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Gunthernacus



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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,21:52   

I can see them now...complaining to anyone who will listen about how XVIVO is being soooo petty and overzealous; their night vision goggles bobbing animatedly as they gesture with their clipboard lists of who is the right sort and who got the fake cancellations.

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,21:53   

If the fools at UD took down the image, the shit must have hit the fan.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,22:03   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ April 09 2008,21:53)
If the fools at UD took down the image, the shit must have hit the fan.

It's still there.

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,22:10   

Quote (Richardthughes @ April 09 2008,22:03)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,April 09 2008,21:53)
If the fools at UD took down the image, the shit must have hit the fan.

It's still there.

Rich - I will take your word for it - the pic was not loading, and it still didn't load after I read your post - but I can see that the page doesn't load 100 % also, so  I'm willing to think my pc is loading slow tonight.

Crap - Now I have to go back and re-post at ERV's too.

Oh well, corrections are part of science, right?

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,22:40   

Quote (Richardthughes @ April 09 2008,21:38)
Was it copied or made independently?

Can we use the EF for this?

*bites lip*

Ask and You shall Re Sieve

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It seems that all of the hype about who supposedly copied what from whom could be more easily settled if we had some sort of way of discriminating between copies and originals. You know you can’t trust the darwinists and I’m sure that Ben STein and his supporters have to be very careful now that they don’t get sued by the ACLU. It just seems to me that there must be some sort of method that can sort this out. Doesn’t science help us out here?


hmmmm rich you must have fans.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,22:49   

Quick, to the Biologic Labs. Gil Dogems will kick teh 'puter until it stimulates properly!

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,23:05   

Quote (dogdidit @ April 09 2008,21:14)
Quote (ERV @ April 09 2008,18:25)
EXPELLED: EXPELLED for plagiarism

EXPELLED == EPIC FREAKING FAIL

Yeah, I like this comment on ERV's site from Bill:

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Bill said...

   The original release date for Expelled was Feb 8, but it was unexpectedly pulled shortly after the copyright problem regarding "the cell as a city" was revealed.

   Apparently, Expelled scrambled to produce a "like copy" of the material hoping to get around copyright.

   I'm speculating, here.

   Obviously, it wasn't enough. Since the "intelligent design" cult doesn't have any real scientists all they could hope for was to produce a knock-off in different color and hope it passed muster.

   It didn't.

   We're talking about Epic Fail Losers here. Loserville, population Discovery Institute. Mayor Behe of Loserville presiding.

   
Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,23:21   

"Bill" is your very own Doc Bill, joke writer for dheddle.

(Who doesn't pay very much, I might add.)

  
BathTub



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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,23:30   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ April 09 2008,16:33)
The only problem being that I've heard that Mike Nelson is pretty firmly an antievolutionist. It was gossip when I heard it, so I'd appreciate being corrected on that.

Well sure he's a known right of center christian type, but I've never heard that before. I will follow it up and see if I can some more direct info either way.

  
Annyday



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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,23:31   

Quote (J-Dog @ April 09 2008,21:48)
Quote (ERV @ April 09 2008,21:44)
I RESURRECTED FTK!!! WHOOOOOOO!

<--ERV, biggest bitch in the biosphere, 1st runner up biggest bitch in the solar system

Yay!  Abbie For President Empress Of The World!

If FTK hates you, you KNOW you're doing something right.

Other things resurrecting FtK proves:

1) There is no God.
2) This is not the best of all possible worlds.
3) Abbie is trying to kill us all.
4) Oil and water don't mix.
5) Time+chance DOES NOT (re)CREATE INFORMATION!1!!! ERV clearly had to use intelligence to bait out the tard, which is irreducibly complex.

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tacitus



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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,23:43   

I honestly don't see how they postpone the premier.  Unless they were so dumb as to not get any legal advice about making their own version of the animation (admittedly, they could be that dumb) then they will probably already have been told by a lawyer that they've done enough to squeak past any lawsuit over copyright.

So they'll probably go ahead with the movie and then attempt to tough it out in court.

  
Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2008,23:55   

Two things.

First, I think Expelled was held back pending the Gonzalez decision.  They couldn't very well portray him as a martyr if the Regents reversed the tenure decision.  That pushed the release date past Feb 8.  Now that Gonzalez is a full-fledged martyr and ex-astronomer they are good to go.

Second, obviously they felt they had a problem stealing the Harvard video, especially after Dembski stepped into dung in Oklahoma.  It took time to put yellow pants on Mickey Mouse and rename him Rickey Mouse, but there you have it.  Personally, I would have put in some John Wayne clips instead of the "cell as a  city." Hell Fighters would have been good.

You might say, "That makes no sense at all!"  And I would reply, "Your point?"

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,00:04   

Quote (Doc Bill @ April 09 2008,23:55)
Two things.

First, I think Expelled was held back pending the Gonzalez decision.  They couldn't very well portray him as a martyr if the Regents reversed the tenure decision.  That pushed the release date past Feb 8.  Now that Gonzalez is a full-fledged martyr and ex-astronomer they are good to go.

Second, obviously they felt they had a problem stealing the Harvard video, especially after Dembski stepped into dung in Oklahoma.  It took time to put yellow pants on Mickey Mouse and rename him Rickey Mouse, but there you have it.  Personally, I would have put in some John Wayne clips instead of the "cell as a  city." Hell Fighters would have been good.

You might say, "That makes no sense at all!"  And I would reply, "Your point?"

I offered kevin some top advice:

http://kevinwrites.typepad.com/otherwi....0120990

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imagine that all the film has already been printed by now? Must be expensive to re-edit and re-print it. Still, you can fill the empty bit where the cell animation was with more goose-stepping nazis. It'll probably sync up to the voice-over okay.


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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,00:16   

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So they'll probably go ahead with the movie and then attempt to tough it out in court.


That will be fun. More subpoenas, discovery, deposition, and cross-examination. I don't think they'll think it is much fun on the other side, though.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,00:20   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ April 10 2008,00:16)
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So they'll probably go ahead with the movie and then attempt to tough it out in court.


That will be fun. More subpoenas, discovery, deposition, and cross-examination. I don't think they'll think it is much fun on the other side, though.

The DI will be advising them to settle...

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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snoeman



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,00:30   

Quote (ERV @ April 09 2008,21:44)
I RESURRECTED FTK!!! WHOOOOOOO!

<--ERV, biggest bitch in the biosphere, 1st runner up biggest bitch in the solar system

That's post of the week.

Sadly, FtK will be wondering, "Huh, I wonder who the biggest bitch in the solar system is?"

  
godsilove



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,01:08   

How did ERV get a hold of XVIVO's cease-and-desist letter?

   
bfish



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,01:26   

Hmmm.

Is it just me, or has the DT post with the Youtube videos from Expelled been expelled? I no see it on the web page. Was it before or after Gil's Ode to Berlinksi? 'Cause that's what's at the top of the page right now.

Edited to add: It was just me and my durned computer. The post is still there, and I think never left. There are 20 more comments than were there last night. My bad.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,01:47   

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OK, the spelling errors were mine, and didn't get caught at the XVIVO office when they copied the letter from my draft onto their stationery. So who's perfect? From what I know of the movie business, and what the XVIVO people told me, it would cost the Expelled producers a mint (at least $100K) to recall and remaster all copies before they go to theaters. So they have to choose a) between that cost, b) delaying the film's release, and c) keeping the segment in and risking a lawsuit. XVIVO does have a really good copyright lawyer from a big firm in Boston, so it's not just an idle threat.

Posted by: peter irons | April 9, 2008 9:23 PM | kill


http://scienceblogs.com/pharyng....-828190

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,01:52   

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The Seed science blogger John M. Lynch (of "Stranger Fruit") has reported receiving an email (to himself and several others) stating that the screening he was to attend had been moved one hour earlier.[124] He later received an email (to himself and five others)[125] stating that the RSVP screening he was set to attend had been canceled. One of the other individuals to receive this email phoned the theater, which revealed that the screening was set to go ahead anyway.[125] He attended, and found that his name was no longer on the guest list, but after some negotiation (presenting his confirmation email and stating he was not representing any organization) he was allowed to view the movie. Lynch proposes a guest pre-screening process was set up in response to the Myers and Dawkins incident, and uses this as evidence.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expelled:_No_Intelligence_Allowed

Kevin, producing a misleading movie, lying to your interviewees, stealing XVIVO's work, and then lying to John Lynch about it...Kevin, when you do these things, it makes the baby Jesus cry.

(But it makes us laugh, so please keep it up!)

Edited by stevestory on April 10 2008,02:59

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,02:21   

You've gotta wonder about the dimwits who paid for this turkey.

"Hi, I'm here to get some funding from you. I wanna make a documentary about the revolutionary science of Intelligent Design."
"Ooo, scientific revolution, huh? Sounds neat. What kind of experiments do ID scientists do?"
"Experiments? They don't do any."
"So they're all theorists I guess. What's their theory?"
"Their guy Phil Johnson says they don't really have one yet."
"No theory...no experiments...Well then what do they publish in their journal?"
"Nothing. It went defunct three years ago."
"Sounds great! Here's $3.5 million!"

   
godsilove



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,02:22   

Quote (stevestory @ April 10 2008,01:52)
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The Seed science blogger John M. Lynch (of "Stranger Fruit") has reported receiving an email (to himself and several others) stating that the screening he was to attend had been moved one hour earlier.[124] He later received an email (to himself and five others)[125] stating that the RSVP screening he was set to attend had been canceled. One of the other individuals to receive this email phoned the theater, which revealed that the screening was set to go ahead anyway.[125] He attended, and found that his name was no longer on the guest list, but after some negotiation (presenting his confirmation email and stating he was not representing any organization) he was allowed to view the movie. Lynch proposes a guest pre-screening process was set up in response to the Myers and Dawkins incident, and uses this as evidence.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expelled:_No_Intelligence_Allowed

Kevin, producing a misleading movie, lying to your interviewees, stealing XVIVO's work, and then lying to John Lynch about it...Kevin, when you do these things, it makes the baby Jesus cry.

(But it makes us laugh, so please keep it up!)

To be fair, Kevin isn't responsible for all those things.  He's just the screenwriter.

   
bystander



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,02:33   

I'm reading all of the reviews in the Sciam site. Some choice quotes:

"The movie's one-sided version is either the result of shoddy investigation or deliberate propagandizing—neither of which reflects well on the other information in the film."

This is discussing the section on Sternberg. Well Kevin which one is it?

Sciam Article Link

  
uriel



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,02:34   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ April 09 2008,16:33)
The only problem being that I've heard that Mike Nelson is pretty firmly an antievolutionist. It was gossip when I heard it, so I'd appreciate being corrected on that.

Well, no. As far as Mike Nelson goes, that's one problem.

The other is that Mike is to Joel, as BJ was to Trapper John: on the one hand less funny and original, and on the other more stilted and uninteresting.

In both cases, the replacement serves little more purpose than to inspire a sense of nostalgia in the viewer for either show's halcyon days, when it was incapacitatingly hilarious- rather than merely amusing from time to time. Often times, seemingly, by accident.

And all of this is totally verifiable to the power of one in 10^ one quadrizilloin bajillionth- which means that  "Joel is better than Mike" is so obviously designed it makes cascading clots and flagilial bactrilliums seem completely random. This is EF filter^2 kind of obvious.

Which is to say, yes, I have inordinately strong views on this particular issue. And- again- yes,I'll admit its more than a bit pathetic.

C'est la vie, as the Quebecois are wont to say.

And as far as this goes:    
Quote (dheddle @ April 09 2008,15:40)
There was one where a character in the 50's B scifi movie said "it's destiny" and one of the MST crew--I think  it was the bubble gum machine robot said: "He's a Calvinist!"


That's just the best thing I've read all day.

Bet it was Joel, wasn't it? 'Course it was. Stupid f-ing Mike.

By the way, did I mention I have strong views on the Joel vs. Mike issue?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,08:14   

Quote (Doc Bill @ April 09 2008,23:21)
"Bill" is your very own Doc Bill, joke writer for dheddle.

(Who doesn't pay very much, I might add.)

Erm- doesn't pay his Bills?

*ba-dum-BUMP*

Thank you, thank you, I'm here all week folks. Don't forget to tip your waitress.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,08:36   

Quote (stevestory @ April 10 2008,02:21)
You've gotta wonder about the dimwits who paid for this turkey.

"Hi, I'm here to get some funding from you. I wanna make a documentary about the revolutionary science of Intelligent Design."
"Ooo, scientific revolution, huh? Sounds neat. What kind of experiments do ID scientists do?"
"Experiments? They don't do any."
"So they're all theorists I guess. What's their theory?"
"Their guy Phil Johnson says they don't really have one yet."
"No theory...no experiments...Well then what do they publish in their journal?"
"Nothing. It went defunct three years ago."
"Sounds great! Here's $3.5 million!"

How much of the film actually talks about Intelligent Design? I think it's more like "We want to make a film that depicts evolutionists as crypto-Nazis."
"Awesome!"

  
Amadan



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,08:42   

Though I am a bit out of practice at that lawyer stuff, I  enjoy excellent digestion, and therefore have expert insight into the biological issues covered in Excreted – No Feculence Allowed.  I am moved by my sense of public service to suggest the following scientifically supported arguments in support of the film’s producers:

1.  XVIVO’s claim rests  - and fails  - on the assumption that the similarity of the clips could not have arisen by chance – in other words, that a so-called “Indelible Refiner” must have adapted the XVIVO clip in a way that left his inky fingerprints all over the place. In rebuttal, the producers maintain that the Excreted clip is by no means “refined”, and could have arisen by combination of (a) chance arrangement of pixels and (b) selection for fitness to include in their film. Given the standard of fitness required, this is perfectly possible.

2. XVIVO’s claim is premised on the pseudo-legalistic notion of “Irrefutable Complicity”. This is a post hoc argument to the effect that, because the two video clips are so clearly similar, taking away even one element of that similarity would destroy the frame-for-frame symmetry, and so undermine the derivative nature of the one in Excreted.  This is clearly false, as the Excreted clip retains its derivative nature even when (poorly) edited.

3. XVIVO seeks to make use of an “Exclamatory Guilter”, in other words, asserting that the producers must be in the wrong just because XVIVO says so. Basic justice, however, demands that the producers receive a fair hearing in a debate before a jury of their fellow believers.

4. The theory of Copyright is incomplete. Though it is supported unquestioningly by courts and followed slavishly in “peer-reviewed” articles by ivory-tower academics, it has never been observed in the laboratory, and has no identifiable source or agency in nature. What part of a cell does XVIVO suggest controls  ‘fair use’? Are giraffes supposed to register the pattern of spots on their necks in order to assert their identities? Copyrightism is at best a hypothesis, certainly not a “theory”, let alone a “law”.

5. Copyrightism fails to account for a huge variety of widely observed legal phenomena, such as food-labeling regulations, Section 21 of the Miscellaneous Provisions of the Florida Constitution,  pygmies, dwarves, or stuff like that.

6. Legal scholars and lawyers who present alternatives to “orthodox” Copyrightism are excluded from prestigious publications and are subjected to the humiliating experience of being “laughed out of court”. Further, those supporting Copyrightism openly base their arguments on textbooks and journals that all display the © Copyright symbol – a plain case of circular logic.

7. XVIVO claims that the producers are “bound” by the provisions of so-called “laws” (see # 4 above) of Copyright, and should be “punished”. However, the practices of “binding” and “punishing” are notoriously part of deviant sexual behavior that are not and should not be countenanced by the courts of a Christian nation. For the avoidance of any doubt, the producers unreservedly condemn such practices and have never, ever, ever been caught practising them.

Further advice available at reasonably competitive rates.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,08:58   

What color is a copyright?  How much does it weigh?  Do they ever die?  Do they shit?

I didn't think so.  We effetely deny your crude copyrightism.

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Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,09:32   

Amadan, Esq:

I do have a question for you sir.

How do you Copyrightists explain William Dembski's semen-all work involving NFC?  (No Free Copyrights.)

Thanks,

Yours In Copyright,

J-Dog

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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2008,10:17   

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So they'll probably go ahead with the movie and then attempt to tough it out in court.


That will be fun. More subpoenas, discovery, deposition, and cross-examination. I don't think they'll think it is much fun on the other side, though.

I'm wondering if the theater owners don't face equal liability, having been put on notice.

By the way, there's at least one surviving typo in the pdf version of  the letter. Millennium spelled millenium.

Letter

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