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JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2007,14:46   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Aug. 16 2007,05:30)
<chortle> Sal thinks he's going to redefine cosmology
 
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If one thinks CDK is outrageous, consider the alternative. The Big Bang. Everything began from a region smaller than the point of pin. Further it requires Dark Matter to make it work.

This is what Dark Matter is Dark Matter: Hidden Mass Confounds Science, Inspires Revolutionary Theories.
http://www.space.com/science....-2.html

And so there is the missing link question of how a star is formed of real matter and dark matter. If Dark matter is gravitational, why does it not accrete (attract to each other and coagulate)? One has to one wonder how stars and planets form in the presence of Dark matter. Something about this seems incredibly unwholsome. Dark matter can assemble galaxies and keep them intact, yet somehow it did not accrete into planets and stars. One could argue that Dark Matter is diffuse, to which I would say "Why?". Why would it coagulate enough to form galaxies, yet not coagulate to help form stars and planets.

So the missing link here is not just the population III star, but a formation mechanism involving Dark Matter.


yeah, whatever Sal, whatever.

Meanwhile, in the real world, actual science is getting done on the subject.

There are things we don't know about dark matter.  The only logical conclusion is that it's all a load of nonsense and everything's 6,000 years old.  Isn't that right, Sal?

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2007,15:02   

JohnW, if dark matter is real, why isn't in mentioned in the bible?*



*Please note when its experimentally verified, we'll reinterpret the bible to include it.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2007,15:29   

Before light was created, all matter was dark matter... ;)

  
Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2007,08:43   

A link on YoungCosmos will take you to this biography of Walt Brown, which is apparently a chapter in a book about "Christian Men of Science". Some of the other chapters are devoted to Faraday, Maxwell, and that true champion of science, Henry Morris. No women, of course; maybe that is a separate book with a chapter on FtK.

Who knew that you could be a famous scientist while refusing to publish in the peer-reviewed literature?

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2007,09:11   

yeah wes, especially when science journals "seldom publish a paper longer than six pages"

roflmao

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2007,03:05   

Mira Pzones Salvador!
   
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Thus I suppose one can provisionally accept the universe must be at least 30,000 years old. That is reasonable, and should be kept in mind.


He never gives, up, he tries to "explain" the tail away

 
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The local interstellar medium didn't have a powerful gust (for lack of better word, I will use wind analogies) which drove the tail backward. Even a stationary object moving at 0 km/s can have along trail if a medium is moving moving fast relative to the object, such as:



If you read the thread G. P. Jellison is educating Sal on some basic facts. I bet Sal is wondering how he can ban G. P. Jellison and save face, especially as G. P. Jellison is practically the only person posting on hte board now that Sal's banned everybody else!
Linky

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2007,09:30   

Sal Cordova: Provisionally Intermediate Earth Creationist.

:p

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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2007,11:34   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 22 2007,17:30)
Sal Cordova: Provisionally Intermediate Earth Creationist.

:p

So Young Cosmos should be re-named

Provisionally Adolescent Cosmos

(...with 40 year old's pimples).

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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2007,11:40   

Quote (Henry J @ Aug. 16 2007,23:29)
Before light was created, all matter was dark matter... ;)

Dark Matter may in fact be light matter, as in weight.

Near massless low energy neutrinos or something very similar just a f*ck of a lot of them.

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Tracy P. Hamilton



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2007,13:22   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Aug. 22 2007,03:05)
Mira Pzones Salvador!
? ? ?  
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Thus I suppose one can provisionally accept the universe must be at least 30,000 years old. That is reasonable, and should be kept in mind.


He never gives, up, he tries to "explain" the tail away

? ?  
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The local interstellar medium didn't have a powerful gust (for lack of better word, I will use wind analogies) which drove the tail backward. Even a stationary object moving at 0 km/s can have along trail if a medium is moving moving fast relative to the object, such as:



If you read the thread G. P. Jellison is educating Sal on some basic facts. I bet Sal is wondering how he can ban G. P. Jellison and save face, especially as G. P. Jellison is practically the only person posting on hte board now that Sal's banned everybody else!
Linky

Do you think that Sal realizes that once he provisionally accepts 30,000 years, that this fact alone shows that Setterfield's idea is bunk, and hence the universe is 13 billion years old?

Of course not.

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2007,02:59   

Just Say God Sal!
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It is possible the Miras were formed with a tail as well which had translational velocity to give it a glow (all though that would seem rather mischievous of the Designer to do so).

But that is all speculation at this point.


You'll feel better!

mischievous = Loki?

http://www.virtual-creations.net/~youngcos/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=152

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2007,10:52   

Pretending to be Sal:

Found trapped in zircon crystals in the Jack Hills region, the small gems are the oldest identified fragments of the Earth's crust and their existence suggests the Earth may have cooled faster than previously thought, experts said on Wednesday.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2007,11:05   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 23 2007,10:52)
Pretending to be Sal:

Found trapped in zircon crystals in the Jack Hills region, the small gems are the oldest identified fragments of the Earth's crust and their existence suggests the Earth may have cooled faster than previously thought, experts said on Wednesday.

Looks like diamonds are NOT Sal's best friend.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2007,20:05   

Re "Looks like diamonds are NOT Sal's best friend. "

Why should they be - they're unstable in this environment. :p

Henry

  
k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2007,23:08   

The designer created those diamonds on a Monday ( in the dark) and by Teusday the place was cool enough to ride around on dinosaurs.

Really I just wish those guys would run those silly ideas past Sal before rushing off to print, it would save so much time. Sal could just say "Nah, I'm going to moderate your ass" and that would be end of it.

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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2007,23:27   

DT and Sal talking intelligently

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 26 2007,04:21   

Sal's young cosmos is getting decidedly middle aged
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And in fact, a universe of a few hundred million years would adequately refute Darwinian evolution and favor some form of special creation. It just might not be what the YEC community really wants, but it would be a victory for both the OEC and YEC camp.


As we all know, the age of the universe directly correlates to the truthiness of "darwinism".

And Sal's pride is growing, could there be a fall! :)

 
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I apologize for my absence as I was tied up. If you haven't heard, there is a chance that I will be in the cast of Ben Stein's "Expelled", the pro-ID movie. I was busy tracking down leads on that story lately.


So on the one hand Sal gets excited about a propaganda piece and on the other admits there is no evidence for his position!
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As I have said, I'm only about 85% convinced YEC is true, and on empirical grounds I could not say I find the evidence anywhere it needs to be to be viable.


So even Sal admits there is no actual evidence, but he's happy to promote views that rely on such evidence to kids (if this film is aimed at college kids anyway).

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 26 2007,04:36   

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Sal:
As I have said, I'm only about 85% convinced YEC is true, and on empirical grounds I could not say I find the evidence anywhere it needs to be to be viable.


So even Sal admits there is no actual evidence, but he's happy to promote views that rely on such evidence to kids (if this film is aimed at college kids anyway).


BWHAhhahahahahahahaha

That means he's 15% atheist and probably Catholic.

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 26 2007,05:16   

Sal obviously finds it useful to keep up the pretense of "I only go where the evidence leads" even if his starting point is somewhat absurd.

If he keeps this up, he'll be believing in an old universe and the power of RM+NS in no time :)

I mean, if unimpeachable evidence was presented on his forum that he had to accept that the universe is much older then his current target of a couple a hundred million years, and if he adjusts his viewpoint accordingly then what's left of his "young cosmos" claims?

Of course, we know it's just a pretense so he can appeal to "the kids" and be seen to be "open minded" about where the evidence leads. No different from AFDave in that regard, except at least AFDave was honest about it from the beginning whereas Sal is hiding behind the skirts of the scientific method.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2007,15:20   

WOW. Salvador says Creation Science was another name for ID.

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatc....hp#more

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2007,15:22   

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WOW. Salvador says Creation Science was another name for ID.

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatc....hp#more

I'm a little ticked at Ed.  It was me, after all, who first noted Sal's admission.  Yet do I get any credit?  Nope.  See here.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2007,15:27   

Quote (Hermagoras @ Aug. 27 2007,15:22)
Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 27 2007,15:20)
WOW. Salvador says Creation Science was another name for ID.

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatc....hp#more

I'm a little ticked at Ed. ?It was me, after all, who first noted Sal's admission. ?Yet do I get any credit? ?Nope. ?See here.

I'm sure you will..  ;)

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Hermagoras



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 31 2007,13:20   

Latest post at Young Cosmos: Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:23 pm.

Between Overwhelming Evidence and Young Cosmos, who will win for the least activity?  

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 31 2007,14:56   

Quote (Hermagoras @ Aug. 31 2007,13:20)
Latest post at Young Cosmos: Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:23 pm.

Between Overwhelming Evidence and Young Cosmos, who will win for the least activity? ?

Overwhelmingly Dense is perfectly designed to be just as tardariffic as Jung Homos, I mean Young Cosmos.



I would suspect that most of Sal's posters would be a lot like Cosmo Kramer...

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 31 2007,15:48   

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Much appreciated, Dr. Cheesman. No problem.

As I have said, I'm only about 85% convinced YEC is true, and on empirical grounds I could not say I find the evidence anywhere it needs to be to be viable.

It would be unethical not to make the YEC community aware of the difficulties you raise. This new phenomena is potentially fatal to the 6,000 version of YEC.

There is of course, for the sake of argument, a version of YEC which might not be in line with Genesis, but would put limits of say a few hundred million years. That may be empirically defensible even without, especally if the small universe hypothesis succeeds. I've been in touch with Robert Fritzius over the matter of futher inquiry into the small universe.

As I have stated I have far less indigestion over an alternate reading of Genesis than others here. And in fact, a universe of a few hundred million years would adequately refute Darwinian evolution and favor some form of special creation. It just might not be what the YEC community really wants, but it would be a victory for both the OEC and YEC camp.

There is plenty that troubles me over the mainstream models, not the least of whcih is the Big Bang. The YECs are not the only ones to object, but there is dissent from non-creationist quarters that is growing. The Big Bang theory could be overturned.

I apologize for my absence as I was tied up. If you haven't heard, there is a chance that I will be in the cast of Ben Stein's "Expelled", the pro-ID movie. I was busy tracking down leads on that story lately.


http://www.virtual-creations.net/~youngc....b0f#762

It is painfully evident that Sal wants a 6 day creation not only to confirm the biblical account but also do disprove "Darwinism". His new stance seems to be picked simply so that the time-frame for evolution would be too short rather than for any scientific reason.


Can't.....let......evolution...be....true.


He's a deluded nutter. The end.

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Hermagoras



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 31 2007,19:09   

I love that 85% number.  My oldest son, when he was in second grade, loved to pull numbers out of his ass.  It's what kids do. He's going into fifth grade now, and he's gotten over that practice. Same cannot be said for Sal.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 31 2007,19:20   

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And in fact, a universe of a few hundred million years would adequately refute Darwinian evolution and favor some form of special creation.


How does he figure that? The only reason we think evolution took 4+ billion years is because geological dating indicates that, not because the theory implied it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 31 2007,19:30   

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And in fact, a universe of a few hundred million years would adequately refute Darwinian evolution and favor some form of special creation.


How does he figure that? The only reason we think evolution took 4+ billion years is because geological dating indicates that, not because the theory implied it.

Henry

Sal is also apparently too pig-ignorant to understand that the young earth was, uh, given up by geologists before Darwin was even born.  

By geologists who believed in the fixity of species.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,16:36   

Given the recent discussions of Sal and his notions on the FtK thread, I thought it was worthwhile to bump this thing back to the top just so that you can read Sal's opinions on the Guillermo Gonzalez affair. I won't link to the site, because only FtK can comment there, and because the post is pure Cordrivel as only Sal can excrete it, but one sentence is worth pointing out (my emphasis).  
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Let the reader judge for himself if the content of this video is deserving of the punishments received by Gonzalez.

Earth (old) to Sal - A tenure denial is not punishment. It is one of two possible outcomes when you take a tenure-track job. Just like failing is one of two possible outcomes when you take a course on the pass/fail system. And, in both cases, the person being tested has a lot of control over what happens, if they are well-prepared and if they pay reasonable attention to the rules of the game.

Good luck in grad school, dude. You've got a lot to learn.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 14 2007,22:25   

I still have posting privileges at Young Cosmos.  I never alienated Sal enough to get booted.  Anyway, I commented on his "I'm smarter than Darwin because I know more math" post, and he has responded with some sense that he's gone overboard.  See here.

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