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Texas Teach



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2015,21:18   

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Back in 2001, I told William Dembski that scientists are, at basis, pragmatists. I told him that if he could show that his notions could actually produce results consistently and reliably, none of the philosophical arguments would matter; scientists will adopt anything that works.

But somehow you have to show that what you have does work. Not that it is pretty words on a page that you are proud of, but that someone else looking to get a job done can pick it up and use it as a tool, and either be able to do something useful or do something useful faster as a result.

I'm not sure that there have been any practical applications of Dembski's stuff. In 2011, it was still the case that there were no fully worked-out non-trivial examples of his GCEA being applied, and only four attempts at any example at all with any math whatsoever.

Do you have any sense of whether Dembski thought his math was right?

Dembski's math for intelligence was not even right when he talks about intelligence. He also followed "complexity" from erroneous Darwin, thus, Dembski too will be put to shame.

He needs to support me and use my math...

Shh...the grown ups are talking.  Someone will show up to jiggle some keys for you presently.

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MrIntelligentDesign



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 07 2015,00:07   

Quote (N.Wells @ Nov. 06 2015,21:15)
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Nov. 06 2015,20:37)
My math for intelligence works since the calculation works in real life...

But you've shown that it doesn't.  You've shown that you can't even count to two until after you've decided whether the desired answer needs to be above or below 1.5.

It does and it will always do.

What are you talking about?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 07 2015,00:57   

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 07 2015,01:03   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Nov. 07 2015,04:36)
Quote (NoName @ Nov. 06 2015,11:25)
Here's a little follow-up, Edgar.
What would your notions have contributed to the scientific research into terraforming Mars, specifically, restoring the Martian atmosphere?
How would your notions have impacted past theorizing, past understanding of where the atmosphere went?
How would your notions have improved our understanding of where the atmosphere went?

Those are all current scientific questions.  We who have science are aware of this work, we understand it, at least in broad outline.  We are puzzled that you seem to feel this does not count as science simply because it as irrelevant to your absurdist notions about intelligence as those notions are to planetary science.

YOU ARE REALLY CRAZY!!!

The reason why we have science today because we use intelligence and not ToE in knowing Mars, or even LHC, etc...

You must be out of your mind!



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 07 2015,06:35   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Nov. 06 2015,21:36)
Quote (NoName @ Nov. 06 2015,11:25)
Here's a little follow-up, Edgar.
What would your notions have contributed to the scientific research into terraforming Mars, specifically, restoring the Martian atmosphere?
How would your notions have impacted past theorizing, past understanding of where the atmosphere went?
How would your notions have improved our understanding of where the atmosphere went?

Those are all current scientific questions.  We who have science are aware of this work, we understand it, at least in broad outline.  We are puzzled that you seem to feel this does not count as science simply because it as irrelevant to your absurdist notions about intelligence as those notions are to planetary science.

YOU ARE REALLY CRAZY!!!

The reason why we have science today because we use intelligence and not ToE in knowing Mars, or even LHC, etc...

You must be out of your mind!

And thus you falsify several of your own claims.
You have repeatedly insisted we cannot use a thing without knowing its definition.
Now you insist we have been using intelligence to develop science.
Yet you also insist that we have to use your 'new definition' and 'new understanding' of intelligence.  And that we have no science.

So, do we need to know the definition of a thing to use the thing?  You clearly want to have it both ways.
Do we have science and the results of science?  Manifestly we do, even you cannot bring yourself to deny that.  Yet you furiously insist that your opponents 'have no science'.  Despite that fact that you have no scientific supporters.  None.
You remain starkly unable to point out or even suggest a single change to science, scientific proceedings or undertakings that adoption of your 'new understanding' would lead to.

It's quite clear who the really crazy person on this thread is -- it's you.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 07 2015,06:53   



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 07 2015,08:17   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Nov. 06 2015,20:36)
Quote (NoName @ Nov. 06 2015,11:25)
Here's a little follow-up, Edgar.
What would your notions have contributed to the scientific research into terraforming Mars, specifically, restoring the Martian atmosphere?
How would your notions have impacted past theorizing, past understanding of where the atmosphere went?
How would your notions have improved our understanding of where the atmosphere went?

Those are all current scientific questions.  We who have science are aware of this work, we understand it, at least in broad outline.  We are puzzled that you seem to feel this does not count as science simply because it as irrelevant to your absurdist notions about intelligence as those notions are to planetary science.

YOU ARE REALLY CRAZY!!!

The reason why we have science today because we use intelligence and not ToE in knowing Mars, or even LHC, etc...

You must be out of your mind!

We use evolution in medicine you imbecile.

  
EmperorZelos



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 07 2015,10:46   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Nov. 07 2015,00:07)
 
Quote (N.Wells @ Nov. 06 2015,21:15)
 
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Nov. 06 2015,20:37)
My math for intelligence works since the calculation works in real life...

But you've shown that it doesn't.  You've shown that you can't even count to two until after you've decided whether the desired answer needs to be above or below 1.5.

It does and it will always do.

What are you talking about?

Oh you know how to do math eh? Well solve this!


Fairly standard in anything beyond highschool.

  
N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 07 2015,14:07   

Quote (EmperorZelos @ Nov. 07 2015,10:46)
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Nov. 07 2015,00:07)
 
Quote (N.Wells @ Nov. 06 2015,21:15)
   
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Nov. 06 2015,20:37)
My math for intelligence works since the calculation works in real life...

But you've shown that it doesn't.  You've shown that you can't even count to two until after you've decided whether the desired answer needs to be above or below 1.5.

It does and it will always do.

What are you talking about?

Oh you know how to do math eh? Well solve this!


Fairly standard in anything beyond highschool.

Well, I remember learning that the integration of e to the x can equal a function of U of N

Also that the integral of d(cabin)/cabin = log cabin (and if you add C it becomes a houseboat).

  
MrIntelligentDesign



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 07 2015,16:01   

Quote (EmperorZelos @ Nov. 07 2015,10:46)
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Nov. 07 2015,00:07)
 
Quote (N.Wells @ Nov. 06 2015,21:15)
   
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Nov. 06 2015,20:37)
My math for intelligence works since the calculation works in real life...

But you've shown that it doesn't.  You've shown that you can't even count to two until after you've decided whether the desired answer needs to be above or below 1.5.

It does and it will always do.

What are you talking about?

Oh you know how to do math eh? Well solve this!


Fairly standard in anything beyond highschool.

So, you have no replacement for my new and real universal intelligence and you are asking me to do Integral Calculus?? LOL!!

  
MrIntelligentDesign



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 07 2015,16:04   

Quote (EmperorZelos @ Nov. 07 2015,08:17)
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Nov. 06 2015,20:36)
Quote (NoName @ Nov. 06 2015,11:25)
Here's a little follow-up, Edgar.
What would your notions have contributed to the scientific research into terraforming Mars, specifically, restoring the Martian atmosphere?
How would your notions have impacted past theorizing, past understanding of where the atmosphere went?
How would your notions have improved our understanding of where the atmosphere went?

Those are all current scientific questions.  We who have science are aware of this work, we understand it, at least in broad outline.  We are puzzled that you seem to feel this does not count as science simply because it as irrelevant to your absurdist notions about intelligence as those notions are to planetary science.

YOU ARE REALLY CRAZY!!!

The reason why we have science today because we use intelligence and not ToE in knowing Mars, or even LHC, etc...

You must be out of your mind!

We use evolution in medicine you imbecile.

LOL!

If you use evolution in medicine, you will surely die!

ToE or evolution has these assumptions: random, non-random, and non-intelligence.

Medicine is a certain thing, thus, if you used random, the patient will die!

In medicine, we use intelligence and non-random...basically, medicine is part of Biological Interrelation, BiTs since they use the same assumptions and reality.

Thus, you are always wrong in science and in reality!

  
EmperorZelos



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 07 2015,19:24   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Nov. 07 2015,16:04)
Quote (EmperorZelos @ Nov. 07 2015,08:17)
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Nov. 06 2015,20:36)
 
Quote (NoName @ Nov. 06 2015,11:25)
Here's a little follow-up, Edgar.
What would your notions have contributed to the scientific research into terraforming Mars, specifically, restoring the Martian atmosphere?
How would your notions have impacted past theorizing, past understanding of where the atmosphere went?
How would your notions have improved our understanding of where the atmosphere went?

Those are all current scientific questions.  We who have science are aware of this work, we understand it, at least in broad outline.  We are puzzled that you seem to feel this does not count as science simply because it as irrelevant to your absurdist notions about intelligence as those notions are to planetary science.

YOU ARE REALLY CRAZY!!!

The reason why we have science today because we use intelligence and not ToE in knowing Mars, or even LHC, etc...

You must be out of your mind!

We use evolution in medicine you imbecile.

LOL!

If you use evolution in medicine, you will surely die!

ToE or evolution has these assumptions: random, non-random, and non-intelligence.

Medicine is a certain thing, thus, if you used random, the patient will die!

In medicine, we use intelligence and non-random...basically, medicine is part of Biological Interrelation, BiTs since they use the same assumptions and reality.

Thus, you are always wrong in science and in reality!

Yet evolution is used because it describes how organisms behave over time. You might want to look up into things.

Still wiating for you to solve my math thing ;)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 07 2015,23:36   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Nov. 08 2015,00:04)
Quote (EmperorZelos @ Nov. 07 2015,08:17)
 
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Nov. 06 2015,20:36)
 
Quote (NoName @ Nov. 06 2015,11:25)
Here's a little follow-up, Edgar.
What would your notions have contributed to the scientific research into terraforming Mars, specifically, restoring the Martian atmosphere?
How would your notions have impacted past theorizing, past understanding of where the atmosphere went?
How would your notions have improved our understanding of where the atmosphere went?

Those are all current scientific questions.  We who have science are aware of this work, we understand it, at least in broad outline.  We are puzzled that you seem to feel this does not count as science simply because it as irrelevant to your absurdist notions about intelligence as those notions are to planetary science.

YOU ARE REALLY CRAZY!!!

The reason why we have science today because we use intelligence and not ToE in knowing Mars, or even LHC, etc...

You must be out of your mind!

We use evolution in medicine you imbecile.

LOL!

If you use evolution in medicine, you will surely die!

ToE or evolution has these assumptions: random, non-random, and non-intelligence.

Medicine is a certain thing, thus, if you used random, the patient will die!

In medicine, we use intelligence and non-random...basically, medicine is part of Biological Interrelation, BiTs since they use the same assumptions and reality.

Thus, you are always wrong in science and in reality!


WE?? HOMO!!!



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 08 2015,04:28   

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Thus, you are always wrong in science and in reality!
[QUOTE]

But I've told you that my books explain why YOU are wrong! And my books are available to you for the stated fee.

Send the money and I'll send you the proof that you are wrong.

I've already given you a hint as to why you are wrong, here's another;

I repeated your experiment, the egg broke so I fried it and ate it even though I wasn't hungry.

So pay up or shut up!

  
Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 08 2015,05:47   

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I only sell my science books to those who are serious people...

Who are they?

How are sales going, they soon will be out of print?

What is the (not your) definition of intelligence?

I use the ToE to understand the LHC, that is the best scientific way to do it. You know the whole LHC complex is surrounded by all kinds of animals and other biological phenomena, we need the real science of ToE to understand them and why they stay so clos to the LHC. Are they planning a coup?

I have science, you just make silly claims about intellgence. If you ask with an open and humble mind,you might get some answers.

I use science, we use science. You have c**p.  Use toilet paper and wipe your mouth again.

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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 08 2015,06:49   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Nov. 07 2015,17:04)
   
Quote (EmperorZelos @ Nov. 07 2015,08:17)
   
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Nov. 06 2015,20:36)
     
Quote (NoName @ Nov. 06 2015,11:25)
Here's a little follow-up, Edgar.
What would your notions have contributed to the scientific research into terraforming Mars, specifically, restoring the Martian atmosphere?
How would your notions have impacted past theorizing, past understanding of where the atmosphere went?
How would your notions have improved our understanding of where the atmosphere went?

Those are all current scientific questions.  We who have science are aware of this work, we understand it, at least in broad outline.  We are puzzled that you seem to feel this does not count as science simply because it as irrelevant to your absurdist notions about intelligence as those notions are to planetary science.

YOU ARE REALLY CRAZY!!!

The reason why we have science today because we use intelligence and not ToE in knowing Mars, or even LHC, etc...

You must be out of your mind!

We use evolution in medicine you imbecile.

LOL!

If you use evolution in medicine, you will surely die!

The death rate remains precisely what it has always been -- 1 per person.  
More pointedly, what does your nonsense offer in lieu of current medical practice?  What research or medical results would change due to adoption of your categorization scheme?
What impact would your ideas have on the life sciences?
What possible impact could your ideas have on the death rate?
   
Quote
ToE or evolution has these assumptions: random, non-random, and non-intelligence.

False to fact.  Worse, entirely unsupportive to your assertions.
   
Quote
Medicine is a certain thing, thus, if you used random, the patient will die!

But medicine is not a 'certain thing'.  Medical conditions always have some degree of uncertainty, from diagnosis through treatment to prognosis and actual results.
How would your [failed] categorization scheme impact this reality?  What improvements to diagnostic techniques would your notions lead to?  How?  
What changes in treatment plans would your notions lead to?  How?
 
Quote
In medicine, we use intelligence and non-random...basically, medicine is part of Biological Interrelation, BiTs since they use the same assumptions and reality.

Thus, you are always wrong in science and in reality!

Again with the incoherence, and the equivocation of 'use'.

Your 'argument' is incoherent because you first insist that if we use the ToE in medicine, failure is the only possible outcome, then you insist that medicine is a 'certain' thing, and then you finish up by claiming, in effect, that because medicine does work (at least sometimes), it must be using your notions, not the ToE after all.
This is highly confused thinking, Edgar.  It demonstrates yet again that you simply do not know what you are talking about.

Your final throw-away line is simply your usual bluster and bravado.  The word 'thus' is incorrectly used, the disjunction implied between science and reality is a telling comment about your own superstitious view of the world.

As always, you lose.

  
MrIntelligentDesign



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 08 2015,19:37   

Quote (ChemiCat @ Nov. 08 2015,04:28)
Quote
Thus, you are always wrong in science and in reality!
[QUOTE]

But I've told you that my books explain why YOU are wrong! And my books are available to you for the stated fee.

Send the money and I'll send you the proof that you are wrong.

I've already given you a hint as to why you are wrong, here's another;

I repeated your experiment, the egg broke so I fried it and ate it even though I wasn't hungry.

So pay up or shut up!

LOL!!!

  
MrIntelligentDesign



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 08 2015,19:38   

Quote (Quack @ Nov. 08 2015,05:47)
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I only sell my science books to those who are serious people...

Who are they?

How are sales going, they soon will be out of print?

What is the (not your) definition of intelligence?

I use the ToE to understand the LHC, that is the best scientific way to do it. You know the whole LHC complex is surrounded by all kinds of animals and other biological phenomena, we need the real science of ToE to understand them and why they stay so clos to the LHC. Are they planning a coup?

I have science, you just make silly claims about intellgence. If you ask with an open and humble mind,you might get some answers.

I use science, we use science. You have c**p.  Use toilet paper and wipe your mouth again.

Those are the people who bought my science books - the serious people about science. You? You are just a joke!

  
MrIntelligentDesign



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 08 2015,19:42   

Quote (Quack @ Nov. 08 2015,05:47)
Quote
I only sell my science books to those who are serious people...

Who are they?

How are sales going, they soon will be out of print?

What is the (not your) definition of intelligence?

I use the ToE to understand the LHC, that is the best scientific way to do it. You know the whole LHC complex is surrounded by all kinds of animals and other biological phenomena, we need the real science of ToE to understand them and why they stay so clos to the LHC. Are they planning a coup?

I have science, you just make silly claims about intellgence. If you ask with an open and humble mind,you might get some answers.

I use science, we use science. You have c**p.  Use toilet paper and wipe your mouth again.

I forgot to answer/reply:

1. Not definition of intelligence?

Intelligence is not a principle of reinforcing any X...(continue to my OP)

or

Intelligence is always problem-solution..

If that is the case, I will retract and delete all my science books and videos..

2. LHC?? Using ToE?? Come on! How could a purely natural process (PNP) without intelligence could made and assemble the LHC?? You are making me laugh! LOL!

3. You don't have REAL science if you don't know the real intelligence...

  
MrIntelligentDesign



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 08 2015,19:48   

Quote (NoName @ Nov. 08 2015,06:49)
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Nov. 07 2015,17:04)
   
Quote (EmperorZelos @ Nov. 07 2015,08:17)
     
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Nov. 06 2015,20:36)
     
Quote (NoName @ Nov. 06 2015,11:25)
Here's a little follow-up, Edgar.
What would your notions have contributed to the scientific research into terraforming Mars, specifically, restoring the Martian atmosphere?
How would your notions have impacted past theorizing, past understanding of where the atmosphere went?
How would your notions have improved our understanding of where the atmosphere went?

Those are all current scientific questions.  We who have science are aware of this work, we understand it, at least in broad outline.  We are puzzled that you seem to feel this does not count as science simply because it as irrelevant to your absurdist notions about intelligence as those notions are to planetary science.

YOU ARE REALLY CRAZY!!!

The reason why we have science today because we use intelligence and not ToE in knowing Mars, or even LHC, etc...

You must be out of your mind!

We use evolution in medicine you imbecile.

LOL!

If you use evolution in medicine, you will surely die!

The death rate remains precisely what it has always been -- 1 per person.  
More pointedly, what does your nonsense offer in lieu of current medical practice?  What research or medical results would change due to adoption of your categorization scheme?
What impact would your ideas have on the life sciences?
What possible impact could your ideas have on the death rate?
   
Quote
ToE or evolution has these assumptions: random, non-random, and non-intelligence.

False to fact.  Worse, entirely unsupportive to your assertions.
   
Quote
Medicine is a certain thing, thus, if you used random, the patient will die!

But medicine is not a 'certain thing'.  Medical conditions always have some degree of uncertainty, from diagnosis through treatment to prognosis and actual results.
How would your [failed] categorization scheme impact this reality?  What improvements to diagnostic techniques would your notions lead to?  How?  
What changes in treatment plans would your notions lead to?  How?
   
Quote
In medicine, we use intelligence and non-random...basically, medicine is part of Biological Interrelation, BiTs since they use the same assumptions and reality.

Thus, you are always wrong in science and in reality!

Again with the incoherence, and the equivocation of 'use'.

Your 'argument' is incoherent because you first insist that if we use the ToE in medicine, failure is the only possible outcome, then you insist that medicine is a 'certain' thing, and then you finish up by claiming, in effect, that because medicine does work (at least sometimes), it must be using your notions, not the ToE after all.
This is highly confused thinking, Edgar.  It demonstrates yet again that you simply do not know what you are talking about.

Your final throw-away line is simply your usual bluster and bravado.  The word 'thus' is incorrectly used, the disjunction implied between science and reality is a telling comment about your own superstitious view of the world.

As always, you lose.

It is not I that lost but you!

1. It intellogence is used in all fields of science and reality (and actulaly is being use now), we will have no wars, no killings, no harming other people and we can go to Mars in very short time of span..

2. Medicine is always a certain thing. The diagnosis maybe false but the medicine must always be certain if not, the patient will die.

For example: if you use a toothpaste made in China, your teeth will be damaged/decayed in short years. But if you use Made in Japan, you will have a good teeth..WHY?

Because toothpaste Made in China is not certain thing (fake or knock-off) and it will never clean your teeth..

3. Do you know the assumptions of ToE when ToE explained the living organisms? It seems that you are dumb!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 08 2015,20:11   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Nov. 09 2015,03:38)
Quote (Quack @ Nov. 08 2015,05:47)
Quote
I only sell my science books to those who are serious people...

Who are they?

How are sales going, they soon will be out of print?

What is the (not your) definition of intelligence?

I use the ToE to understand the LHC, that is the best scientific way to do it. You know the whole LHC complex is surrounded by all kinds of animals and other biological phenomena, we need the real science of ToE to understand them and why they stay so clos to the LHC. Are they planning a coup?

I have science, you just make silly claims about intellgence. If you ask with an open and humble mind,you might get some answers.

I use science, we use science. You have c**p.  Use toilet paper and wipe your mouth again.

Those are the people who bought my science books - the serious people about science. You? You are just a joke!

Another breathtaking lie Edgar. Seek professional help for your own sake.

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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 08 2015,20:14   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Nov. 09 2015,03:48)
Quote (NoName @ Nov. 08 2015,06:49)
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Nov. 07 2015,17:04)
     
Quote (EmperorZelos @ Nov. 07 2015,08:17)
     
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Nov. 06 2015,20:36)
       
Quote (NoName @ Nov. 06 2015,11:25)
Here's a little follow-up, Edgar.
What would your notions have contributed to the scientific research into terraforming Mars, specifically, restoring the Martian atmosphere?
How would your notions have impacted past theorizing, past understanding of where the atmosphere went?
How would your notions have improved our understanding of where the atmosphere went?

Those are all current scientific questions.  We who have science are aware of this work, we understand it, at least in broad outline.  We are puzzled that you seem to feel this does not count as science simply because it as irrelevant to your absurdist notions about intelligence as those notions are to planetary science.

YOU ARE REALLY CRAZY!!!

The reason why we have science today because we use intelligence and not ToE in knowing Mars, or even LHC, etc...

You must be out of your mind!

We use evolution in medicine you imbecile.

LOL!

If you use evolution in medicine, you will surely die!

The death rate remains precisely what it has always been -- 1 per person.  
More pointedly, what does your nonsense offer in lieu of current medical practice?  What research or medical results would change due to adoption of your categorization scheme?
What impact would your ideas have on the life sciences?
What possible impact could your ideas have on the death rate?
     
Quote
ToE or evolution has these assumptions: random, non-random, and non-intelligence.

False to fact.  Worse, entirely unsupportive to your assertions.
     
Quote
Medicine is a certain thing, thus, if you used random, the patient will die!

But medicine is not a 'certain thing'.  Medical conditions always have some degree of uncertainty, from diagnosis through treatment to prognosis and actual results.
How would your [failed] categorization scheme impact this reality?  What improvements to diagnostic techniques would your notions lead to?  How?  
What changes in treatment plans would your notions lead to?  How?
   
Quote
In medicine, we use intelligence and non-random...basically, medicine is part of Biological Interrelation, BiTs since they use the same assumptions and reality.

Thus, you are always wrong in science and in reality!

Again with the incoherence, and the equivocation of 'use'.

Your 'argument' is incoherent because you first insist that if we use the ToE in medicine, failure is the only possible outcome, then you insist that medicine is a 'certain' thing, and then you finish up by claiming, in effect, that because medicine does work (at least sometimes), it must be using your notions, not the ToE after all.
This is highly confused thinking, Edgar.  It demonstrates yet again that you simply do not know what you are talking about.

Your final throw-away line is simply your usual bluster and bravado.  The word 'thus' is incorrectly used, the disjunction implied between science and reality is a telling comment about your own superstitious view of the world.

As always, you lose.

It is not I that lost but you!

1. It intellogence is used in all fields of science and reality (and actulaly is being use now), we will have no wars, no killings, no harming other people and we can go to Mars in very short time of span..

2. Medicine is always a certain thing. The diagnosis maybe false but the medicine must always be certain if not, the patient will die.

For example: if you use a toothpaste made in China, your teeth will be damaged/decayed in short years. But if you use Made in Japan, you will have a good teeth..WHY?

Because toothpaste Made in China is not certain thing (fake or knock-off) and it will never clean your teeth..

3. Do you know the assumptions of ToE when ToE explained the living organisms? It seems that you are dumb!

Completely incoherent nonsense Edgar. A late night in front of a bottle perhaps? Too much overproof sake? Big headache the next morning?

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 09 2015,00:08   

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[quote=MrIntelligentDesign,Nov. 09 2015,03:48] [quote=NoName,Nov. 08 2015,06:49]  [quote=MrIntelligentDesign,Nov. 07 2015,17:04]       [quote=EmperorZelos,Nov. 07 2015,08:17]        [quote=MrIntelligentDesign,Nov. 06 2015,20:36]        
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Completely incoherent nonsense Edgar. A late night in front of a bottle perhaps? Too much overproof sake? Big headache the next morning?

I'm perfectly fine...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 09 2015,00:26   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Nov. 08 2015,19:48)
It is not I that lost but you!

1. It intellogence is used in all fields of science and reality (and actulaly is being use now), we will have no wars, no killings, no harming other people and we can go to Mars in very short time of span..

2. Medicine is always a certain thing. The diagnosis maybe false but the medicine must always be certain if not, the patient will die.

For example: if you use a toothpaste made in China, your teeth will be damaged/decayed in short years. But if you use Made in Japan, you will have a good teeth..WHY?

Because toothpaste Made in China is not certain thing (fake or knock-off) and it will never clean your teeth..

3. Do you know the assumptions of ToE when ToE explained the living organisms? It seems that you are dumb!

You've lost on all points here because you cannot make a coherent arguement.

1: Humans are intelligence so of course we fucking use our intelligence, your definition on the other hand is utter shite

2: No, that is because biology is not an exact science due to difference, mutations, etc

3: You don't know anything about evolutoin or ANYTHING.

Give us the definition of evolution, theory of evolution and the fundational things it is based on.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 09 2015,02:01   

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LOL!!!


THREE, count them, three exclamation points. That's tin-foil hat territory.

Another two and it's a jacket with sleeves fastened at the back

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 09 2015,04:32   

Quote (ChemiCat @ Nov. 09 2015,10:01)
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LOL!!!


THREE, count them, three exclamation points. That's tin-foil hat territory.

Another two and it's a jacket with sleeves fastened at the back

I predict incoming ellipses..."All systems normal"

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 09 2015,05:02   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Nov. 09 2015,00:08)
[quote=k.e..,Nov. 08 2015,20:14][quote=MrIntelligentDesign,Nov. 09 2015,03:48] [quote=NoName,Nov. 08 2015,06:49]  [quote=MrIntelligentDesign,Nov. 07 2015,17:04]       [quote=EmperorZelos,Nov. 07 2015,08:17]        
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Nov. 06 2015,20:36)
         
Quote (NoName @ Nov. 06 2015,11:25)
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Completely incoherent nonsense Edgar. A late night in front of a bottle perhaps? Too much overproof sake? Big headache the next morning?

I'm perfectly fine...

HAHAHAHA! Perfectly fine my arse! You are a crank, delusional, incoherent and probably narcissistic too.

  
NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 09 2015,06:52   

Note that I have deleted a bit of the intermediary content of this extended "discussion."  The core content remains unaffected to the best of my ability.
 
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Nov. 08 2015,20:48)
   
Quote (NoName @ Nov. 08 2015,06:49)

   
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Nov. 07 2015,17:04)
     
   
Quote (NoName @ Nov. 06 2015,11:25)
Here's a little follow-up, Edgar.
What would your notions have contributed to the scientific research into terraforming Mars, specifically, restoring the Martian atmosphere?
How would your notions have impacted past theorizing, past understanding of where the atmosphere went?
How would your notions have improved our understanding of where the atmosphere went?

Those are all current scientific questions.  We who have science are aware of this work, we understand it, at least in broad outline.  We are puzzled that you seem to feel this does not count as science simply because it as irrelevant to your absurdist notions about intelligence as those notions are to planetary science.

LOL!
If you use evolution in medicine, you will surely die!

The death rate remains precisely what it has always been -- 1 per person.  
More pointedly, what does your nonsense offer in lieu of current medical practice?  What research or medical results would change due to adoption of your categorization scheme?
What impact would your ideas have on the life sciences?
What possible impact could your ideas have on the death rate?

         
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ToE or evolution has these assumptions: random, non-random, and non-intelligence.

False to fact.  Worse, entirely unsupportive to your assertions.
         
Quote
Medicine is a certain thing, thus, if you used random, the patient will die!

But medicine is not a 'certain thing'.  Medical conditions always have some degree of uncertainty, from diagnosis through treatment to prognosis and actual results.
How would your [failed] categorization scheme impact this reality?  What improvements to diagnostic techniques would your notions lead to?  How?  
What changes in treatment plans would your notions lead to?  How?

       
Quote
In medicine, we use intelligence and non-random...basically, medicine is part of Biological Interrelation, BiTs since they use the same assumptions and reality.

Thus, you are always wrong in science and in reality!

Again with the incoherence, and the equivocation of 'use'.

Your 'argument' is incoherent because you first insist that if we use the ToE in medicine, failure is the only possible outcome, then you insist that medicine is a 'certain' thing, and then you finish up by claiming, in effect, that because medicine does work (at least sometimes), it must be using your notions, not the ToE after all.
This is highly confused thinking, Edgar.  It demonstrates yet again that you simply do not know what you are talking about.

Your final throw-away line is simply your usual bluster and bravado.  The word 'thus' is incorrectly used, the disjunction implied between science and reality is a telling comment about your own superstitious view of the world.

As always, you lose.

It is not I that lost but you!

Why no, not at all.  You have conspicuously failed to address my points.  I have bolded the two sets of challenges you are avoiding.  Stop running away and address the issues!
Instead, you rehash your foolishness, as if that were an answer.  Hardly inspiring.  Particularly when your notions are bat-shit insane.
   
Quote
1. It intellogence is used in all fields of science and reality (and actulaly is being use now), we will have no wars, no killings, no harming other people and we can go to Mars in very short time of span..

Incoherent as expressed.  One can almost imagine the spittle-flecked outrage with which this was uttered.
But more notably, we see here one of your more common, and viciously inappropriate, tropes.  You claim to have discovered new things about intelligence, to have a new, better, understanding of it.  You are quite insistent that what you have is a new understanding of intelligence, one that will change the world.
You then proceed to argue that because we use intelligence, relying on the common understanding of the term, we must be using your new different meaning of the word.
This is either massively dishonest or self-delusion on a truly grand scale.  But in your case, I think it is both.
That we use intelligence in science, and thus, in reality, has nothing to do with your nonsensical categorization scheme nor your fantasized 'new discoveries' about intelligence.
   
Quote
2. Medicine is always a certain thing. The diagnosis maybe false but the medicine must always be certain if not, the patient will die.

Diagnosis is part of medicine.  If the diagnosis can be false, or uncertain, then medicine is uncertain.
Further, do please learn a bit about how medicine actually works.  Do some proper analysis before spouting off such monstrously ignorant rants.
A correct diagnosis of infection is made.  A patient is prescribed an antibiotic.  The patient dies due to severe anaphylactic shock brought on by allergy to the antibiotic.
Medicine is not certain; we can be certain of that.
   
Quote
For example: if you use a toothpaste made in China, your teeth will be damaged/decayed in short years. But if you use Made in Japan, you will have a good teeth..WHY?

Because toothpaste Made in China is not certain thing (fake or knock-off) and it will never clean your teeth..

Absurd.  You mistake country of origin as a sign of purity of manufacture.  The problem is not where the toothpaste originated, the problem is false advertising about the toothpaste.
Do you know that people who brush their teeth and practice proper oral hygiene can still lose teeth?
Your analytic skills appear to still be on vacation far outside of communication range with you.
 
Quote
3. Do you know the assumptions of ToE when ToE explained the living organisms? It seems that you are dumb!

You know so little about the Theory of Evolution that you are unqualified to discuss its assumptions, or whether those assumptions have been born out in logic, reason, and practical experiment.
But worse, you once again play the charlatan's card -- it doesn't matter whether the ToE is true or entirely false or somewhere in between.  What matters is that you are making a set of positive claims that greatly exceed the logic, reason, and evidence you have so far brought to bear.
Defects in other theories offer not support to your own.
Failure of other explanatory approaches do not suffice to raise your pseudo-categorization scheme to the level of explanatory power.

So, as always, you lose.  You are wrong in the details, you are wrong in the abstractions, you are wrong in your methods, your style, and your content.
You have run away from every challenge that has  been raised -- your fun from challenges because you are unable to address them, knowing deep down inside that your critics are correct.  You fear the truth.
Thus, you lose.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 09 2015,10:30   

Quote (NoName @ Nov. 09 2015,14:52)
Note that I have deleted a bit of the intermediary content of this extended "discussion."  The core content remains unaffected to the best of my ability.
 
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Nov. 08 2015,20:48)
   
Quote (NoName @ Nov. 08 2015,06:49)

   
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Nov. 07 2015,17:04)
     
   
Quote (NoName @ Nov. 06 2015,11:25)
Here's a little follow-up, Edgar.
What would your notions have contributed to the scientific research into terraforming Mars, specifically, restoring the Martian atmosphere?
How would your notions have impacted past theorizing, past understanding of where the atmosphere went?
How would your notions have improved our understanding of where the atmosphere went?

Those are all current scientific questions.  We who have science are aware of this work, we understand it, at least in broad outline.  We are puzzled that you seem to feel this does not count as science simply because it as irrelevant to your absurdist notions about intelligence as those notions are to planetary science.

LOL!
If you use evolution in medicine, you will surely die!

The death rate remains precisely what it has always been -- 1 per person.  
More pointedly, what does your nonsense offer in lieu of current medical practice?  What research or medical results would change due to adoption of your categorization scheme?
What impact would your ideas have on the life sciences?
What possible impact could your ideas have on the death rate?

         
Quote
ToE or evolution has these assumptions: random, non-random, and non-intelligence.

False to fact.  Worse, entirely unsupportive to your assertions.
         
Quote
Medicine is a certain thing, thus, if you used random, the patient will die!

But medicine is not a 'certain thing'.  Medical conditions always have some degree of uncertainty, from diagnosis through treatment to prognosis and actual results.
How would your [failed] categorization scheme impact this reality?  What improvements to diagnostic techniques would your notions lead to?  How?  
What changes in treatment plans would your notions lead to?  How?

         
Quote
In medicine, we use intelligence and non-random...basically, medicine is part of Biological Interrelation, BiTs since they use the same assumptions and reality.

Thus, you are always wrong in science and in reality!

Again with the incoherence, and the equivocation of 'use'.

Your 'argument' is incoherent because you first insist that if we use the ToE in medicine, failure is the only possible outcome, then you insist that medicine is a 'certain' thing, and then you finish up by claiming, in effect, that because medicine does work (at least sometimes), it must be using your notions, not the ToE after all.
This is highly confused thinking, Edgar.  It demonstrates yet again that you simply do not know what you are talking about.

Your final throw-away line is simply your usual bluster and bravado.  The word 'thus' is incorrectly used, the disjunction implied between science and reality is a telling comment about your own superstitious view of the world.

As always, you lose.

It is not I that lost but you!

Why no, not at all.  You have conspicuously failed to address my points.  I have bolded the two sets of challenges you are avoiding.  Stop running away and address the issues!
Instead, you rehash your foolishness, as if that were an answer.  Hardly inspiring.  Particularly when your notions are bat-shit insane.
   
Quote
1. It intellogence is used in all fields of science and reality (and actulaly is being use now), we will have no wars, no killings, no harming other people and we can go to Mars in very short time of span..

Incoherent as expressed.  One can almost imagine the spittle-flecked outrage with which this was uttered.
But more notably, we see here one of your more common, and viciously inappropriate, tropes.  You claim to have discovered new things about intelligence, to have a new, better, understanding of it.  You are quite insistent that what you have is a new understanding of intelligence, one that will change the world.
You then proceed to argue that because we use intelligence, relying on the common understanding of the term, we must be using your new different meaning of the word.
This is either massively dishonest or self-delusion on a truly grand scale.  But in your case, I think it is both.
That we use intelligence in science, and thus, in reality, has nothing to do with your nonsensical categorization scheme nor your fantasized 'new discoveries' about intelligence.
   
Quote
2. Medicine is always a certain thing. The diagnosis maybe false but the medicine must always be certain if not, the patient will die.

Diagnosis is part of medicine.  If the diagnosis can be false, or uncertain, then medicine is uncertain.
Further, do please learn a bit about how medicine actually works.  Do some proper analysis before spouting off such monstrously ignorant rants.
A correct diagnosis of infection is made.  A patient is prescribed an antibiotic.  The patient dies due to severe anaphylactic shock brought on by allergy to the antibiotic.
Medicine is not certain; we can be certain of that.
   
Quote
For example: if you use a toothpaste made in China, your teeth will be damaged/decayed in short years. But if you use Made in Japan, you will have a good teeth..WHY?

Because toothpaste Made in China is not certain thing (fake or knock-off) and it will never clean your teeth..

Absurd.  You mistake country of origin as a sign of purity of manufacture.  The problem is not where the toothpaste originated, the problem is false advertising about the toothpaste.
Do you know that people who brush their teeth and practice proper oral hygiene can still lose teeth?
Your analytic skills appear to still be on vacation far outside of communication range with you.
   
Quote
3. Do you know the assumptions of ToE when ToE explained the living organisms? It seems that you are dumb!

You know so little about the Theory of Evolution that you are unqualified to discuss its assumptions, or whether those assumptions have been born out in logic, reason, and practical experiment.
But worse, you once again play the charlatan's card -- it doesn't matter whether the ToE is true or entirely false or somewhere in between.  What matters is that you are making a set of positive claims that greatly exceed the logic, reason, and evidence you have so far brought to bear.
Defects in other theories offer not support to your own.
Failure of other explanatory approaches do not suffice to raise your pseudo-categorization scheme to the level of explanatory power.

So, as always, you lose.  You are wrong in the details, you are wrong in the abstractions, you are wrong in your methods, your style, and your content.
You have run away from every challenge that has  been raised -- your fun from challenges because you are unable to address them, knowing deep down inside that your critics are correct.  You fear the truth.
Thus, you lose.

I suspect Edgar's native tongue is either Spanish or Portuguese.

Não deis aos cães as coisas santas, nem deiteis aos porcos as vossas pérolas, para que não suceda de que eles as pisem com os pés e que, voltando-se contra vós, vos dilacerem.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 09 2015,12:54   

Quote (EmperorZelos @ Nov. 09 2015,05:02)
[quote=MrIntelligentDesign,Nov. 09 2015,00:08][quote=k.e..,Nov. 08 2015,20:14][quote=MrIntelligentDesign,Nov. 09 2015,03:48] [quote=NoName,Nov. 08 2015,06:49]  [quote=MrIntelligentDesign,Nov. 07 2015,17:04]      
Quote (EmperorZelos @ Nov. 07 2015,08:17)
       
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Nov. 06 2015,20:36)
         
Quote (NoName @ Nov. 06 2015,11:25)
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Completely incoherent nonsense Edgar. A late night in front of a bottle perhaps? Too much overproof sake? Big headache the next morning?

I'm perfectly fine...

HAHAHAHA! Perfectly fine my arse! You are a crank, delusional, incoherent and probably narcissistic too.

I have science as evidences of my six science books. IF YOU COULD provide an alternative replacement for my new and universal intelligence, then, maybe you are right.

But you have nothing to offer, thus, you are nothing!

  
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