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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2018,17:43   

UD hs been boring this past week. Arguing that genocide is ok if the Celestial Ruler commands it. Yawn.

   
Woodbine



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 10 2018,03:56   

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After he kneeled to give my Mom the flag, I couldn’t help but think of the NFL. I thought how shameful it was that the NFL has allowed players to continue to disrespect our anthem, flag, and nation by kneeling. And I also thought how doubly shameful it was that funerals of our vets, where flags are rightly presented to grieving family from a kneeling position, now call into contrast the dishonorable behavior of the NFL.

I now make a point of not only refusing to watch NFL games or highlights, but also changing the channel when anything involving the NFL is on TV.


Guess who.

Edited by Woodbine on Mar. 10 2018,09:56

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 10 2018,09:57   

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After he kneeled to give my Mom the flag, I couldn’t help but think of the NFL. I thought how shameful it was that the NFL has allowed players to continue to disrespect our anthem, flag, and nation by kneeling. And I also thought how doubly shameful it was that funerals of our vets, where flags are rightly presented to grieving family from a kneeling position, now call into contrast the dishonorable behavior of the NFL.

I now make a point of not only refusing to watch NFL games or highlights, but also changing the channel when anything involving the NFL is on TV.


Guess who.

Sounds like something Barry would say but there aren’t enough insults.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 10 2018,11:56   

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How did Neanderthal Man stop being so stupid?
March 9, 2018 Posted by News


At UD they have a personal stake in finding the answer to this question.  :D

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 10 2018,19:21   

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How did Neanderthal Man stop being so stupid?
March 9, 2018 Posted by News


At UD they have a personal stake in finding the answer to this question.  :D

To borrow from a famous philosopher, Stupid is as Stupid does.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 10 2018,23:03   

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Materialists and Puppies
March 10, 2018 Posted by Barry Arrington under Intelligent Design
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How is arguing with a materialist like housebreaking a puppy? Materialist arguments about ethics are the rhetorical equivalent of piles of steaming dog poo. And they drop those piles all over the place. Dealing with the aftermath is very unpleasant. But if you are going to make any progress, it is necessary to rub their […]


That Barry's a classy fellow, ain't he? And as insightful as he is dignified  :p

   
Glen Davidson



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2018,00:46   

Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 10 2018,23:03)
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Materialists and Puppies
March 10, 2018 Posted by Barry Arrington under Intelligent Design
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How is arguing with a materialist like housebreaking a puppy? Materialist arguments about ethics are the rhetorical equivalent of piles of steaming dog poo. And they drop those piles all over the place. Dealing with the aftermath is very unpleasant. But if you are going to make any progress, it is necessary to rub their […]


That Barry's a classy fellow, ain't he? And as insightful as he is dignified  :p

Ha ha ha ha, now it's gone.

Come on Barry, show your true self, a bully shoving puppies' noses into shit, wishing you could do the same to everyone who disagrees with you.  

It's still in the comments anyway, although I think the second paragraph was added later in the comment, yet a different second paragraph was in the post.

I love ID.  What other pseudoscience would put its main blog in the hands of a mean, demented bully like Barry?  

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2018,09:33   

No it's still there

   
Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2018,09:59   

I feel so misunderstood.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2018,10:03   

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I feel so misunderstood.

Then stop soiling the carpet.

  
Glen Davidson



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2018,10:56   

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No it's still there

Not still, again.

It was definitely gone from my computer.  I suppose it could have been some older version of UD, but I certainly didn't see anything that indicated it.  So I think it did disappear, although possibly it had something to do with UD glitches rather than having been withdrawn.  I Googled it around 11:00 PM PST , and it showed up on Google, but, when I clicked on the Google link to the post, it no longer existed.

Anyway, I like that it's there.  It's so Barry, revealing a sadistic bastard who uses shoving puppies' noses into shit as a great analogy with what he'd do to unbelievers.

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Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2018,11:34   

Sorry folks. ID will be a theology free zone from now on.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2018,12:05   

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Sorry folks. ID will be a theology free zone from now on.

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No more.  UD’s purpose is to serve the intelligent design community, and while there is a great deal of overlap between that community and various stripes of theists, they are not the same thing.  UD is not a platform for apologetics.  Therefore, henceforth, materialists’ whataboutism tactics designed to derail arguments similar to “what about the Canaanites?” AND apologies from theists who fall for the tactic will be discourage.  We hope warnings will be sufficient, but reserve the option of deleting comments and/or putting commenters in moderation if the warnings are ignored.

To the materialists who are disappointed this particular tactic for derailing arguments will no longer be available at UD, don’t worry.  We are sure you will find other ways to try to deflect from a reasoned examination of your views.

To the theists who are disappointed they will not be able to post apologies for God’s commands concerning Canaan, you too should not worry.  There is a time and place for apologetic concerning this matter.  UD is not the place.


Oh yeah, i totes believe UD's going to ditch the apologetics. You betcha.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2018,12:14   

It's gonna get awful quiet over there.

Actually, no, wait, they'll just pull a cdesign proponentsists move and say "The Designer (wink wink) obviously has granted us an eternal and unchanging moral code".

Remember I called it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2018,12:35   

Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 11 2018,12:05)
Quote (Bob O'H @ Mar. 11 2018,12:34)
Sorry folks. ID will be a theology free zone from now on.

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No more.  UD’s purpose is to serve the intelligent design community, and while there is a great deal of overlap between that community and various stripes of theists, they are not the same thing.  UD is not a platform for apologetics.  Therefore, henceforth, materialists’ whataboutism tactics designed to derail arguments similar to “what about the Canaanites?” AND apologies from theists who fall for the tactic will be discourage.  We hope warnings will be sufficient, but reserve the option of deleting comments and/or putting commenters in moderation if the warnings are ignored.

To the materialists who are disappointed this particular tactic for derailing arguments will no longer be available at UD, don’t worry.  We are sure you will find other ways to try to deflect from a reasoned examination of your views.

To the theists who are disappointed they will not be able to post apologies for God’s commands concerning Canaan, you too should not worry.  There is a time and place for apologetic concerning this matter.  UD is not the place.


Oh yeah, i totes believe UD's going to ditch the apologetics. You betcha.

The idea is simply to censor certain responses to apologetics.  Barry:

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The whole purpose of the policy is to avoid materialists’ attempts to derail discussions about whether morals are objective or not. *sigh*


IOW, objecting to their hypocrisy is out.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2018,13:28   

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“To the theists who are disappointed they will not be able to post apologies for God’s commands concerning Canaan, you too should not worry”

this is one theist that isn’t disappointed at all. I have felt a little uncomfortable having disscusions aobut biblical texts on an ID blog and engaged only when I saw the subject was allowed to be sniped on. It feeds into the false claim that ID is just creationism.


I know! What a kooky idea.

linky

   
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2018,13:29   

But what does moral objectivity (or lack thereof) have to do with the accuracy of scientific theories?

(Besides, the problem with objective morals is who gets to decide what those objective morals are. After all, if it's not me doing the deciding, then the decision might be wrong.)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2018,13:37   

You will respect Barry's Authoritah!

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2018,14:11   

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I’m going to have to side with Bob O’H on this one. How do we say “no more” to arguments against the veracity/sensibility of God commanding a massacre in the Bible, on the grounds that it has nothing to do with the arguments for/against ID, while in practically the same breath implying that Nazi death camps do have something to do with ID? ID claims to be a scientific, not religious, position, and I would have to say that the strong, scientific, evidence for ID and/or against neo-Darwinism (refer to the meat of Behe’s two books and Axe’s/Gauger’s most well-known works) is at the very least compatible with, if not actually suggestive of, creator(s) who don’t give rat’s ass whether we murder each other every day — and once in a blue moon by the millions — as long as the overall project of human progress is not seriously threatened.


Newbie is not respecting Barry's Authoritah!

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2018,14:34   

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CR if you have an argument to make in response to Barry’s, by all means make it. As the new UD policy indicates, UD is a forum for the discussion of science and philosophy, not your “gotcha” theological whataboutism.


linky

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2018,15:18   

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To comment a bit more: Suppose an ID skeptic asked me, “What about such-and-such God-mandated massacre in the Bible?” That strikes me as a reasonable question that deserves a very straightforward answer. If instead I replied, “That’s a logical fallacy; stop saying it,” then I would be entirely uninformative to someone who perhaps really does want to know how a Biblical massacre might be compatible with a pro-ID position.

My best attempt at a direct, honest, and hopefully informative answer to this person? To me, the overall evidence indicates pretty clearly that:

a) It is significantly possible that this story in the Bible did not occur. Or, if a big massacre did occur there-and-then, it is very possible that it was not commanded by our creator(s).

b) Our creator(s) probably don’t care about occasional massacres, not to mention equally bad (and much more frequent) natural disasters. All species on Earth suffer such things from time to time. C’est la vie — or in the case of highly intelligent humans, live and learn.

If my motivation was not scientific curiosity to know what actually happened, but rather a desire to promote the particular organized religion in which I was raised, then I would not be able to directly answer the Bible-massacre question, and might choose to resort to an uninformative deflection.
DarelRex is Anglin' for a Manglin'

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 12 2018,02:32   

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Materialists and Puppies
March 10, 2018 Posted by Barry Arrington under Intelligent Design
8 Comments

How is arguing with a materialist like housebreaking a puppy? Materialist arguments about ethics are the rhetorical equivalent of piles of steaming dog poo. And they drop those piles all over the place. Dealing with the aftermath is very unpleasant. But if you are going to make any progress, it is necessary to rub their […]


That Barry's a classy fellow, ain't he? And as insightful as he is dignified  :p

I’ve especially enjoyed reading this and Barry’s other posts and comments over the past few days, given that they all appear with the ID byline Spread the love
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 12 2018,03:36   

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But what does moral objectivity (or lack thereof) have to do with the accuracy of scientific theories?

(Besides, the problem with objective morals is who gets to decide what those objective morals are. After all, if it's not me doing the deciding, then the decision might be wrong.)

To be fair, if morality is objective, then all reasonable people should be able to work out what those morals are, so there would be a consensus.

Of course, if morals are objective, then every reasonable person would be able to describe these objective morals, and

FWIW, "the Holocaust was wrong" is not a statement of a moral principle. It's the logical consequence of the moral principle that killing lots of people is wrong.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 12 2018,08:05   

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???

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 12 2018,09:09   

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???

My initial reaction was that this was Sal, so I googled him, and found out he's fictional.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 12 2018,11:47   

That Kristen Ashley book is from 2011, but ID Sal Cordova shows up in The Encyclopedia of American Loons in 2010. Coincidence? Friend of the author?

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 12 2018,12:15   

From here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....Ou0T43A

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 12 2018,13:12   

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Internet troll crawled back into combox under another address and asked why he was shown the exit. The answer is “because you are an internet troll.”
Wonder what that was about.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 12 2018,13:18   

I was going to put this on the Bathroom Wall, but for now I'll put it here. If it doesn't belong, I'll kick it there.

those UD numbnuts who want abortion criminalized as murder may have an ally in the OK gubernatorial race soon.

   
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