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Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 28 2011,15:48    [trying to bump page bug] -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Woodbine Posts: 1218 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 28 2011,16:15    Nicely done RtH! (Sock puppets please report to Klinghoffer thread!) Meanwhile, in a post entitled "Some life forms can be scared to death." Van asks... Quote so I wonder what the darwinists will claim the selective benefit of this trait is…….hmmmmm OK, which one of you is Van?

paragwinn Posts: 539 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 28 2011,16:43    Quote (Woodbine @ Oct. 28 2011,14:15) Nicely done RtH! (Sock puppets please report to Klinghoffer thread!) There is a crack in everything / That's how the light gets in. - Leonard Cohen, "Anthem" -------------- All women build up a resistance [to male condescension]. Apparently, ID did not predict that. -Kristine 4-19-11 F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11 Sigh. Really Bill? - Barry Arrington

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 28 2011,17:15    Quote (paragwinn @ Oct. 28 2011,17:43) Quote (Woodbine @ Oct. 28 2011,14:15) Nicely done RtH! (Sock puppets please report to Klinghoffer thread!) There is a crack in everything / That's how the light gets in. - Leonard Cohen, "Anthem" From his beautiful and chilling album, "The Future." -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 28 2011,19:57    Behe fucked up BIG TIME by being allowed on the stand at Kitzmiller.  He screwed the pooch for IDists everywhere. Heck, half my response to IDists come from Behe's testimony. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Patrick Posts: 666 Joined: July 2011 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 28 2011,21:50    Quote (OgreMkV @ Oct. 27 2011,08:06) Quote (CeilingCat @ Oct. 27 2011,06:42) Maybe we should start isolating one UDer at a time and tag-teaming them with clear, easy to understand replies to every cliched argument they throw out until they finally either learn something or at least go away. Instead, isolate them on at a time and demand definitions, explanations, and calculated examples... until it gets through their tiny hindbrains that they cannot do the things they claim to. Elizabeth Liddle's invitation for the UD regulars to join her at her blog suggests a related idea.  If every sock replied there (or here) and just left a pointer at UD, it might drag the roaches out into the light to be stomped on encourage the UD regulars to venture out from behind Clivebaby's skirts.  It would be especially interesting if replies at UD were of the form "Oh, we've been discussing that at AtBC.  You should join us there."

sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 28 2011,21:57    Surprisingly no "world class ckeckers", "LS-DYNA", "I was a worse than Dawkins militant atheist", "autonomously guided airdrop systems", "artificial-intelligence" "classical piano", but this little gem surely compensates for much Quote At a recent men’s church retreat I am hoping for video footage. -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

Ptaylor Posts: 1180 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 28 2011,22:15    Quote (sparc @ Oct. 29 2011,14:57) Surprisingly no "world class ckeckers", "LS-DYNA", "I was a worse than Dawkins militant atheist", "autonomously guided airdrop systems", "artificial-intelligence" "classical piano", but this little gem surely compensates for much   Quote At a recent men’s church retreat I am hoping for video footage. Gil almost nails it in his opening paragraph: Quote Why are ID theorists skeptical of “man-caused carbon dioxide emissions leading to the destruction of the planet” theory? The reason is that we follow the evidence, and have a nose that smells out junk science in the name of an ideological (indeed, a religious) agenda. My embolderation. -------------- We no longer say: “Another day; another bad day for Darwinism.” We now say: “Another day since the time Darwinism was disproved.” -PaV, Uncommon Descent, 19 June 2016

Woodbine Posts: 1218 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 28 2011,22:58    Speak of the self-obsessed fop and he will surely appear. Guess who just blew his nose at Febble's....   Quote Dear Liz, Just thought I’d stop by and say hi. During the years of my youth when I was lost in the dark, depressing depths of atheistic materialism, the piano and classical music were my refuge. From the age of seven my piano teacher was Ruby Bailey, who died tragically in a single-car auto accident. She was like a second mother to me. Ruby gave me a gift that still blesses me to this day. You can download some of my piano recordings at: http://www.worldchampionshipcheckers.com/....ers....ers.com and I would be happy to mail you a set of CDs if you like.

sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 28 2011,23:34    BTW, if you want pure un-diluted TARD from GilDo you may use the following link: http://www.uncommondescent.com/author.....ldodgen Such lists are available for many but not all (e.g. Dembski, Denyse, Barry Arrington) UD posters. An interesting case is Patrick whose nome de guerre is <a href="www.uncommondescent.com/author/gumpngreen/" target="_blank">gumpngreen</a>. Google says that gump is the abbrevation of God's Underground Military Police. According to guru.com he is working for XRUCIFIX which describes itself as one Quote of the leading Christian entertainment studios in the industry today. We develop strong, edgy action focused titles for teens and adults. Our vision, like many of our friends are the 3Es: Entertaining, Enlightening and Evangelizing. Seeing their bizarre pages I really wonder if US Christian belief has even remotely anything to do with what Christians believe in Europe. -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

Woodbine Posts: 1218 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 29 2011,00:15    Well I've just downloaded the demo for... Eternal War: Shadows of Light ...which is advertised on that site. It's only 33mb and from the pics looks nothing more than a Quake/Hexen clone. I've never played a Christian game before so I'm curious to discover just how much fun a game designed to "...challenge the player spiritually as well as skill-wise without cramming the Bible down their throats." can be. I'll have a play tomorrow and report my experience/conversion.

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 29 2011,00:33    Quote Q In fact, intelligent design takes no position on the age of the earth or when biological life began. A That's correct. You know, somehow I've wound up with the impression that the position taken by "intelligent design" depends on who you hear it from (and sometimes also onwho they happen to be talking to at the time). With evolution, otoh, the same basic principles are acknowledged by experts around the globe, even as the argue (sometimes loudly) about details. But then, if they didn't agree on basic principles, they wouldn't be able to argue about details, as in that case it wouldn't mean anything. Henry

Cubist Posts: 558 Joined: Oct. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 29 2011,03:58    Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 29 2011,00:33)     Quote Q In fact, intelligent design takes no position on the age of the earth or when biological life began. A That's correct. You know, somehow I've wound up with the impression that the position taken by "intelligent design" depends on who you hear it from (and sometimes also on who they happen to be talking to at the time). That's probably because the 'position' taken by ID-pushers does depend on who you hear it from and who they happen to be talking to at the time. The real, true, core ideas of ID are God did it and evolution is just wrong; since there are occasional lingering legal restrictions which obstruct ID-pushers from promoting these core ideas (the first one in particular) explicitly and honestly, they must needs cloak it in different verbiage depending on the venue and audience. Since the goals of the ID movement are political and cultural, it's hardly surprising that ID-pushers' tactics make no sense under the presumption that ID is a scientific enterprise...

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 29 2011,08:05    Quote (Ptaylor @ Oct. 29 2011,06:15) Quote (sparc @ Oct. 29 2011,14:57) Surprisingly no "world class ckeckers", "LS-DYNA", "I was a worse than Dawkins militant atheist", "autonomously guided airdrop systems", "artificial-intelligence" "classical piano", but this little gem surely compensates for much     Quote At a recent men’s church retreat I am hoping for video footage. Gil almost nails it in his opening paragraph:   Quote Why are ID theorists skeptical of “man-caused carbon dioxide emissions leading to the destruction of the planet” theory? The reason is that we follow the evidence, and have a nose that smells out junk science in the name of an ideological (indeed, a religious) agenda. My embolderation. No man in ID is more in need of a BJ. GIL STOP! Stop sniffing church farts you are getting higher than a Rasta on  da 'oly 'erb .... mon. Don't inhale. Reminds me of that twit Paley's Ghost. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Woodbine Posts: 1218 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 29 2011,13:01    So, Eternal War: Shadows of Light was a bust. Couldn't get it to run properly; it started slow and juddered to a halt before I made it out of the first room. It's a game designed in 2003, based on the Quake 1 engine and attempting to run on Win7 64. The odds were always against it. Ah well, nothing lost. The only hint of Christianity I found in the tiny amount of time spent with it was in the controls page where there is a command for 'Prayer'. In game all this elicited was a message saying 'You are already at full strength' so I'm guessing it pumps up your spiritual fortitude when you're feeling a bit nihilistic or Dodgenesque. Ho hum, I'm therefore still a heathen; back to the regular schedule.

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 29 2011,13:39    a famous queauxt by werner von braun comes to mind at that -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 29 2011,13:50    Quote (Woodbine @ Oct. 28 2011,17:15) Meanwhile, in a post entitled "Some life forms can be scared to death." Van asks...   Quote so I wonder what the darwinists will claim the selective benefit of this trait is…….hmmmmm OK, which one of you is Van? that post. is. unbelievable. DeNews Quote (Tranmaw @ typically) What it mainly shows is that natural prey animals are usually stupid and unable to assess risks intelligently. holy shit.  the irony of this dolt trying to consider such a thing. -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 29 2011,17:43    Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Oct. 29 2011,11:50) Quote (Tranmaw @ typically) What it mainly shows is that natural prey animals are usually stupid and unable to assess risks intelligently. holy shit.  the irony of this dolt trying to consider such a thing. Stupidity.  Therefore Jesus. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2011,06:17    Jospeh or IDiotJoseph: Quote A targeted search is a post hoc “explanation” with absolly no idea what ID posits. Again what is beneficial for one generation in one specific environment isn’t necessarily going to back away because you cannot demonstrate otherwise. And that was used by the designer(s) or specific process(es) used, is by demonstrating chance and necessity. I can explain that- ya see the compiler doing its thing right up to the 5’ end, the non-coding strand in order to have issues with God wanting to wipe out one or a blind watchmaker papers at your meetings? That is papers that demonstrate the alleged powers of blind, undirected processes. IOW transpsons could very well be a demonstrated feasibility. IOW the information that comes from it is convincing. Yup, perhaps 1/2 way there pertaining to blind, undirected chemical processes. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2011,09:10    Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Oct. 30 2011,14:17) Jospeh or IDiotJoseph:   Quote A targeted search is a post hoc “explanation” with absolly no idea what ID posits. Again what is beneficial for one generation in one specific environment isn’t necessarily going to back away because you cannot demonstrate otherwise. And that was used by the designer(s) or specific process(es) used, is by demonstrating chance and necessity. I can explain that- ya see the compiler doing its thing right up to the 5’ end, the non-coding strand in order to have issues with God wanting to wipe out one or a blind watchmaker papers at your meetings? That is papers that demonstrate the alleged powers of blind, undirected processes. IOW transpsons could very well be a demonstrated feasibility. IOW the information that comes from it is convincing. Yup, perhaps 1/2 way there pertaining to blind, undirected chemical processes. hahahaha ID gold from teh turd mines -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Patrick Posts: 666 Joined: July 2011 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2011,09:45    Speaking of Joseph, Chas D and GinoB are winding him up into a proper lather.  Joseph has even started using terms like "evotard" that he usually reserves for his on cesspit of a blog.  The vacuum that Elizabeth Liddle left is being filled with the best that UD has to offer, apparently.

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2011,11:08    Batshit77 on experiments to explain bird flocking:   Quote ,,,nor has Hemelrijk, despite how impressed she may be with her computer model, come anywhere near completely ruling out that the Starlings may actually be communicating ‘telepathically’. In fact there is now direct experimental evidence that ‘non-local’ (beyond space and time) quantum effects play a foundational role in bird navigation, thus, if anything, completely opening up a plausible ‘telepathic’ cause Ever since UD opened comments to scientifically literate non-ID pushers it's been a  bloodbath for the IDiot regulars.  As someone else noted, I'd almost feel sorry for them if the assclowns didn't deserve it. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2011,13:34    Quote (Patrick @ Oct. 30 2011,10:45) Speaking of Joseph, Chas D and GinoB are winding him up into a proper lather.  Joseph has even started using terms like "evotard" that he usually reserves for his on cesspit of a blog.  The vacuum that Elizabeth Liddle left is being filled with the best that UD has to offer, apparently. Quote (JoeG @ channeling another tard) A transposon has in it sections of DNA that encode two of the enzymes it needs to carry out its job. The cell itself contributes the other necessary enzymes. The motion of these genetic elements about to produce the above mutations has been found to be a complex process and we probably haven’t yet discovered all the complexity. But because no one knows why they occur, many geneticists have assumed they occur only by chance. I find it hard to believe that a process as precise and as well controlled as the transposition of genetic elements happens only by chance. Some scientists tend to call a mechanism random before we learn what it really does. If the source of variation for evolution were point mutations, we could say the variation is random. But if the source of variation is the complex process of transposition, then there is no justification for saying that evolution is based on random events. Dr Lee Spetner “Not By Chance” page 44   Quote (ChasD @ the dumb place) Joseph, What’s all that about? It does not matter whether transposons move by chance or not. And any scientific argument that contains the phrase “I find it hard to believe that…” is worthless. haha sig worthy joe   Quote Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science good luck with that one ChasD, this dip shit "thinks" you are wrong baahahahaha -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2011,13:50    Quote What common ancestry lacks is no one knows what makes a whale a whale, a hippo a hippo nor can anyone link the required genetic changes to the required physiological and anatomical changes. No one even knows if such a transformation is even possible. Joseph you poor stupid bastard, whales and hippos aren't  fucking pokemon.  creationists think species are ideas in the minds of god.  no wonder they are usually sexually repressed as well -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2011,14:39    Frill Quote Why are ID theorists skeptical of “man-caused carbon dioxide emissions leading to the destruction of the planet” theory? The reason is that we follow the evidence, and have a nose that smells out junk science in the name of an ideological (indeed, a religious) agenda. At a recent men’s church retreat I chatted with our pastor about how it seemed obvious to me that the global-warming thing exhibited all the attributes of a religion. Mother earth is a goddess. We have sinned against her with technology. If we do not repent and return to primitive living she will call down her wrath and fry us all with vengeance. Little did I know that Michael Barone, in his essay Collapse of the global-warming cult came to the same conclusion. The same thing applies to the cult of Darwinism, which is promoted in the name of science. Darwinian theory (in particular, the presumed creative power of random mutations, and attempts to explain away the fact that the fossil evidence consistently contradicts gradualism) exhibits all the attributes of an ersatz religion. It is the creation story of the religion of materialism. LOL -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2011,15:05    it's another permutation of that grand old saw "I, personally, am dumb as fuck.  Therefore, you are wrong." -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2011,15:40    Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Oct. 30 2011,14:39) Frill Quote At a recent men’s church retreat I LOL Is *that* what they are calling it nowadays? -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Ptaylor Posts: 1180 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2011,15:54    Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Oct. 31 2011,08:05) it's another permutation of that grand old saw "I, personally, am dumb as fuck.  Therefore, you are wrong." From recent comments it's difficult to tell if you are referring to Joseph or Gil. Which one... ...oh, never mind. -------------- We no longer say: “Another day; another bad day for Darwinism.” We now say: “Another day since the time Darwinism was disproved.” -PaV, Uncommon Descent, 19 June 2016

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2011,16:19    Quote (Ptaylor @ Oct. 30 2011,16:54)   Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Oct. 31 2011,08:05) it's another permutation of that grand old saw "I, personally, am dumb as fuck.  Therefore, you are wrong." From recent comments it's difficult to tell if you are referring to Joseph or Gil. Which one... ...oh, never mind. Eureka!  carlson's careful study of species of the Frilled Tard complex has yielded a much more basic systematic inference, a synapomorphy underlying the main frame of the tard organ, which is then differentiated as a function of local selection on historical/socioeconomic fundie tardisms.  the interboobz and the tardularity that is UD have united many divergent lineages of T. ard.   that, ladies and gentlemen and third party pronyms, is the smell of science -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Tracy P. Hamilton Posts: 1239 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2011,18:26    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Oct. 30 2011,11:08) Batshit77 on experiments to explain bird flocking:     Quote ,,,nor has Hemelrijk, despite how impressed she may be with her computer model, come anywhere near completely ruling out that the Starlings may actually be communicating ‘telepathically’. In fact there is now direct experimental evidence that ‘non-local’ (beyond space and time) quantum effects play a foundational role in bird navigation, thus, if anything, completely opening up a plausible ‘telepathic’ cause Ever since UD opened comments to scientifically literate non-ID pushers it's been a  bloodbath for the IDiot regulars.  As someone else noted, I'd almost feel sorry for them if the assclowns didn't deserve it. Send Kreskin over to UD, and he would say "Nothing, drawing a blank." -------------- "Following what I just wrote about fitness, you’re taking refuge in what we see in the world."  PaV "The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space." GilDodgen "We have no brain, I don't, for thinking." Robert Byers

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