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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,10:53   

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In the year of thirty-nine
Assembled here the volunteers
In the days when lands were few
Here the ship sailed out into the blue and sunny morn
The sweetest sight ever seen
And the night followed day
And the story tellers say
That the score brave souls inside
For many a lonely day
Sailed across the milky seas
Ne'er looked back never feared never cried

Don't you hear my call
Though you're many years away
Don't you hear me calling you
Write your letters in the sand
For the day I'll take your hand
In the land that our grand-children knew

In the year of thirty-nine
Came a ship in from the blue
The volunteers came home that day
And they bring good news
Of a world so newly born
Though their hearts so heavily weigh
For the earth is old and grey
little darlin' we'll away
But my love this cannot be
Oh so many years have gone
Though i'm older but a year
Your mother's eyes from your eyes cry to me

Don't you hear my call
Though you're many years away
Don't you hear me calling you
Write your letters in the sand
For the day I'll take your hand
In the land that our grand-children knew

Don't you hear my call
Though you're many years away
Don't you hear me calling you
All your letters in the sand
Cannot heal me like your hand
For my life, still ahead, pity me.


39 - Queen.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,11:12   

It's the Stones dude...

Sun turnin' 'round with graceful motion
We're setting off with soft explosion
Bound for a star with fiery ocean
It's so very lonely, you're a hundred light years from home

Freezing red deserts turn to dark
Energy here in every part
It's so very lonely, you're six hundred light years from home

It's so very lonely, you're a thousand light years from home
It's so very lonely, you're a thousand light years from home

Bell flight fourteen you now can land
Seen you on Aldebaran
Safe on the green desert sand
It's so very lonely, you're two thousand light years from home
It's so very lonely, you're two thousand light years from home

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,11:13   

Dippy Joe:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-288685

 
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Joseph

05/15/2008

8:05 am
Allen,

Metal rusts and silicon can crack.

Also, if science is correct, a silicon and metal “entity” requires a meat-based entity to create it.

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If there are interstellar travelers, they clearly would not be made out of meat.-Allen


And you know this, how?


Joe has pointed out that the deadly 'space mist' might cause some rusting. It's not like vacuum is famous for preserving things or anything.. Does he think that Allen is talking about becoming a robot who drinks tea, has a bath, etc whilst waiting thousands of years for his interstellar voyage to finish?

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,11:14   

Then Lou sez:

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 15 2008,10:23)
Dippy Joe:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-288685

   
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Joseph

05/15/2008

8:05 am
Allen,

Metal rusts and silicon can crack.

Also, if science is correct, a silicon and metal “entity” requires a meat-based entity to create it.

   
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If there are interstellar travelers, they clearly would not be made out of meat.-Allen


And you know this, how?


Joe has pointed out that the deadly 'space mist' might cause some rusting. It's not like vacuum is famous for preserving things or anything.. Does he think that Allen is talking about becoming a robot who drinks tea, has a bath, etc whilst waiting thousands of years for his interstellar voyage to finish?

Physics as we currently understand it would seem to indicate that the acceleration and deceleration necessary to make interstellar flight practical would render a meatsack little more than a messy stain on the bulkhead.

Of course, space-faring aliens would presumably have a better understanding of physics than we do, so there's possibly a loophole.  Either that or they took the multi-generational approach to space travel, though I'd hardly call that "practical".

ETA:  Dan Simmons dealt with the splatter issue by pulling an alien parasite out of his ass, which as outlandish as it sounds, worked OK for his story, Endymion.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,11:14   

Rich is currently copying the relevant comments from the UD thread, at which time I'll clean up over there and we can carry on the conversation here.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,11:15   

Lou / JDog:

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Of course, space-faring aliens would presumably have a better understanding of physics than we do, so there's possibly a loophole.  Either that or they took the multi-generational approach to space travel, though I'd hardly call that "practical".

Ha!  You Darwinist Nay-Sayers forgot all about how GOD The Intelligent Designer can work miracles, so Dippy Joe can be at his destination even before he leaves.

If He can make the Virgin May appear in a grilled cheese sandwich, interstellar travel is nothing!

I'm thinking the alien parasite is more plausible, but I'm just a Materialist Church Burning Ebola Boy Nazi Chance- Worshiping Homo-sympathizing Bastard Darwinista Minion of Elsberry, so take that for what it's worth.

Also, I'm a Democrat.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,11:16   

Some Tard opines:

Quote (Lou FCD @ May 15 2008,09:45)
ETA:  Dan Simmons dealt with the splatter issue by pulling an alien parasite out of his ass, which as outlandish as it sounds, worked OK for his story, Endymion.

In 'the forever'* war they use accelerations suits or something. Time dilation doesn't meaningfully kick in until you reach a high percentage of C, so I think I'll wait for superluminal transit, thank-you-very-much.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,11:18   

Here's some words that point out why we will never have to worry about IDists suddenly appearing elsewhere in the universe:

The Best Way To Travel lyrics - It's the Moody Blues dude

And you can fly
High as a kite if you want to
Faster than light if you want to
Speeding through the universe
Thinking is the best way to travel

Ok!  I am now done with posting lyrics from British Banks of the 70's.  Hey - it's not my fault - Rich did it first...


ok.  I'm done with lyrics from British bands of the 70's.  I promise.
It's all a dream
Light passing by on the screen
And there's you and I on the beam
Speeding through the universe
Thinking is the best way to travel

We ride the waves
Distance is gone, will we find out?
How life bean, will be find out?
Speeding through the universe
Thinking is the best way to travel

And you can fly
High as a kite if you want to
Faster than light if you want to
Speeding through the universe
Thinking is the best way to travel

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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,11:22   

Badly edited other bits:

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 (Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,10:12    

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Well, not really. 1G is sufficient, and that hardly would make us a splat on the bulkhead, and we'd get to Alpha Centauri in 2-3 years or so, ship time. I'm not sure how long it would take to Earth, but at least that system would probably be a reasonable time frame.

Actually, it wouldn't take that much longer to get anywhere else, either, though if you go too far there won't be an earth left to go back to.

Isn't relativity great?


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Then my bad.

I thought I'd read that moderate G acceleration and deceleration would take much, much longer (on the order of 100 years (ship-time) each way to Alpha Centauri).

Edited to specify.
Edited again to further specify.

Edited by Lou FCD on May 15 2008,11:31


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 (Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,10:27    

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Where's Heddle? Working on his space telescope? I think it gets incrementally harder to accelerate as you approach C so in terms of energy storage and mass of the vehicle (which effects acceleration) you get into trouble quite quickly..

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation


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Nerull


A human could, in theory, travel to other galaxies if he had a constant acceleration 1g drive. Of course, the galaxy may not be where it was when he started by the time he gets there. At a constant 1g time dilation would become a major effect very quickly. No generation ships required, though since its a one way trip in most cases, bringing a breeding population for your new colony is not a bad idea.

Of course, if you go too far, everything will have changed. The planet you wanted to colonize and its star will have died long ago.
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 (Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,10:32    

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Actually, it wouldn't take that much longer to get anywhere else, either, though if you go too far there won't be an earth left to go back to.

Isn't relativity great?

Then my bad.

I thought I'd read that moderate G acceleration and deceleration would take much, much longer (on the order of 100 years each way to Alpha Centauri).

Edited to specify.

“You get time dilation, Lou. the faster you go, the slower time goes for you relative to the universe. So it depends 'which clock' you use.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation

I was aware of that, and just finished editing my comment to reflect that, coincidentally enough.

I was thinking 100 years ship time.


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 (Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,10:34    

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Where's Heddle? Working on his space telescope? I think it gets incrementally harder to accelerate as you approach C so in terms of energy storage and mass of the vehicle (which effects acceleration) you get into trouble quite quickly..

It does, but you can still get well into the range of serious time dilation in a reasonable time frame.

At least I'm pretty sure that's the case. I don't claim to be an expert on the matter.

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 (Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,10:41    

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We begin to stray from UD here, but I would like to see an expert (a little help, heddle?) chime in here, if for no other reason than curiosity.

Also, there's a web calucator here, though it's just some website and I have no idea if it's accurate.

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 (Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,10:42    

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 (Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,10:44    

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I believe that's the big deal about the new "ion thrusters" or whatever they are called, for sats. Very very small amount of acceleration but it's constant over a very long time and so builds up and eventually is faster then the old style "chuck some exploding chemicals out the back" option :)

I Am Not A Space Scientist However :-)

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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,11:24   

Thanks Rich.

Carry on.

The original comments can be more easily read here on the bathroom wall, if it's an issue for anyone.

Edited by Lou FCD on May 15 2008,14:24

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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,11:31   

Relevant, if a bit scifi:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster-than-light

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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,11:31   

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 15 2008,11:16)
Some Tard opines:

[quote=Lou FCD,May 15 2008,09:45]ETA:  Dan Simmons dealt with the splatter issue by pulling an alien parasite out of his ass,

Hmmm.... Could this be the same location that the awe-inspiring Super Secret Theory Of ID is stored????

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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,11:43   

Lene Hau has done some stuff that I think may become relevant to space travel in the distant future.

It was her experiments on stopping light, turning it into matter, and restarting the light beam from a different point in space (albeit just a few nanometers away) that inspired the drive mechanism for the ship in The Lilith Quotient.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,11:43   

I think we should creat some sort of "Summon Heddle" button that would be like the bat signal or perhaps like this

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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,11:45   

Quote (J-Dog @ May 15 2008,12:31)
Quote (Richardthughes @ May 15 2008,11:16)
Some Tard opines:

 
Quote (Lou FCD @ May 15 2008,09:45)
ETA:  Dan Simmons dealt with the splatter issue by pulling an alien parasite out of his ass,

Hmmm.... Could this be the same location that the awe-inspiring Super Secret Theory Of ID is stored????

Most probably.

(Also, I just noticed that I appear in your sig.  Thanks.)

Edited by Lou FCD on May 15 2008,12:47

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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,12:35   

Quote (Lou FCD @ May 15 2008,11:45)
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Quote (Richardthughes @ May 15 2008,11:16)
Some Tard opines:

 
Quote (Lou FCD @ May 15 2008,09:45)
ETA:  Dan Simmons dealt with the splatter issue by pulling an alien parasite out of his ass,

Hmmm.... Could this be the same location that the awe-inspiring Super Secret Theory Of ID is stored????

Most probably.

(Also, I just noticed that I appear in your sig.  Thanks.)

Nice try....

Now you have to do some real work:

Take all those Poster Bonus Points away from Rich and apply them directly to my Swiss bank account.  (That is me that did a "DI Borrow" with your comment for my signature line... :(

Thanks for your prompt response,

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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,12:46   

Quote (J-Dog @ May 15 2008,13:35)
 
Quote (Lou FCD @ May 15 2008,11:45)
 
Quote (J-Dog @ May 15 2008,12:31)
   
Quote (Richardthughes @ May 15 2008,11:16)
Some Tard opines:

     
Quote (Lou FCD @ May 15 2008,09:45)
ETA:  Dan Simmons dealt with the splatter issue by pulling an alien parasite out of his ass,

Hmmm.... Could this be the same location that the awe-inspiring Super Secret Theory Of ID is stored????

Most probably.

(Also, I just noticed that I appear in your sig.  Thanks.)

Nice try....

Now you have to do some real work:

Take all those Poster Bonus Points away from Rich and apply them directly to my Swiss bank account.  (That is me that did a "DI Borrow" with your comment for my signature line... :(

Thanks for your prompt response,

I think you need to clear the cobwebs from your brain even more than I do, dude.

I quoted you, and was speaking to you (as evidenced by said quote which you quoted in your quote which I quoted).

Pay attention, doofus.

ETA:  I just fixed your quote tag when I quoted your quote of Richard's quote of me.  Perhaps that's wherein the confusion lies?  Don't quote me on that, though.

Edited by Lou FCD on May 15 2008,13:49

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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,13:01   

Quote (Lou FCD @ May 15 2008,12:46)
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Quote (Lou FCD @ May 15 2008,11:45)
   
Quote (J-Dog @ May 15 2008,12:31)
     
Quote (Richardthughes @ May 15 2008,11:16)
Some Tard opines:

       
Quote (Lou FCD @ May 15 2008,09:45)
ETA:  Dan Simmons dealt with the splatter issue by pulling an alien parasite out of his ass,

Hmmm.... Could this be the same location that the awe-inspiring Super Secret Theory Of ID is stored????

Most probably.

(Also, I just noticed that I appear in your sig.  Thanks.)

Nice try....

Now you have to do some real work:

Take all those Poster Bonus Points away from Rich and apply them directly to my Swiss bank account.  (That is me that did a "DI Borrow" with your comment for my signature line... :(

Thanks for your prompt response,

I think you need to clear the cobwebs from your brain even more than I do, dude.

I quoted you, and was speaking to you (as evidenced by said quote which you quoted in your quote which I quoted).

Pay attention, doofus.

ETA:  I just fixed your quote tag when I quoted your quote of Richard's quote of me.  Perhaps that's wherein the confusion lies?  Don't quote me on that, though.

Ahem,

Will a simple Ooops do this justice, or do I have to resort to:

"I offer a complete and utter retraction. The imputation was totally without basis in fact, and was in no way fair comment, and was motivated purely by malice, and I deeply regret any distress that my comments may have caused you, or your family, and I hereby undertake not to repeat any such slander at any time in the future."

Maybe a Big Red D on all my posts? (D = Doofus)

Please advise!

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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,13:19   

Ooops'll do it.  I've made bigger oppses in this very thread already.

Let's get it back around to Tards in Space, though.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,13:42   

Heddle! get your science noggin type mind in here.

Could one utilize some sort of solar-sail type thing and go round and round the sun faster and faster? That'd be good because the fuel would be external to the vehicle.

ETA:

maybe this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magsail

would be betterer.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,14:05   

There's a Wikipedia entry for Solar Sails which includes some more recent experiments and (disheartening) results.

I ran my fictionalized Hau Drive idea past some physics/astronomy geeks over at the BadAstronomy/UniverseToday forums.  The reception there was chilly, but I learned some stuff and I don't think the message of "It has to be plausible, not necessarily doable" really got through.

Nevertheless, there's been some follow-up to the conversation that I interrupted regarding solar sails and other ideas for interstellar flight that one might find interesting.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,14:09   

I like 'warp drives', but you need exotic matter ('unobtainium' from that link Lou gave) to warp space.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,14:42   

Did someone mention interstellar travel?

Its likely impossible, or so expensive hardly anyone will go anywhere by it.  
But we'll see.  
For the actual argument see this post by Charles Stross, award winning SF author and person who can talk enthusiastically about a variety of topics in the pub:
http://www.antipope.org/charlie....ux.html

On the Fermi paradox:
http://www.antipope.org/charlie....or.html

Both of those, and the discussion, should help people get their heads around things.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,14:50   

Your suggested Hau drive reminds me of the matter transfer method in Piers Anthony's "Tyrant of Space" series.  It effectively worked by changing a spaceship into a beam of light and then changing it back into a space ship.  
Yes, of course it breaks all known physical laws.

So hows the story going?  care to tell us about it?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,14:52   

It's good - but I'm not through it all yet!

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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,14:57   

Quote (Lou FCD @ May 15 2008,14:05)
 The reception there was chilly,

Looked normal enough to me, given you were probably a newbie and they'll probably be more hard real science oriented.  There has been something of (another) split in SF over the past decade or two, I think.  As science develops, the more outlandish stuff gets jettisoned by the people attempting something like hard SF, leaving lots of soft SF people using wibbletech, and the hard SF people using nothing.
But then even Stross is using wormholes in some of his books, so they are respectable enough, especially for a story like you have been thinking of.

Adam Roberts, in his book called "Stone", has an FTL drive that is basically a variant on the old idea of qunantum tunneling, whereby every atom tunnels a really tiny distance, but you do it millions of times a second, so it adds up to FTL over the days you travel for.  But his version had severe limitations of size, maximum being about 2 or 3 metres across.
Whereas Gordon R Dickson had an FTL drive which relied upon the ship being treated like an electron, you know, how the probability of an electron being in a particular place is not quite zero over pretty much the entire universe.  So the spaceship is spread over the universe, and brought back together again at a different place.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,15:02   

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Your suggested Hau drive reminds me of the matter transfer method in Piers Anthony's "Tyrant of Space" series.  It effectively worked by changing a spaceship into a beam of light and then changing it back into a space ship.  
Yes, of course it breaks all known physical laws.

So hows the story going?  care to tell us about it?

Read up on Lene Hau's work, guthrie.  It may not be breaking quite as many laws as it at first appears.

Rich, you've had it for like two months!  And it's only like a third of the book!  Wanker.

Guthrie, maybe I'll throw the first chapter up for fun (and advertisement, of course - "Read my book!").

It started with a comment here on AtBC, then a five part series on UDoJ, now it's about a third of a novel.  I hope to publish it when it's done and trick some suckers into buying it convince someone to read it (and hopefully enjoy a good tale).

It's come a long way, and barely resembles the original comment.  Heck, it doesn't even really resemble the blog posts (much less explicit sex than the blog version), although a good hunk of those posts and several of Janie's other posts have gotten incorporated into the book version.

Edited by Lou FCD on May 15 2008,16:04

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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,15:03   

I'm slow, Lou.

Shakes fist!

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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,15:18   

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 15 2008,16:03)
I'm slow, Lou.

Shakes fist!

My work on it stalled just after I sent you a copy.

Coincidence?  *shakes fist back*

(Actually, things just got a little busy/crazy/hectic, and I fell out of THE ZONE.  I'm getting back to work on it today, though.)

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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,15:18   

I was talking about the Tyrant of space stuff breaking the laws of physics, not the light slowing stuff that Hau is doing.  I must read up on that again, it seems kind of screwy at first glance, but things have been getting weirder the more people explore the implications of quantum.

  
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