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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: July 02 2013,12:59   

I asked the recipents for permission.

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

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(Permalink) Posted: July 02 2013,14:08   

Quote (sparc @ Mar. 08 2012,22:43)
Does anybody know Jonathan D.H. Smith from Iowa State University? According to his web pages (link) he contributed to BI:NP
 
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Hierarchical information theory and the modeling of biological systems, pp. 419-512 in "Biological Information: New Perspectives" (eds. R.J. Marks II et al.), Springer Intelligent Systems Reference Library, Berlin, 2012.

He even provides a link to a copy of the article.

Interesting - he didn't make it into the final version. Although he is listed on the German Amazon page. And it's not the only one...

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(Permalink) Posted: July 02 2013,14:19   

Quote (sparc @ Mar. 10 2012,00:00)
Another BI:NP talk was from J Scott Turner, Professor at the State University of New York, Syracuse, College of Environmental Sciences and Forestry, Department of Environmental and Forest Biology:
 
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A Multiplicity of Memory. Toward a Coherent Theory of Adaptation.
Biological Information—New Perspectives. Cornell University. June 2011
According to his CV it was an invited presentation.

For a start here's what Jeffrey Shallit had to say about Turner back in 2007.

(cross posted at PT)

ETA: based on another source PT already listed him as a contributor to BI:NP

Turner's chapter is also not in the final version (and isn't on the German Amazon either).

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(Permalink) Posted: July 13 2013,11:49   

At last, we have a discussion about one of the articles at Uncommon Descent: Winston Ewert reacted to some questions which I raised at my blog about William Dembski's, Winston Ewert's and Robert Marks's article "A General Theory of Information Cost Incurred by Successful Search". Any thoughts?

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 16 2013,13:08   

Seemingly World Scientific is going to publish another ID book:  
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Intelligible Design: A Realistic Approach to the Philosophy and History of Science

Paul Braterman has more on his excellent Old Earth - Young Earth Blog. And he has good reasons to be interested in these issues:  
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I would not wish to share a publisher with a crypto-creationist manifesto.


ETA I am not sure if the title really implies ID

Edited by sparc on July 16 2013,14:30

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 16 2013,14:47   

One chapter of Intelligible Design: A Realistic Approach to the Philosophy and History of Science is availble at arxiv.org:
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Fernando Sols: Uncertainty, incompleteness, chance, and design
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He starts by citing Dembski and claims that there is a contoversy:
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In this often unnecessarily bitter controversy, chance plus natural selection on the one hand and intelligent design on the other hand, compete as possible driving mechanisms behind the progress of species.


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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 16 2013,15:33   

Quote (sparc @ July 16 2013,14:47)
One chapter of Intelligible Design: A Realistic Approach to the Philosophy and History of Science is availble at arxiv.org:
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Fernando Sols: Uncertainty, incompleteness, chance, and design
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He starts by citing Dembski and claims that there is a contoversy:
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In this often unnecessarily bitter controversy, chance plus natural selection on the one hand and intelligent design on the other hand, compete as possible driving mechanisms behind the progress of species.

I think it makes sense in the way it's framed. He argues that we can't ultimately ascribe chance to any event (which is fine), and thus he allows for a Designer, albeit one that can't be refuted. It's sort-of interesting, but doesn't really help ID, as he argues that its ultimately not scientific, because it can't be refuted: essentially, a Designer can create something that looks random.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 16 2013,19:10   

Quote (Bob O'H @ July 16 2013,13:33)
(snip)essentially, a Designer can create something that looks random.

Woodcarver: "I made this. It used to be round."
Frank Burns: "It looks like a two-by-four."
Woodcarver: "Thank you."

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(Permalink) Posted: July 16 2013,22:17   

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essentially, a Designer can create something that looks random.

Well of course. Human engineers can do that. And, a skilled designer could "design" something to follow some set of constraints even if those constraints are optional (for that designer). But in that case, somebody studying the result might as well make use of those constraints in any endeavors to figure out what comes next.

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Frank Burns: "It looks like a two-by-four."

"Good bye, Ferret face." - B.J.

(But don't ask what "B.J." stands for!;)

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 16 2013,22:53   

Quote (Bob O'H @ July 16 2013,15:33)
Quote (sparc @ July 16 2013,14:47)
One chapter of Intelligible Design: A Realistic Approach to the Philosophy and History of Science is availble at arxiv.org:  
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Fernando Sols: Uncertainty, incompleteness, chance, and design
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He starts by citing Dembski and claims that there is a contoversy:  
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In this often unnecessarily bitter controversy, chance plus natural selection on the one hand and intelligent design on the other hand, compete as possible driving mechanisms behind the progress of species.

I think it makes sense in the way it's framed. He argues that we can't ultimately ascribe chance to any event (which is fine), and thus he allows for a Designer, albeit one that can't be refuted. It's sort-of interesting, but doesn't really help ID, as he argues that its ultimately not scientific, because it can't be refuted: essentially, a Designer can create something that looks random.

Sounds catholic to me.

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

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(Permalink) Posted: July 17 2013,03:23   

Quote (Henry J @ July 16 2013,22:17)
 
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essentially, a Designer can create something that looks random.

Well of course. Human engineers can do that. And, a skilled designer could "design" something to follow some set of constraints even if those constraints are optional (for that designer). But in that case, somebody studying the result might as well make use of those constraints in any endeavors to figure out what comes next.

 
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Frank Burns: "It looks like a two-by-four."

"Good bye, Ferret face." - B.J.

(But don't ask what "B.J." stands for!)

Henry

There was an episode where they actually did say what B. J. stands for. As it happens, B. J. was named after his aunt Bea, and his uncle Jay. I am not making this up…

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 17 2013,14:33   

Yup, that sounds like what I remember, now that you mention it.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2013,01:29   

Amazon's August BI:NP sales may result in a new record:



Impressing. Especially, the willingness to support the ID movement financially. Therefore, I nominate this buyer for IDURC's Casey Luskin Award 2011. BTW, did anybody hear anything about the Intelligent Design Undergraduate Research Center lately?

ETA link

Edited by sparc on Aug. 12 2013,13:50

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2013,14:40   

Somebody realized that BI:NP indeed needs some help:        
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Scientific Proceedings Published, Challenging Conventional Neo-Darwinian Theory

"This is by far the most rigorous and in-depth re-examination of the sufficiency ofneo-Darwinian theory. Never have so many well-credentialed scientists, representing so many disciplines, united so effectively to look beyondthe standardmutation-selection paradigm." - The Editors

WACO, Texas, Aug. 12, 2013 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- World Scientific Publishing has just released the proceedings of a symposium held in the spring of 2011, where a diverse group of scientists gathered at Cornell University to critically re-examine neo-Darwinian theory. This symposium brought together experts in information theory, computer science, numerical simulation, thermodynamics, evolutionary theory, whole organism biology, developmental biology, molecular biology, genetics, physics, biophysics, mathematics, and linguistics.

This is a milestone book. For over 100 years, it has been very widely believed that the mutation/selection process is sufficient to explain virtually everything within the biological realm. The 29 contributors to this volume bring into serious question this neo-Darwinian paradigm. They use their wide-ranging expertise to carefully examine a series of fundamental theoretical problems that are now emerging.These problems all relate to the exploding field ofbiological information. Biological information is becoming the primary focus of 21stcentury biological research. Within each cell there are information systems surpassing the best human information technologies. These systems create what is essentially a biological internet within each cell. The authors, although holding diverse philosophical perspectives, unanimously agree that the mutation/selection process is not adequate to explain the labyrinth of informational networks that are essential for life.

Several clear themes emerged from the research papers within this volume: 1) Information is indispensable to our understanding of what life is; 2) Biological information is more than the molecular structures that embody it; 3) Conventional chemical and evolutionary mechanisms are insufficient to fully explain the labyrinth of information that is life.

The book, Biological Information – New Perspectives, was edited by R. Marks, M. Behe, W. Dembski, B. Gordon, and J. Sanford. This volume presents 24 technical papers summarizing the research findings of 29 contributing scientists. The 24 technical papers are open access, and can be freely downloaded from http://www.worldscientific.com/worldsc....8#t=toc . Additional information about the book is available at the same site. The book is available from World Scientific Publishing, Amazon.com, and FMSpub.org.

Source: FMS Foundation, sponsor of the proceedings. For more information contact Dr. Robert Marks at Baylor University ([...]).

SOURCE FMS Foundation


Too bad, that announcing the free download pages won't help to sell more books.

Initially I misread the foundations name for FSM. I don't know what FMS stands for but Flying Monster Spaghettis seems unlikely. Since there is nothing but BI:NP on the foundation's pages it seems likely that its sole purpose is to promote BI:NP without linking it to sites where the link to ID-creationism would be instantly obvious. As a Google search for BI:NP limited to the last 24 hours resulted in 10 pages with news articles just copied from FMS's above cited press release this strategy might work.

whois identified Jimmie Pamplin as the site's registrant who is also the page owner of
logosresearchassociates.org which has the following statement on its openening page:  
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Who are we?

We are a fellowship of scholars and scientists who faithfully hold to the teachings of Jesus Christ and all of his Word, and also faithfully hold to the scientific method and the need for scientific integrity.
What is our goal?

As Ambassadors for Christ we seek to encourage others to believe in Jesus, to faithfully and deliberately believe what Jesus taught, and to believe God’s revealed Word – the Bible – which is the power of God to salvation. We use scholarship, logic, and the scientific method to show that the historical claims of the Bible are not only credible, but are superior to evolutionary theory to explain the origin of the world we see. We freely acknowledge our own fallibility, the inherent limits of “historical science”, and the need for “faith” by adherents of any view about ultimate origins. We urge all people to NOT put their faith in us, or any other form of human authority, but ultimately to put their faith in Jesus Christ.
How can we help you?

There is a great deal of misinformation, deception, and confusion surrounding the origins debate, which should not surprise us, as this is a key spiritual battleground. We at Logos do not have all the answers, but we can offer you strong, logical, and scientific reasons to embrace Biblical history. A large part of accepting Biblical history is rejecting what is popularly taught as “evolutionary history”. Evolutionary theory can now largely be discredited, and we can show you this to be true. We stand by Christ’s claim when He said “I am the Truth”. Are you seeking the Truth? Then we have information which can help you!
What do we do?

As scholars and scientists we delve deeply into the scientific controversies which affect Christian belief and unbelief. We are doing high quality original research that can challenge many academic dogmas of our day – in areas such as cosmology, geology, genetics, and archeology. We are building national and international collaborative research teams. We wish to effectively communicate our findings, and the findings of others, to people like you.
What can you do?

Please consider our evidences. Please be encouraged in your Christian faith. Please decide to be more faithful to Christ – by deliberately choosing to believe Him, and follow Him. If you are a scholar or scientist, share our vision, and feel you can contribute to our work – please contact us by

   email at logosresearchassociates@gmail.com, or

   phone (714) 425-9474, or

   write to: Logos Research Associates, 3232 W. MacArthur Blvd, Santa Ana, CA 92704

If you wish to contribute financially to this unique ministry, please know we very much need your support. Please see our donations page.


Here's what logos says about Pamplin:  
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Jim Pamplin

B.A. (Biology)

Secretary-Treasurer of Logos Research Associates, Senior Ambassador

Active in creation science circles, Jim became acquainted with a number of Bible-believing scientists. When several found themselves displaced from the research they loved, Jim introduced them to Pastor Chuck Smith of Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa.  After prayerful consideration and with encouragement from Pastor Chuck and the Calvary Chapel board, the group incorporated as Logos Research Associates.  Jim now serves Logos as office administrator, (i.e., paper-shuffler/pencil-pusher/bean-counter).


ETA link to wikipedia article on Pastor Chuck Smith

ETA link to Google search for "Scientific Proceedings Published, Challenging Conventional Neo-Darwinian Theory"

Edited by sparc on Aug. 13 2013,14:50

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2013,20:37   

Logos Research Associates is the fruitcake of creationism!  Chock full of crackpots and nuts.

Our pal Coppedge is a member, as is Steve Austin and others.  A Who's Who of Loons.

Brilliant idea.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2013,22:46   

Sanford, Coppedge and colleagues surely appreciate the science friendly atmosphere open for discussion Pastor Chuck Smith and his Calvary Chapel provide.

edited for spelling

Edited by sparc on Aug. 13 2013,03:49

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2013,22:49   

Just wondering why user RJMarksII felt the need to add himself, Dembski, Behe, Gauger and Axe to wikipedia's article on the Erdös-Bacon number.
Maybe to let Biological Information: New Perspectives and other ID papers appear as serious scientific sources for once. Although in a hidden remote place of the internet only. Since the following bit Marks added was later removed Axe and Gauger cannot be found in the current entry anymore:    
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Electrical engineer Robert J. Marks II appeared in Ben Stein's movie ''Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed''. Stein appeared with Bacon in ''Planes, Trains and Automobiles'' giving Marks a Bacon number of two. Marks has published with Donald C. Wunch II (D.C. Wunsch II, T.P. Caudell, C.D. Capps, R.J. Marks II and R. A. Falk, "An optoelectronic implementation of the adaptive resonance neural network", IEEE Transactions on Neural Networks, vol.4, no.4, pp.673-684 (1993)) who published with Frank Harary (Harary, Frank; Lim, Meng-Hiot; Agarwal, Amit; Wunsch, Donald C. Algorithms for derivation of structurally stable Hamiltonian signed graphs. Int. J. Comput. Math. 81 (2004), no. 11, 1349—1356) who has coauthored with Erd?s. Marks therefore has an Erd?s number of three and Erd?s–Bacon number of five. Intelligent design proponent William A. Dembski also appeared in Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed|Expelled. He has published with Marks William A. Dembski and Robert J. Marks II "Conservation of Information in Search: Measuring the Cost of Success" IEEE Transactions on Systems, Man and Cybernetics A, Systems & Humans, vol.5, #5, September 2009, pp.1051-1061) and therefore has an Erd?s–Bacon number of six. Biologist Ann K. Gauger has also published with Marks (Winston Ewert, William A. Dembski, Ann K. Gauger, Robert J. Marks II. "Time and Information in Evolution," Biocomplexity, vol 2012, #4, pp.1-7) giving her an Erd?s number of 4. Gauger appeared in the documentary ''Metamorphosis'' ( MetamorphosisTheFilm.com) which also starred Paul Nelson (creationist) Paul Nelson who, like Marks, appeared in the movie Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed Expelled. Gauger's Bacon number is therefore 3 and her Erd?s–Bacon number is 7. Biologist Douglas D. Axe has published with Gauger (Ann K. Gauger and Douglas D. Axe. "The Evolutionary Accessibility of New Enzymes Functions: A Case Study from the Biotin Pathway," Biocomplexity, Volume 2011, #1 pp. 1-17) and appeared in Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed|Expelled also giving him a Erd?s(2)–Bacon(5) number of 7.
(all wikipedia tags and links removed, references italicized, emphasis mine)

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2013,09:16   

EN&V just reproduced the press released by the FMS foundation  I've linked to on August 12. Casey insists that the DI was involved in the "Cornell" "conference" or BI:NP
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Discovery Institute did not organize or fund this conference. In fact, until now, we have deliberately said very little about the resulting volume -- even as anti-ID activists were working hard to prevent its publication.

Nothing new except for the fact that he starts preparing Springer's dismissal of the book contract as an act against academic freedom forced by evil materialist and that lawyer Luskin calls this decesion illegal. There is more tard to come:
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The reasons for our temporary silence may or may not be obvious -- I'll say more about it later.  

[...]

One final note in this introduction: There has been some speculation that World Scientific is a vanity publishing house. That is false. It's a respected academic and scientific publishing house based in Singapore that publishes many other respectable scientific publications, including over 150 scientific journals, literally thousands of academic books, and many scientific textbooks.

Because the book challenges neo-Darwinism, no doubt World Scientific will be harshly attacked simply for publishing Biological Information: New Perspectives. That is all the more reason the publisher should be commended for supporting the academic freedom of scientists to disseminate research that challenges mainstream Darwinian theory. You see, originally Biological Information: New Perspectives was set to be published by Springer, but Springer illegally violated the book's publication contract by cancelling it late last year under pressure from Darwin lobbyists. Do what you can to support World Scientific for not caving into the censors.

In fact, attacks on academic freedom are a very important part of the story behind the publication of Biological Information: New Perspectives, and it's a story that now deserves to be told truthfully. This I will do in forthcoming articles.

Actually, World Scientific

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2013,12:01   

if there actually was research that challenged some currently accepted theory, scientists would be studying that research, not suppressing it.

That's what scientists do.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2013,12:25   

Interesting on the Erdos-Bacon numbers.

I have a credit in the PBS NOVA "Judgment Day" documentary. The narrator of that appeared with Kevin Bacon, which if a credit is sufficient, gives me a Bacon number of two. This one could be argued.

I am a co-author with Jeff Shallit of a critique of Dembski's CSI that appeared in Synthese. Shallit co-authored a paper with Erdos, giving me an Erdos number of two. This might be argued on the basis that the paper appears in a philosophy journal rather than a mathematics journal, but it would be bad form for the IDC advocates to so argue since it is one of the few papers that even cites Dembski's CSI at all.

Together, I have an Erdos-Bacon number of four.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2013,12:25   

Quote (Henry J @ Aug. 16 2013,10:01)
if there actually was research that challenged some currently accepted theory, scientists would be studying that research, not suppressing it.

That's what scientists do.

True, but the audience for all this isn't scientists.  It's religious fundamentalists with delusions of persecution.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 18 2013,00:41   

Just in case this pre-conference discussion has not been documented here: Peer Reviewed Papers Coming!

ETA soory guys, this was linked to on page 1 already

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 18 2013,00:53   

John Sanford has updated his Cornell homepage. He still misrepresents the BI:NP meeting as a Cornell event:
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Lead editor of new 2013 book: Biological Information – New Perspectives.
Primary organizer of 2011 Cornell symposium: Biological Information – New Perspectives.


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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 20 2013,23:25   

Jorge Ferndez left his version of the BI:NP story at Theology Web.
(cross posted on the EN&V thread)

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 28 2013,21:54   

Why did Joel Kontinen omit William Dembski when he listed the BI:NP editors?
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The editors, Robert J. Marks, John C. Sanford, Michael J. Behe and Bruce L. Gordon, are distinguished professors or associate professors at major US universities and the other contributors are also well-credentialed scientists.


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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 28 2013,22:04   

Behe is distinguished by a disclaimer.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 29 2013,22:15   

Mike Keas, another participant of the Biological Information: New Perspectives meeting. One may wonder though, why a  professor of history & philosophy of science would join a conference which is said to have brought together  
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brought together experts in information theory, computer science, numerical simulation, thermodynamics, evolutionary theory, whole organism biology, developmental biology, molecular biology, genetics, physics, biophysics, mathematics, and linguistics
OTOH, we know that an online preaching animal caretaker and a Canadian wannabe science writer have been there too.

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2013,10:32   

Another contributor, Chase W. Nelson, announces the BI:NP chapter he co-authored:
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Check out my new book chapter with Dr. John C. Sanford in the volume Biological Information: New Perspectives, published with World Scientific. Click PDF to see the full text.

Then read Casey Luskin’s no-nonsense documentation of how the book was delayed in its publication for nearly two years because a few flamboyant Darwinists weren’t happy about it. Really, folks — these guys have nothing better to do.
(emphasis mine)
Surprisingly, he is a biologist.

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2013,23:04   

Quote (sparc @ Aug. 12 2013,14:40)
Somebody realized that BI:NP indeed needs some help:              
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Scientific Proceedings Published, Challenging Conventional Neo-Darwinian Theory

"This is by far the most rigorous and in-depth re-examination of the sufficiency ofneo-Darwinian theory. Never have so many well-credentialed scientists, representing so many disciplines, united so effectively to look beyondthe standardmutation-selection paradigm." - The Editors

WACO, Texas, Aug. 12, 2013 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- World Scientific Publishing has just released the proceedings of a symposium held in the spring of 2011, where a diverse group of scientists gathered at Cornell University to critically re-examine neo-Darwinian theory. This symposium brought together experts in information theory, computer science, numerical simulation, thermodynamics, evolutionary theory, whole organism biology, developmental biology, molecular biology, genetics, physics, biophysics, mathematics, and linguistics.

This is a milestone book. For over 100 years, it has been very widely believed that the mutation/selection process is sufficient to explain virtually everything within the biological realm. The 29 contributors to this volume bring into serious question this neo-Darwinian paradigm. They use their wide-ranging expertise to carefully examine a series of fundamental theoretical problems that are now emerging.These problems all relate to the exploding field ofbiological information. Biological information is becoming the primary focus of 21stcentury biological research. Within each cell there are information systems surpassing the best human information technologies. These systems create what is essentially a biological internet within each cell. The authors, although holding diverse philosophical perspectives, unanimously agree that the mutation/selection process is not adequate to explain the labyrinth of informational networks that are essential for life.

Several clear themes emerged from the research papers within this volume: 1) Information is indispensable to our understanding of what life is; 2) Biological information is more than the molecular structures that embody it; 3) Conventional chemical and evolutionary mechanisms are insufficient to fully explain the labyrinth of information that is life.

The book, Biological Information – New Perspectives, was edited by R. Marks, M. Behe, W. Dembski, B. Gordon, and J. Sanford. This volume presents 24 technical papers summarizing the research findings of 29 contributing scientists. The 24 technical papers are open access, and can be freely downloaded from http://www.worldscientific.com/worldsc....8#t=toc . Additional information about the book is available at the same site. The book is available from World Scientific Publishing, Amazon.com, and FMSpub.org.

Source: FMS Foundation, sponsor of the proceedings. For more information contact Dr. Robert Marks at Baylor University ([...]).

SOURCE FMS Foundation


Too bad, that announcing the free download pages won't help to sell more books.

Initially I misread the foundations name for FSM. I don't know what FMS stands for but Flying Monster Spaghettis seems unlikely. Since there is nothing but BI:NP on the foundation's pages it seems likely that its sole purpose is to promote BI:NP without linking it to sites where the link to ID-creationism would be instantly obvious. As a Google search for BI:NP limited to the last 24 hours resulted in 10 pages with news articles just copied from FMS's above cited press release this strategy might work.

whois identified Jimmie Pamplin as the site's registrant who is also the page owner of
logosresearchassociates.org which has the following statement on its openening page:        
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Who are we?

We are a fellowship of scholars and scientists who faithfully hold to the teachings of Jesus Christ and all of his Word, and also faithfully hold to the scientific method and the need for scientific integrity.
What is our goal?

As Ambassadors for Christ we seek to encourage others to believe in Jesus, to faithfully and deliberately believe what Jesus taught, and to believe God’s revealed Word – the Bible – which is the power of God to salvation. We use scholarship, logic, and the scientific method to show that the historical claims of the Bible are not only credible, but are superior to evolutionary theory to explain the origin of the world we see. We freely acknowledge our own fallibility, the inherent limits of “historical science”, and the need for “faith” by adherents of any view about ultimate origins. We urge all people to NOT put their faith in us, or any other form of human authority, but ultimately to put their faith in Jesus Christ.
How can we help you?

There is a great deal of misinformation, deception, and confusion surrounding the origins debate, which should not surprise us, as this is a key spiritual battleground. We at Logos do not have all the answers, but we can offer you strong, logical, and scientific reasons to embrace Biblical history. A large part of accepting Biblical history is rejecting what is popularly taught as “evolutionary history”. Evolutionary theory can now largely be discredited, and we can show you this to be true. We stand by Christ’s claim when He said “I am the Truth”. Are you seeking the Truth? Then we have information which can help you!
What do we do?

As scholars and scientists we delve deeply into the scientific controversies which affect Christian belief and unbelief. We are doing high quality original research that can challenge many academic dogmas of our day – in areas such as cosmology, geology, genetics, and archeology. We are building national and international collaborative research teams. We wish to effectively communicate our findings, and the findings of others, to people like you.
What can you do?

Please consider our evidences. Please be encouraged in your Christian faith. Please decide to be more faithful to Christ – by deliberately choosing to believe Him, and follow Him. If you are a scholar or scientist, share our vision, and feel you can contribute to our work – please contact us by

   email at logosresearchassociates@gmail.com, or

   phone (714) 425-9474, or

   write to: Logos Research Associates, 3232 W. MacArthur Blvd, Santa Ana, CA 92704

If you wish to contribute financially to this unique ministry, please know we very much need your support. Please see our donations page.


Here's what logos says about Pamplin:        
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Jim Pamplin

B.A. (Biology)

Secretary-Treasurer of Logos Research Associates, Senior Ambassador

Active in creation science circles, Jim became acquainted with a number of Bible-believing scientists. When several found themselves displaced from the research they loved, Jim introduced them to Pastor Chuck Smith of Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa.  After prayerful consideration and with encouragement from Pastor Chuck and the Calvary Chapel board, the group incorporated as Logos Research Associates.  Jim now serves Logos as office administrator, (i.e., paper-shuffler/pencil-pusher/bean-counter).


ETA link to wikipedia article on Pastor Chuck Smith

ETA link to Google search for "Scientific Proceedings Published, Challenging Conventional Neo-Darwinian Theory"

FMSpub.org will automatically forward you to biologicalinformationnewperspectives.org now. They've added biography sketches of the editors and the authors.

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
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Unfortunately, TheologyWeb from which we've learned a bit about the fake Cornell conference becuase pompous poser Jorge Fernandez couldn't keep his mouth shut until Springer published BI:NP went silent:  
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TheologyWeb has died horribly! As has the other associated sites: opentheism.info, preteristpodcast.com, theologywebsucks.com and so on and so on.
You can find things out about our status over at our facebook group or by e-mailing me+tweb [at] christophertaylor [dot] net
But there is hope:
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Theologyweb is working on coming back; the server is online but the forums are not.


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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
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