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Ray Martinez



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 07 2014,18:14   

Quote (Arctodus23 @ Jan. 07 2014,18:01)
 
Quote (Ray Martinez @ Jan. 07 2014,17:58)
 
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http://etb-darwin.blogspot.com/2012.......ry.html

Hey, Ray, look at this!


So what's the main point(s), Eddie?

Just to let you know, I`m not Eddie. Does ****0**9 sound familiar.\?


No, you're talking in riddles.

  
Ray Martinez



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 07 2014,18:19   

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Quote (Ray Martinez @ Jan. 07 2014,17:58)
   
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http://etb-darwin.blogspot.com/2012.......ry.html

Hey, Ray, look at this!


So what's the main point(s), Eddie?

Just to let you know, I`m not Eddie. Does ****0**9 sound familiar?


No, I have no idea as to what you're on about.

  
Arctodus23



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 07 2014,18:23   

Quote (Ray Martinez @ Jan. 07 2014,18:19)
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Quote (Ray Martinez @ Jan. 07 2014,17:58)
   
Quote (Arctodus23 @ Jan. 07 2014,17:41)
http://etb-darwin.blogspot.com/2012.......ry.html

Hey, Ray, look at this!


So what's the main point(s), Eddie?

Just to let you know, I`m not Eddie. Does ****0**9 sound familiar?


No, I have no idea as to what you're on about.

How about, ****O**9

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Arctodus23



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 07 2014,18:25   

Hey, Ray, show us a draft of the book!

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"So the center of the earth being hotter than the surface is a "gross
violation of the second law of thermodynamics??" -- Ted Holden

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 07 2014,18:27   

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I wanna hear more about these eels that prove Atlantis!


There's evidence not only of eels but migratory birds that head for a location in the Sargasso Sea. Since no land exists at this location some have theorized that land did exist at said location: the land of Atlantis.

Citation please.


MIGHT be here (I don't really know):

http://www.amazon.com/Atlanti....9207420

I meant a scientific citation, not a passage from some nutjob's self-published woo woo book.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 07 2014,18:37   

Quote (Ray Martinez @ Jan. 07 2014,17:58)
Quote (Arctodus23 @ Jan. 07 2014,17:41)
http://etb-darwin.blogspot.com/2012.......ry.html

Hey, Ray, look at this!


So what's the main point(s), Eddie?

Why don't you detail the main points when you dump a link?

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gnome de net



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 07 2014,18:42   

FWIW, the earliest Saragossa reference that I can find is here...

http://www.irishplayography.com/play.as....yid=188

...in a synopsis of a stage adaptation of Coleridge's Ancient Mariner poem.

  
Arctodus23



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 07 2014,19:08   

Quote (gnome de net @ Jan. 07 2014,18:42)
FWIW, the earliest Saragossa reference that I can find is here...

http://www.irishplayography.com/play.as....yid=188

...in a synopsis of a stage adaptation of Coleridge's Ancient Mariner poem.

So, Martinez bases his crap off of fiction. Surprising, indeed! Ray, can you reveal to us more of your "work" on Atlantis and how birds fly there and die? Ray, when whales die do there spirits go to that land in Yoshi's Story where they get flown off when the players die? Atlantis?

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"At our church’s funerals, we sing gospel songs (out loud) to God." -- FL

"So the center of the earth being hotter than the surface is a "gross
violation of the second law of thermodynamics??" -- Ted Holden

   
Ray Martinez



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 07 2014,19:26   

Quote (Arctodus23 @ Jan. 07 2014,19:08)
 
Quote (gnome de net @ Jan. 07 2014,18:42)
FWIW, the earliest Saragossa reference that I can find is here...

http://www.irishplayography.com/play.as....yid=188

...in a synopsis of a stage adaptation of Coleridge's Ancient Mariner poem.

So, Martinez bases his crap off of fiction. Surprising, indeed! Ray, can you reveal to us more of your "work" on Atlantis and how birds fly there and die? Ray, when whales die do there spirits go to that land in Yoshi's Story where they get flown off when the players die? Atlantis?


Like I said before, I've never claimed to have done any work on Atlantis; and do you still post at Talk.Origins? If not, why not?

  
Arctodus23



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 07 2014,19:30   

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Like I said before, I've never claimed to have done any work on Atlantis; and do you still post at Talk.Origins? If not, why not?

Then, show us a draft of your book. No, Haven't since August.

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"At our church’s funerals, we sing gospel songs (out loud) to God." -- FL

"So the center of the earth being hotter than the surface is a "gross
violation of the second law of thermodynamics??" -- Ted Holden

   
Ray Martinez



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 07 2014,19:49   

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Like I said before, I've never claimed to have done any work on Atlantis; and do you still post at Talk.Origins? If not, why not?

Then, show us a draft of your book. No, Haven't since August.


I really appreciate your interest, but I can't post a draft because to do so wouldn't make any sense. I'd be horribly misunderstood, making things worse. Again, as I write, I'm working on finishing a forerunner paper, about 20 or so pages. It should be ready in 8 to 12 weeks at the most. This forerunner paper is "ripped out" from my book; and it will be presented as a free-standing refutation of Darwinism. Again, thanks for your interest.

And I'm curious as to WHY you've stopped posting at Talk.Origins? I've stopped because Google Groups is down, no posts get through, and because I'm working hard to finish this forerunner paper.

  
Ray Martinez



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 07 2014,19:57   

Quote (Arctodus23 @ Jan. 07 2014,19:08)
 
Quote (gnome de net @ Jan. 07 2014,18:42)
FWIW, the earliest Saragossa reference that I can find is here...

http://www.irishplayography.com/play.as....yid=188

...in a synopsis of a stage adaptation of Coleridge's Ancient Mariner poem.

Ray, can you reveal to us more....on Atlantis and how birds fly there and die? Ray.


http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....y230174

  
Occam's Aftershave



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 07 2014,20:19   

Quote (Ray Martinez @ Jan. 07 2014,19:57)
   
Quote (Arctodus23 @ Jan. 07 2014,19:08)
       
Quote (gnome de net @ Jan. 07 2014,18:42)
FWIW, the earliest Saragossa reference that I can find is here...

http://www.irishplayography.com/play.as....yid=188

...in a synopsis of a stage adaptation of Coleridge's Ancient Mariner poem.

Ray, can you reveal to us more....on Atlantis and how birds fly there and die? Ray.


http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....y230174

Hmmm..  When someone asks you for more info on your bullshit claim you merely link back to your previous bullshit on the topic.

Is that going to be the main means of support for your paradigm changing book too?

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"Global warming can't be real because it still gets cooler at night"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"

Whizz-dumb from Joe Gallien, world's dumbest YEC

  
Ray Martinez



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 07 2014,20:35   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 07 2014,20:19)
     
Quote (Ray Martinez @ Jan. 07 2014,19:57)
         
Quote (Arctodus23 @ Jan. 07 2014,19:08)
             
Quote (gnome de net @ Jan. 07 2014,18:42)
FWIW, the earliest Saragossa reference that I can find is here...

http://www.irishplayography.com/play.as....yid=188

...in a synopsis of a stage adaptation of Coleridge's Ancient Mariner poem.

Ray, can you reveal to us more....on Atlantis and how birds fly there and die? Ray.


http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....y230174

Hmmm..  When someone asks you for more info on your bullshit claim you merely link back to your previous bullshit on the topic.

Is that going to be the main means of support for your paradigm changing book too?


For the third time: I've never claimed to have done any research or spent any time investigating Atlantis. On one occasion, a long time ago, I threw out an interesting claim I heard---that, if true, supports the existence of Atlantis.

It's hard to understand what you guys don't understand? If you can't read simple prose and understand without having to repeat myself, how are you going to understand theistic exposition of evidence showing the utter falsity of evolutionary theory?

  
Arctodus23



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 07 2014,20:37   

Quote (Ray Martinez @ Jan. 07 2014,20:35)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 07 2014,20:19)
     
Quote (Ray Martinez @ Jan. 07 2014,19:57)
           
Quote (Arctodus23 @ Jan. 07 2014,19:08)
               
Quote (gnome de net @ Jan. 07 2014,18:42)
FWIW, the earliest Saragossa reference that I can find is here...

http://www.irishplayography.com/play.as....yid=188

...in a synopsis of a stage adaptation of Coleridge's Ancient Mariner poem.

Ray, can you reveal to us more....on Atlantis and how birds fly there and die? Ray.


http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....y230174

Hmmm..  When someone asks you for more info on your bullshit claim you merely link back to your previous bullshit on the topic.

Is that going to be the main means of support for your paradigm changing book too?


For the third time: I've never claimed to have done any research or spent any time investigating Atlantis. On one occasion, a long time ago, I threw out an interesting claim I heard---that, if true, supports the existence of Atlantis.

It's hard to understand what you guys don't understand? If you can't read simple prose and understand without having to repeat myself, how are you going to understand theistic exposition of evidence showing the utter falsity of evolutionary theory?

Alright. Let's talk about your book, then. Why not show us a draft?

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"At our church’s funerals, we sing gospel songs (out loud) to God." -- FL

"So the center of the earth being hotter than the surface is a "gross
violation of the second law of thermodynamics??" -- Ted Holden

   
Occam's Aftershave



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 07 2014,20:39   

Quote (Ray Martinez @ Jan. 07 2014,20:35)
If you can't read simple prose and understand without having to repeat myself, how are you going to understand theistic exposition of evidence showing the utter falsity of evolutionary theory?

If it's on par with the self-referential woo you've posted so far we won't have to.

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"Global warming can't be real because it still gets cooler at night"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"

Whizz-dumb from Joe Gallien, world's dumbest YEC

  
Ray Martinez



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 07 2014,20:54   

Quote (Arctodus23 @ Jan. 07 2014,20:37)

Alright. Let's talk about your book, then. Why not show us a draft?


http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....y230196

  
Arctodus23



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 07 2014,21:38   

Quote (Ray Martinez @ Jan. 07 2014,20:54)
Quote (Arctodus23 @ Jan. 07 2014,20:37)

Alright. Let's talk about your book, then. Why not show us a draft?


http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....y230196

I read the post already, but it's been 8 years.

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"At our church’s funerals, we sing gospel songs (out loud) to God." -- FL

"So the center of the earth being hotter than the surface is a "gross
violation of the second law of thermodynamics??" -- Ted Holden

   
Ray Martinez



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 07 2014,21:55   

Quote (Arctodus23 @ Jan. 07 2014,21:38)
 
Quote (Ray Martinez @ Jan. 07 2014,20:54)
 
Quote (Arctodus23 @ Jan. 07 2014,20:37)

Alright. Let's talk about your book, then. Why not show us a draft?


http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....y230196

I read the post already, but it's been 8 years.


It took Darwin 20 years to publish.

Thanks for your interest. Forerunner paper real soon.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 07 2014,22:16   

Actually Darwin wrote Origin in about a year.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2014,07:53   

Quote (gnome de net @ Jan. 07 2014,17:02)
The earliest Google search result is Jul 17, 1996.  Since it's frequently the misappellation of the Sargasso Sea, [due to the more-familiar English spelling of the Spanish city Zaragoza?], the error probably has a long history predating the internet.

He was posting at EvC and (IIRC) TWeb and maybe others as Willowtree before then. At EvC he's currently known as Cold Foreign Object and is suspended. His first post there was in November of 2003:

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The Bible teaches that if a person cannot deduce from what is made that a Creator made it then the reason they cannot is because they are suffering the wrath of God. God's invisible attributes were intentionally incorporated into the universe - He left His fingerprints all over what is made. Those unable to recognize this fact are blinded by God as His response to being rejected as the Creator. Simply said evolution is the creation of brilliant people who have been rejected by God for rejecting Him. The intelligent design of the universe is obvious to persons who possess honesty and a spititual reciever. Reject God and your insight is removed.


See http://tinyurl.com/knbd43a....nbd43a. Back then he was ranting much more about his heroes; the late con-man Gene Scott, the ignoramus Richard Milton, and I totally forget the third.

Quote from Milton, "Shattering the Myths of Darwinism", p 192 (that's Ray's cite, I've never seen the book):

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"The key factor about the evolution of marsupials is that a large number of modern marsupial animals exist which - apart from the pouch and child rearing habits - are identical with placental mammals to an extroardinary degree. This is no mere general similarity of anatomical detail, but an almost perfect duplication of distinctive species like cats, rats, wolves, moles, flying squirrels, anteaters, and others. In addition there are distinctive marsupials which exist only in Australia, such as the koala and the kangaroo.

How does it come about that in widely separated environments the same tiny shrewlike ancestral mammal of 65 million years ago should evolve on strictly paralell lines to produce virtually the same range of large mammals today ? The Tasmanian marsupial wolf is a virtual carbon copy of the European timber wolf. The marsupial flying phalanger is practically identical to the placental flying squirrel, as are the marsupial jerboa and the placental jerboa. When the skulls of the two wolves are placed side by side, it would take an experienced professional zoologist to tell them apart.

The question for Darwinists is : How can a mouselike creature have evolved into two identical wolflike creatures (and two identical moles,etc.) on two different continents ? Doesn't this coincidence demand not merely highly improbable random mutations, but miraculous ones ?"


Remind you of anybody?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2014,09:09   

Forrest Gump?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2014,09:53   

Quote (JonF @ Jan. 08 2014,07:53)
 
Quote (gnome de net @ Jan. 07 2014,17:02)
The earliest Google search result is Jul 17, 1996.  Since it's frequently the misappellation of the Sargasso Sea, [due to the more-familiar English spelling of the Spanish city Zaragoza?], the error probably has a long history predating the internet.

He was posting at EvC and (IIRC) TWeb and maybe others as Willowtree before then. At EvC he's currently known as Cold Foreign Object and is suspended. His first post there was in November of 2003....

Just to clarify: I've merely cited the earliest on-line instance of the Saragossa/Sargasso confusion.  It was neither in the context of an Atlantis conjecture nor attributable to our resident wannabe paradigm shifter.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2014,11:31   

Quote (Ray Martinez @ Jan. 07 2014,19:55)
Quote (Arctodus23 @ Jan. 07 2014,21:38)
 
Quote (Ray Martinez @ Jan. 07 2014,20:54)
   
Quote (Arctodus23 @ Jan. 07 2014,20:37)

Alright. Let's talk about your book, then. Why not show us a draft?


http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....y230196

I read the post already, but it's been 8 years.


It took Darwin 20 years to publish.

Thanks for your interest. Forerunner paper real soon.

We look forward to it, Mr. Nelson... er, Martinez.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2014,13:47   

Seriously?  I have a full time job, a kid, my blog, and I still knock out a page or two a night on my book.  And a lot of my time is spent on actual research... if I just made stuff up, then I could easily knock out 2-3 thousand words a day.

You don't seem very dedicated.

BTW, I noticed you still didn't actually explain the main points in any of your links... just like you complained about.  Why is that?

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Arctodus23



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2014,02:32   

Hey, Nelson, you want evidence of evolution (specifically prosimian evolution)? Here's a paper that I just found (and read):

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc....3851781

Apparently, the paper details, "The new fossils provide anatomical evidence demonstrating that Djebelemur was not an adapiform but clearly a distant relative of lemurs, lorises and galagos. Cranial, dental and postcranial remains indicate that this diminutive primate was likely nocturnal, predatory (primarily insectivorous), and engaged in a form of generalized arboreal quadrupedalism with frequent horizontal leaping. Djebelemur did not have an anterior lower dentition as specialized as that characterizing most crown strepsirhines (i.e., tooth-comb), but it clearly exhibited a transformed antemolar pattern representing an early stage of a crown strepsirhine-like adaptation (“pre-tooth-comb”)."

and

"These new fossil data suggest that the differentiation of the tooth-comb must postdate the djebelemurid divergence, a view which hence constrains the timing of crown strepsirhine origins to the Middle Eocene, and then precludes the existence of unrecorded lineage extinctions of tooth-combed primates during the earliest Tertiary."

It's particularly interesting that the origin of the tooth comb originates before the djebelemurid divergence, however, the adapidiformes don't. That's all I'll post, the rest you'll detail.

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"So the center of the earth being hotter than the surface is a "gross
violation of the second law of thermodynamics??" -- Ted Holden

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2014,03:23   

Yeech!

Ray actually posted here? I thought that there were no standards here at all, but this is below no standards.  :O

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2014,08:26   

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Hey, Nelson, you want evidence of evolution ... ?

IMHO, evidence is the last thing he'd be interested in. His sole interest was declared in a post at t.o:
       
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"Evolution was accepted when Darwin published in 1859. He was the  founding architect. The foundation of his explication still stands  today. I am after that foundation. Gould 2002 (1000 + pages) was  written in defense of that foundation. If that foundation were to fall every thing built on top goes with it."

I can't wait for the howler party!



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2014,08:28   

Quote (Arctodus23 @ Jan. 09 2014,02:32)
Hey, Nelson, you want evidence of evolution ... ?

IMHO, evidence is the last thing he'd be interested in. His sole interest was declared in a post at talk.origins:
       
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"Evolution was accepted when Darwin published in 1859. He was the  founding architect. The foundation of his explication still stands  today. I am after that foundation. Gould 2002 (1000 + pages) was  written in defense of that foundation. If that foundation were to fall every thing built on top goes with it."

I can't wait for the howler party!



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Rocks have no biology.
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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2014,15:04   

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"Relativity was accepted when Einstein published in 1905. He was the  founding architect. The foundation of his explication still stands  today. I am after that foundation... If that foundation were to fall every thing built on top goes with it."


Good luck with that.

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"Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

  
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