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The Ghost of Paley Posts: 1703 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2006,14:38    Hostel This is a film about a couple of naive American evolutionists--and an utterly clueless Scandanavian who can't keep his drawers on--disgusted with the remnants of Judeo-Christian morality in their country, take a trip to Europe in order to enjoy the illicit pleasures evolutionary morality has to offer. However, when arriving at a Czech Hostel, they find out the true meaning of Darwinian values. Without giving away too much of the plot, our heroes find themselves in a situation where they become the objects of pleasure of true evolutionists uninfluenced by the Judeo-Christian tradition. Its very graphic and ugly, but this film is an ideal dramatic deptiction of Darwin's legacy in the soul of early 21st century Europeans. This is a must-see for evolutionists and Christians alike! -------------- Dey can't 'andle my riddim.

Faid Posts: 1143 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2006,15:09    ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ -------------- A look into DAVE HAWKINS' sense of honesty: "The truth is that ALL mutations REDUCE information" "...mutations can add information to a genome.  And remember, I have never said that this is not possible."

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4991 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2006,16:09    I suggest at least trying to come close to the topic of this board in the future. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2006,16:13    What's the explicit topic of the board?

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2006,16:17    -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2006,16:23    that's a big topic

Ved Posts: 398 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2006,16:25    "Passion" was better. Mel Gibson is a genius. I haven't seen either film.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2006,16:26    It would be nice if we had a site for the PT community without any restrictions. There's a lot of value in discussing off-topic things with the community of smart people here.

Crabby Appleton Posts: 250 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2006,18:08    "Silly, bloody nonsense that should appeal to hormonally challenged teens." Pretty much says it all.

Faid Posts: 1143 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2006,22:51    ZZZZZZZZZZZHuh what who hormonally challenged teens what ...Oh I see nevermindZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ -------------- A look into DAVE HAWKINS' sense of honesty: "The truth is that ALL mutations REDUCE information" "...mutations can add information to a genome.  And remember, I have never said that this is not possible."

Shirley Knott Posts: 148 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 08 2006,02:41    I for one am so glad to see that even though he is too busy to complete on his many promises to  us, GoP at least looks after his health sufficiently to take movie breaks. Of course, that does rather make his commitments rather questionable -- quite in line with everything else he's up to. Apparently, a typical Christian -- consistently boorish, ignorant, immoral, and thoroughly contemptible. hugs, Shirley Knott

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 08 2006,04:51    Yes I agree. Torqemada and his pals were a real bunch of evolutionists....mmmm.....uh huh....oh yeah....gimme more of that old time horseshyte GOP.....mmmm it sure tastes good don't it? Oh wait, are they not TRUE christians? Can I here Hamish galloping up the drive? Make with the geocentrism and stop the sideline bollocks please. I am chuckling away watching you abuse Mathematica (and I'm not even a mathematician) and pretend that vague references to quantised red shift imply that we are at the centre of concentric circles of expansion. Oh please. Two words: Michelson Morley. Cheers Louis P.S. Has anyone else seen Animal House? "Your Delta Tau Chi name is......Flounder!, if that ain't appropriate in every way for GOP, I'll be a monkey's uncle! -------------- Bye.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 08 2006,06:22    Aren't you supposed to be working on your scientific 'proofs', GoP? I don't think you've convinced anyone here of geocentricity, yet. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

cogzoid Posts: 234 Joined: Sep. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 08 2006,08:29    Paley exposes his ideas in this post, however.  And it's something that I think is worth discussing.  Now, I haven't seen Hostel, but the previews make it look dark and disturbing.  Paley is attempting to connect the depravity of the characters/situations with evolution. I for one, am curious as to where he gets these ideas.  Why does he think that people take their morals and ethics from a scientific theory?  Further, how does he know which scientific theory they got their morals from?  Perhaps they were angry heliocentrists.  Disillusioned general relativists? Let's face it, this meme is a dangerous one.  Paley is attempting to conflate a lack of morals with a trust in the scientific method.  He, of course, uses the subtle propaganda method of mentioning these ideas (without backing any of it up) and hoping that people that read such drivel won't think about it on their own.  It's amazing how easily people are swayed by ideas like this.  Especially in the bible study group Paley attends, where he is clearly the dominant, intelligent, and influential leader.  I'm not suprised that he would stoop to such levels, but I'm no less disappointed.

Spike Posts: 49 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 08 2006,12:24    Well, it's the exact same schtick used by Hovind, Ham and The Wedge: Belief in evolution has led the West into depravity. (The East has always been depraved to the extent that they are not Xtian).

Mr_Christopher Posts: 1238 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 08 2006,12:27    I guess the Handmaid's Tale is a good example of a Christian values movie. Speaking of religious movies..What was the name of that Christian snuff film put out by Mel Gibson a few years back?  I missed that one.  Hey you gotta draw the line somewhere... -------------- Uncommon Descent is a moral cesspool, a festering intellectual ghetto that intoxicates and degrades its inhabitants - Stephen Matheson

American Saddlebred Posts: 111 Joined: May 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 08 2006,12:59    I can't believe you sat through that piece of crap movie.  Aren't you like the...Issac Newton of information theory?  Did you bump into Richard Dawkins on his way to see Date Movie?  You could've at least picked Ice Age 2: The Meltdown.

The Ghost of Paley Posts: 1703 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,09:29    Mr. Elsberry - has anyone complained about not being able to modify their posts? -------------- Dey can't 'andle my riddim.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,09:34    Too bad we can't put some kind of model filter in Paley's way. Anytime Paley tried to post, this hypothetical filter would evaluate the post for a legitimate scientific model. Any post which wasn't a model would be discarded. We'd never hear from Paley again.

The Ghost of Paley Posts: 1703 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,10:05    Test -------------- Dey can't 'andle my riddim.

MidnightVoice Posts: 380 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,10:19    Christian film rated PG http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=23426 The Motion Picture Association of America is crystal clear when it describes why its "PG" rating exists -- it's a warning flag. "The theme of a PG-rated film may itself call for parental guidance," the online explanation of the rating system states. "There may be some profanity in these films. There may be some violence or brief nudity. ... The PG rating, suggesting parental guidance, is thus an alert for examination of a film by parents before deciding on its viewing by their children. Obviously such a line is difficult to draw." Disagreements are a given. The Christian moviemakers behind a low-budget film called "Facing the Giants" were stunned when the MPAA pinned a PG rating on their gentle movie about a burned-out, depressed football coach whose life -- on and off the field -- takes a miraculous turn for the better. "What the MPAA said is that the movie contained strong 'thematic elements' that might disturb some parents," -------------- If I fly the coop some time And take nothing but a grip With the few good books that really count It's a necessary trip I'll be gone with the girl in the gold silk jacket The girl with the pearl-driller's hands

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,11:03    Paley- make sure you have cookies enabled in your browser; I often disable them when surfing the net, and forget to re-enable them for sites that I frequent. If still no go, try deleting the cookie for this site, logging out and logging in again and see if that works. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

The Ghost of Paley Posts: 1703 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,11:29    Quote Paley- make sure you have cookies enabled in your browser; I often disable them when surfing the net, and forget to re-enable them for sites that I frequent. If still no go, try deleting the cookie for this site, logging out and logging in again and see if that works. Thanks. Nothing seems to work; methinks this particular library is the culprit. Their "Internet Options" probably deletes the cookies. Funny thing - I seem to remember editing posts before at this location.... -------------- Dey can't 'andle my riddim.

The Ghost of Paley Posts: 1703 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,11:41    Midnight Voice - thanks for the link. I actually think the PG rating's a good thing in this case. Aren't adult-oriented movies usually given a PG regardless of content? I seem to remember that was the rule at one time. Well, being British you might not know. Arden - yes, I'm working. I plan to explain in more detail why the existence of redshift, in and of itself, doesn't harm my model. I will then destroy another one of Eric's evidences. By the way, on this thread (and only on this thread, Wes!), I will discuss another film soon. -------------- Dey can't 'andle my riddim.

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,11:44    well, I see no problems with the code or the ability to edit posts on this end. It suggests something has changed on your end. did you recently upgrade or change your browser? try a different browser and see what happens. Quote Their "Internet Options" probably deletes the cookies. Funny thing - I seem to remember editing posts before at this location.... oops, missed that bit. It would make sense that they would disable cookies entirely; maybe they finally reconfigured the browser to do so? ask the propietor if you can enable cookies temporarily? -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

The Ghost of Paley Posts: 1703 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,11:53    Quote It would make sense that they would disable cookies entirely; maybe they finally reconfigured the browser to do so? ask the propietor if you can enable cookies temporarily? Unfortunately, they're about ready to close. Let me try another forum. It was down earlier, but maybe it's up now... -------------- Dey can't 'andle my riddim.

improvius Posts: 807 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,12:13    More detailed info on "Giants". This looks pretty #### funny.  I like this part, emphasis mine: Quote The movie includes waves of answered prayers, a medical miracle, a mysterious silver-haired mystic who delivers a message from God and a bench-warmer who kicks a 51-yard field goal to win the big game when his handicapped father pulls himself out of a wheelchair and stands under the goal post to inspire his son's faith. There's a prayer-driven gust of wind in there, too. -------------- Quote (afdave @ Oct. 02 2006,18:37) Many Jews were in comfortable oblivion about Hitler ... until it was too late. Many scientists will persist in comfortable oblivion about their Creator ... until it is too late.

MidnightVoice Posts: 380 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 11 2006,08:43    Quote (The Ghost of Paley @ June 10 2006,16:41) Midnight Voice - thanks for the link. I actually think the PG rating's a good thing in this case. Aren't adult-oriented movies usually given a PG regardless of content? I seem to remember that was the rule at one time. The Motion Picture Association of America is crystal clear when it describes why its "PG" rating exists -- it's a warning flag. "The theme of a PG-rated film may itself call for parental guidance," the online explanation of the rating system states. "There may be some profanity in these films. There may be some violence or brief nudity. ... The PG rating, suggesting parental guidance, is thus an alert for examination of a film by parents before deciding on its viewing by their children. Obviously such a line is difficult to draw." And what makes you think I am British? -------------- If I fly the coop some time And take nothing but a grip With the few good books that really count It's a necessary trip I'll be gone with the girl in the gold silk jacket The girl with the pearl-driller's hands

Chris Hyland Posts: 705 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 12 2006,06:47    Evolutionsim? You seem to be trying very hard to convince people on this forum that you're just a troll. Also assuming that the teaching of evolution is responsible for all the worlds ills, what on earth has that got to do with whether or not it is true?

The Ghost of Paley Posts: 1703 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 12 2006,14:58    By the way, Mr. Murphy, I recently scraped up some cash to purchase a season's worth of Columbo episodes. The inverted mystery plot construction, along with the fantastic performances, keeps the show fresh. One of the few TV shows to have aged well, in my opinion -- although I was too young to appreciate the show during its original run. -------------- Dey can't 'andle my riddim.

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