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Posted: Aug. 28 2007,09:21

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I have faith that you have enough faith to have faith that cows have faith.

Faithfully,

Erasmus

Since every steak I eat in the future will have had faith, therefore, you have unwittingly added millions to the Christian pantheon of martyers.

Congratulations! ?

BTW - I like mine medium rare.

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Posted: Aug. 28 2007,09:39

Does Sal's ego have a limit?

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Half of those here at UD have immensely greater understanding of information dynamics than Charles Darwin, and probably a greater insight into it than most evolutionary biologists.

He puts the cherry on the cake

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Darwinian evolution is getting far more credit than it deserves, and it is simply wrong as a scientific theory.

Simply wrong? No, that's ID.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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Posted: Aug. 28 2007,09:48

Scordova at UD:

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If you?re presuming we arrived at our disdain for Darwinism because we lack appreciation for science or that we are Biblical litearlists, you are wrong. The majority here at UD are NOT Biblical literalists (including myself) with respect to Genesis.

Scordova at Young Cosmos:

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I started getting interested in ID in 2001 when my father was terminally ill and I was searching for meaning in life. There were also future missionaries from my churches and Bible studies who were risking their lives for their faith. It bothered my conscience that if the Bible were false, I was merely encouraging them toward their doom. One of the missionaries was Heather Mercer who became world famous in 2001 when US Army rangers rescued her from the Taliban. Thus, I had to be assured that ID was probably true so I could sleep at night, for their sake. If ID were false, the moral thing to do would be to discourage them from being missionaries.

Discuss.

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Posted: Aug. 28 2007,09:59

ahhhh well you see sal doesn't literally believe that cow dung is given to us in place of man dung so that we might prepare our bread (Ezekiel 4:15).

that is just figurative you see and to prepareth his bread he prefers this instead, which has also been given us by god since the fruits of reason are divined from the omnipotence and beneficence of his will...

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Posted: Aug. 28 2007,10:45

discuss?

pfffftttt

Heather wotshername who was famous for Bible smuggling into the dark heart of burka country, is in Sals church?

No wonder he is still a virgin.

The girls there are men and would rather rip the nuts out of an Arab with their teeth while buried up to their necks in sand than bend over and touch their toes and think of god when Sal goes for the Gideon.

Still it would add a little spice to your love life having an AK47 shoved up your clacker while preaching the word of Doggy style. Pity he wasn't there.

Poor, poor boy.

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Posted: Aug. 28 2007,11:04

Quote (k.e @ Aug. 28 2007,08:01)

If so then do cows have faith?

Yes, and it's very MOOOOOOOO-ving.

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Posted: Aug. 28 2007,11:09

Quote (Henry J @ Aug. 28 2007,19:04)

Quote (k.e @ Aug. 28 2007,08:01)

If so then do cows have faith?

Yes, and it's very MOOOOOOOO-ving.

You should be thrown onto the horns of a dilema for that bovine quote mine

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Posted: Aug. 28 2007,16:11

tard

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Also, does every scientist in this field have to look so much like, well, a scientist? This guy definitely was the sort to get beat up a lot in high school. Could that be part of the problem?

hmmmmmm

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Posted: Aug. 28 2007,16:27

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Aug. 28 2007,16:11)

tard

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Also, does every scientist in this field have to look so much like, well, a scientist? This guy definitely was the sort to get beat up a lot in high school. Could that be part of the problem?

hmmmmmm

And we all know Dave Scot was exactly the kind of guy who would have kicked Dembski's ass in high school back in the 1970's. Every afternoon.

And in the sweepstakes of "I don't care how much counterevidence you show me, I'm always right", we have this worthy entry:

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One thing that always strikes me as a little odd is, even if they were to find, say, a clear series of transitional fossils, that tells you absolutely nothing about how that transition was made. Even if you were to find such a thing, there is still no evidence that it could come about through mutation and natural selection, and indeed, much evidence against it. Why couln?t an intelligence have shaped that gradual transition?

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Posted: Aug. 28 2007,16:32

I thought that guy might be deepcover trolling until i clicked on his webpage. no, he is really that stupid. is there not a single IDiot out there who isn't a faith head (or a pleasurian)?

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Posted: Aug. 28 2007,20:19

Renowned Technolgy Pioneer Trashes neo-Darwinism (part 1)

sal is a fucking idiot. how do you misspell technology? i hope they don't fix it.

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Posted: Aug. 28 2007,21:00

ERV does battle in the Tard Pits. Oh my god. Nostalgie de la boue??

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Posted: Aug. 29 2007,00:13

Scordova at Young Cosmos:

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I started getting interested in ID in 2001 when my father was terminally ill and I was searching for meaning in life. There were also future missionaries from my churches and Bible studies who were risking their lives for their faith. It bothered my conscience that if the Bible were false, I was merely encouraging them toward their doom. One of the missionaries was Heather Mercer who became world famous in 2001 when US Army rangers rescued her from the Taliban. Thus, I had to be assured that ID was probably true so I could sleep at night, for their sake. If ID were false, the moral thing to do would be to discourage them from being missionaries.

Discuss.

Sal, if the Bible is true, then you ought to be smuggling Bibles into Afghanistan right now. ?Slacker.

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Posted: Aug. 29 2007,00:20

Whoever did the recent server work, I think you've got the wrong alphabet installed - hence the extra question marks we're getting.

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Posted: Aug. 29 2007,04:52

ERV is slumming it over at UD.
The crap that they let through moderation is incredible. Unsupported claims, claiming other peoples work as support ID, the list goes on.

Yet DS has his finger on the bannation button already

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erv

Also, HIV-2 has a gene duplication? something Behe said ?specifically? hadnt happened in HIV.

Behe (EoE pg. 139) talking about HIV

?No gene duplication has occured leading to a new function.?

Consider this your first and only warning ERV.

It's amazing how finely they want to split hairs when ID is under the microscope, yet DS is happy for the religo-nuts to post any garbage they want without subjecting it to the same level of examination.

So, DS, tell us more about your expert knowledge of gene duplicaiton....
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It's obvious DS et al are running scared from ERV and would like nothing more then to pounce on a minor error (if error it be) and apply the bannation.

DS you are a coward, plain and simple.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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Posted: Aug. 29 2007,05:19

Tarnation, you beat me to it OMITSDDT. Well caught & good comment, although shouldn't the verb be bannination?

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Posted: Aug. 29 2007,05:34

Quote (Ptaylor @ Aug. 29 2007,05:19)

Tarnation, you beat me to it OMITSDDT. Well caught & good comment, although shouldn't the verb be bannination?

I'm always a bit blurry in the morning. bannination does sound better :)

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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Posted: Aug. 29 2007,06:10

I predict ERV's bannation by the end of today if she posts another message.

Meanwhile, Master Tardinator PaV comes up with that old favorite, "This isn't evolution, HIV didn't turn into a peppered moth or anything."

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Yes, HIV?s DNA has changed. Vpu?s DNA has changed. But the virus is still no more than a virus

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Posted: Aug. 29 2007,06:39

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ERV is slumming it over at UD.
The crap that they let through moderation is incredible. Unsupported claims, claiming other peoples work as support ID, the list goes on.

Yet DS has his finger on the bannation button already

Those that aren't banned may very likely be forced to minimize any possible conflict in order to avoid the dreaded banninination. What is pathetic is how others pretend it is an open discussion.

Michaels7 wants cites that are found in ERV's original blog, ERV & HIV versus Behe. Behe loses. which is linked in the original post.

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PaV: As Behe says, ?exactly what has all that evolution of HIV wrought?? Not much, it would appear.

HIV can evade the human immune system and has already killed millions of people. And despite the efforts of humanity's best scientitists, it is still eating people. Behe and PaV have a strange idea as to what constitutes reproductive success.

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Posted: Aug. 29 2007,07:02

Why is DaveScot itching to spring the trapdoor?

Because he's jealous of Sal for inviting ERV.

Love triangles. They make fools of us all.

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Posted: Aug. 29 2007,07:57

ERV has DaveScot's nads. DaveScot wants 'em back:

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You didn?t even read Behe?s book did you? If you had and you still wrote this

There is no excuse for you to write an entire book on the premise of HIV not being able to do something, when it is clear that these impossible feats did happen.

then that would make you (in the words of Richard Dawkins) ignorant, stupid or insane (or wicked, but I?d rather not consider that).

HIV was barely mentioned in comparison to the focal point of the book - the eukaryote P. falciparum, the parasite that causes malaria. If you?d read the book you?d know that.
And what exactly was the reason for all the sarcasm and insult directed at Professor Behe? Do you think that adds something substantial to your points? Here?s a clue, it doesn?t. It?s juvenile and adds appeal for the juvenile audience at Panda?s Thumb. Grow up.

WTF? This is batshit crazy even for DaveScot.

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Posted: Aug. 29 2007,08:13

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ERV has DaveScot's nads. ?DaveScot wants 'em back: ?

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ERV
You didn?t even read Behe?s book did you? If you had and you still wrote this

There is no excuse for you to write an entire book on the premise of HIV not being able to do something, when it is clear that these impossible feats did happen.

then that would make you (in the words of Richard Dawkins) ignorant, stupid or insane (or wicked, but I?d rather not consider that).

HIV was barely mentioned in comparison to the focal point of the book - the eukaryote P. falciparum, the parasite that causes malaria. If you?d read the book you?d know that.
And what exactly was the reason for all the sarcasm and insult directed at Professor Behe? Do you think that adds something substantial to your points? Here?s a clue, it doesn?t. It?s juvenile and adds appeal for the juvenile audience at Panda?s Thumb. Grow up.

WTF? ?This is batshit crazy even for DaveScot.

DaveScot continues,

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If you want to be a serious scholar some day then I suggest you start acting the part first, young lady.

Because we all know that scholarship is about acting like one.

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Posted: Aug. 29 2007,08:28

DS continues to nibble his own foot

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Taking a few facts and making wild extrapolations from them seems to be common practice in evolutionary theory. You?ve got that part of it down pat.

No DS, that's how ID does it.

EDIT: ID does not even bother to start with a few facts usually.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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Posted: Aug. 29 2007,08:42

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DaveScot: And what exactly was the reason for all the sarcasm and insult directed at Professor Behe?

Because after years of work, Behe maintains, Yet all those mutations, while medically important, have changed the functioning virus very little. It still has the same number of genes that work in the same way. There is no new molecular machinery.

This is a false statement that is easy to confirm for an educated scientist.The first step in any research project is a review of the relevant literature. Behe apparently either failed in this basic task, or turned a blind eye to it.

More importantly, Behe exhibits a very poor understanding of the predictions of evolutionary biology. HIV is highly optimized for its niche. Reproductive success in HIV is largely determined by how well it can evolve in response to the host's immune system. The Theory of Evolution doesn't predict that HIV will sprout wings and fly.

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PaV: That?s 10^20 viruses that have been generated?a number of individual organisms greater than all the mammalian forms produced throughout geologic time. AND, with a ?mutation rate? that is 10,000 higher than the mammalian lineage.

Yes, and HIV can evade the complex immune defenses mammals have evolved over millions of years.

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kairosfocus: It?s quite instructive that PT & Co. must resort to this sort of (misleaded) criticism about minor points to discredit the main devastating arguments by Mike.

They're not minor points. It's THE point. 1) Whether we expect an organism to evolve some arbitrary trait. 2) Behe's false statement that HIV has not evolved significantly over the last few decades.

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Posted: Aug. 29 2007,08:54

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Aug. 29 2007,06:10)

I predict ERV's bannation by the end of today if she posts another message.

Meanwhile, Master Tardinator PaV comes up with that old favorite, "This isn't evolution, HIV didn't turn into a peppered moth or anything." ?

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Yes, HIV?s DNA has changed. Vpu?s DNA has changed. But the virus is still no more than a virus

The word PaV is looking for here is 'dat'.

Yeesh. You'd think creationists could at least keep track of their own traditions.

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Posted: Aug. 29 2007,09:03

Putting a new shine on tard, DS shows his deep knowledge of virology by asking detailed questions for ERV. Unfortunately, throughout his treatise, he uses the wrong term (lentovirus) when he actually is talking about lentiviruses.

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It seems there?s an assumption you and some others are making that lentoviruses (in the form of HIV-1 and HIV-2) found for the first time a home in humans several decades ago at most.

What on earth makes you think that primate lentoviruses haven?t been attacking humans for millions of years? For all you know the first primate lentovirus was in a human millions of years ago and then jumped to other primates and then back to humans again in recent history.

Another unsupported assumption is that the current genetic survey of primate lentoviruses is somewhere near complete enough to make broad conclusions about its genetic diversity so that when something is newly discovered the discovery is conflated with newly evolved. The survey isn?t even close to that point. A few virus particles from a few individual organisms have been sequenced while uncounted trillions of lentovirus particles in dozens of primate species remain unsequenced.

Google really let him down this time, or maybe he just didn't pay attention (Did you mean: LENTIVIRUS ?)

As DS would say

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Consider this your first and only warning

Do you think he will ban himself for this egregious error? Do you think he'll read this and edit that post? Do you think he will ban ERV if she has the temerity to correct his error?

...time to go make some popcorn...

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Posted: Aug. 29 2007,09:20

DAVETARD!

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You didn?t even read Behe?s book did you? If you had and you still wrote this

There is no excuse for you to write an entire book on the premise of HIV not being able to do something, when it is clear that these impossible feats did happen.

then that would make you (in the words of Richard Dawkins) ignorant, stupid or insane (or wicked, but I?d rather not consider that).

HIV was barely mentioned in comparison to the focal point of the book - the eukaryote P. falciparum, the parasite that causes malaria. If you?d read the book you?d know that.

And what exactly was the reason for all the sarcasm and insult directed at Professor Behe? Do you think that adds something substantial to your points? Here?s a clue, it doesn?t. It subtracts from any merit there might be. It?s juvenile and adds appeal only for the juvenile audience at Panda?s Thumb. Grow up. If you want to be a serious scholar some day then I suggest you start acting the part first, young lady.

"juvenile", "young lady" - Argument from grumpy grandad.

"you want to be a serious scholar some day" - Like you, Dave?

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ERV has DaveScot's nads. DaveScot wants 'em back:

Posted: Aug. 29 2007,09:23

Quote (Hermagoras @ Aug. 29 2007,08:57)

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And what exactly was the reason for all the sarcasm and insult directed at Professor Behe? Do you think that adds something substantial to your points? Here?s a clue, it doesn?t. It?s juvenile and adds appeal for the juvenile audience at Panda?s Thumb. Grow up.

Davescot once tried to post here that he was in the courtroom in Dover and Judge Jones was gassy.

UD put up an animation of Judge Jones with farty noises dubbed in.

I defy you to show me something posted by a Panda's Thumb contributor which is that juvenile.

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Posted: Aug. 29 2007,09:26

Quote (Zachriel @ Aug. 29 2007,08:13)

Because we all know that scholarship is about acting like one.

If you *think* you come from a monkey, you'll act like one...!

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