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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,09:40   

Given how long they went Wah Wah Judge Jones, they'll be whining about Baylor for the rest of the year.

   
k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,09:58   

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That sweater was the gear he was wearing June 17th, 2001, for the dust-up at Haverford College in the "Interpreting Evolution" conference held there.

My picture of him does seem to make the rounds.

What was he thinking?

"I have nothing to declare sir but my hopeless dress sense" doesn't exactly have a Wildean noteriety about it does it.

I'm no expert on Oscar Wilde, but dear old Oscar would not have liked that sweater.

Yes ..and your point?

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The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

   
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,10:40   

Uncommon Descent posting trend:

Brag about upcoming "X"
Wah Wah Wah "X"
Brag about upcoming "Y"
Wah Wah Wah "Y"
Brag about upcoming "Z"
Wah Wah Wah "Z"

They can spot design, but not trends and patterns.

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
Occam's Toothbrush



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,11:37   

Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 12 2007,10:40)
Given how long they went Wah Wah Judge Jones, they'll be whining about Baylor for the rest of the year.

Anything to slow down the prodigious scientific output of the ID crowd.  If we don't distract them with stuff like this they'll have proved the existence of god by the end of 2007 and we'll all have to start going to church.  I'm not giving up my Sunday mornings!

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,11:43   

Quote (Occam's Toothbrush @ Sep. 12 2007,11:37)
Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 12 2007,10:40)
Given how long they went Wah Wah Judge Jones, they'll be whining about Baylor for the rest of the year.

Anything to slow down the prodigious scientific output of the ID crowd.  If we don't distract them with stuff like this they'll have proved the existence of god by the end of 2007 and we'll all have to start going to church.  I'm not giving up my Sunday mornings!

And what if we pick the wrong religion? Each week, we'll just be making God madder and madder!

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,13:11   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 12 2007,11:43)
Quote (Occam's Toothbrush @ Sep. 12 2007,11:37)
Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 12 2007,10:40)
Given how long they went Wah Wah Judge Jones, they'll be whining about Baylor for the rest of the year.

Anything to slow down the prodigious scientific output of the ID crowd.  If we don't distract them with stuff like this they'll have proved the existence of god by the end of 2007 and we'll all have to start going to church.  I'm not giving up my Sunday mornings!

And what if we pick the wrong religion? Each week, we'll just be making God madder and madder!

Yeah, and that God is one muther-f&ing bad-ass dude when he gets pissed offf...

Fortuantely, he spoke to me in a vision, and all we have to do to placate his demands is sacrifice just one IDolater a week.  Or was that one a day?

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,14:39   

Whoa - budget look UD:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,15:00   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 12 2007,14:39)
Whoa - budget look UD:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/

Richard - Maybe that last check from the DI failed to clear, and the extra-special expensive, yet cheesy BAC Flag graphic had to go.

I am sure ID predicted that.

Don't worry - the rubes can be counted on to chip in more of their hard-earned dollars for Christ The Designer to keep the ID science rolling on.

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,15:07   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 12 2007,10:40)
Uncommon Descent posting trend:

Brag about upcoming "X"
Wah Wah Wah "X"
Brag about upcoming "Y"
Wah Wah Wah "Y"
Brag about upcoming "Z"
Wah Wah Wah "Z"

They can spot design, but not trends and patterns.

But science is in a sense all about spotting patterns.

Where does that leave them? :p

  
Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,15:07   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 12 2007,14:39)
Whoa - budget look UD:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/

Interesting new look for UD; I'll miss the ol' bac flag, or black fag, or black flag, or whatever that thing was.

More interestingly, the new format does not seem to include information about the author of an opening post. We'll have to use the nixplanatory filter to find out if the author of a given piece of tripe was Dr. Dr. D., Grandma Tard, DT, or super-undercover grad student Sal.

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Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind
Has been obligated from the beginning
To create an ordered universe
As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.
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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,15:19   

Richard et al - I just noticed that the cheap new UD "style" does not call-out the post author - WTF?!   So how will we know who to thank for future tarderiffic posts?  

For those of us, that are NOT working in the Secret ID Labs, and are NOT in on the secret ID handshake (and be sure to wash your hands after that ... I put together this hand-dandy cheat-sheet to help tell the main UD posters apart that might be useful:

Obtuse, obnoxious and petulant:  Dr. Dr. Dembski hisself

Obnoxious, smarmy, with computer jargon: DaveScot

Oblivious, non-sensical, with awful writing:  Denyse

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,16:02   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 12 2007,14:39)
Whoa - budget look UD:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/

Whoa, again. UD is back to normal, we can see that flag and the authors of the opening posts.

I think that they were just messing with our minds.  Or else they will accuse Wesley of misdirecting their electrons again.

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Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind
Has been obligated from the beginning
To create an ordered universe
As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.
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Altabin



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,19:28   

Quote (J-Dog @ Sep. 12 2007,22:19)
For those of us, that are NOT working in the Secret ID Labs, and are NOT in on the secret ID handshake (and be sure to wash your hands after that ... I put together this hand-dandy cheat-sheet to help tell the main UD posters apart that might be useful:

Obtuse, obnoxious and petulant:  Dr. Dr. Dembski hisself

Obnoxious, smarmy, with computer jargon: DaveScot

Oblivious, non-sensical, with awful writing:  Denyse

You forgot:

Smooth 'n' fruity:



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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,19:43   

How Rude:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-136980

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Rude

09/12/2007

6:47 pm
Think I have to agree with Joseph. Were I entering such a debate as a committed materialist, utterly uninterested in the truth–in fact not even believing there is such a thing–I’d hold out with, “Except you show me the Deity in supernatural, miraculous action (I’d still obfuscate on this point and deny any connection between biological design and the human capacity for the same), I’m not impressed with your religious claim. Meanwhile I’d bask in the travel and noteriety, the banquets and stipends: Eat, drink, and be merry for tomorrow we die.

But then convincing the committed insincere may not be the point. Letting the uncommitted confused see some logic contrasted with puffery is reason enough to engage.


That's right rude, we're the ones getting paid for legal advice and selling books rather than writing papers..

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,20:11   

An interesting bit of projection by Rude, but I see where he has got his wires crossed

Letting the uncommitted confused see some logic puffery contrasted with puffery logic is reason enough to engage.

Is there ayone there who isn't a complete moron?

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The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,20:21   

Quote (k.e @ Sep. 12 2007,21:11)
Is there ayone there who isn't a complete moron?

There are two kinds of homeless people. The majority are people who are homeless for a matter of days or weeks and act with haste to remedy the situation. A small minority are chronically homeless, often as a result of behavioral or mental health problems. (The latter are on ample display here in Chapel Hill)

I imagine much the same is true of ID. There's probably a lot of young religious sciencey types who give it a spin and grow out of it as they become more familiar with real science. And then there's a little core of wackos who are chronic ID supporters, and there's pretty much nothing you can do for them.

   
khan



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,20:57   

Innerbling

09/12/2007

5:42 pm

Every case ID-proponents provide translates to atheists as a attempt to proof the existence of God. It’s truly sad for scientific progress when religion and science gets mixed.

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That's so fucking stupid it merits a wing in the museum of stupid. -midwifetoad

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GCT



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,21:13   

Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 12 2007,21:21)
Quote (k.e @ Sep. 12 2007,21:11)
Is there ayone there who isn't a complete moron?

There are two kinds of homeless people. The majority are people who are homeless for a matter of days or weeks and act with haste to remedy the situation. A small minority are chronically homeless, often as a result of behavioral or mental health problems. (The latter are on ample display here in Chapel Hill)

I imagine much the same is true of ID. There's probably a lot of young religious sciencey types who give it a spin and grow out of it as they become more familiar with real science. And then there's a little core of wackos who are chronic ID supporters, and there's pretty much nothing you can do for them.

And there's 11 types of people in the world: people who understand binary and people who don't.

(Joke fusion...it's almost as cool as violating SLoT with my keyboard!)

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,21:17   

Should that be 10?

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,22:21   

Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 12 2007,21:17)
Should that be 10?

GCT is apparently in the group who doesn't.

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Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,22:24   

Re "Is there ayone there who isn't a complete moron?"

What would an incomplete moron look like?

Henry

  
clamboy



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,22:25   

Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 12 2007,21:17)
Should that be 10?

GCT is of the second type, it would seem.

edit: Beaten to the punch!

  
clamboy



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2007,22:27   

Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 12 2007,22:24)
Re "Is there ayone there who isn't a complete moron?"

What would an incomplete moron look like?

Henry

Francis Collins?

  
djmullen



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,02:36   

TARD FIGHT!  Who's got tickets to England?

From the hallowed halls of UD:      
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Mary Midgley to debate ID in the UK, October 3rd, Kings College, London
The odd thing is that, thick as she is, even Mary Midgley realizes that ID is creationism.  However, she also hates Richard Dawkins, so I guess that's why Paul Nelson is pimping her.  

Midgley is a longtime lecturer in Philosophy at Newcastle upon Tard, where she has been a constant source of embarassment to that University, although not as big an irritant as Dembski has been to poor Baylor.  (For instance, to the best of my knowledge, nobody has ever been fired for hiring her.)  She hit the absolute peak of her career in 1979 when she published an attack on Richard Dawkin's "Selfish Gene" entitled "Gene-Juggling" which opened with this deathless paragraph:
           
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Genes cannot be selfish or unselfish, any more than atoms can be jealous, elephants abstract or biscuits teleological. This should not need mentioning, but Richard Dawkins’s book The Selfish Gene has succeeded in confusing a number of people about it, including Mr J. L. Mackie.


As it turned out, the person most confused by Dawkins was one Mary Midgley.  After slogging through most of a long paragraph of pure Tard, we find that she believes that      
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...he resorts to arguing from speculations about the emotional nature of genes, which he treats as the source and archetype of all emotional nature.

Yes, she actually thought that Dawkins was arguing that genes have emotions!  She thus won the right to moderate Uncommon Descent over twenty years before UD was born, and the non-Tard portion of the philosophical world has spent the last twenty eight years trying not to laugh out loud.

With an intellect like that, it's a natural that the Dawkins hating ID world would latch onto her and not surprising that Nelson would be promoting her, but ID is so far off the rails that even Midgley can see through it and "...suggests that it does not have a place in the Science curriculum but may have a home in the Religious Education." (Ouch!)

Nelson may be attracted to this, however:        
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She also discusses the work of prominent advocates of natural selection and suggests that, although natural selection is, in essentials, a scientific research programme, it has accreted metaphysical doctrines through the interpretation of some commentators such as Richard Dawkins and is, therefore, not entirely unproblematic as a candidate for the Science curriculum. Some of the claims of the supporters of versions of natural selection, she holds, might more properly belong in the Religious Education curriculum alongside Creationism and Intelligent Design.
Translation: Dawkins feels that evolution answers one of the Great Questions that Religion claims to answer, namely where did we come from, so to Midgley natural selection is a religious idea!  
Midgley        
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...also believes that she is "lucky" to have missed out in having to undertake a PhD. She argues that one of the main flaws in doctoral training is that, while it "shows you how to deal with difficult arguments", it does not "help you to grasp the big questions that provide its context - the background issues out of which the small problems arose"

Link  Well, fair's fair and Dr. Dr. William A. Dempski has certainly proven that a PhD or even multiple PhDs are no guarantee of clear thinking, but I must say that Midgley's grasp of the bigger questions leaves a lot to be desired.

TravelZoo is advertising round trip airfare to London and 6 nights lodging for only $499.  If my passport renewal wasn't stuck in the crapstorm caused by requiring passports to enter Canada and Mexico, I'd be really tempted to witness this debate.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,02:57   

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one of the primary reasons why you don’t find rabbits in the cambrian or precambrian is that a rabbit would auto-date the layer as being later.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,05:45   

Hallelujah!  Global Warming is a myth!

This is basically a press release from the Hudson Institute, which was formed in 1961 by former members of the Rand Corporation.  The Source Watch article contains a list (from 2002) of its major funders. Many seem to be in the agricultural industry, but also includes ExxonMobil.

The press release notes that the book was funded by an individual, Wallace O. Sellers, without any corporate sponsors. One has to wonder if this is the same Wallace O. Sellers that sat, in recent years, on the board of directors of Natural Gas Services Group, which "manufactures, fabricates, sells, leases and services natural gas compressors that enhance the production of oil and gas wells."

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,06:07   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Sep. 13 2007,05:45)
Hallelujah!  Global Warming is a myth!

This is basically a press release from the Hudson Institute, which was formed in 1961 by former members of the Rand Corporation.  The Source Watch article contains a list (from 2002) of its major funders. Many seem to be in the agricultural industry, but also includes ExxonMobil.

The press release notes that the book was funded by an individual, Wallace O. Sellers, without any corporate sponsors. One has to wonder if this is the same Wallace O. Sellers that sat, in recent years, on the board of directors of Natural Gas Services Group, which "manufactures, fabricates, sells, leases and services natural gas compressors that enhance the production of oil and gas wells."

Ironic really. There's less to ID then initially meets the eye, but they champion causes that really deserve looking into in-depth with a critical eye.

DaveScot has a severe case of argument from authority when it suits him, other times (like the overwhelming consensus regarding evolution) no matter how well factually supported something is it's rejected out of hand.

I bet the Hudson institute love the fact that IDiots like DS uncritically reproduce their "press releases". Without shills like DS their job reaching the credulous masses would be slightly harder.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
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simmi



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,09:20   

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OMITSDDI: I bet the Hudson institute love the fact that IDiots like DS uncritically reproduce their "press releases". Without shills like DS their job reaching the credulous masses would be slightly harder.


No one reads UD.  Doesn't take away from your larger point, though.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,09:24   

Looking at it with fresh eyes, I think GCT meant to say 11 types of people. It's part of the joke. I was tired last night and didn't get it.

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2007,09:27   

The fact that no one reads UD, and that UD only serves to humiliate Dembski every so often, we're worried that it will be shut down. I hope that doesn't happen. It's great entertainment, watching these dumbkofs pretend to do science.

   
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