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Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2012,11:43    prettttttttttty sure gordon "gets" the male form,  over and over which is a beautiful thing too i might add.  it's your guilt and shame that is ugly, gordon! -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2012,11:50    this is a transparent attempt to resuscitate their dead blog by stimulating traffic. who gives a fuck what they have to say?  if you want tard, PM me and I will send you a shit ton of other places to go tarding.  UD is a dustbin -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Freddie Posts: 371 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2012,15:11    Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Mar. 13 2012,11:50) this is a transparent attempt to resuscitate their dead blog by stimulating traffic. who gives a fuck what they have to say?  if you want tard, PM me and I will send you a shit ton of other places to go tarding.  UD is a dustbin Okay, okay ... I hear you. But .... one last thing.  Gordy has used this graphic as some sort of seminal set of statistics about web porn several times. Now if you do a little digging, it is an interesting piece of art: (1) There is a URL at the bottom which points to www.onlinemba.com where, indeed, this image is hosted although it doesn't seem to be an official part of the site, a quick search doesn't turn up anything anyway. (2) The citations for the stats are at the bottom of the chart in the small print.  The first cite is from the UK's Daily Mail. Top drawer stuff ... here's the link.  There are also links to the BBC news site, and various other news, review and blog sites.  No actual real researchers were harmed in the making up of these stats.  This is not to say they may not be true, but I think there may be some selective quoting going on here.  Surprised?  Me neither. If you take at face value that there are 12% of all websites offering porn and extrapolate this to today (where there are by some counts about 650m sites with 5% growth per month) then this would mean either 78m porn sites are in existence, or Gordy's stats are well out of date.  I suspect the latter.  It wouldn't sound so good to state 3% of sites are porn sites would it now? But wait, what's this?  The site Gordy links the image from is the Pink Cross Foundation (Faith based relief (!) for former Porn Stars - or something like that).  There, we find this: So maybe the number is really 4.2m web sites offer pornography (a few years ago).  So let's say the number doubled in the last few years (there's no end to the number of fetishes you can dream up, I guess) and there are now ~8m sites out of 650m.  That's ~ 1% of all web sites. Hmmm.  Maybe this belongs on the BW instead of here after all. -------------- Joe: Most criticisims of ID stem from ignorance and jealousy. Joe: As for the authors of the books in the Bible, well the OT was authored by Moses and the NT was authored by various people. Byers: The eskimo would not need hairy hair growth as hair, I say, is for keeping people dry. Not warm.

George Posts: 316 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2012,15:17    'Ras, I didn't know you lived in Elmhurst, IL? (Low hanging fruit, I plucks it.)

khan Posts: 1554 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2012,15:51    Quote (Lou FCD @ Mar. 13 2012,12:26) P.P.S. I'm pretty sure Gordon E. Mullings, AKA Kairosfocus, AKA misogynistic douchenozzle of Montserrat, AKA biggest, most self-loathing closeted homosexual of the Caribbean (come on out, Gordy, nobody cares except you and it's not like there is anyone anywhere who doesn't already know), is just pissed off that I don't have enough penis on my website to give his left hand a little strange, down there in his sister's basement. Just for you, Gordy, I'll try and get some male nudes up this week while I'm on Spring Break, just for your wanking pleasure. I'm a good guy like that. Fair warning though, I don't really "get" the male form like I do the female form, so they may not be as good. I'm sure they will be very nice. -------------- "It's as if all those words, in their hurry to escape from the loony, have fallen over each other, forming scrambled heaps of meaninglessness." -damitall That's so fucking stupid it merits a wing in the museum of stupid. -midwifetoad Frequency is just the plural of wavelength... -JoeG

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2012,16:16    Quote (George @ Mar. 13 2012,16:17) 'Ras, I didn't know you lived in Elmhurst, IL? (Low hanging fruit, I plucks it.) apparently i am too dumb to get that one -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

MichaelJ Posts: 462 Joined: June 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2012,16:51    Quote (damitall @ Mar. 13 2012,21:18) Paranoia Mullings:   Quote I notice we are running at a better than 100:1 views to comments ratio, about ten times the usual ratio for UD, which strongly suggests that this thread is under hostile observation. Couldn't be any other reason, could there? I don't know where he gets the 10:1 ratio. The top daily visits current runs between 400 to 700 views. Having 100 to 1 ratio just means that there are almost no comments.

sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2012,23:46    Don't behave as if you were surprised. You must remeber this, this and this repeated here with a picture manipulated personally by Gordon E. Mullings. -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

Patrick Posts: 666 Joined: July 2011 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2012,00:21    Quote (khan @ Mar. 13 2012,16:51) Quote (Lou FCD @ Mar. 13 2012,12:26) P.P.S. I'm pretty sure Gordon E. Mullings, AKA Kairosfocus, AKA misogynistic douchenozzle of Montserrat, AKA biggest, most self-loathing closeted homosexual of the Caribbean (come on out, Gordy, nobody cares except you and it's not like there is anyone anywhere who doesn't already know), is just pissed off that I don't have enough penis on my website to give his left hand a little strange, down there in his sister's basement. Just for you, Gordy, I'll try and get some male nudes up this week while I'm on Spring Break, just for your wanking pleasure. I'm a good guy like that. Fair warning though, I don't really "get" the male form like I do the female form, so they may not be as good. I'm sure they will be very nice.

sledgehammer Posts: 533 Joined: Sep. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2012,01:46    My favorite statistic was "the average porn site visit lasts 6 minutes and 29 seconds" YMMV -------------- The majority of the stupid is invincible and guaranteed for all time. The terror of their tyranny is alleviated by their lack of consistency. -A. Einstein  (H/T, JAD) If evolution is true, you could not know that it's true because your brain is nothing but chemicals. ?Think about that. -K. Hovind

DiEb Posts: 312 Joined: May 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2012,03:16    Mirroring the moderation queue:   Quote DiEb March 13, 2012 at 2:56 pm Your comment is awaiting moderation.     Quote Now, the yardstick algor is a random walk search, and given that more effective search algors depend on being matched to the specific space in view, it is indeed reasonable for M & D to have concluded that on average, if there is no intelligent matching, a random pick of search algor from the space of possible algors makes the odds typically worse than just going for a random search. The wrong algor could actually lead you away from targets! @KairosFocus: I assume that you mean the remark to the Horizontal No Free Lunch Theorem in the paper "The Search for a Search: Measuring the Information Cost of Higher Level Search". Needless to say that this theorem isn't seen as valid by many - you can see my quite recent and very elementary take here. BTW: there is a difference between a random walk search and the random search as described by Marks, Dembski et al. @WinstonEwert: I hope I can interest you in the paper-style pdf as linked above. I'd like to get your input - or the input of your colleagues.

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2012,06:33    Speaking of Gordon, I notice that when he goes on another anti-porn kick, he carefully avoids any evidence that might make him look wrong.  Such as ... Study finds online porn may reduce incidence of rape         Quote Todd Kendall, an economics professor at Clemson University, published a study that found "the arrival of the internet was associated with a reduction in rape incidence." He notes that "association" is not causality, but he does point out that "it is notable that growth in internet usage had no apparent effect on other crimes." The rate of forcible rape in the past 15 years has declined 30 percent nationwide, according to Bob Dyer in a recent column on Ohio.com. Meanwhile, he reports that "never has pornography been more readily available." Dyer attributes the decrease in rapes at least in part to the increased prevalence of porn. or... How the web prevents rape         Quote The bottom line on these experiments is, "More Net access, less rape." A 10 percent increase in Net access yields about a 7.3 percent decrease in reported rapes. States that adopted the Internet quickly saw the biggest declines. And, according to Clemson professor Todd Kendall, the effects remain even after you control for all of the obvious confounding variables, such as alcohol consumption, police presence, poverty and unemployment rates, population density, and so forth. or... Porn Up, Rape Down         Quote Anthony D' Amato of Northwestern U ABSTRACT: The incidence of rape in the United States has declined 85% in the past 25 years while access to pornography has become freely available to teenagers and adults. The Nixon and Reagan Commissions tried to show that exposure to pornographic materials produced social violence. The reverse may be true: that pornography has reduced social violence. or... A couple dozen other articles an honest and conscientious person could find by Googling "pornography rape reduction" without the quotes.  But then again, "honest" and "conscientious" are two words that are seldom used to describe Gordon. Bottom line: Kairosfocus is advocating steps that will likely increase rape substantially.

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2012,06:37    I should add to my previous post that although it's not mentioned in any of the articles above, the leading theory for why porn decreases rape is that porn leads to masturbation which leads to not needing to rape anymore. To the best of my knowledge, Gordon has never raped anybody. Edited to add: Oops, the last citation does mention that theory.  "[O]ne possibility: that some people watching pornography may “get it out of their system” and thus have no further desire to go out and actually try it." For the safety of Montserrat's female population, here's hoping Gordo "gets it out of his system" regularly. Edited by CeilingCat on Mar. 14 2012,06:49

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2012,06:55    Quote (sledgehammer @ Mar. 14 2012,09:46) My favorite statistic was "the average porn site visit lasts 6 minutes and 29 seconds" YMMV THAT LONG? OH WELL HAPPY ENDINGS ARE SHORTER WITH ONE. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2012,07:11    Quote (CeilingCat @ Mar. 14 2012,14:37) I should add to my previous post that although it's not mentioned in any of the articles above, the leading theory for why porn decreases rape is that porn leads to masturbation which leads to not needing to rape anymore. To the best of my knowledge, Gordon has never raped anybody. Edited to add: Oops, the last citation does mention that theory.  "[O]ne possibility: that some people watching pornography may “get it out of their system” and thus have no further desire to go out and actually try it." For the safety of Montserrat's female population, here's hoping Gordo "gets it out of his system" regularly. I dunno. In PNG which I guess is the nearest equivalent place I've been to like Monserrat; Gordo, if he got out once in a while, would be on the receiving end. He reminds me of an old time preacher at a carnival. Hob knobbing with throbbing mass and salivating at the thought of flesh whilst just loudly enough screaming hell and damnation. The furtive god bothering masking his carnal desires. He dreams of standing on the pulpit in front of his flock not drooping like the statue of his forefarther in the town square but engorged and ashamed. WAKE UP GORDON!!!! FOR FUCKS SAKE. A PULPIT IS NOT MEANT TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2012,07:24    Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Mar. 14 2012,00:16)   Quote (George @ Mar. 13 2012,16:17) 'Ras, I didn't know you lived in Elmhurst, IL? (Low hanging fruit, I plucks it.) apparently i am too dumb to get that one I THOUGHT YOU WERE FROM OKLAHOMO....HOMO! -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2012,07:56    Quote (CeilingCat @ Mar. 14 2012,06:33) Speaking of Gordon, I notice that when he goes on another anti-porn kick, he carefully avoids any evidence that might make him look wrong.  Such as ... Study finds online porn may reduce incidence of rape           Quote Todd Kendall, an economics professor at Clemson University, published a study that found "the arrival of the internet was associated with a reduction in rape incidence." He notes that "association" is not causality, but he does point out that "it is notable that growth in internet usage had no apparent effect on other crimes." The rate of forcible rape in the past 15 years has declined 30 percent nationwide, according to Bob Dyer in a recent column on Ohio.com. Meanwhile, he reports that "never has pornography been more readily available." Dyer attributes the decrease in rapes at least in part to the increased prevalence of porn. or... How the web prevents rape         Quote The bottom line on these experiments is, "More Net access, less rape." A 10 percent increase in Net access yields about a 7.3 percent decrease in reported rapes. States that adopted the Internet quickly saw the biggest declines. And, according to Clemson professor Todd Kendall, the effects remain even after you control for all of the obvious confounding variables, such as alcohol consumption, police presence, poverty and unemployment rates, population density, and so forth. or... Porn Up, Rape Down         Quote Anthony D' Amato of Northwestern U ABSTRACT: The incidence of rape in the United States has declined 85% in the past 25 years while access to pornography has become freely available to teenagers and adults. The Nixon and Reagan Commissions tried to show that exposure to pornographic materials produced social violence. The reverse may be true: that pornography has reduced social violence. or... A couple dozen other articles an honest and conscientious person could find by Googling "pornography rape reduction" without the quotes.  But then again, "honest" and "conscientious" are two words that are seldom used to describe Gordon. Bottom line: Kairosfocus is advocating steps that will likely increase rape substantially. It could just be that the police are too busy watching porn to listen to reports of rape. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2012,08:49    I refer you to G. Carlin, "Toledo Window Box": "Our thrust is to prick holes in the stiff front erected by the smut dealers. We must keep mounting an offensive to penetrate any crack in his defenses so we can to lay to rest his dominant position. We want him hung and we want fast action. Let's get on him. Let's ram through a stiff bail law..so it will be hard for him to get it up. We've got to come together so we can whip this thing into submission. It'll be hard on us, but we can’t lick it by being soft!" -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2012,09:41    Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 14 2012,08:24) Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Mar. 14 2012,00:16)     Quote (George @ Mar. 13 2012,16:17) 'Ras, I didn't know you lived in Elmhurst, IL? (Low hanging fruit, I plucks it.) apparently i am too dumb to get that one I THOUGHT YOU WERE FROM OKLAHOMO....HOMO! that straightened me out! well, that and a helpful nudge to look at point # 8 it's hard enough for me to type with the fur pads between my palms and the keyboard, now i have to worry about going blind 6 minutes and 26 second at a time -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Amadan Posts: 1337 Joined: Jan. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2012,10:18    Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Mar. 14 2012,15:41) ... with the fur pads between my palms and the keyboard... Ur Doing it RONG! -------------- "People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutations" - Densye  4-4-2011 JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

Woodbine Posts: 1218 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2012,10:58    Number of comments on the UD front-page.... 1 0 4 0 12 : (A reach around between Sal and Arrington) 0 0 0 2 1 0 3 0 : Comments off 1 0 1 2 1 9 Capital!

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2012,11:10    i'm sure salvatard just "happened" to start posting at UD again about the time that UD died -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2012,11:41    Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Mar. 14 2012,09:10) i'm sure salvatard just "happened" to start posting at UD again about the time that UD died So this is an example of rats joining a sinking ship? -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Woodbine Posts: 1218 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2012,11:44    A question for Uncommonly Dense subscribers. I've been looking for something. Unsuccessful thus far. "Design theorists are no friends of theistic evolution" Everyone knows this comment of Dembski's. And the forthcoming unholy union between Dembski and O'Leary attacking theistic evolution is set to italicise the sentiment. However.... A few years ago, Dembski, in one of his regular lapses of self-awareness, either in an interview or a posting at UD, lamented the fact that ID proponents had 'lost' the sympathies of the theistic evolutionists somewhere along the line. One of AtBC's heroic tard-miners picked up on it, promptly juxtaposed it with the above quote, and recorded it here. But I can't find it, nor Dembski's original comment. Are you that miner? Do you remember in which U-Dense thread you filed away said nugget?

Badger3k Posts: 861 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2012,12:28    Quote (JohnW @ Mar. 14 2012,11:41) Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Mar. 14 2012,09:10) i'm sure salvatard just "happened" to start posting at UD again about the time that UD died So this is an example of rats joining a sinking ship? It's a power play.  Last Tard standing (or posting) gets control.  There can be only one! Tardlander 2 - the Quickening? -------------- "Just think if every species had a different genetic code We would have to eat other humans to survive.." : Joe G

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2012,12:48    Control of what, exactly, if everybody else has left?

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2012,13:03    the soggy cracker -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2012,13:06    Quote (Henry J @ Mar. 14 2012,10:48) Control of what, exactly, if everybody else has left? :p Control of the most influential website in the dynamic field of ID studies.  One of the key reasons why ID has advanced so much - from a couple of dozen church basements to one or two church basements.  Who could turn down the chance at such a prize? -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2012,13:07    Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Mar. 14 2012,11:10) i'm sure salvatard just "happened" to start posting at UD again about the time that UD died It might be linked to him joining the prestigious Blyth Institute. He said on Teh Grauniad (well, in the comments) that he's going to start blogging there. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2012,13:21    Quote (Bob O'H @ Mar. 14 2012,14:07) Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Mar. 14 2012,11:10) i'm sure salvatard just "happened" to start posting at UD again about the time that UD died It might be linked to him joining the prestigious Blyth Institute. He said on Teh Grauniad (well, in the comments) that he's going to start blogging there. Oh, that shining beacon of inquiry? Since I hear "Blyth" I think Blackbeard I went to have a look at their "Research" page over there Quote Current Papers    Bartlett, Jonathan.  2010.  "Estimating Active Information in Adaptive Mutagenesis"   Occasional Papers of the BSG 17:2. (Poster, Slides)    Bartlett, Jonathan.  2010.  "Irreducible Complexity and Relative Irreducible Complexity: Foundations and Applications" Occasional Papers of the BSG 15:1-10.    Bartlett, Jonathan.  2009.  "Towards a Creationary Classification of Mutations" Answers Research Journal 2:169-174.    Bartlett, Jonathan.  2008.  "Statistical and Philosophical Notions of Randomness in Creation Biology" Creation Research Society Quarterly 45(2):91-99.    Bartlett, Jonathan.  2008.  "Wolfram's Complexity Classes, Relative Evolvability, Irreducible Complexity, and Domain-Specific Languages" Occasional Papers of the BSG 11:5.    Bartlett, Jonathan.  2006.  "Metaprogramming and Genomics" Occasional Papers of the BSG 8:17-18. (Poster, Slides) ALL SCIENCE SO FAR -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

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