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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2011,07:50   

depends on the dog but yes yes yes of course

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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2011,08:44   

There seems little reason not to think that there was some Rabbi named Yeshua ben Yoseph who got caught up in the then raging social and religious debates in 1st century Jerusalem- and killed by the Romans. That event did nothing to abate the internal conflicts between Jewish political factions and externally with the Romans. A generation later, an opportunist named Saul organizes a new religion out of the post 70AD revolution rubble, one that leans heavily on a convenient martyr. A few centuries later, the fragmentation of Rome's frontier added more politics, and new theologies.


Falk, Harvey
1985 “Jesus the Pharisee” New York: Paulist Press

Funk, Robert W., Roy W. Hover, The Jesus Seminar
1993  "The Five Gospels: What did Jesus really say?"  New York: Scribner

Jenkins, Philip
2010 “Jesus Wars: How Four Patriarchs, Three Queens, and Two Emperors Decided What Christians Would Believe for the Next 1,500 Years” New York: HarperCollins

Maccoby, Hyam
1986  "The Mythmaker: Paul and the Invention of Christianity"  San Francisco: HarperCollins/Barnes and Noble

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2003 “Jesus the Pharisee” London: SCM Press

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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2011,09:00   

Quote (Dr.GH @ May 03 2011,14:44)
There seems little reason not to think that there was some Rabbi named Yeshua ben Yoseph who got caught up in the then raging social and religious debates in 1st century Jerusalem- and killed by the Romans. That event did nothing to abate the internal conflicts between Jewish political factions and externally with the Romans. A generation later, an opportunist named Saul organizes a new religion out of the post 70AD revolution rubble, one that leans heavily on a convenient martyr. A few centuries later, the fragmentation of Rome's frontier added more politics, and new theologies.


Falk, Harvey
1985 “Jesus the Pharisee” New York: Paulist Press

Funk, Robert W., Roy W. Hover, The Jesus Seminar
1993  "The Five Gospels: What did Jesus really say?"  New York: Scribner

Jenkins, Philip
2010 “Jesus Wars: How Four Patriarchs, Three Queens, and Two Emperors Decided What Christians Would Believe for the Next 1,500 Years” New York: HarperCollins

Maccoby, Hyam
1986  "The Mythmaker: Paul and the Invention of Christianity"  San Francisco: HarperCollins/Barnes and Noble

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2003 “Jesus the Pharisee” London: SCM Press

I would add Life of Brian, 1973.

Sorry, I just Kw*ked myself.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2011,09:19   

Quote (Dr.GH @ May 03 2011,09:44)
There seems little reason not to think that there was some Rabbi named Yeshua ben Yoseph who got caught up in the then raging social and religious debates in 1st century Jerusalem- and killed by the Romans. That event did nothing to abate the internal conflicts between Jewish political factions and externally with the Romans. A generation later, an opportunist named Saul organizes a new religion out of the post 70AD revolution rubble, one that leans heavily on a convenient martyr. A few centuries later, the fragmentation of Rome's frontier added more politics, and new theologies.


Falk, Harvey
1985 “Jesus the Pharisee” New York: Paulist Press

Funk, Robert W., Roy W. Hover, The Jesus Seminar
1993  "The Five Gospels: What did Jesus really say?"  New York: Scribner

Jenkins, Philip
2010 “Jesus Wars: How Four Patriarchs, Three Queens, and Two Emperors Decided What Christians Would Believe for the Next 1,500 Years” New York: HarperCollins

Maccoby, Hyam
1986  "The Mythmaker: Paul and the Invention of Christianity"  San Francisco: HarperCollins/Barnes and Noble

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2003 “Jesus the Pharisee” London: SCM Press

I'd throw in a few other of Maccoby's books, Revolution in Judea, and Judas Iscariot and the Myth of Jewish Evil, as good reads. They aren't heavyweight academic writing by any means, but make excellent points. SGF Brandon's older (1967) and more academic Jesus and the Zealots also gives more texture to the fractured and politicized Jewish religous background of 1st century Palestine.

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2011,09:38   

it's depressing to consider, in the full global context of the history of the human lineage, how much time and energy has been dedicated to this happy horseshit

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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2011,10:41   

In 4011 they'll be banging on about L.Ron Hubbard.

Plus ca change....

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2011,11:12   

CLAVDIVS tries to educate the IDiots on junk DNA:

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Hi Joseph @ 10

   You can’t falsify what you cannot test.

Sure. But what the OP stated is “Darwinist prediction [non-coding DNA is useless junk] proved false”.

After looking into to it, its clear to me that mainstream biologists have expected non-coding DNA to have functions for decades (see #7 above).

And the quotes in the OP from Sagan, Dawkins et al. state only that “some” or “most” non-coding DNA is useless junk. Logically, then, they allow at least “some” non-coding DNA to have a function.

So, I’m not seeing the any prediction that’s been falsified.

Cheers


Now compare that to BA77:
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CLAVDIVS, you state;

‘So I don’t think the situation is quite so black and white as you paint it. Some biologists clearly thought non-coding DNA had some function.’

CLAVDIVS since neo-Darwinists could not provide a convincing case from the fossil evidence for human evolution,,,


Shorter BA77: I have no counter argument, let me bullshit,,,

WTF is up with three commas in a row?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2011,11:19   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,May 03 2011,07:38)
it's depressing to consider, in the full global context of the history of the human lineage, how much time and energy has been dedicated to this happy horseshit

We are social apes with very large brains. Politics, and "are hallucinations real?" are our two major entertainments. ("Are you going to eat that?," and "Wanttafuck?" are our two major occupations).

Edited by Dr.GH on May 03 2011,09:20

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2011,11:34   

Quote (Dr.GH @ May 03 2011,12:19)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,May 03 2011,07:38)
it's depressing to consider, in the full global context of the history of the human lineage, how much time and energy has been dedicated to this happy horseshit

We are social apes with very large brains. Politics, and "are hallucinations real?" are our two major entertainments. ("Are you going to eat that?," and "Wanttafuck?" are our two major occupations).

totally.  but this particular hallucination is one of the most fucking boring hallucinations of them all.  yet has the most ink wasted on it.  i like breach birth cosmologies.  amazing how that is repeated throughout world traditions.   The jesus/lucifer dichotomy has so much potential for the sorts of Otherness Tales that go along with the breech birth narratives, but all that fertile fruit dies on the sterile ground of platonic and pauline christianity

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2011,11:53   

Quote (Dr.GH @ May 03 2011,11:19)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,May 03 2011,07:38)
it's depressing to consider, in the full global context of the history of the human lineage, how much time and energy has been dedicated to this happy horseshit

We are social apes with very large brains. Politics, and "are hallucinations real?" are our two major entertainments. ("Are you going to eat that?," and "Wanttafuck?" are our two major occupations).

Damn Dr GH, That is near .sig-worthy.

-DU-

Edited to fix attribution. Kw*kfail.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2011,12:22   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,May 03 2011,11:34)
 
Quote (Dr.GH @ May 03 2011,12:19)
   
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,May 03 2011,07:38)
it's depressing to consider, in the full global context of the history of the human lineage, how much time and energy has been dedicated to this happy horseshit

We are social apes with very large brains. Politics, and "are hallucinations real?" are our two major entertainments. ("Are you going to eat that?," and "Wanttafuck?" are our two major occupations).

totally.  but this particular hallucination is one of the most fucking boring hallucinations of them all.  yet has the most ink wasted on it.  i like breach birth cosmologies.  amazing how that is repeated throughout world traditions.   The jesus/lucifer dichotomy has so much potential for the sorts of Otherness Tales that go along with the breech birth narratives, but all that fertile fruit dies on the sterile ground of platonic and pauline christianity

So...could the argument be made that religion, along with many other things (such as writing/accounting, bureaucracy, class division, slave labor, etc.) came about or underwent a major escoteric change due to the creation of foodstuff surplus? Somehow I cannot imagine a hunter-gatherer community worried about how there never being a body in the first place is more "implausible" than someone bragging that he killed a hippo all by himself, then felt sorry for it and breathed life back into it, which is why he alone did not show up with meat for the tribe that night, and his family has to eat bushes instead. :p

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2011,12:23   

MARXIST!

lol even if that is true (religious beliefs are built from social capital derived from surplus production, and shit it probably is at least to some degree anyway) it still doesn't explain why this particular religious belief has been so overanalyzed and others have not.

i'm content to call it "taker-guilt" and go back to mocking them ruthlessly.  freedom can't be free when you have to live under other people's social norms

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

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I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2011,12:52   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ May 03 2011,09:38)

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it's depressing to consider, in the full global context of the history of the human lineage, how much time and energy has been dedicated to this happy horseshit


Sure, but if you consider how long "goddidit" was the only answer, is it really any wonder that it's going to take some time for the species to get away from the meme entirely? I mean, consider that we've only had the "+", "-", and "=" signs since around the 1500s, and you can begin to appreciate how recent our concepts and analysis of the "rational world" are.

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Robin



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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2011,13:06   

[quote=Erasmus, FCD,May 03 2011,12:23][/quote]
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...it still doesn't explain why this particular religious belief has been so overanalyzed and others have not.


In reading a bit of the history on the subject, I see it as very much a model of selection in action - Christianity (or whatever you wish to call it) was (and is) useful as a mechanism of social and political control. Coupled with the environment in which Christianity developed (Western Europe; it only began as a spark in the Middle-east) it was the tool that was most successful. Other religions may well have have had similar elements, but were out-competed  by European churchs' and political leaders choice of Christianity, thus weren't as advantageous in their respective environments.

That's an oversimplification, but it certainly explains Christianity's apparent arbitrary dominance. Keep in mind that this dominance is just now beginning to fade and that by most projections, Islam will surpass Christianity around 2020 something. So your grand kids can look forward to similar discussions involving Allah's influence and how many virgins in paradise can dance on the head of a pin.

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Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2011,15:54   

Quote (Kristine @ May 03 2011,10:22)
So...could the argument be made that religion, along with many other things (such as writing/accounting, bureaucracy, class division, slave labor, etc.) came about or underwent a major escoteric change due to the creation of foodstuff surplus? Somehow I cannot imagine a hunter-gatherer community worried about how there never being a body in the first place is more "implausible" than someone bragging that he killed a hippo all by himself, then felt sorry for it and breathed life back into it, which is why he alone did not show up with meat for the tribe that night, and his family has to eat bushes instead. :p

Absolutely! The invention of agriculture did two critical things- it tied people to one place, and it produced surplus food that could support specialists. Some were fighters, others craftsmen, and the administration/control functions became the specialty of a priesthood.

Hunter/gatherer religions were elaborated by the elderly after they were largely unable to contribute economically. Keeping old people around was useful in a merely material sense as they could serve as memories of unusual events, and potential responses.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2011,16:33   

Jonathan Wells has a new book out:



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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2011,17:06   

Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ May 03 2011,16:33)
Jonathan Wells has a new book out:


And already these bomba-Osama-no-thanky-Obama characters have hopped on teh Amazon! (Amazon.com, that is.)

Naturally Gnus and Snooze offers a peeky at the introduction:

 
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That view has turned out to be spectacularly wrong. Since 1990--and especially after completion of the Human Genome Project in 2003--many hundreds of articles have appeared in the scientific literature documenting the various functions of non-protein coding DNA, and more are being published every week.

Ironically, even after evidence for the functionality of non-protein coding DNA began flooding into the scientific literature, some leading apologists for Darwinian evolution ratcheted up claims that "junk DNA" provides evidence for their theory and evidence against intelligent design. Since 2004, biologists Richard Dawkins, Douglas Futuyma, Kenneth Miller, Jerry Coyne and John Avise have published books using this argument. So have philosopher of science Philip Kitcher and historian of science Michael Shermer. So has Francis Collins, former head of the Human Genome Project and present director of the National Institutes of Health, despite the fact that he co-authored some of the scientific articles providing evidence against "junk DNA."

These authors claim to speak for "science," but they have actually been promoting an anti-scientific myth that ignores the evidence and relies on theological speculations instead. For the sake of science, it's time to expose the myth for what it is.


Okay, let's take this at face value: And how many hundreds of articles have been "flooding" the scientific literature documenting the supposed veracity of intelligent design? Well, we all know the answer, folks - zippity doo-dah. So suddenly they put their trust in the evidence, now?

Whereas, there have also been a flood of papers, some of them dumped under Behe's nose at the Kitzmiller trial, documenting the evolution of the bacterial flagellum, and what did Behe, Dembski & the other ID merry men say to that?

Dear John - go look in the mirror, buddy.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2011,17:09   

Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ May 04 2011,00:00)
Quote (Dr.GH @ May 03 2011,14:44)
There seems little reason not to think that there was some Rabbi named Yeshua ben Yoseph who got caught up in the then raging social and religious debates in 1st century Jerusalem- and killed by the Romans. That event did nothing to abate the internal conflicts between Jewish political factions and externally with the Romans. A generation later, an opportunist named Saul organizes a new religion out of the post 70AD revolution rubble, one that leans heavily on a convenient martyr. A few centuries later, the fragmentation of Rome's frontier added more politics, and new theologies.


Falk, Harvey
1985 “Jesus the Pharisee” New York: Paulist Press

Funk, Robert W., Roy W. Hover, The Jesus Seminar
1993  "The Five Gospels: What did Jesus really say?"  New York: Scribner

Jenkins, Philip
2010 “Jesus Wars: How Four Patriarchs, Three Queens, and Two Emperors Decided What Christians Would Believe for the Next 1,500 Years” New York: HarperCollins

Maccoby, Hyam
1986  "The Mythmaker: Paul and the Invention of Christianity"  San Francisco: HarperCollins/Barnes and Noble

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2003 “Jesus the Pharisee” London: SCM Press

I would add Life of Brian, 1973.

Sorry, I just Kw*ked myself.

I think that this is the simplest solution and the one that I like but given the lack of contemporary evidence and of the other theories could be also true.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2011,17:14   

Humph. The evidence against ID is simply that it doesn't explain anything.

For a hypothesis to explain something, the something has to be a logical consequence following logically from that hypothesis, and that is unexpected if that hypothesis is wrong.

ID doesn't do that; nothing in particular follows logically from the hypothesis that something was deliberately engineered, that doesn't also follow logically from evolution theory as currently formulated.

QED.

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2011,17:37   

Awww - Upright BiPed hearts StephenB:
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StephenB “wins” just about every time he touches his keypad.

I, for one, am glad he spends his time here.

I can't imagine a nicer couple.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2011,17:42   

Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ May 03 2011,16:33)
Jonathan Wells has a new book out:


I'm not sure I would write a book called 'Junk'.


Much less a book about junk in the trunk...

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2011,17:49   

aaaah shit that's all they have you know.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2011,18:25   

Quote (Ptaylor @ May 04 2011,08:37)
Awww - Upright BiPed hearts StephenB:  
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StephenB “wins” just about every time he touches his keypad.

I, for one, am glad he spends his time here.

I can't imagine a nicer couple.

Yes wins in a heavily moderated blog where he doesn't dare to step outside.

Cue "Brave Sir Robin"

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2011,21:32   

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I always use the evotards words against them. And yes I mock your tactics. It is the best way to go!

Absotively! That avoids the effort of thinking up a reply that makes sense and addresses the subject matter.

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2011,22:38   

Quote (Ptaylor @ May 03 2011,17:37)
Awww - Upright BiPed hearts StephenB:      
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StephenB “wins” just about every time he touches his keypad.

Sounds like UB is watching StephenB enjoying some venturesome autoerotic technique.


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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2011,22:52   

^^ 2 posts POTW, bothem

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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2011,23:39   

Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ May 03 2011,11:12)
WTF is up with three commas in a row?

That's BatShit's way of indicating a long, dramatic pause.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2011,00:06   

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WTF is up with three commas in a row?

That's BatShit's way of indicating a long, dramatic pause.

it's almost ritual though.  what a fucking freak

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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2011,03:01   

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Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ May 03 2011,11:12)
WTF is up with three commas in a row?

That's BatShit's way of indicating a long, dramatic pause.

it's almost ritual though.  what a fucking freak

Remember when he was behind a fire wall and all the possibly "naughty" words had "^" inserted into them?  Like, "I'm c^ming."

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2011,05:49   

vjtorley has Yet Another Post.    4000+ words.  Apparently in New Zealand / Australia, they give degrees depending on the number of words, not their quality.

It's about The Problem of Evil.  Not much new.

Highlight: "For the purposes of this post, then, I’m going to assume that the Ultimate Designer is God, and that He not only designed the cosmos but maintains it in existence."

Yeah, we figured you would do that.

  
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