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JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 09 2009,13:03    Quote (Louis @ June 09 2009,10:30) (d) lives in Windsor, relatively round the corner from where I live. I can has design inference. Not only is Louis FTK, he's also Prince Philip. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 09 2009,13:07    Quote (JohnW @ June 09 2009,19:03) Quote (Louis @ June 09 2009,10:30) (d) lives in Windsor, relatively round the corner from where I live. I can has design inference. Not only is Louis FTK, he's also Prince Philip. LOL Prince Philip? I aspire to achieve those levels of "Diplomacy"... Louis -------------- Bye.

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 09 2009,13:19    Quote (Louis @ June 09 2009,21:07)       Quote (JohnW @ June 09 2009,19:03)       Quote (Louis @ June 09 2009,10:30) (d) lives in Windsor, relatively round the corner from where I live. I can has design inference. Not only is Louis FTK, he's also Prince Philip. LOL Prince Philip? I aspire to achieve those levels of "Diplomacy"... Louis Oh well we have something in common ...commoner. Quick to the Regal Jalopy your consortness I'm going to see that stallion o' mine beat the pants off that Irish mare ....no hurry, let me finish this crossword ....what's a circle that turns into itself? 19 across. Ahem, a "tortailergy" migh deer Philip, now be a good boy and fetch migh slippers. Fetch them yourself you old bat. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: June 09 2009,14:06    Quote (J-Dog @ June 09 2009,10:52) I have all new respect for the phrase "down under", and of course wonder why Wilkens would waste any time at all posting anywhere, when he could NOT be posting, but doing other things, if you know what I mean.  And I think you do. Well, I think there is good reason that Wilkins used that gorilla for an icon which seriously limits the reasons not to post. I on the other hand am merely old and badly maintained- rather like my truck. Edited by Dr.GH on June 09 2009,12:08 -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 09 2009,14:44    Quote (Dr.GH @ June 09 2009,20:06) Quote (J-Dog @ June 09 2009,10:52) I have all new respect for the phrase "down under", and of course wonder why Wilkens would waste any time at all posting anywhere, when he could NOT be posting, but doing other things, if you know what I mean.  And I think you do. Well, I think there is good reason that Wilkins used that gorilla for an icon which seriously limits the reasons not to post. I on the other hand am merely old and badly maintained- rather like my truck. Demographically, when broken down by age and sex, we AtBCers, and old TOers like Le Wilkins, are an interesting bunch. And there is no one more broken down by age and sex than the average AtBCer. Louis -------------- Bye.

Quack Posts: 1961 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 09 2009,16:10    Quote And there is no one more broken down by age and sex than the average AtBCer. I may not fit the description but nevertheless... -------------- Rocks have no biology.               Robert Byers.

khan Posts: 1554 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 09 2009,16:12    Quote (Louis @ June 09 2009,15:44) Quote (Dr.GH @ June 09 2009,20:06) Quote (J-Dog @ June 09 2009,10:52) I have all new respect for the phrase "down under", and of course wonder why Wilkens would waste any time at all posting anywhere, when he could NOT be posting, but doing other things, if you know what I mean.  And I think you do. Well, I think there is good reason that Wilkins used that gorilla for an icon which seriously limits the reasons not to post. I on the other hand am merely old and badly maintained- rather like my truck. Demographically, when broken down by age and sex, we AtBCers, and old TOers like Le Wilkins, are an interesting bunch. And there is no one more broken down by age and sex than the average AtBCer. Louis Broken down by age and sex and life in general. -------------- "It's as if all those words, in their hurry to escape from the loony, have fallen over each other, forming scrambled heaps of meaninglessness." -damitall That's so fucking stupid it merits a wing in the museum of stupid. -midwifetoad Frequency is just the plural of wavelength... -JoeG

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 09 2009,18:17    Quote (Quack @ June 09 2009,22:10) Quote And there is no one more broken down by age and sex than the average AtBCer. I may not fit the description but nevertheless... ...you're willing to try? Louis -------------- Bye.

Doc Bill Posts: 1039 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 09 2009,18:30    I haven't been broken down since I bought a Lexus.

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 09 2009,18:49    Quote (Doc Bill @ June 10 2009,00:30) I haven't been broken down since I bought a Lexus. Good point, well made. We are moving into the "I thought Wang King was a town in China until I discovered Smirnoff"** territory*. It will be followed by "Jesus Saves......but the Prudential is better"** and then all hell will break loose. Dogs and cats, living together, mass hysteria. Frankly I want no part of such debauchery. Good day sir! I said GOOD DAY! Louis *Incidentally, I did think Muffin the Mule** was a sex offence until I discovered Smirnoff. Does that make me a bad person? **These may be relatively UKcentric references. Tough. Look them up, Septics. ;-) -------------- Bye.

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: June 09 2009,19:27    Quote (Doc Bill @ June 09 2009,16:30) I haven't been broken down since I bought a Lexus. As they say, It is not the years, it is the milage. And I would add, "the off-road milage."  My truck is a 1985 Toyota with 116,000 original miles. Since I rarely do field work anymore, it will probably rust apart before it wears apart. I, however, just returned from the dentist $1,100 US poorer, and that is only 1/2 down. Edited by Dr.GH on June 09 2009,17:29 -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 09 2009,21:39    Quote (Dr.GH @ June 09 2009,19:27) I, however, just returned from the dentist $1,100 US poorer, and that is only 1/2 down. Too bad you didn't play more Rugby when you were younger... -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: June 09 2009,22:12    Quote (J-Dog @ June 09 2009,19:39)   Quote (Dr.GH @ June 09 2009,19:27) I, however, just returned from the dentist $1,100 US poorer, and that is only 1/2 down. Too bad you didn't play more Rugby when you were younger... Or hockey. They cannot fix what you do not have. ETA: Yiiiikes my urologist/proctologist might be next to cash out!!!11!!1 None of the men in my descent crew ever lived this long. I am in uncharted territory. Edited by Dr.GH on June 09 2009,20:17 -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

sledgehammer Posts: 533 Joined: Sep. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: June 09 2009,22:44    Quote (Dr.GH @ June 09 2009,17:27)   Quote (Doc Bill @ June 09 2009,16:30) I haven't been broken down since I bought a Lexus. As they say, It is not the years, it is the milage. And I would add, "the off-road milage."  My truck is a 1985 Toyota with 116,000 original miles. Since I rarely do field work anymore, it will probably rust apart before it wears apart. I, however, just returned from the dentist $1,100 US poorer, and that is only 1/2 down. I hear ya. I put 250K+ miles on my '79 Toyota SR5 pickup before I "donated" it to my brother-in-law (a charity case if there ever was one). I figure I got my money's worth from it. It's still running.  That 20R 4-banger was indestructible.  It's heritage was the Toyota HiLux pickup, the dominant truck in Africa during the 60's. Now I gots me a brand new V8 Sequioa, and it cost a lot less than my dental implants! -------------- The majority of the stupid is invincible and guaranteed for all time. The terror of their tyranny is alleviated by their lack of consistency. -A. Einstein  (H/T, JAD) If evolution is true, you could not know that it's true because your brain is nothing but chemicals. ?Think about that. -K. Hovind

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2009,09:45    Dr. Wilkins, I recall that you mentioned on TO that the pharse, "Social Darwinism" was coined after the Second World War by a historian. Is my recollection correct, and do you recall a citation? -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

jswilkins Posts: 50 Joined: June 2009 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2009,09:53    The phrase was coined by the only actual social Darwinian, W. Graham Sumner, in the 1870s, I think. There was a book by Richard Hofstadter which developed the claim that it was the basis for modern capitalism, and that Spencer was a social Darwinian. That was roundly debunked by Bannister, but the message hasn't got through yet. Bannister, Robert C. 1988. Social Darwinism: science and myth in Anglo-American social thought, American civilization. Philadelphia: Temple University Press. Original edition, 1979. Hofstadter, Richard. 1944. Social Darwinism in American thought. Boston: Beacon Press. Sumner, William Graham. 1963. Social Darwinism; selected essays. With an introd. by Stow Parsons. Englewood Cliffs, N.J.,: Prentice-Hall. -------------- Boldly staying where no man has stayed before.

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2009,10:14    Thank you very much. I am off to Amazon.com. ETA; Whew, I made it back. I just escaped going over a $100- those screens with "Customers who bought ***** also bought ****" just kill me every time. I guess that is why they wrote them, neh? Edited by Dr.GH on June 10 2009,08:40 -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2009,13:46    Quote The phrase was coined by the only actual social Darwinian, Oi!  are you saying we're anti-social, eh? Bloody Aussies.  No wonder we chucked 'em out. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

darwinoid Posts: 12 Joined: Jan. 2003 (Permalink) Posted: June 13 2009,20:05    J-Dog told me to come here. But I've been here all along. -------------- john m. lynch http://blog.jmlynch.org/....nch.org http://www.public.asu.edu/~jmlync....jmlynch

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 13 2009,21:34    Quote (darwinoid @ June 13 2009,20:05) J-Dog told me to come here. But I've been here all along. Dr. Lynch -   Welcome I mean damn, I'm wrong again.  Yeah, I should be used to it by now. You are like an original... but in disguise.  Good to see you here, and for those not in the know, Dr. Lynch's new blog   a simple prop is worth a daily read, and especially this one about our ID friends. The Roots Of ID Hopefully Amadan will stop by and spew some Gaelic at you to make you feel more at home. All I know is slainte! -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Timothy McDougald Posts: 1036 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 13 2009,21:50    Quote (darwinoid @ June 13 2009,20:05) J-Dog told me to come here. But I've been here all along. Bearing in mind that you have been here since 2003, Welcome! Edit to add: Inviting a member of AtBC to join AtBC, so easy a cave man can do it! -------------- Church burning ebola boy FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me. PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

deadman_932 Posts: 3094 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 13 2009,22:08    Quote (afarensis @ June 13 2009,21:50) Quote (darwinoid @ June 13 2009,20:05) J-Dog told me to come here. But I've been here all along. Bearing in mind that you have been here since 2003, Welcome! Edit to add: Inviting a member of AtBC to join AtBC, so easy a cave man can do it! :p I'd join, but I'd have to snub any site that would accept me and not Groucho. -------------- AtBC Award for Thoroughness in the Face of Creationism

darwinoid Posts: 12 Joined: Jan. 2003 (Permalink) Posted: June 13 2009,22:13    Quote (J-Dog @ June 13 2009,21:34) You are like an original... but in disguise. Strangely, I've heard that before. Quote (J-Dog @ June 13 2009,21:34) Hopefully Amadan will stop by and spew some Gaelic at you to make you feel more at home. Since that name means "fool" in Gaelic, I don't know whether to look forward or not. Edited by darwinoid on June 13 2009,22:16 -------------- john m. lynch http://blog.jmlynch.org/....nch.org http://www.public.asu.edu/~jmlync....jmlynch

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: June 13 2009,22:58    So I got mail; Bannister, Robert C. 1988. Social Darwinism: science and myth in Anglo-American social thought, American civilization. Philadelphia: Temple University Press. Original edition, 1979. Hofstadter, Richard. 1944. Social Darwinism in American thought. Boston: Beacon Press. I also bought a PB of Hofstader's "Anti-Intellectualism in American Life" for $12. Bannister has edited a volume of Sumner's 'essential texts' which I migh buy if needed. -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: June 13 2009,23:01    Quote (deadman_932 @ June 13 2009,20:08) Quote (afarensis @ June 13 2009,21:50) Quote (darwinoid @ June 13 2009,20:05) J-Dog told me to come here. But I've been here all along. Bearing in mind that you have been here since 2003, Welcome! Edit to add: Inviting a member of AtBC to join AtBC, so easy a cave man can do it! :p I'd join, but I'd have to snub any site that would accept me and not Groucho. I have a tee-shirt with the slogan "Sure I'm a Marxist" with a photo of Groucho. One of his daughters lives in town, and saw the shirt. She wasn't pleased. -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

jswilkins Posts: 50 Joined: June 2009 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2009,02:14    The joys of buying books in the US. If I did that here, I'd be waiting (and currently am) for up to eight weeks. -------------- Boldly staying where no man has stayed before.

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2009,11:44    Quote (jswilkins @ June 14 2009,00:14) The joys of buying books in the US. If I did that here, I'd be waiting (and currently am) for up to eight weeks. For a fixed annual fee, I get all my Amazon orders on two day shipping. Now, If I could only read fast enough to keep up. I have enjoyed the Bannnister book so far. Thanks again. -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

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