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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2018,09:11   

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Just for fun I did the math. If you're 5 miles up, and radiate in every direction, 174.4º points toward the earth and 185.6º points toward space. So that would be 51.56% toward space and 48.44% toward earth. Because of the exponentially decreasing concentration of the atmosphere, most of the CO2 is <5 miles up, so the real numbers are both closer to 50% in reality, but it was an amusing exercise.

Well, yeah, Steve, but that was math math, not Joemath.  If your axioms include "there's a largest known number" and "probabilities can be not even zero," who knows?

"not even zero" would be less than zero. So negative probabilities...

"there's a largest known number"

I virtually never read anything joe wrote until a few months ago, but I heard about this. Did he actually say, and mean that?

No, he insisted he didn't mean "less than zero."  We went around that with him a while ago.  I don't have a link, but it's in this thread somewhere - it was quite some time after the original appearance of "not even 0" which is linked in my sig..  What he meant was if he decides a probability is not worth the bother of estimating, then it's not even zero.  Yes, I know that's fucking stupid.

And yes, he did go on about there being a largest known number at one point.  I suspect he failed to understand a story about the largest known prime number.  But this is Joe, so who the hell knows?

The question was fucking stupid. No one but an imbecile asks what the probability is there is a specific letter in some sentence.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2018,09:12   

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The original dumbass claim was that CO2 is like a blanket.

That claim is clearly total bullshit.

Anything and everything else is just a desperate attempt to distract from that.

Yeah, what do all those dumb scientists know compared to a self proclaimed genius toaster repairman?  :D
   
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Along with other gases like methane and nitrous oxide, CO2 acts like a blanket, absorbing infrared radiation and preventing it from leaving the atmosphere. The net effect causes the gradual heating of Earth's atmosphere and surface.

This is called the "greenhouse effect" because a similar process occurs in a greenhouse: Relatively high-energy UV and visible radiation penetrate the glass walls and roof of a greenhouse, but weaker IR can't pass through the glass. The trapped infrared keeps the greenhouse warm, even in the coldest winter weather.

LiveScience:  Causes of Global Warming


That you can find someone who sez CO2 acts like a blanket just proves there are more imbeciles out there.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2018,09:13   

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Energy still doesn't have a temperature


and yet

         
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LESS ENERGY LOST = RAISES THE TEMPERATURE


The irony of it all...

both the statements you quoted are true. Go find any person who ever passed a basic thermodynamics class and they'll confirm it.

Joke still doesn't understand the difference between heat and temperature even though it's been explained to him several times.  I really think he's just too stupid to ever get it.

Already covered, dipshit. There is a direct correlation between heat and temperature.

And as a matter of fact there isn't any heat transfer if the temperature is the same.

Correlation still doesn't mean they're the same thing dumbass.  You really are too stupid to understand the most basic of concepts.

It's another wavelength = frequency moment for sure.   :D

I never said they were the same thing, asshole.

Yah. You did. You didn’t bring up the “context” nonsense until over a year of trying to defend your stupid claim. Do you need help with those goalposts?

No dumbass, we were talking about heat and temperature.

As for frequency and wavelength I shouldn't have had to bring up context. The mere fact that I had to bring it up proves that you are an ignorant asshole

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2018,09:16   

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 It doesn't have to ALL "point in the same direction" to warm the planet more than if the greenhouse gases weren't present.

How can you be such a dumbfuck and not even read the words in your own picture??   :D

In fact, if you can do simple geometry you can see that because most of the atmosphere is within ~10 mi of the surface, and the radius of the earth is ~4k mi, a reradiated ray of IR will be directed back to earth ~50% of the time.

Is that in peer-review? Reference please

Oh, come one, Joe, you remember SOH CAH TOA, don't you?

OK so it isn't in peer-review. And all references say randomly, not ~50% back towards earth.


And it is all moot because of the night it all gets lost back into space eventually.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2018,09:18   

CO2 does not act like a blanket. Once it absorbs the energy it releases it just as fast.

Go to any desert. At night tell me how that alleged blanket is working for you.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2018,09:21   

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The CO2 also vibrates and contacts other molecules, losing some of its thermal energy potential.


Losing it to where?  What happens to those molecules then?  No one knows!!!!!!

No, they get that small amount of energy, start vibrating and lose it. The point is the CO2's absorbed energy is spread around as opposed to just be re-emitted towards earth or anywhere, in full force.

Lose it to where Joke?  Where does that energy get "spread around" to?

Space, as the diagram shows, moron.

Maybe Joe thinks "the winds" are some kinda gas that gets above the CO2?

Nope. It just moves it and its radiation around and keeps it from reach the surface

Good thing the air temperature has no affect on the surface then.

so now we know Joe's never had advanced calculus because he doesn't understand the concept of Boundary Conditions.

Heat Equation

Make your case and tell me how that refutes anything that I have posted.

Or shut the fuck up

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2018,09:25   

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https://www.thestar.com/news.......rs.html

That's right. There have been higher levels of CO2 before and there wasn't any run-away greenhouse effect. That is because the analogy is bullshit and the night helps reset it all.

If the earth's rotation was that of Venus and the CO2 concentration was higher, much higher, we may have a problem. But when the earth's rotation slows to the speed to make such a scenario possible animals will have issues breathing as the rotation helps mix the gasses.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2018,09:31   

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Radio waves are energy. Do the AM and FM transmitters, transmitting energy, raise the temperature?

Hmm. If only there was an empirical test for this, like standing in front of a 100kW transmitter.

(eta: I just wanted to see him try it)

So it's only right in front of the transmitter and not everywhere the signal goes.

Thank you for making my point for me.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2018,09:34   

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Does anyone here understand that FOSSILS are not alive and stay as they are, meaning they don't change?

Joke Gallien the world's dumbest YEC too stupid to understand transitional fossil series show morphological changes over time.

Question-begging. You need a mechanism capable of producing those changes, dipshit.

It doesn't matter how the changes were made dumbshit.  You claimed there ARE no changes observable in the sequences.  Your dumbass is dead wrong again.    :D

You stupid fuck. I said fossils don't change. And that is right. Do you think fossils get and accumulate mutations, dipshit?

Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?  Or do you just kiss her for sexual gratification?

My mother died in 1984, asshole. But I am sure that won't stop you from kissing her.

You are a fucking coward, Kevin.

Sorry to hear that Joe teenage childbirtth death?

My mother was born the exact same day as JFK

You must have been around 14 years old when she passed away, so who looked after you Joe?
That would explain why you never graduated from High School, sad.

Cool, I was graduated from college at age 14. Nice

Yeah I hear it's risky having children later in life. Your mother would have been around 47 when she had you. Or did you graduate from ag college when you were 40? What course did you take, tractor welding?

You are a clueless asshole, ke

Since you dodged the question Joe about how old you were when you "graduated" from toaster college with your standard mouthful of grade school comeback.

Plainly you weren't 20 years old otherwise your mother would have had you when she was 47 years old.

If she did then you must have been an unwanted surprise.

Did she ever tell you who she thought your father was?

The question remains how old were you really when they finally kicked you out of toaster repair school?

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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2018,09:35   

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The CO2 also vibrates and contacts other molecules, losing some of its thermal energy potential.


Losing it to where?  What happens to those molecules then?  No one knows!!!!!!

No, they get that small amount of energy, start vibrating and lose it. The point is the CO2's absorbed energy is spread around as opposed to just be re-emitted towards earth or anywhere, in full force.

Lose it to where Joke?  Where does that energy get "spread around" to?

Space, as the diagram shows, moron.

Maybe Joe thinks "the winds" are some kinda gas that gets above the CO2?

Nope. It just moves it and its radiation around and keeps it from reach the surface

Good thing the air temperature has no affect on the surface then.

Not when the surface is already saturated by the incoming solar radiation.

Take away the atmosphere and the surface would be very, very hot. And once the Sun is gone it is freezing

CO2 and other greenhouse gasses just delay the heat from reaching space. They don't trap it and prevent it from reaching space. It still gets much cooler at night.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2018,09:36   

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Does anyone here understand that FOSSILS are not alive and stay as they are, meaning they don't change?

Joke Gallien the world's dumbest YEC too stupid to understand transitional fossil series show morphological changes over time.

Question-begging. You need a mechanism capable of producing those changes, dipshit.

It doesn't matter how the changes were made dumbshit.  You claimed there ARE no changes observable in the sequences.  Your dumbass is dead wrong again.    :D

You stupid fuck. I said fossils don't change. And that is right. Do you think fossils get and accumulate mutations, dipshit?

Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?  Or do you just kiss her for sexual gratification?

My mother died in 1984, asshole. But I am sure that won't stop you from kissing her.

You are a fucking coward, Kevin.

Sorry to hear that Joe teenage childbirtth death?

My mother was born the exact same day as JFK

You must have been around 14 years old when she passed away, so who looked after you Joe?
That would explain why you never graduated from High School, sad.

Cool, I was graduated from college at age 14. Nice

Yeah I hear it's risky having children later in life. Your mother would have been around 47 when she had you. Or did you graduate from ag college when you were 40? What course did you take, tractor welding?

You are a clueless asshole, ke

Since you dodged the question Joe about how old you were when you "graduated" from toaster college with your standard mouthful of grade school comeback.

Plainly you weren't 20 years old otherwise your mother would have had you when she was 47 years old.

If she did then you must have been an unwanted surprise.

Did she ever tell you who she thought your father was?

The question remains how old were you really when they finally kicked you out of toaster repair school?

Meet me, ke, and I will answer your personal questions.

Other than that you can go back to fucking donkeys

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2018,09:48   

hydro cycle

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H2O cools the surface when it is evaporated into water vapor

H2O in the form of water vapor increases the emissivity of the air and thus enhances the ability of heat to move up the atmospheric column via IR radiation

H2O when cooled at altitude condenses into clouds which shades and thus further cools the surface.

H2O within clouds precipitate rain and snow, which further cools the ground

Ground water is then evaporated again as the water cycle repeats and repeats and repeats.


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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2018,09:56   

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Radio waves are energy. Do the AM and FM transmitters, transmitting energy, raise the temperature?

Hmm. If only there was an empirical test for this, like standing in front of a 100kW transmitter.

(eta: I just wanted to see him try it)

So it's only right in front of the transmitter and not everywhere the signal goes.

Thank you for making my point for me.

Since the solar energy falling on a square meter of the earths surface at midday is approximately 1kw then you would need to have a 100kw transmitter on every square 100 meters of the illuminated earths surface transmitting at full power to have the equivalent amount of energy as the earth gets from the sun.


Basics of Solar Energy-Oregon University

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Average over the entire earth = 164 Watts per square meter over a 24 hour day  So the entire planet receives 84 Terrawatts of Power  our current worldwide consumption is about 12 Terrawatts ....


What that means moron is that the earth receives each day seven times more energy at the earths surface than all the electricity plants is the world combined produce in a day.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2018,09:58   

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Radio waves are energy. Do the AM and FM transmitters, transmitting energy, raise the temperature?

Hmm. If only there was an empirical test for this, like standing in front of a 100kW transmitter.

(eta: I just wanted to see him try it)

So it's only right in front of the transmitter and not everywhere the signal goes.

Thank you for making my point for me.

Since the solar energy falling on a square meter of the earths surface at midday is approximately 1kw then you would need to have a 100kw transmitter on every square 100 meters of the illuminated earths surface transmitting at full power to have the equivalent amount of energy as the earth gets from the sun.


Basics of Solar Energy-Oregon University

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Average over the entire earth = 164 Watts per square meter over a 24 hour day  So the entire planet receives 84 Terrawatts of Power  our current worldwide consumption is about 12 Terrawatts ....


What that means moron is that the earth receives each day seven times more energy at the earths surface than all the electricity plants is the world combined produce in a day.

Thank you for proving my point

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2018,10:01   

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Does anyone here understand that FOSSILS are not alive and stay as they are, meaning they don't change?

Joke Gallien the world's dumbest YEC too stupid to understand transitional fossil series show morphological changes over time.

Question-begging. You need a mechanism capable of producing those changes, dipshit.

It doesn't matter how the changes were made dumbshit.  You claimed there ARE no changes observable in the sequences.  Your dumbass is dead wrong again.    :D

You stupid fuck. I said fossils don't change. And that is right. Do you think fossils get and accumulate mutations, dipshit?

Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?  Or do you just kiss her for sexual gratification?

My mother died in 1984, asshole. But I am sure that won't stop you from kissing her.

You are a fucking coward, Kevin.

Sorry to hear that Joe teenage childbirtth death?

My mother was born the exact same day as JFK

You must have been around 14 years old when she passed away, so who looked after you Joe?
That would explain why you never graduated from High School, sad.

Cool, I was graduated from college at age 14. Nice

Yeah I hear it's risky having children later in life. Your mother would have been around 47 when she had you. Or did you graduate from ag college when you were 40? What course did you take, tractor welding?

You are a clueless asshole, ke

Since you dodged the question Joe about how old you were when you "graduated" from toaster college with your standard mouthful of grade school comeback.

Plainly you weren't 20 years old otherwise your mother would have had you when she was 47 years old.

If she did then you must have been an unwanted surprise.

Did she ever tell you who she thought your father was?

The question remains how old were you really when they finally kicked you out of toaster repair school?

Meet me, ke, and I will answer your personal questions.

Other than that you can go back to fucking donkeys

So a non answer Joe?

You clearly have the IQ of maybe a below average 11 year old and yet you must have been born between 1935 and 1957.

Which means you are somewhere between 61 and 83 years old....with the IQ of an 11 year old.

Want to clear that up smarty pants?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2018,10:04   

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Radio waves are energy. Do the AM and FM transmitters, transmitting energy, raise the temperature?

Hmm. If only there was an empirical test for this, like standing in front of a 100kW transmitter.

(eta: I just wanted to see him try it)

So it's only right in front of the transmitter and not everywhere the signal goes.

Thank you for making my point for me.

Since the solar energy falling on a square meter of the earths surface at midday is approximately 1kw then you would need to have a 100kw transmitter on every square 100 meters of the illuminated earths surface transmitting at full power to have the equivalent amount of energy as the earth gets from the sun.


Basics of Solar Energy-Oregon University

 
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Average over the entire earth = 164 Watts per square meter over a 24 hour day  So the entire planet receives 84 Terrawatts of Power  our current worldwide consumption is about 12 Terrawatts ....


What that means moron is that the earth receives each day seven times more energy at the earths surface than all the electricity plants is the world combined produce in a day.

Thank you for proving my point

Actually it doesn't moron.

If you were surrounded by 100kW transmitters on a 100 x 100 meter grid  you would be toast.

You're hand waving about something you haven't a clue about. And is another of your meaningless red herrings.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2018,10:30   

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Radio waves are energy. Do the AM and FM transmitters, transmitting energy, raise the temperature?

Hmm. If only there was an empirical test for this, like standing in front of a 100kW transmitter.

(eta: I just wanted to see him try it)

So it's only right in front of the transmitter and not everywhere the signal goes.

Thank you for making my point for me.

Since the solar energy falling on a square meter of the earths surface at midday is approximately 1kw then you would need to have a 100kw transmitter on every square 100 meters of the illuminated earths surface transmitting at full power to have the equivalent amount of energy as the earth gets from the sun.


Basics of Solar Energy-Oregon University

Quote
Average over the entire earth = 164 Watts per square meter over a 24 hour day  So the entire planet receives 84 Terrawatts of Power  our current worldwide consumption is about 12 Terrawatts ....


What that means moron is that the earth receives each day seven times more energy at the earths surface than all the electricity plants is the world combined produce in a day.

That figure for total solar energy striking the earth sounded woefully inadequate.  Here's a figure I found:

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Solar energy is the most abundant energy resource on earth -- 173,000 terawatts of solar energy strikes the Earth continuously. That's more than 10,000 times the world's total energy use.


https://www.energy.gov/article....-energy

I don't see any calculations, but it sounds a lot closer to what must be the case, that there's vastly more solar energy coming in than any amount we use.

Glen Davidson

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2018,10:54   

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CO2 does not act like a blanket. Once it absorbs the energy it releases it just as fast.

Go to any desert. At night tell me how that alleged blanket is working for you.

Shorter Joke:

"The planet can't be warming because it still gets cooler at night!"

Amazing stupidity you can't find just anywhere folks.  Truly amazing.   :D

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2018,10:58   

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The original dumbass claim was that CO2 is like a blanket.

That claim is clearly total bullshit.

Anything and everything else is just a desperate attempt to distract from that.

Yeah, what do all those dumb scientists know compared to a self proclaimed genius toaster repairman?  :D
       
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Along with other gases like methane and nitrous oxide, CO2 acts like a blanket, absorbing infrared radiation and preventing it from leaving the atmosphere. The net effect causes the gradual heating of Earth's atmosphere and surface.

This is called the "greenhouse effect" because a similar process occurs in a greenhouse: Relatively high-energy UV and visible radiation penetrate the glass walls and roof of a greenhouse, but weaker IR can't pass through the glass. The trapped infrared keeps the greenhouse warm, even in the coldest winter weather.

LiveScience:  Causes of Global Warming


That you can find someone who sez CO2 acts like a blanket just proves there are more imbeciles out there.

Once again, all the professional scientists say CO2 acts like a blanket to trap heat.

Dumbass scientifically ignorant blowhard toaster repairman says NUH-UH!

Whose opinion to accept?  Hmmmm... :D

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2018,10:59   

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Radio waves are energy. Do the AM and FM transmitters, transmitting energy, raise the temperature?

Hmm. If only there was an empirical test for this, like standing in front of a 100kW transmitter.

(eta: I just wanted to see him try it)

So it's only right in front of the transmitter and not everywhere the signal goes.

Thank you for making my point for me.

Since the solar energy falling on a square meter of the earths surface at midday is approximately 1kw then you would need to have a 100kw transmitter on every square 100 meters of the illuminated earths surface transmitting at full power to have the equivalent amount of energy as the earth gets from the sun.


Basics of Solar Energy-Oregon University

   
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Average over the entire earth = 164 Watts per square meter over a 24 hour day  So the entire planet receives 84 Terrawatts of Power  our current worldwide consumption is about 12 Terrawatts ....


What that means moron is that the earth receives each day seven times more energy at the earths surface than all the electricity plants is the world combined produce in a day.

That figure for total solar energy striking the earth sounded woefully inadequate.  Here's a figure I found:

 
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Solar energy is the most abundant energy resource on earth -- 173,000 terawatts of solar energy strikes the Earth continuously. That's more than 10,000 times the world's total energy use.


https://www.energy.gov/article....-energy

I don't see any calculations, but it sounds a lot closer to what must be the case, that there's vastly more solar energy coming in than any amount we use.

Glen Davidson

According to the website it is the average Incident Solar Energy on the ground over a 24hr period.

So near enough to 1kw per hour/meter2 during daylight averaged over all seasons*.

I have seen on a couple of websites the "173,000 terawatts of solar energy strikes the [Earth's surface] continuously".

Maybe Joe can do some math homework and figure it out.

But probably not the numbers are a bit big for him.

*ETA and latitudes.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2018,12:36   

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Radio waves are energy. Do the AM and FM transmitters, transmitting energy, raise the temperature?

Hmm. If only there was an empirical test for this, like standing in front of a 100kW transmitter.

(eta: I just wanted to see him try it)

So it's only right in front of the transmitter and not everywhere the signal goes.

Thank you for making my point for me.

Since the solar energy falling on a square meter of the earths surface at midday is approximately 1kw then you would need to have a 100kw transmitter on every square 100 meters of the illuminated earths surface transmitting at full power to have the equivalent amount of energy as the earth gets from the sun.


Basics of Solar Energy-Oregon University

   
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Average over the entire earth = 164 Watts per square meter over a 24 hour day  So the entire planet receives 84 Terrawatts of Power  our current worldwide consumption is about 12 Terrawatts ....


What that means moron is that the earth receives each day seven times more energy at the earths surface than all the electricity plants is the world combined produce in a day.

That figure for total solar energy striking the earth sounded woefully inadequate.  Here's a figure I found:

   
Quote
Solar energy is the most abundant energy resource on earth -- 173,000 terawatts of solar energy strikes the Earth continuously. That's more than 10,000 times the world's total energy use.


https://www.energy.gov/article....-energy

I don't see any calculations, but it sounds a lot closer to what must be the case, that there's vastly more solar energy coming in than any amount we use.

Glen Davidson

According to the website it is the average Incident Solar Energy on the ground over a 24hr period.

So near enough to 1kw per hour/meter2 during daylight averaged over all seasons*.

I have seen on a couple of websites the "173,000 terawatts of solar energy strikes the [Earth's surface] continuously".

Maybe Joe can do some math homework and figure it out.

But probably not the numbers are a bit big for him.

*ETA and latitudes.

If you know the solar intensity, the radius of the earth, and the area of a circle, you can figure it out, but the question's still up in the air about whether Joe has that level of middle-school math. We know he doesn't understand trig or probability.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2018,12:40   

And we know from his radio transmitter comments that he doesn't understand the concept of energy flux over a closed surface.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2018,13:50   

Treating the world as a disc, its area intercepting solar energy is pi*r^2.  Radius of earth is 6.371 million meters, so the "effective area" intercepting solar energy is 127 trillion square meters (ignoring incidence, which is why we're treating it as a disc).  Then it's a simple matter of knowing how many watts hit each square meter on the lit side of this "disc."  Wiki says it's 1050 watts/square meter, so that would be 130 quadrillion watts, or 130,000 terawatts.  But in space it's a higher level, which appears to be the figure used by most.  So at 1367 watts/square meter, it's 183,000 terawatts of solar energy over the entire lit side of the earth.

Which is certainly close enough to the 173,000 figure.  Still, I think I'd prefer the 1050 watts/square meter figure for solar energy on "discworld," since there is a certain amount of light reflected or absorbed by the atmosphere (think of UV light), and even that ignores clouds, I think.  So I prefer the 130,000 terawatt figure.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2018,14:02   

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OK so it isn't in peer-review. And all references say randomly, not ~50% back towards earth.

It is both random, and 50% towards earth, and if you had ever passed Trigonometry you'd know why.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2018,14:07   

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Treating the world as a disc, its area intercepting solar energy is pi*r^2.  Radius of earth is 6.371 million meters, so the area intercepting solar energy is 127 trillion square meters (ignoring incidence, which is why we're treating it as a disc).  Then it's a simple matter of knowing how many watts hit each square meter on the lit side of this "disc."  Wiki says it's 1050 watts/square meter, so that would be 130 quadrillion watts, or 130,000 terawatts.  But in space it's a higher level, which appears to be the figure used by most.  So at 1367 watts/square meter, it's 183,000 terawatts of solar energy over the entire lit side of the earth.

Which is certainly close enough to the 173,000 figure.  Still, I think I'd prefer the 1050 watts/square meter figure for solar energy on "discworld," since there is a certain amount of light reflected or absorbed by the atmosphere (think of UV light), and even that ignores clouds, I think.  So I prefer the 130,000 terawatt figure.

Glen Davidson

and wikipedia mentions

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The world's electricity consumption was 18,608 TWh[citation needed] in 2012.


which would be an average output of ~2.12 TW. Using an average of your two figures for total solar irradiance gives us 156,500 TW, so we can estimate that 74,000 times more energy hits the earth from the sun, than is generated by humans in the form of electricity.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2018,15:21   

Quote (Joe G @ May 07 2018,09:12)
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Quote (Joe G @ May 04 2018,16:38)
The original dumbass claim was that CO2 is like a blanket.

That claim is clearly total bullshit.

Anything and everything else is just a desperate attempt to distract from that.

Yeah, what do all those dumb scientists know compared to a self proclaimed genius toaster repairman?  :D
     
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Along with other gases like methane and nitrous oxide, CO2 acts like a blanket, absorbing infrared radiation and preventing it from leaving the atmosphere. The net effect causes the gradual heating of Earth's atmosphere and surface.

This is called the "greenhouse effect" because a similar process occurs in a greenhouse: Relatively high-energy UV and visible radiation penetrate the glass walls and roof of a greenhouse, but weaker IR can't pass through the glass. The trapped infrared keeps the greenhouse warm, even in the coldest winter weather.

LiveScience:  Causes of Global Warming


That you can find someone who sez CO2 acts like a blanket just proves there are more imbeciles out there.

Joke, do you even know how a blanket works?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2018,15:41   

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Joke, do you even know how a blanket works?

Pfft. Blankets don't work you faggot! All the molecules would have to be pointed in the right direction.  :p  :p  :p

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2018,16:21   

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[from Joe] No one but an imbecile asks what the probability is there is a specific letter in some sentence.


And code-breakers, of course, because frequencies of letters can be crucial in breaking codes that work by simple substitutions for specific letters.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2018,16:24   

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[from Joe] No one but an imbecile asks what the probability is there is a specific letter in some sentence.


And code-breakers, of course, because frequencies of letters can be crucial in breaking codes that work by simple substitutions for specific letters.

yep, substitution ciphers are easily broken by asking what the probability of a letter in a sentence is.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2018,16:59   

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[from Joe] No one but an imbecile asks what the probability is there is a specific letter in some sentence.


And code-breakers, of course, because frequencies of letters can be crucial in breaking codes that work by simple substitutions for specific letters.

yep, substitution ciphers are easily broken by asking what the probability of a letter in a sentence is.

And sometimes you can substitute two words with completely different meanings. Like ‘frequency’ and ‘wavelength’.

  
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