but actually intend for us to think it's spherical (spheroidal to the pedants).

Mathematicians want us to believe that 1 + 1 + 1 = 3, rather than consider that 1 + 1 + 1 might equal e.

Watch out, scientists (and mathematicians) want to achieve factual results, rather than consider Denyse's bullshit.  Sad, but true.

Glen Davidson

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Mathematicians want us to believe that 1 + 1 + 1 = 3, rather than consider that 1 + 1 + 1 might equal e.

But it does, in fact it equals both. In base e/3.

That's it. Ms. Gross' black helicopter priveleges are suspended immediately.

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Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: April 30 2018,14:55   

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Bob O'H April 30, 2018 at 6:14 am
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ET –
Bob- Do you really think that you can form coherent sentences by blindly and mindlessly rearranging groups of letters? Really? Or doing that and then incorporating more letters?


Isn’t that what you do?

Bazinga

  
sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: April 30 2018,14:59   

Isn't this the very same guy who kicked our Dembski?
     
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Southern Baptist leader pushes back after comments leak urging abused women to pray and avoid divorce


In case the link contains "<br>" just copy/paste the following link

www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2018/04/29/southern-baptist-leader-pushes-back-after-comments-leak-urging-abused-women-to-pray-and-av
oid-divorce/

ETA: If the link appers broken here use


https://tinyurl.com/y89bnzz....89bnzzc

Edited by sparc on April 30 2018,15:03

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: April 30 2018,15:05   

Move this post to the bathroom wall but how the board deals with long URLs really sucks.

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: April 30 2018,23:00   

I have really enjoyed many of the recent posts to this thread.

Thanks.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 01 2018,03:37   

Quote (Lethean @ April 30 2018,09:37)
Heh. So, I was firing up an old desktop I didn't care much about whose boot drive had crashed several years ago. I spent some time rooting around on the secondary drive where I had some golden oldies stored.

I had hoped to find what I thought was an archived copy of the good Dr. Dr. Dembski's “The Judge Jones School of Law” shockwave flash file with the original, very highbrow, fart audio. Sadly what I have is the edited version, sans flatulence.

Looking back at the two threads he posted about it on UD it seems the original was only up for about five days before he removed it and I hadn't caught it in time after all. I'd upload and share it for archival sake but that's been done already. (here it is on archive.org) There is a snapshot on Dec 14th, 2006 which should have caught the original flash file, announced upload at UD on the 12th then announced removal on the 17th, but if you click to view it archive.org loads up a snap of the "/oe" flash page dated Jan 2nd. 2007

Sadly, OverwhelmingEvidence.Com has fallen down the memory hole, no doubt crushed under the overwhelming weight of all that evidence for the Logos theology of John's Gospel restated in the idiom of information theory.

Anyway, in the pile of crap stored on that drive, that mostly will not be missed, like ever, I did find these. So the effort wasn't a total bummer. Hat-tip to the author. :)













(they were originally named brown1.jpg thru brown5.jpg, imgur archive is here)

POTW.

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It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 01 2018,10:02   

Quote (Bob O'H @ May 01 2018,03:37)
 
Quote (Lethean @ April 30 2018,09:37)
Heh. So, I was firing up an old desktop I didn't care much about whose boot drive had crashed several years ago. I spent some time rooting around on the secondary drive where I had some golden oldies stored.

I had hoped to find what I thought was an archived copy of the good Dr. Dr. Dembski's “The Judge Jones School of Law” shockwave flash file with the original, very highbrow, fart audio. Sadly what I have is the edited version, sans flatulence.

Looking back at the two threads he posted about it on UD it seems the original was only up for about five days before he removed it and I hadn't caught it in time after all. I'd upload and share it for archival sake but that's been done already. (here it is on archive.org) There is a snapshot on Dec 14th, 2006 which should have caught the original flash file, announced upload at UD on the 12th then announced removal on the 17th, but if you click to view it archive.org loads up a snap of the "/oe" flash page dated Jan 2nd. 2007

Sadly, OverwhelmingEvidence.Com has fallen down the memory hole, no doubt crushed under the overwhelming weight of all that evidence for the Logos theology of John's Gospel restated in the idiom of information theory.

Anyway, in the pile of crap stored on that drive, that mostly will not be missed, like ever, I did find these. So the effort wasn't a total bummer. Hat-tip to the author. :)

[snip]

(they were originally named brown1.jpg thru brown5.jpg, imgur archive is here)

POTW.

The question is, of course, "Which week?"

  
sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: May 01 2018,11:48   

Just to make sure it doesn't get lost in the Bio-Complexity thread:
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Günter Blechly describes a new fossil insect species Chrismooreia michaelbehei sp in Bio-Complexity which  
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is named in honor of Professor Michael Behe (Lehigh University) for his groundbreaking
contributions to intelligent design theory, which had great
influence on the personal views of the author [Blechly].

linky: http://bio-complexity.org/ojs.........2018.1


ETA: I should have known that they will trumpet the news at EN&V.

Edited by sparc on May 01 2018,11:50

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- William Dembski -

   
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