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supersport



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,22:32   

I have a very simple challenge to evolutionists.    

I challenge evolutionists to show me ONE mutation ever documented in the history of science that has created a new, beneficial, selectable morphological addition to an existing body part.    .    .    .    (a mutation that alters physical, outward appearance in a beneficial way. ) For example, the eye was said to have evolved by way of numerous mutations, each mutation adding on to what previous mutations (plus selection) had added before.  

Please keep in mind that there are mutations that duplicate existing structures, mutations that reduce existing structures, mutations that deform organisms, and mutations that cause disease and death.    .    .    .    Unfortunately for Darwinists, however, mutations can add nothing beneficial to the observable phenotype, which is the cornerstone of ToE.    

This is my claim. . this is my challenge. . . and this challenge has not yet been answered by anyone.    

Knowing this, it is my opinion that the theory of evolution is little more than a wacky metaphysical belief, much like astrology or palm reading.    

The floor is open!

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,22:39   

Who is to judge this challenge, and how do we know he/she is competent in biology?

   
supersport



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,22:41   

let's see what you got and we'll let the gods decide.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,22:43   

So you'll decide, and you have no expertise in biology, is that what you're saying?

   
supersport



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,22:48   

I don't need to be an expert in biology to know when the challenge has been met.  

Put it this way.....I'll beat you to it....in the following link a flea can generate a new spine for itself in the face of predators:

http://discovermagazine.com/2006/nov/cover  (pg.2)

"To the surprise of scientists, many environmentally induced changes turn out to be heritable. When exposed to predators, Daphnia water fleas grow defensive spines (right). The effect can last for several generations."

Perfect example....one problem though: no mutation.

I want you to show me that a mutation can either create a new, selectable part like that or a new modification that meets the criteria in my OP.

So there you have it...we can compare and contrast.

Go for it.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,22:54   

Inheritable traits...an IP address in Texas...

is this Davetard?

   
supersport



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,22:56   

Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 17 2007,22:54)
Inheritable traits...an IP address in Texas...

is this Davetard?

I don't know who that is...no.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,22:57   

(that should read 'inheritable changes' or the like)

   
supersport



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,22:59   

well while you're thinking..what do you think of this link?

http://www.junkdna.com/#genes_move_over

"Genes, move over. Ever since the early 1900s, biologists have thought about heredity primarily in terms of genes. Today, they often view genes as compact, information-laden gems hidden among billions of bases of junk DNA. But genes, it turns out, are neither compact nor uniquely important. According to a painstaking new analysis of 1% of the human genome, genes can be sprawling, with far-flung protein-coding and regulatory regions that overlap with other genes... [One can not help thinking about replacing the concept with FractoGene... - AJP]

Given the traditional gene-centric perspective, that finding "is going to be very disturbing to some people," says John Greally, a molecular biologist at Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York City. On the other hand, says Francis Collins, director of the National Human Genome Research Institute (NHGRI) in Bethesda, Maryland, "we're beginning to understand the ground rules by which the genome functions."... [Indeed, alongside the $100 M to continue ENCODE, time is to establish, like the "Theoretical Neuroscience Program" with Neural Networks breaking through by the 1980's an "NIH PostGenetics Study Program" to head for algorithmic "ground rules" for genome functions - AJP]

When Alexandre Reymond, a medical geneticist at the University of Lausanne, Switzerland, and his colleagues took a close look at the 400 protein-coding genes contained in ENCODE's target DNA, they found additional exons--the regions that code for amino acids--for more than 80%. Many of these newfound exons were located thousands of bases away from the gene's previously known exons, sometimes hidden in another gene. Moreover, some mRNAs were derived from exons belonging to two genes, a finding, says Reymond, that "underscores that we have still not truly answered the question, 'What is a gene?' " In addition, further extending and blurring gene boundaries, ENCODE uncovered a slew of novel "start sites" for genes--the DNA sequences where transcription begins--many located hundreds of thousands of bases away from the known start sites.


[Those who thought the "ENCODE" only blew away "Junk DNA" see now that not only the "antithesis" was incorrect, but the "Gene" thesis was defective, too. Some of us have put forward "Synthesis" - and a select few in algorithmic, i.e. "software enabling" manner. Synthetic Biology and Protein-based Nanotechnology will not make it without proper "software design" ... - comment by Pellionisz, 22nd of June, 2007]"

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,22:59   

Are you offering any prize money? What do we win?

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,22:59   

Hey Sporty, found any YECs willing to pay their own money to radiocarbon date that dinosaur bone yet?  :D  :D  :D  

Or maybe you could explain to us about butterfly wombs.  :D  :D  :D

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:06   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 17 2007,23:59)
well while you're thinking..what do you think of this link?

http://www.junkdna.com/#genes_move_over

I think 71,644 words on a single web page might be some kind of record...

   
supersport



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:07   

Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 17 2007,22:59)
Are you offering any prize money? What do we win?

I once offered a forum a quarter for any such correct answer, but I've decided to take that off the table.  Sorry.

  
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:08   

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I don't need to be an expert in biology to know when the challenge has been met.  


Sooo.... you reject what biologists say, and you have no training in biology, but you're fit to make statements as to whether biologists are right. That about nail it?

Are you the same Supersport who has all those retarded quotes over at Fundies Say the Darnedest Things?

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:10   

So we're supposed to do all the work, for nothing, in hopes you'll learn something?

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:13   

Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 17 2007,23:10)
So we're supposed to do all the work, for nothing, in hopes you'll learn something?

well, actually, since you guys are the ones passing this stuff off as fact to school kids, it might be nice to see a little evidence that the mechanism can do as advertised.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:14   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 18 2007,00:08)
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I don't need to be an expert in biology to know when the challenge has been met.  


Sooo.... you reject what biologists say, and you have no training in biology, but you're fit to make statements as to whether biologists are right. That about nail it?

Are you the same Supersport who has all those retarded quotes over at Fundies Say the Darnedest Things?

Yeah, super, are you this guy?

"Evolutionists prey on the ignorant and gullible. They know the vast majority of the population knows nothing of genetics or molecules or bacteria – so that’s where they go for their so-called “proof” of evolution. They like to hide their proof in dark corners where nobody can see it."

supersport, CARM [Comments (65)] 2007-Mar-11

"[Would you please tell us what your scientific qualifications (for evaluating evolution) are? What is your profession?]

My qualification is I'm a God-fearing college dropout redneck hick landlord who goes after darwinism with freaking vengeance....and I just happen to have the truth on my side."

supersport, Theology Web [Comments (76)] 2007-Jan-28

Well the everyone grab your ticket! The dark side is going to make it that every man, woman and child has free health care. It's not exactly the same, but for me it brings back images of the jews being led towards the death showers in Germany."

supersport, CARM.org [Comments (103)] 2007-Jan-25

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:16   

in the flesh.....

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:16   

I've got to agree with him on that last one. Free health care and the Holocaust aren't exactly the same thing...

:p

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:18   

I was suspicious this guy was Davetard or AFDave, but I think he's not, and I think some people here are going to have a good time.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:20   

Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 17 2007,23:16)
I've got to agree with him on that last one. Free health care and the Holocaust aren't exactly the same thing...

:p

see, we do have something in common!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:21   

Looks like the same guy:

 
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"I think it's high time the truth is told about evolutionist-run debate forums. The Richard Dawkins forum is the 3rd atheist/evolutionist forum I have been banned from for absolutely no reason. I will present the evidence here that creationists simply are not welcome at evolutionists' sites....our ideas are not tolerated, and if we step out of line and make too much of a fool of ToE then we simply get exterminated. You think Communism and mind-control only happens in China or North Korea? HA! Just try posting anti-darwinian language at an atheist site and see how long you stick around."

supersport, CARM [Comments (51)] 2007-Aug-22


 
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""evolution" is simply changes emerging from within the individual to adapt himself to a changing enviornment. Darwin was wrong, dawkins was wrong, gould was wrong -- I am right."

supersport, RichardDawkins.net [Comments (51)] 2007-Aug-24


 
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"first of all medicine, like evolutionary science is mostly political. There are very few medicines, if any, that cure anything. Any cures that happen do so because of the body's own ability to repair itself. Care to name me a disease in the past 40 years that's been cured on a widescale basis by medicine?"

supersport , CARM [Comments (52)] 2007-Jul-21


 
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"No I have no plans to read any more science than I absolutely have to. Science is a sham and does not even come close to explaining anything about reality. I get my wisdom from other sources. Life, including biology, is nonscientific."

SuperSport, CARM [Comments (47)] 2007-Jun-25


 
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"[after being presented with the fact that genes majorly control one's traits]

wrong... this is so far from fact you don't obviously don't know biology..
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supersport, CARM Disussion Forums [Comments (33)] 2007-May-11


 
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"(Supersport explains how animals in the wild never get sick. From three different comments in the thread)

Darwin, why do you think animals in the wild don't get diabetes? Why do they not get alzheimers? Why do they not get MS or or lupus or Depression? Why do they not get cancer? Why is it that dogs and cats start coming down with diseases such as cancer and diabetes only after they are in captivity....only after humans care for them and vaccinate them and give them all kinds of drugs, and processed food?

why is that?

[Mind-boggingly stupid statement. Animals in the wild do get various illnesses, but they don't usually survive long enough for us to find them while they are convalescing in a den or a nest, because they either starve or get eaten. In the wild getting sick is close to a death sentence.]

No they don't. Please show me where animals in the wild get diabetes, for example."

supersport, CARM [Comments (35)] 2007-Apr-08


 
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"Are you sure the vaccine for small pox isn't actually causing smallpox?"

supersport, CARM [Comments (9)] 2007-Mar-26


 
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"Evolutionists are obsessed with skulls. In particular they love sticking thier noses down into rotting skulls with tape measures. Then these self-absorbed thinkers very carefully analyze the shape, size and contour of these skulls because they think they can make judgements on how intelligent someone was based on these measurements and observations. Neanderthals, for instance, despite being genecally 99.9% the same as modern humans, have been labled brutes and savages because they had big skulls with thick bones. Not only that, but some evolutionists say they were unable to even speak, and instead, resorted to making high squeaking noises -- I guess like some sort of dolphin or hyena or something. Of course, it was because they were so darn dumb that us "real" humans supposedly overpowered them and drove them into extinction. Afterall, who wants dumb people around? (This is despite the fact that there's absolutely no evidence of widespread killings or savage murders of Neanderthals.)

Seriously....reading the words of these people is just laughable. Listening to them go on and on about the specific dimensions and sizes of skulls, like these things have anything to do with the intelligence of the individual is just insulting. In fact, I truly do feel insulted for the person who's skull they are sifting through. How would you evolutionists like someone in the future digging through your skull and calling you sub-human or incapable of intelligent thought -- or saying you didn't know how to talk?

But my question to you evolutionists is this: What in the world would make you think that because someone has a different shaped skull that they cannot think as good as you can? And what does size have to do with anything? Evolutionists keep searching for "intermediate" skulls -- skulls that lie somewhere in between an apes' and a humans' for years now.

But if skull size meant anything at all, then why aren't gorillas much more intelligent that we are? And elephants? And hippos? A human is a human is a human. The human brain is a human brain no matter what size it is. You can be a tiny person such as a pygmy or you can be a giant. A giant, despite his large brain, is no more intelligent than a small person.

School kids, even the class dunce, could get this logic -- but evolutionists can't."

supersport, CARM [Comments (24)] 2007-Mar-21


 
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I, of course, believe God Created the world in 6 days. One of the greatest questions creationists are faced with is how the animals spread out across the world after Noah's ark came to a rest.

Of course nobody knows what happened...but I think with a little investigation, one can put some pieces together that make a little sense.

Is it possible that the world was created much smaller than it is today? Is it possible that there were no oceans? Is it possible that, instead there were "fountains of the deep?" Is it possible that at some point the earth cracked open and these flood waters came pouring out?

Is it possible that the earth grew much like a balloon expands? Is it possible that when the ark came down that the continents were still one land mass, only to separate later?



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7592727299684964168

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supersport, CARM [Comments (36)] 2007-Mar-14


 
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"what's wrong with that statement? You don't think evolutionists scientists have tried to make a human/chimp baby? These people wish to their dirt god that they were chimps -- if they could have a baby with a female chimp they would in a heartbeat."

supersport, CureZone [Comments (44)] 2007-Mar-03



...and there's a LOT more where this came from.

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supersport



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:22   

just for fun, why don't you name me a disease that's been cured in the last 30 years with medicine.  Please keep in mind the trillions of dollars going into the pockets of Big Medicine.....

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:23   

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My qualification is I'm a God-fearing college dropout redneck hick landlord who goes after darwinism with freaking vengeance....and I just happen to have the truth on my side."


Just wanted to say, when I was spending a lot of time at FSTDT last winter, this was one of my favorite quotes there, esp. the boldfaced part.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:24   

I can't stop reading that FSTDT page

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"homosexuals should be thrown in jail like in the good ole days....maybe we could let them pick up trash on the side of the road while they're all linked together with chains. At least that way Aids would be confined to prisons as opposed to infecting the rest of society and dragging everyone else down with them."

supersport, CureZone [Comments (40)] 2007-Jan-05


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"I mean if modern day humans have been around for tens of thousands of years, then where are all the skyscrapers from years gone by? Where are all the books and artifacts? Where are the planes and cars?"

Supersport, Carm.org Discussion Forums [Comments (50)] 2006-Dec-05

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:26   

this is like the "This is your life" gameshow in here...cool!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:26   

Supersport does support SOME programs to help poor people:

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"In my opinion, if an animal in the wild like a swan is caught being gay it should be shot on sight, disinfected, and used to feed the poor."

supersport, carm [Comments (56)] 2006-Nov-21


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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:29   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 17 2007,23:26)
Supersport does support SOME programs to help poor people:

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"In my opinion, if an animal in the wild like a swan is caught being gay it should be shot on sight, disinfected, and used to feed the poor."

supersport, carm [Comments (56)] 2006-Nov-21

yes, that is one of my personal favorites as well.....just trying to help out!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:29   

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"In my opinion, if an animal in the wild like a swan is caught being gay it should be shot on sight, disinfected, and used to feed the poor."

supersport, carm [Comments (56)] 2006-Nov-21


   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:30   

dang your hide Arden Chatfield!

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:31   

I couldn't possibly improve on this:

 
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"Maybe it's just me......but does anyone else have the ability to "sense" Satan in other people?

I meet and talk to alot of people in my business. And it doesn't happen too often -- maybe a couple times per year -- but every once in a while I'll come across someone who just gives me the willies -- an eery feeling -- like there's an evil darkness glaring at me from behind their eyes. And they set off an internal fear that just penetrates my soul -- it's a sensation that tells me to run away because the Devil is residing in them. It makes me very nervous.

And it may not be anything in particular that the person does or says to make me feel this....it's more of just an inner gut feeling. I can almost feel a growl or a groan coming out directed at me.

Of course...then again...I could be crazy."

supersport, CARM [Comments (45)] 2006-Sep-21


Okay, just one more. This is too easy to do:

 
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"Oh, trust me, I can debate this with facts......

How is death worshipped by the left? Well first of all they're obseessed with digging up dead bones. They're obsessed with digging up dead monkey bones, dead dinosaur bones etc.

Another form of entertainment is exhuming graves and cemetaries. They love this stuff. They love stealing jewlery off dead corpses.

They're also obsessed with digging through skulls and analyzing corpses with picks and chisels.

They also love dead animals and theories that give glory to a dead, demoralizing past.

Genesis is also habitually scoffed at -- the beautiful story of life -- and they try to wiggle their way out of existence by insisting that we're all random accidents. In their mind they need to play like life didn't actually have a true beginning.

But of course it doesn't stop with the science.....

Have you noticed that the hollywood left is obsessd with making movies and documentarys about slaughter?...and how they have a morbid fascination of suffering? How they make so many movies about bloody war? And people dying? And AIDS? Have you noticed how they turn a blind eye to corrupt leaders who execute their own citizens?

Of course abortion (death to infants) is the sacrament of feminism and liberalism.

And the left is also obsessed with sticking up for people who murder people. -- they want THESE people to live, ironically. No death chamber for killers.

And have you noticed how they'd love to make suicide (death to self) legal?

Have you noticed how the notion of Jesus DEFEATING death makes them ill?"

supersport, IIDB [Comments (45)] 2006-Aug-07


Dave Scot wishes he was this funny.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:32   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 17 2007,23:29)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 17 2007,23:26)
Supersport does support SOME programs to help poor people:

 
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"In my opinion, if an animal in the wild like a swan is caught being gay it should be shot on sight, disinfected, and used to feed the poor."

supersport, carm [Comments (56)] 2006-Nov-21

yes, that is one of my personal favorites as well.....just trying to help out!

"Hey mom, what's for dinner?"

(Looks in oven)

"Awww, not gay swan again!"

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:33   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,07:07)
 
Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 17 2007,22:59)
Are you offering any prize money? What do we win?

I once offered a forum a quarter for any such correct answer, but I've decided to take that off the table.  Sorry.

You can't afford a quarter?



How about some food stamps?

Surely you would pay a dime

 
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......to see a little evidence that the mechanism can do as advertised.


If it's free it aint worth paying for, isn't that right Cletus?

Still.... I'll offer you a quarter for proof god exists.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:37   

I like this one too....

"I don't defend what happened to the Indians...then again I don't think anyone knows the full story. If the indians didn't want to get shot they should have got the heck out of there and migrated northward or westward....or maybe head down to Mexco and set their teepees up there. (that's what I would have done.)"

[I]

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:37   

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just for fun, why don't you name me a disease that's been cured in the last 30 years with medicine.  Please keep in mind the trillions of dollars going into the pockets of Big Medicine.....

Wait, you mean like smallpox?

Is this supposed to be a trick question.

[Smallpox was wiped out in 1977 incidentally]

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:38   

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It is a gay man's disease. The only way a regular person can catch it is if he/she sleeps with a homo.

Supersport, Christian Forums [Comments (39)] 2006-Nov-05



And to think of all the money I wasted for condoms at that brothel in Thailand!

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:40   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 17 2007,23:37)
I like this one too....

"I don't defend what happened to the Indians...then again I don't think anyone knows the full story. If the indians didn't want to get shot they should have got the heck out of there and migrated northward or westward....or maybe head down to Mexco and set their teepees up there. (that's what I would have done.)"

[I]

Oh, I remember that one! That one is pretty good, I have to admit. Tho if push came to shove, the gay swan one might still get the nod.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:40   

Quote (J. O'Donnell @ Sep. 17 2007,23:37)
Quote (supersport @ Sep. 17 2007,23:22)
just for fun, why don't you name me a disease that's been cured in the last 30 years with medicine.  Please keep in mind the trillions of dollars going into the pockets of Big Medicine.....

Wait, you mean like smallpox?

Is this supposed to be a trick question.

[Smallpox was wiped out in 1977 incidentally]

I think that "thirty years" is in there specifically to exclude smallpox and polio.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:41   

Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 17 2007,23:38)
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It is a gay man's disease. The only way a regular person can catch it is if he/she sleeps with a homo.

Supersport, Christian Forums [Comments (39)] 2006-Nov-05



And to think of all the money I wasted for condoms at that brothel in Thailand!

If you went to a Thai brothel, would that mean you were no longer a 'regular person'?

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just for fun, why don't you name me a disease that's been cured in the last 30 years with medicine.  Please keep in mind the trillions of dollars going into the pockets of Big Medicine.....

Wait, you mean like smallpox?

Is this supposed to be a trick question.

[Smallpox was wiped out in 1977 incidentally]

I think that "thirty years" is in there specifically to exclude smallpox and polio.

2007-1977 = 30 years. So it answers the question :p

He probably failed to do his math correctly while setting up his strawman. He should have said within the past 29 years, then he'd be safe.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:45   

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just for fun, why don't you name me a disease that's been cured in the last 30 years with medicine.  Please keep in mind the trillions of dollars going into the pockets of Big Medicine.....

Wait, you mean like smallpox?

Is this supposed to be a trick question.

[Smallpox was wiped out in 1977 incidentally]

I think that "thirty years" is in there specifically to exclude smallpox and polio.

Well actually, the past 30 years have seen the biggest rise in degnerative diseases -- heart disease, cancer, MS, diabetes, alzheimer's, etc etc......none of which have cures and all of which are killing more and more and more people despite the trillions of dollars being pumped towards Big Medicine.

I acknowledge that some diseases have been controlled or even cured, but nothing new lately...at least nothing that's doing all the killing.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:45   

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And the weird thing is, I’m not at all convinced that Satan actually believes in the sorry theory he so eagerly promotes. He doesn’t necessarily believe in random mutations – he doesn’t have any real faith in Natural Selection – and he doesn’t truly believe in adaptive radiation. (When’s the last time Satan made a post on here PROMOTING the validity of these things?)
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:46   

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just for fun, why don't you name me a disease that's been cured in the last 30 years with medicine.  Please keep in mind the trillions of dollars going into the pockets of Big Medicine.....

Wait, you mean like smallpox?

Is this supposed to be a trick question.

[Smallpox was wiped out in 1977 incidentally]

I think that "thirty years" is in there specifically to exclude smallpox and polio.

2007-1977 = 30 years. So it answers the question :p

He probably failed to do his math correctly while setting up his strawman. He should have said within the past 29 years, then he'd be safe.

This appears to be an earlier model of the same challenge:

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"first of all medicine, like evolutionary science is mostly political. There are very few medicines, if any, that cure anything. Any cures that happen do so because of the body's own ability to repair itself. Care to name me a disease in the past 40 years that's been cured on a widescale basis by medicine?"

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:48   

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And the weird thing is, I’m not at all convinced that Satan actually believes in the sorry theory he so eagerly promotes. He doesn’t necessarily believe in random mutations – he doesn’t have any real faith in Natural Selection – and he doesn’t truly believe in adaptive radiation. (When’s the last time Satan made a post on here PROMOTING the validity of these things?)
supersport, CARM [Comments (39)] 2006-Sep-21

Are you saying that deep down... Satan is a creationist???

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:50   

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just for fun, why don't you name me a disease that's been cured in the last 30 years with medicine.  Please keep in mind the trillions of dollars going into the pockets of Big Medicine.....

Wait, you mean like smallpox?

Is this supposed to be a trick question.

[Smallpox was wiped out in 1977 incidentally]

I think that "thirty years" is in there specifically to exclude smallpox and polio.

Well actually, the past 30 years have seen the biggest rise in degnerative diseases [/quote]

This is also because populations world wide are aging (because, you know, medicine allows people to live significantly longer than they have before), standards of living are going up while unfortunately activities like proper diet and excercise are being compromised by a more "24" hour world than what things used to be (IE less home cooking, higher rates of obesity). "Curing" something like heart disease is difficult given that these are often conditions caused by aging cells and finding a way to reverse years of damage called by excessive drinking, lack of excercise, poor diet and such is truly ridiculous.

Of course, what you won't acknowledge probably is that treatments for such conditions have got considerably better over the years, which has greatly amended suffering and often the severity of these conditions (but curing is probably not exactly within the realms of possibility).

Really, if you're going to set up a strawman can you at least make an argument that makes sense to go with it first.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:51   

This about sums it up:

"Neo-darwinism is truly a National disgrace. I do not say this as a cheap attempt at an insult. I say it with all honesty. Satan -- with the help of his little red-headed, mental-terrorist step-child (Charles Darwin) -- has turned this great nation upside-down. A small percentage of atheistic intelligence bandits have somehow managed to manipulate their way into the hearts and minds of the general population.

And this has been done though large-scale, mind-numbing, brainwashing techniques that have convinced a large portion ofAmerica that dumb creatures have evolved into intelligent ones. They have succeeded in convincing many that a tricycle can evolve into the space shuttle through blind and purposeless mutations guided by the mere notion that animals actually breed and have offspring. They have dumbed-down
society to the point where many people actually believe this stuff....people actually believe that the only differences between sweaty, bug-picking monkeys and humans are short arms and opposable thumbs. They think the difference between a hippo and a dolphin is just a series of random mutations that reshape the body. Little gets mentioned about how and where a dolphin's sonar came from."

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:53   

Okay, none of you will top this one:

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"And here’s the magic of life as I see it: Since life is a verb, I find it interesting that faith is also a verb."

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:53   

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just for fun, why don't you name me a disease that's been cured in the last 30 years with medicine.  Please keep in mind the trillions of dollars going into the pockets of Big Medicine.....

Wait, you mean like smallpox?

Is this supposed to be a trick question.

[Smallpox was wiped out in 1977 incidentally]

I think that "thirty years" is in there specifically to exclude smallpox and polio.

Well actually, the past 30 years have seen the biggest rise in degnerative diseases
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This is also because populations world wide are aging (because, you know, medicine allows people to live significantly longer than they have before), standards of living are going up while unfortunately activities like proper diet and excercise are being compromised by a more "24" hour world than what things used to be (IE less home cooking, higher rates of obesity). "Curing" something like heart disease is difficult given that these are often conditions caused by aging cells and finding a way to reverse years of damage called by excessive drinking, lack of excercise, poor diet and such is truly ridiculous.

Of course, what you won't acknowledge probably is that treatments for such conditions have got considerably better over the years, which has greatly amended suffering and often the severity of these conditions (but curing is probably not exactly within the realms of possibility).

Really, if you're going to set up a strawman can you at least make an argument that makes sense to go with it first.

actually, if you want to look at reality honestly, you must admit that people are getting these degenerative diseases (such as heart disease, cancer, etc) at younger and younger ages......it's getting worse, not better.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:53   

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Okay, none of you will top this one:

 
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"And here’s the magic of life as I see it: Since life is a verb, I find it interesting that faith is also a verb."

supersport, CARM.org [Comments (45)] 2006-Dec-27

want me to show you where Lynn Margulis says the same thing?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:55   

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Okay, none of you will top this one:

 
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"And here’s the magic of life as I see it: Since life is a verb, I find it interesting that faith is also a verb."

supersport, CARM.org [Comments (45)] 2006-Dec-27

want me to show you where Lynn Margulis says the same thing?

How can I possibly refuse such an offer?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:56   

Lynn Margulis:

“'What is life?' is a linguistic trap. To answer according to the rules of grammar, we must supply a noun, a thing. But life on Earth is more like a verb. It is a material process, surfing over matter like a slow wave. It is a controlled artistic chaos, a set of chemical reactions so staggeringly complex that more than 4 billion years ago it began a sojourn that now, in human form, composes love letters and uses silicon computers to calculate the temperature of matter at the birth of the universe.”

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:57   

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just for fun, why don't you name me a disease that's been cured in the last 30 years with medicine.  Please keep in mind the trillions of dollars going into the pockets of Big Medicine.....

Wait, you mean like smallpox?

Is this supposed to be a trick question.

[Smallpox was wiped out in 1977 incidentally]

I think that "thirty years" is in there specifically to exclude smallpox and polio.

Well actually, the past 30 years have seen the biggest rise in degnerative diseases

This is also because populations world wide are aging (because, you know, medicine allows people to live significantly longer than they have before), standards of living are going up while unfortunately activities like proper diet and excercise are being compromised by a more "24" hour world than what things used to be (IE less home cooking, higher rates of obesity). "Curing" something like heart disease is difficult given that these are often conditions caused by aging cells and finding a way to reverse years of damage called by excessive drinking, lack of excercise, poor diet and such is truly ridiculous.

Of course, what you won't acknowledge probably is that treatments for such conditions have got considerably better over the years, which has greatly amended suffering and often the severity of these conditions (but curing is probably not exactly within the realms of possibility).

Really, if you're going to set up a strawman can you at least make an argument that makes sense to go with it first.[/quote]
actually, if you want to look at reality honestly, you must admit that people are getting these degenerative diseases (such as heart disease, cancer, etc) at younger and younger ages......it's getting worse, not better.

Only if you completely ignore everything else I actually wrote there and that, in general, the majority of those who get conditions like cancer and heart disease are part of the aging population.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:58   

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A small percentage of atheistic intelligence bandits

I still prefer Church-Burning Ebola Boys.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:59   

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A small percentage of atheistic intelligence bandits

I still prefer Church-Burning Ebola Boys.

I didn't say that one..

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2007,23:59   

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Lynn Margulis:

“'What is life?' is a linguistic trap. To answer according to the rules of grammar, we must supply a noun, a thing. But life on Earth is more like a verb. It is a material process, surfing over matter like a slow wave. It is a controlled artistic chaos, a set of chemical reactions so staggeringly complex that more than 4 billion years ago it began a sojourn that now, in human form, composes love letters and uses silicon computers to calculate the temperature of matter at the birth of the universe.”

Well, she's not really saying that 'life' is a verb. And she doesn't even mention 'faith'.

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A small percentage of atheistic intelligence bandits

I still prefer Church-Burning Ebola Boys.

I didn't say that one..

Dave Scot said it. He raises the bar for all of us.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,00:00   

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Lynn Margulis:

“'What is life?' is a linguistic trap. To answer according to the rules of grammar, we must supply a noun, a thing. But life on Earth is more like a verb. It is a material process, surfing over matter like a slow wave. It is a controlled artistic chaos, a set of chemical reactions so staggeringly complex that more than 4 billion years ago it began a sojourn that now, in human form, composes love letters and uses silicon computers to calculate the temperature of matter at the birth of the universe.”

Well, she's not really saying that 'life' is a verb. And she doesn't even mention 'faith'.

I was not claiming "life" was literally a verb...I was using the term figuratively....as was she.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,00:04   

so I haven't looked around here much...are there any/many anti-darwinists here?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,00:04   

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Lynn Margulis:

“'What is life?' is a linguistic trap. To answer according to the rules of grammar, we must supply a noun, a thing. But life on Earth is more like a verb. It is a material process, surfing over matter like a slow wave. It is a controlled artistic chaos, a set of chemical reactions so staggeringly complex that more than 4 billion years ago it began a sojourn that now, in human form, composes love letters and uses silicon computers to calculate the temperature of matter at the birth of the universe.”

Well, she's not really saying that 'life' is a verb. And she doesn't even mention 'faith'.

I was not claiming "life" was literally a verb...I was using the term figuratively....as was she.

I would say that 'life' and 'faith' are in fact both prepositions.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,00:06   

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so I haven't looked around here much...are there any/many anti-darwinists here?

At present Dave "AF Dave" Hawkins is the only one.

For most of a year we had a creationist housewife from Kansas named FTK, but she got banned. We kind of freaked her out.

EDIT: Oh shit, how can I forget VMartin!  He's some kind of weird creationist or something from Eastern Europe. But it's hard to tell where his allegiances really are, between his evasiveness and his bad English. Currently he's only checking in about 2-3 times a week.

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Lynn Margulis:

“'What is life?' is a linguistic trap. To answer according to the rules of grammar, we must supply a noun, a thing. But life on Earth is more like a verb. It is a material process, surfing over matter like a slow wave. It is a controlled artistic chaos, a set of chemical reactions so staggeringly complex that more than 4 billion years ago it began a sojourn that now, in human form, composes love letters and uses silicon computers to calculate the temperature of matter at the birth of the universe.”

Well, she's not really saying that 'life' is a verb. And she doesn't even mention 'faith'.

I was not claiming "life" was literally a verb...I was using the term figuratively....as was she.

I would say that 'life' and 'faith' are in fact both prepositions.

to me, "life" is a state of being and "faith" is often called an "act of faith"....or "living in faith"...both of which could be claimed to be words of action...at least sort of.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,00:20   

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so I haven't looked around here much...are there any/many anti-darwinists here?

We had a housewife named FtK who argued for about 500 posts. Most of her posts were about why she didn't want to talk. Evasive and boring. A YEC from texas like yourself named AFDave posted about 1500 times before we encouraged him to take his show on the road to Internet Infidels Discussion Board. He still posts on our Bathroom Wall thread.

We've been looking around for other creationists. The problem is, we're an educated crowd. About 100 people here have science degrees, for instance. But we can't find educated creationists. We've got one educated, smart guy who calls himself a creationist but doesn't really oppose evolution, so, that doesn't generate much heat. We're trying to find educated anti-evolutionists. People who are familiar with science's processes and results. It's no fun for us to argue with people who don't really know anything. So far, no luck.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,00:27   

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so I haven't looked around here much...are there any/many anti-darwinists here?

We had a housewife named FtK who argued for about 500 posts. Most of her posts were about why she didn't want to talk. Evasive and boring. A YEC from texas like yourself named AFDave posted about 1500 times before we encouraged him to take his show on the road to Internet Infidels Discussion Board. He still posts on our Bathroom Wall thread.

We've been looking around for other creationists. The problem is, we're an educated crowd. About 100 people here have science degrees, for instance. But we can't find educated creationists. We've got one educated, smart guy who calls himself a creationist but doesn't really oppose evolution, so, that doesn't generate much heat. We're trying to find educated anti-evolutionists. People who are familiar with science's processes and results. It's no fun for us to argue with people who don't really know anything. So far, no luck.

well I don't know if I would meet your criteria or not for "educated."   I don't have a degree in science, but I do some reading on it...or at least I look at the pictures in the books I have....that's worth something, I guess.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,00:28   

My philosophy:

When you sit back and look at this whole thing, the debate is so polar opposite it’s almost eery. But I just thought I’d compare and contrast what I consider the most obvious difference in philosophy.

Materialists: believe that lifeforms are evolving upwards from something ugly (bacteria, fungues, etc) by way of a purely physical mechanism…(no thought or intelligence required)

SS: believes that we are devolving downwards from something beautiful (God) by way of the mind or mental processes.

Materiatists: say genes get passed down through the generations.

SS: says the mind gets passed down through the generations.

Materialists: say the genes control the mind

SS: says the mind controls the genes

With this comparison, it is easy to see who the real competitors are: the competition is between the physical actions of genes and the mental/spiritual processes of the mind. It can be no other way. Either information gets squeezed out of the random actions of genes or it gets squeezed out of the purposeful processes of the mind.

Evolutionists give the genome the credit for being the origin of information. I, on the otherhand acknowledge that the genome is a data base of information, but is merely a storage device and does not act as the generator of information. Instead, information’s source is ultimately God, but as we were made in God’s image, information’s source also resides in our minds just like it resides in God’s mind.

We’ve recently learned from J.C. Sanford that the genome is degenerating. We see proof of that all around us with all the new crop of genetic diseases. Society is certainly degenerating genetically…this fact alone dispells the notion that we’re in the process of increasing in complexity, as darwinists insist…instead we’re deteriorating, decreasing in complexity. But is the deteriorating genome the source of degeneration? I would say not because I believe the mind and mental processes are in control of the genome…and if this is the case, then the spiritual MIND is ultimately what’s degenerating, which makes the physical genome a follower of degeneration, not a leader. Likewise, with the emergence of new traits, the genome (the storage device) is not the leader, it’s the follower. New traits don’t come from a change in the genome, new traits come from a change in the mind.

This would make sense from a Biblical perspective. Remember how it was that Adam and Eve walked and talked in the Garden with God? I believe Adam and Eve were probably created perfectly and designed to live forever….it was only after sin entered that they Spiritually began to degenerate...and this process continues today.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,02:30   

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This would make sense from a Biblical perspective. Remember how it was that Adam and Eve walked and talked in the Garden with God? I believe Adam and Eve were probably created perfectly and designed to live forever….it was only after sin entered that they Spiritually began to degenerate...and this process continues today.


Why is it you fundies have such a hangup about sex?

It's like you are trapped permanently in the birth canal.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,02:37   

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We’ve recently learned from J.C. Sanford that the genome is degenerating. We see proof of that all around us with all the new crop of genetic diseases.

O'Rlly?

Why don't the "fast breeders" suffer genetic diseases? Bacteria etc? Millions of generations gone past, and yet here they all still are ready to infect your food at the slightest chance.

According to you and Sanford, that's not possible.

Yet here we are. And here they are.

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Little gets mentioned about how and where a dolphin's sonar came from.


Do you want to discuss dolphin biosonar, or was that supposed to be a one-off observation?

Edited by Wesley R. Elsberry on Sep. 18 2007,03:32

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,03:41   

I used to have a supersport quote for my MSN name. Something about atheists being evil or somesuch, but it was really aggressive, even more so than the normal "those darn atheist satan worshippers" nonsense.

The man is a legend. Unfortunately, I doubt he thinks it's for the same reasons I do.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,05:30   

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It is a gay man's disease. The only way a regular person can catch it is if he/she sleeps with a homo.

Supersport, Christian Forums [Comments (39)] 2006-Nov-05



And to think of all the money I wasted for condoms at that brothel in Thailand!

Yes, but think of all the money you'll save not having to insist on a clean needle and screened blood at your next transfusion.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,05:56   

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We’ve recently learned from J.C. Sanford that the genome is degenerating. We see proof of that all around us with all the new crop of genetic diseases.

O'Rlly?

Why don't the "fast breeders" suffer genetic diseases? Bacteria etc? Millions of generations gone past, and yet here they all still are ready to infect your food at the slightest chance.

According to you and Sanford, that's not possible.

Yet here we are. And here they are.

Don't bother OldMan, you're wasting your time.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,06:52   

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This would make sense from a Biblical perspective. Remember how it was that Adam and Eve walked and talked in the Garden with God? I believe Adam and Eve were probably created perfectly and designed to live forever….it was only after sin entered that they Spiritually began to degenerate...and this process continues today.


Why is it you fundies have such a hangup about sex?

It's like you are trapped permanently in the birth canal.

everyone has hangups with sex....we "fundies" just don't do it with animals and with members of our own gender like others in society.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,06:53   

so no one is going to attempt to answer my OP?

  
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We’ve recently learned from J.C. Sanford that the genome is degenerating. We see proof of that all around us with all the new crop of genetic diseases.

O'Rlly?

Why don't the "fast breeders" suffer genetic diseases? Bacteria etc? Millions of generations gone past, and yet here they all still are ready to infect your food at the slightest chance.

According to you and Sanford, that's not possible.

Yet here we are. And here they are.

Don't bother OldMan, you're wasting your time.

Probably diet.....bacteria don't eat an assortment of chemicals, fats, salts, additives, hydrogenated oils, sodas, chips, fries, burgers, onion rings, Cheetos, fruit juice and corn dogs.....we do. Add on top of that exposure to pollution, industrial toxins, city water that's been loaded with fluoride and chlorine, pesticides, and all kinds of other contaminates.  It's causing a wholesale degeneration in the genome.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,07:05   

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....not you people....or Ted Haggard...Senator Larry Craig...Senator David Vitter...

unSupersport, you are a tard.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,07:14   

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....not you people....or Ted Haggard...Senator Larry Craig...Senator David Vitter...

unSupersport, you are a tard.

the only tards -- whatever that is -- are the people who believe in darwinism without even a shred of evidence that their chosen mechanism can accomplish what's advertised.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,07:24   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,07:14)
Quote (Steverino @ Sep. 18 2007,07:05)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....not you people....or Ted Haggard...Senator Larry Craig...Senator David Vitter...

unSupersport, you are a tard.

the only tards -- whatever that is -- are the people who believe in darwinism without even a shred of evidence that their chosen mechanism can accomplish what's advertised.

whereas you don't have a single shred of evidence that
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bacteria don't eat an assortment of chemicals, fats, salts, additives, hydrogenated oils, sodas, chips, fries, burgers, onion rings, Cheetos, fruit juice and corn dogs.....we do. Add on top of that exposure to pollution, industrial toxins, city water that's been loaded with fluoride and chlorine, pesticides, and all kinds of other contaminates.  It's causing a wholesale degeneration in the genome.


It's just a plain assertion.

You believe something yet have no proof.

SS, please tell me how bacteria manage to avoid pollution, industrial toxins, city water etc?

So you appear to be saying where we find pollution we won't find any bacteria?

That appears to be contradicted by

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Bacteria found in radioactive waste Hanford. U.S. Scientists studying the soil beneath a leaking Hanford nuclear waste storage tank have discovered more than 100 species of bacteria living in a toxic, radioactive environment that most considered inhospitable to all forms of life. According to a microbial ecologist at the Pacific Northwest Laboratory in Richland, living organisms were even found in some of the most contaminated zones. For most living creatures, the nuclear and chemical waste in the underground storage tanks on the Hanford Nuclear Reservation in eastern Washington is the deadliest mixture of toxins and radioactive muck on the planet. For certain bacteria however, the toxic goop left over from decades of nuclear weapons production appears to be a second home.


Link

Please explain this. It seems to completely disprove your point 100%.

Now, try again.

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So we're supposed to do all the work, for nothing, in hopes you'll learn something?

well, actually, since you guys are the ones passing this stuff off as fact to school kids, it might be nice to see a little evidence that the mechanism can do as advertised.

Funny, the exact same could apply to the indoctrination generally known as "church".

After all, you pass this stuff of as fact to school kids (Heaven, He11 eternal damnation etc) and it would be nice to see a little evidence that it happens as advertised.

I mean, i'd not want to spend my whole life believing something that turns out to be false, would I SS?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,07:35   

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Probably diet....

Oh,
"Probably". That old saving grace of creationists everywhere. AFDave's "it could have" springs to mind.

If you had the confidence of your convictions you'd have no need for the "Probably". I mean, if you knew it for a fact you can just state as much. No Probably required.

If you have evidence to back up your claims, you'd state it, no Probably required.

If you are just guessing wildly because you don't really have a clue and need to justify it to yourself, because otherwise where does that leave the rest of your belief system, then yes, you might need to throw in quite a few "Probably".

In fact, I might invest in shares of "Probably", this thread will have more then it's fair share.

SuperSport - Here's a tip. Your answer to my question is a "just so story". Handwaving essentially.

And you say there's no evidence for "evilutionism".

Here's laughing at you, kid.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,07:36   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,07:14)
Quote (Steverino @ Sep. 18 2007,07:05)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....not you people....or Ted Haggard...Senator Larry Craig...Senator David Vitter...

unSupersport, you are a tard.

the only tards -- whatever that is -- are the people who believe in darwinism without even a shred of evidence that their chosen mechanism can accomplish what's advertised.

No, "Tard" would be those too ignorant to acknowledge what is and is not evidence.

Please post any evidence that supports YEC or ID.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:03   

Quote (Steverino @ Sep. 18 2007,07:36)
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Quote (Steverino @ Sep. 18 2007,07:05)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....not you people....or Ted Haggard...Senator Larry Craig...Senator David Vitter...

unSupersport, you are a tard.

the only tards -- whatever that is -- are the people who believe in darwinism without even a shred of evidence that their chosen mechanism can accomplish what's advertised.

No, "Tard" would be those too ignorant to acknowledge what is and is not evidence.

Please post any evidence that supports YEC or ID.

the evidence of YEC is the simple fact that lifeforms could not have built up materialistically over time.  There is no physical way (as evidence of this thread that mutations can't do it.)  Therefore, life must have appeared instantly by way of mental processes.  The only question now is when it happened (like that really matters)...but I would say YEC is certainly a possibility since the dinosaurs have been unearthed with soft tissue and proteins in their bones, meaning some of the most "ancient" of earths creatures still have organic material hanging off them.   Also, as far as human evolution goes, there are a grand total of about 200 Neanderthal individuals unearthed, about 25 or so of the so-called "homo erectus" unearthed ---- these people, if they evolved into modern humans would have had to number in the multi, multi millions.......so where the heck are they?  Evos will come back and say that fossilization is rare, and I would agree -- it only happens when it floods or when lots of water is around.  But you guys cannot count evidence that doesn't exist -- and the evidence shows there's simply not enough dead humans in the ground for evolution to have ever dreamed of happening.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:09   

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Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,07:14)
 
Quote (Steverino @ Sep. 18 2007,07:05)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....not you people....or Ted Haggard...Senator Larry Craig...Senator David Vitter...

unSupersport, you are a tard.

the only tards -- whatever that is -- are the people who believe in darwinism without even a shred of evidence that their chosen mechanism can accomplish what's advertised.

No, "Tard" would be those too ignorant to acknowledge what is and is not evidence.

Please post any evidence that supports YEC or ID.

the evidence of YEC is the simple fact that lifeforms could not have built up materialistically over time.  There is no physical way (as evidence of this thread that mutations can't do it.)  Therefore, life must have appeared instantly by way of mental processes.  The only question now is when it happened (like that really matters)...but I would say YEC is certainly a possibility since the dinosaurs have been unearthed with soft tissue and proteins in their bones, meaning some of the most "ancient" of earths creatures still have organic material hanging off them.   Also, as far as human evolution goes, there are a grand total of about 200 Neanderthal individuals unearthed, about 25 or so of the so-called "homo erectus" unearthed ---- these people, if they evolved into modern humans would have had to number in the multi, multi millions.......so where the heck are they?  Evos will come back and say that fossilization is rare, and I would agree -- it only happens when it floods or when lots of water is around.  But you guys cannot count evidence that doesn't exist -- and the evidence shows there's simply not enough dead humans in the ground for evolution to have ever dreamed of happening.

The evidence shows that you have no answer to my point regarding bacteria and toxic environments.

Nice try to handwaive it away 10/10.

Do you have a reference/link for the dinosaurs with "organic material hanging off them"?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:11   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,08:03)
the evidence of YEC is the simple fact that lifeforms could not have built up materialistically over time.  There is no physical way (as evidence of this thread that mutations can't do it.)  Therefore, life must have appeared instantly by way of mental processes.

Sure. That makes perfect sense to me...

Do these guys ever listen to themselves? Basically he is saying that X is impossible, so therefore the equally impossible Y is the only possible answer...

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:14   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Sep. 18 2007,08:09)
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Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,07:14)
   
Quote (Steverino @ Sep. 18 2007,07:05)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....not you people....or Ted Haggard...Senator Larry Craig...Senator David Vitter...

unSupersport, you are a tard.

the only tards -- whatever that is -- are the people who believe in darwinism without even a shred of evidence that their chosen mechanism can accomplish what's advertised.

No, "Tard" would be those too ignorant to acknowledge what is and is not evidence.

Please post any evidence that supports YEC or ID.

the evidence of YEC is the simple fact that lifeforms could not have built up materialistically over time.  There is no physical way (as evidence of this thread that mutations can't do it.)  Therefore, life must have appeared instantly by way of mental processes.  The only question now is when it happened (like that really matters)...but I would say YEC is certainly a possibility since the dinosaurs have been unearthed with soft tissue and proteins in their bones, meaning some of the most "ancient" of earths creatures still have organic material hanging off them.   Also, as far as human evolution goes, there are a grand total of about 200 Neanderthal individuals unearthed, about 25 or so of the so-called "homo erectus" unearthed ---- these people, if they evolved into modern humans would have had to number in the multi, multi millions.......so where the heck are they?  Evos will come back and say that fossilization is rare, and I would agree -- it only happens when it floods or when lots of water is around.  But you guys cannot count evidence that doesn't exist -- and the evidence shows there's simply not enough dead humans in the ground for evolution to have ever dreamed of happening.

The evidence shows that you have no answer to my point regarding bacteria and toxic environments.

Nice try to handwaive it away 10/10.

Do you have a reference/link for the dinosaurs with "organic material hanging off them"?

you have yet to show that they aren't degenerating.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:15   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Sep. 18 2007,08:11)
Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,08:03)
the evidence of YEC is the simple fact that lifeforms could not have built up materialistically over time.  There is no physical way (as evidence of this thread that mutations can't do it.)  Therefore, life must have appeared instantly by way of mental processes.

Sure. That makes perfect sense to me...

Do these guys ever listen to themselves? Basically he is saying that X is impossible, so therefore the equally impossible Y is the only possible answer...

Not only that but "the simple fact that lifeforms could not have built up materialistically over time" can easily be countered by the equally simplistic "the simple fact that lifeforms could have been built up materialistically over time"

No wonder the creationists like "argument by assertion", it's just like reading the bible!

"It's the way it is b'coz gawd says it is, no question".

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:17   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Sep. 18 2007,08:11)
Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,08:03)
the evidence of YEC is the simple fact that lifeforms could not have built up materialistically over time.  There is no physical way (as evidence of this thread that mutations can't do it.)  Therefore, life must have appeared instantly by way of mental processes.

Sure. That makes perfect sense to me...

Do these guys ever listen to themselves? Basically he is saying that X is impossible, so therefore the equally impossible Y is the only possible answer...

no I actually gave you a couple reasons, did you actually read my post?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:18   

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Quote (Steverino @ Sep. 18 2007,07:05)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....not you people....or Ted Haggard...Senator Larry Craig...Senator David Vitter...

unSupersport, you are a tard.

the only tards -- whatever that is -- are the people who believe in darwinism without even a shred of evidence that their chosen mechanism can accomplish what's advertised.

No, "Tard" would be those too ignorant to acknowledge what is and is not evidence.

Please post any evidence that supports YEC or ID.

the evidence of YEC is the simple fact that lifeforms could not have built up materialistically over time.  There is no physical way (as evidence of this thread that mutations can't do it.)  Therefore, life must have appeared instantly by way of mental processes.  The only question now is when it happened (like that really matters)...but I would say YEC is certainly a possibility since the dinosaurs have been unearthed with soft tissue and proteins in their bones, meaning some of the most "ancient" of earths creatures still have organic material hanging off them.   Also, as far as human evolution goes, there are a grand total of about 200 Neanderthal individuals unearthed, about 25 or so of the so-called "homo erectus" unearthed ---- these people, if they evolved into modern humans would have had to number in the multi, multi millions.......so where the heck are they?  Evos will come back and say that fossilization is rare, and I would agree -- it only happens when it floods or when lots of water is around.  But you guys cannot count evidence that doesn't exist -- and the evidence shows there's simply not enough dead humans in the ground for evolution to have ever dreamed of happening.

The evidence shows that you have no answer to my point regarding bacteria and toxic environments.

Nice try to handwaive it away 10/10.

Do you have a reference/link for the dinosaurs with "organic material hanging off them"?

you have yet to show that they aren't degenerating.

Supersport, how long do you think it takes the average bacteria to reproduce?

Sanfords generic entropy puts an upper limit on the number of available reproduction events.

Supersport, I know they are not degenerating because they are still there after the maximum amount of reproductive events Sanford says are available to them.

I ask again, how long do you think it takes the average bacteria to reproduce?

And how many generations does that give us per year?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:18   

SuperSport: Do you have a reference/link for the dinosaurs with "organic material hanging off them"?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:21   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Sep. 18 2007,08:18)
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Quote (Steverino @ Sep. 18 2007,07:36)
   
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Quote (Steverino @ Sep. 18 2007,07:05)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....not you people....or Ted Haggard...Senator Larry Craig...Senator David Vitter...

unSupersport, you are a tard.

the only tards -- whatever that is -- are the people who believe in darwinism without even a shred of evidence that their chosen mechanism can accomplish what's advertised.

No, "Tard" would be those too ignorant to acknowledge what is and is not evidence.

Please post any evidence that supports YEC or ID.

the evidence of YEC is the simple fact that lifeforms could not have built up materialistically over time.  There is no physical way (as evidence of this thread that mutations can't do it.)  Therefore, life must have appeared instantly by way of mental processes.  The only question now is when it happened (like that really matters)...but I would say YEC is certainly a possibility since the dinosaurs have been unearthed with soft tissue and proteins in their bones, meaning some of the most "ancient" of earths creatures still have organic material hanging off them.   Also, as far as human evolution goes, there are a grand total of about 200 Neanderthal individuals unearthed, about 25 or so of the so-called "homo erectus" unearthed ---- these people, if they evolved into modern humans would have had to number in the multi, multi millions.......so where the heck are they?  Evos will come back and say that fossilization is rare, and I would agree -- it only happens when it floods or when lots of water is around.  But you guys cannot count evidence that doesn't exist -- and the evidence shows there's simply not enough dead humans in the ground for evolution to have ever dreamed of happening.

The evidence shows that you have no answer to my point regarding bacteria and toxic environments.

Nice try to handwaive it away 10/10.

Do you have a reference/link for the dinosaurs with "organic material hanging off them"?

you have yet to show that they aren't degenerating.

Supersport, how long do you think it takes the average bacteria to reproduce?

Sanfords generic entropy puts an upper limit on the number of available reproduction events.

Supersport, I know they are not degenerating because they are still there after the maximum amount of reproductive events Sanford says are available to them.

I ask again, how long do you think it takes the average bacteria to reproduce?

And how many generations does that give us per year?

sorry that doesn't cut it -- if you are going to make an assertion that bacteria aren't degenerating you are going to have to provide proof.  Besides that, degeneration happens in ways that cannot be seen in genes.  For example, many diseases are heritable, thereby degenerating a population, but these diseases cannot be seen in the genome, but in the epigenome.  The degeneration is not with the genes themselves, but in the mental processes that control the genes.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:23   

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SuperSport: Do you have a reference/link for the dinosaurs with "organic material hanging off them"?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050325100541.htm

Conventional wisdom among paleontologists states that when dinosaurs died and became fossilized, soft tissues didn't preserve the bones were essentially transformed into "rocks" through a gradual replacement of all organic material by minerals. New research by a North Carolina State University paleontologist, however, could literally turn that theory inside out.


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Dr. Mary Schweitzer, assistant professor of paleontology with a joint appointment at the N.C. Museum of Natural Sciences, has succeeded in isolating soft tissue from the femur of a 68-million-year-old dinosaur. Not only is the tissue largely intact, it's still transparent and pliable, and microscopic interior structures resembling blood vessels and even cells are still present.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:25   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,08:17)
no I actually gave you a couple reasons, did you actually read my post?

Yeah, I read it. But even upon re-reading it, I remain convinced that you gave me lots of opinions, and no reasons. Nevertheless, I'm willing to overlook it this time.

Please give me a reason why I should accept this opinion  
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Therefore, life must have appeared instantly by way of mental processes.

Please make this some sort of positive evidence from the scientific, peer-reviewed literature, rather than negative evidence such as a criticism of evolutionary theory.

thanks

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As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:30   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Sep. 18 2007,08:25)
Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,08:17)
no I actually gave you a couple reasons, did you actually read my post?

Yeah, I read it. But even upon re-reading it, I remain convinced that you gave me lots of opinions, and no reasons. Nevertheless, I'm willing to overlook it this time.

Please give me a reason why I should accept this opinion    
Quote
Therefore, life must have appeared instantly by way of mental processes.

Please make this some sort of positive evidence from the scientific, peer-reviewed literature, rather than negative evidence such as a criticism of evolutionary theory.

thanks

you want evidence from peer review?  That's like going to a church and demanding evidence that God doesn't exist.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:31   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,08:23)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Sep. 18 2007,08:18)
SuperSport: Do you have a reference/link for the dinosaurs with "organic material hanging off them"?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050325100541.htm

Conventional wisdom among paleontologists states that when dinosaurs died and became fossilized, soft tissues didn't preserve the bones were essentially transformed into "rocks" through a gradual replacement of all organic material by minerals. New research by a North Carolina State University paleontologist, however, could literally turn that theory inside out.


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Dr. Mary Schweitzer, assistant professor of paleontology with a joint appointment at the N.C. Museum of Natural Sciences, has succeeded in isolating soft tissue from the femur of a 68-million-year-old dinosaur. Not only is the tissue largely intact, it's still transparent and pliable, and microscopic interior structures resembling blood vessels and even cells are still present.

Very good.

Now, last question.

Do you agree or disagree with this quotation from the very article you linked to

Quote
68-million-year-old dinosaur


Do you accept the dino is really 68 million years old?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:33   

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SuperSport: Do you have a reference/link for the dinosaurs with "organic material hanging off them"?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050325100541.htm

Conventional wisdom among paleontologists states that when dinosaurs died and became fossilized, soft tissues didn't preserve the bones were essentially transformed into "rocks" through a gradual replacement of all organic material by minerals. New research by a North Carolina State University paleontologist, however, could literally turn that theory inside out.


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Dr. Mary Schweitzer, assistant professor of paleontology with a joint appointment at the N.C. Museum of Natural Sciences, has succeeded in isolating soft tissue from the femur of a 68-million-year-old dinosaur. Not only is the tissue largely intact, it's still transparent and pliable, and microscopic interior structures resembling blood vessels and even cells are still present.

Very good.

Now, last question.

Do you agree or disagree with this quotation from the very article you linked to

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68-million-year-old dinosaur


Do you accept the dino is really 68 million years old?

maybe 6,800 years old....not 68 million, no.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:35   

sorry, I missed something here.  Could you go back and expand on "the mental process that controls the genome?"  Not sure what you mean by that.  Also, SS, you really didn't expect to get an answer to your question here, did you?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:38   

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sorry, I missed something here.  Could you go back and expand on "the mental process that controls the genome?"  Not sure what you mean by that.  Also, SS, you really didn't expect to get an answer to your question here, did you?

go back to an earlier page and look for a post entitled "my philosophy"...that should get you started on what I believe.  Ultimately I think the genome is just a physical manifestation of the mind.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:39   

I expected some sort of an answer -- I wasn't expecting nothing, no.

  
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....not you people....or Ted Haggard...Senator Larry Craig...Senator David Vitter...

unSupersport, you are a tard.

the only tards -- whatever that is -- are the people who believe in darwinism without even a shred of evidence that their chosen mechanism can accomplish what's advertised.

No, "Tard" would be those too ignorant to acknowledge what is and is not evidence.

Please post any evidence that supports YEC or ID.

the evidence of YEC is the simple fact that lifeforms could not have built up materialistically over time.  There is no physical way (as evidence of this thread that mutations can't do it.)  Therefore, life must have appeared instantly by way of mental processes.  The only question now is when it happened (like that really matters)...but I would say YEC is certainly a possibility since the dinosaurs have been unearthed with soft tissue and proteins in their bones, meaning some of the most "ancient" of earths creatures still have organic material hanging off them.   Also, as far as human evolution goes, there are a grand total of about 200 Neanderthal individuals unearthed, about 25 or so of the so-called "homo erectus" unearthed ---- these people, if they evolved into modern humans would have had to number in the multi, multi millions.......so where the heck are they?  Evos will come back and say that fossilization is rare, and I would agree -- it only happens when it floods or when lots of water is around.  But you guys cannot count evidence that doesn't exist -- and the evidence shows there's simply not enough dead humans in the ground for evolution to have ever dreamed of happening.

The evidence shows that you have no answer to my point regarding bacteria and toxic environments.

Nice try to handwaive it away 10/10.

Do you have a reference/link for the dinosaurs with "organic material hanging off them"?

you have yet to show that they aren't degenerating.

Supersport, how long do you think it takes the average bacteria to reproduce?

Sanfords generic entropy puts an upper limit on the number of available reproduction events.

Supersport, I know they are not degenerating because they are still there after the maximum amount of reproductive events Sanford says are available to them.

I ask again, how long do you think it takes the average bacteria to reproduce?

And how many generations does that give us per year?

sorry that doesn't cut it -- if you are going to make an assertion that bacteria aren't degenerating you are going to have to provide proof.  Besides that, degeneration happens in ways that cannot be seen in genes.  For example, many diseases are heritable, thereby degenerating a population, but these diseases cannot be seen in the genome, but in the epigenome.  The degeneration is not with the genes themselves, but in the mental processes that control the genes.

It's a simple point and it's telling that you won't plug in the numbers.

a) What are the maximum number of reproduction events available to a bacteria?

b) How long does would it take to reach that number?

c) If the bacteria exist after that number, the Sanford must be wrong - right or wrong?

Here is an example of bacteria reproducing for millions of years. Please point out how these bacteria have degenerated. Please predict when we could expect them to reach the end of the available reproduction events for them.

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Scientists descending more than 2 miles into the hot, fractured rocks of a South African gold mine have discovered clans of microbes that have thrived there in total isolation for millions of years.
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"These bugs come from a formation at least 3 million and probably tens of millions of years old," said biologist Terry Hazen, head of the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory's ecology department and a co-author of the report. "They're living happily down there, remote and secluded, and they have the ability to adapt to anything that comes their way."


http://sfgate.com/

Now, I think I have reasonably "proven" that these bacteria are not degenerating, as if they were then they've had millions of years to do it and if they were degenerating then iwhy are they still here?

Your contention is that bacteria are degenerating, yet they happily live and reproduce for millions of years. You have been misled.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:41   

old man...you have NOT proven these bacteria have been around for millions of years....nor have proven there is no degeneration.

  
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SuperSport: Do you have a reference/link for the dinosaurs with "organic material hanging off them"?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050325100541.htm

Conventional wisdom among paleontologists states that when dinosaurs died and became fossilized, soft tissues didn't preserve the bones were essentially transformed into "rocks" through a gradual replacement of all organic material by minerals. New research by a North Carolina State University paleontologist, however, could literally turn that theory inside out.


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Dr. Mary Schweitzer, assistant professor of paleontology with a joint appointment at the N.C. Museum of Natural Sciences, has succeeded in isolating soft tissue from the femur of a 68-million-year-old dinosaur. Not only is the tissue largely intact, it's still transparent and pliable, and microscopic interior structures resembling blood vessels and even cells are still present.

Very good.

Now, last question.

Do you agree or disagree with this quotation from the very article you linked to

 
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68-million-year-old dinosaur


Do you accept the dino is really 68 million years old?

maybe 6,800 years old....not 68 million, no.

so you are happy to accept some of the conclusions of a given article (if they tally with your pre-existing beliefs) but are happy to reject others if not.

SuperSport, why don't YEC's go out and do some of your own research and then you'd not have to use articles that you can only accept part of.

I mean, why accept the part about the organic matter but reject the part about the age of the bones? What gives? How do you determine what part of a given article to believe, if it's in scripture?

Do you realize how foolish this makes you look?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:43   

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old man...you have NOT proven these bacteria have been around for millions of years....nor have proven there is no degeneration.

Nor have you proven that mental processes poofed life into existence.

So get busy.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:44   

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old man...you have NOT proven these bacteria have been around for millions of years....nor have proven there is no degeneration.

No, but the evidence is on my side.

Tell you what, why don't you "prove" that the bacteria have not been around for millions of years.

Then we'll talk.

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old man...you have NOT proven these bacteria have been around for millions of years....nor have proven there is no degeneration.

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Onstott and Pratt said in the report that the volcanic formation where the mine shaft penetrates deeply is nearly 3 billion years old. The water in which the community of microbes lives in rock fractures at the bottom of the shaft, they reported, has been isolated from the Earth's surface for millions of years. The dates are based on analyzing the ratio of noble gases like neon, krypton and argon who the water.


What standard of proof do you require? Cracking the rocks open in front of you? Would you believe it then?

You creationists amaze me. You demand "proof" yet are happy to accept the most ridiculous of tales (the ark) just because a man in a funny hat and dress is standing at a pulpit telling you it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:50   

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old man...you have NOT proven these bacteria have been around for millions of years....nor have proven there is no degeneration.

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Onstott and Pratt said in the report that the volcanic formation where the mine shaft penetrates deeply is nearly 3 billion years old. The water in which the community of microbes lives in rock fractures at the bottom of the shaft, they reported, has been isolated from the Earth's surface for millions of years. The dates are based on analyzing the ratio of noble gases like neon, krypton and argon who the water.


What standard of proof do you require? Cracking the rocks open in front of you? Would you believe it then?

You creationists amaze me. You demand "proof" yet are happy to accept the most ridiculous of tales (the ark) just because a man in a funny hat and dress is standing at a pulpit telling you it.

There is actually quite a bit of evidence for a world-wide flood.

  
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Onstott and Pratt said in the report that the volcanic formation where the mine shaft penetrates deeply is nearly 3 billion years old. The water in which the community of microbes lives in rock fractures at the bottom of the shaft, they reported, has been isolated from the Earth's surface for millions of years. The dates are based on analyzing the ratio of noble gases like neon, krypton and argon who the water.


What standard of proof do you require? Cracking the rocks open in front of you? Would you believe it then?

You creationists amaze me. You demand "proof" yet are happy to accept the most ridiculous of tales (the ark) just because a man in a funny hat and dress is standing at a pulpit telling you it.

There is actually quite a bit of evidence for a world-wide flood.

If there was a world wide flood there should be a world-wide sediment layer indicating pre-flood and post-flood boundaries.

Please point to that layer.

As it's "world-wide" there should be no problem pointing it out at innumerable locations.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:54   

I'm not going into the details this author mentions in his book for evidence of the flood, but he ends his discussion with this comment:

book: Atlantis -- The Antediluvian World by Donnelly

"No one can read these legends and doubt that the Flood was an historical reality.  It is impossible that in two different places in the Old World, remote from each other, religious ceremonies should have been established and perpetuated from age to age in memory of an event which never occurred.  ....It is too much to ask us to believe that Biblical history, Chaldean, Iranian, and Greek legends signify nothing and that even religious pilgrimages and national festivities were based upon myth."  Pg. 79

  
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old man...you have NOT proven these bacteria have been around for millions of years....nor have proven there is no degeneration.

 
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Onstott and Pratt said in the report that the volcanic formation where the mine shaft penetrates deeply is nearly 3 billion years old. The water in which the community of microbes lives in rock fractures at the bottom of the shaft, they reported, has been isolated from the Earth's surface for millions of years. The dates are based on analyzing the ratio of noble gases like neon, krypton and argon who the water.


What standard of proof do you require? Cracking the rocks open in front of you? Would you believe it then?

You creationists amaze me. You demand "proof" yet are happy to accept the most ridiculous of tales (the ark) just because a man in a funny hat and dress is standing at a pulpit telling you it.

There is actually quite a bit of evidence for a world-wide flood.

If there was a world wide flood there should be a world-wide sediment layer indicating pre-flood and post-flood boundaries.

Please point to that layer.

As it's "world-wide" there should be no problem pointing it out at innumerable locations.

no there shouldn't.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,08:57   

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I'm not going into the details this author mentions in his book for evidence of the flood, but he ends his discussion with this comment:

book: Atlantis -- The Antediluvian World by Donnelly

"No one can read these legends and doubt that the Flood was an historical reality.  It is impossible that in two different places in the Old World, remote from each other, religious ceremonies should have been established and perpetuated from age to age in memory of an event which never occurred.  ....It is too much to ask us to believe that Biblical history, Chaldean, Iranian, and Greek legends signify nothing and that even religious pilgrimages and national festivities were based upon myth."  Pg. 79

I did not ask you to "go into details".

I asked you (as you are obviously an expert) where the world wide flood boundary can be found in the geological record.

It's not a complex question.

Anybody would think you were deliberately avoiding the question.

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old man...you have NOT proven these bacteria have been around for millions of years....nor have proven there is no degeneration.

   
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Onstott and Pratt said in the report that the volcanic formation where the mine shaft penetrates deeply is nearly 3 billion years old. The water in which the community of microbes lives in rock fractures at the bottom of the shaft, they reported, has been isolated from the Earth's surface for millions of years. The dates are based on analyzing the ratio of noble gases like neon, krypton and argon who the water.


What standard of proof do you require? Cracking the rocks open in front of you? Would you believe it then?

You creationists amaze me. You demand "proof" yet are happy to accept the most ridiculous of tales (the ark) just because a man in a funny hat and dress is standing at a pulpit telling you it.

There is actually quite a bit of evidence for a world-wide flood.

If there was a world wide flood there should be a world-wide sediment layer indicating pre-flood and post-flood boundaries.

Please point to that layer.

As it's "world-wide" there should be no problem pointing it out at innumerable locations.

no there shouldn't.

"no there shouldn't."? Was that your answer?

To Rephrase:
No, there should not be a problem pointing out where the boundary is

If there's no problem please point it out!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:00   

hey, old man...if dinosaurs are 100 million years old, why are their bones found on the surface of the ground?....what's up with that?

  
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I can also show you fossilized humans were found in the same area as fossilized dinosaurs.

  
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hey, old man...if dinosaurs are 100 million years old, why are their bones found on the surface of the ground?....what's up with that?

Changing the subject?

Diamonds are also many millions of years old, yet we find them lying around on the surface.

What's up with that?

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hey, old man...if dinosaurs are 100 million years old, why are their bones found on the surface of the ground?....what's up with that?

Changing the subject?

Diamonds are also many millions of years old, yet we find them lying around on the surface.

What's up with that?

good point -- yet another contradiction.

  
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hey, old man...if dinosaurs are 100 million years old, why are their bones found on the surface of the ground?....what's up with that?

You've heard about "erosion", right?

  
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I can also show you fossilized humans were found in the same area as fossilized dinosaurs.

Same area, no doubt. Same layer? All over the world? I doubt that.

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I can also show you fossilized humans were found in the same area as fossilized dinosaurs.

Same area? Same Strata?

Whatever, please bring on the information, links, whatever.

So, just so we're clear Supersport, it's your contention that humans and Dinosaurs existed at the same time in the same places?

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hey, old man...if dinosaurs are 100 million years old, why are their bones found on the surface of the ground?....what's up with that?

You've heard about "erosion", right?

right....so how does encased rock get eroded off bones so that the bones are free and clear of it?  It takes scientists special tools, instruments and chemicals to get rock off bones.....yet you say rain can do it.  Go figure.   You can't count evidence that you can't see.  I see bones laying on the surface......you have no scientific explanation.

  
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I can also show you fossilized humans were found in the same area as fossilized dinosaurs.

Same area, no doubt. Same layer? All over the world? I doubt that.

all over the world?  It just takes one spot, right?

  
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hey, old man...if dinosaurs are 100 million years old, why are their bones found on the surface of the ground?....what's up with that?

Changing the subject?

Diamonds are also many millions of years old, yet we find them lying around on the surface.

What's up with that?

good point -- yet another contradiction.

Another contradiction in what?

What do you mean?

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hey, old man...if dinosaurs are 100 million years old, why are their bones found on the surface of the ground?....what's up with that?

You've heard about "erosion", right?

right....so how does encased rock get eroded off bones so that the bones are free and clear of it?  It takes scientists special tools, instruments and chemicals to get rock off bones.....yet you say rain can do it.  Go figure.   You can't count evidence that you can't see.  I see bones laying on the surface......you have no scientific explanation.

Rain CAN do it.

Are you seriously suggesting rain can't wash earth away similarly or better than tools?

Ye gods.

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I can also show you fossilized humans were found in the same area as fossilized dinosaurs.

Same area? Same Strata?

Whatever, please bring on the information, links, whatever.

So, just so we're clear Supersport, it's your contention that humans and Dinosaurs existed at the same time in the same places?

http://www.projectexploration.org/niger2000/11_04_2000.htm

"“There’s something big over here!” shouted Allison. We gathered around her find, a blackened, fossilized skull fragment more than a foot across. After puzzling over the piece briefly, I declared “It’s a cow, a fossilized cow skull.”

Now what was a fossil cow skull doing in a place like this – an area rich in dinosaur bone more than 100 million years old?


T ime-blackened fossil remains of rhinos, goats, and crocodiles recovered from a floodplain sit on the hood of the Land Rover alongside stone tools and remains of fossilized humans.

More pieces of the puzzle were being picked up by other team members. Dave exclaimed gleefully, “Look, it’s human! Part of the skull!” as he held high the curved plate of bone that shields the massive human brain. He never expected to find fossil humans on a dinosaur expedition."

  
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I can also show you fossilized humans were found in the same area as fossilized dinosaurs.

Same area, no doubt. Same layer? All over the world? I doubt that.

all over the world?  It just takes one spot, right?

Bring it on.

In the same vein, if we can show one prediction that the bible makes is 100% wrong, that proves the bible is not true?

It just takes one contradiction right?

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"No one can read these legends and doubt that the Flood was an historical reality


Careful child, quoting stories from the imagined history of a post literal world makes your argument look like argumentum ex Hollywood in terms of the history of the Earth. 2500 years ago when Genesis was written compared to the birth of film 100 years ago is an order of magnitude of 10 to the power of 6 compared with the total age of the earth.  

In other words irrelavant.

You not only couldn't pay attention in class you were incapable, isn’t that right sStuporSorter?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:10   

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I can also show you fossilized humans were found in the same area as fossilized dinosaurs.

Same area, no doubt. Same layer? All over the world? I doubt that.

all over the world?  It just takes one spot, right?

If it was something as bizzare as rabbits in clearly pre-cambrian rock, then yeah.

If it's fossil humans and fossil dino's in one area where there's been a lot of geographical turbulence, not so much.

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You NEVER seem to address the fact that the grand majority of people supporting Darwinism in these on line forums and blogs are atheists. That doesn't seem to bother you guys in the least. - FtK

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:12   

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I can also show you fossilized humans were found in the same area as fossilized dinosaurs.

Same area, no doubt. Same layer? All over the world? I doubt that.

all over the world?  It just takes one spot, right?

If it was something as bizzare as rabbits in clearly pre-cambrian rock, then yeah.

If it's fossil humans and fossil dino's in one area where there's been a lot of geographical turbulence, not so much.

there's been geologic turbulence everywhere.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:12   

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I can also show you fossilized humans were found in the same area as fossilized dinosaurs.

Same area? Same Strata?

Whatever, please bring on the information, links, whatever.

So, just so we're clear Supersport, it's your contention that humans and Dinosaurs existed at the same time in the same places?

http://www.projectexploration.org/niger2000/11_04_2000.htm

"“There’s something big over here!” shouted Allison. We gathered around her find, a blackened, fossilized skull fragment more than a foot across. After puzzling over the piece briefly, I declared “It’s a cow, a fossilized cow skull.”

Now what was a fossil cow skull doing in a place like this – an area rich in dinosaur bone more than 100 million years old?


T ime-blackened fossil remains of rhinos, goats, and crocodiles recovered from a floodplain sit on the hood of the Land Rover alongside stone tools and remains of fossilized humans.

More pieces of the puzzle were being picked up by other team members. Dave exclaimed gleefully, “Look, it’s human! Part of the skull!” as he held high the curved plate of bone that shields the massive human brain. He never expected to find fossil humans on a dinosaur expedition."

You should have turned to the next page SuperSport. It's all explained
 
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Dinosaurs and humans did not live at the same time. The last of the dinosaurs died out 60 million years before the first modern human ever walked the earth. Paleontologists study ancient life forms, including dinosaurs. Archaeologists, on the other hand, study evidence of ancient humans. While the formal study of these subjects are different, the concurrence of “recent fossils” with dinosaur fossils is not uncommon. Archaeologists have even found tools and jewlery carved out of dinosaur bones.


Your "proof" Supersport comes from a non-scientific field trip out to collect bones. Does this sound like a professional expedition?
 
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Soon a pile of bone lay on the hood of one of the Land Rovers. “Put all fossil human pieces here, fish go there. Put non-human mammal finds here.”


Yet again SuperSport, you use an article that flatly contradicts the assertions you are making. You said this article supports your contention that man and dino lived at the same time. Even the article says that that's not true.

Wake up man! If this is the best you've got then give up now.

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hey, old man...if dinosaurs are 100 million years old, why are their bones found on the surface of the ground?....what's up with that?

You've heard about "erosion", right?

right....so how does encased rock get eroded off bones so that the bones are free and clear of it?  It takes scientists special tools, instruments and chemicals to get rock off bones.....yet you say rain can do it.  Go figure.   You can't count evidence that you can't see.  I see bones laying on the surface......you have no scientific explanation.

I find amusing that you want a scientific explanation, while you favor Goddidit over scientific facts.
So just to be clear, you also refute all geology?

Is it part of the big conspiracy?

:O

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:14   

old man -- that's not an explanation -- that's a belief -- the reality is these bones were found together.  The observable evidence is on my side.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:15   

Old Man: "Yet again SuperSport, you use an article that flatly contradicts the assertions you are making. You said this article supports your contention that man and dino lived at the same time. Even the article says that that's not true"

No, reread what I actually did say....I said fossilized human and fossilized dino bones have been found in the same area.

  
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I can also show you fossilized humans were found in the same area as fossilized dinosaurs.

Same area, no doubt. Same layer? All over the world? I doubt that.

all over the world?  It just takes one spot, right?

If it was something as bizzare as rabbits in clearly pre-cambrian rock, then yeah.

If it's fossil humans and fossil dino's in one area where there's been a lot of geographical turbulence, not so much.

there's been geologic turbulence everywhere.

except that you cannot point to the flood layer in the geologic record that should exist world-wide according to you. Or did this flood happen without disturbing a single pebble?

It's funny how this "turbulence" only affects that one strata.

What a co-incidence.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:16   

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I can also show you fossilized humans were found in the same area as fossilized dinosaurs.

Same area, no doubt. Same layer? All over the world? I doubt that.

all over the world?  It just takes one spot, right?

If it was something as bizzare as rabbits in clearly pre-cambrian rock, then yeah.

If it's fossil humans and fossil dino's in one area where there's been a lot of geographical turbulence, not so much.

there's been geologic turbulence everywhere.

On a minor scale, yeah.

Unless you're talking about the flood? Please tell me how the water got there without boiling all life.

Then tell me how big the ark was, and what animals were on it.

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You NEVER seem to address the fact that the grand majority of people supporting Darwinism in these on line forums and blogs are atheists. That doesn't seem to bother you guys in the least. - FtK

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:16   

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Old Man: "Yet again SuperSport, you use an article that flatly contradicts the assertions you are making. You said this article supports your contention that man and dino lived at the same time. Even the article says that that's not true"

No, reread what I actually did say....I said fossilized human and fossilized dino bones have been found in the same area.

Yes, a museum also contains fossil human and Dino bones.

You can say of these also that they were "found in the same area".

So what?

What does "finding them in the same area" prove then? That man lived with Dino? Is that what you are saying?

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hey, old man...if dinosaurs are 100 million years old, why are their bones found on the surface of the ground?....what's up with that?

You've heard about "erosion", right?

right....so how does encased rock get eroded off bones so that the bones are free and clear of it?  It takes scientists special tools, instruments and chemicals to get rock off bones.....yet you say rain can do it.  Go figure.   You can't count evidence that you can't see.  I see bones laying on the surface......you have no scientific explanation.

I find amusing that you want a scientific explanation, while you favor Goddidit over scientific facts.
So just to be clear, you also refute all geology?

Is it part of the big conspiracy?

:O

I just don't trust atheists as far as I can throw them.  They'll only "find" evidence that they can manipulate to further their worldview....all the contradictory evidence gets lied about, hidden, or left in the ground.

Geologists are no different than atheists in other areas of science.

  
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Old Man: "Yet again SuperSport, you use an article that flatly contradicts the assertions you are making. You said this article supports your contention that man and dino lived at the same time. Even the article says that that's not true"

No, reread what I actually did say....I said fossilized human and fossilized dino bones have been found in the same area.

Yes, a museum also contains fossil human and Dino bones.

You can say of these also that they were "found in the same area".

So what?

What does "finding them in the same area" prove then? That man lived with Dino? Is that what you are saying?

I'm saying the fact that humans and dinos are found in the same rock, the same strata, and the fact that dinos have soft, organic tissue embedded in their bones proves that they did not, could not have died out millions of years ago.

  
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hey, old man...if dinosaurs are 100 million years old, why are their bones found on the surface of the ground?....what's up with that?

You've heard about "erosion", right?

right....so how does encased rock get eroded off bones so that the bones are free and clear of it?  It takes scientists special tools, instruments and chemicals to get rock off bones.....yet you say rain can do it.  Go figure.   You can't count evidence that you can't see.  I see bones laying on the surface......you have no scientific explanation.

I find amusing that you want a scientific explanation, while you favor Goddidit over scientific facts.
So just to be clear, you also refute all geology?

Is it part of the big conspiracy?

:O

I just don't trust atheists as far as I can throw them.  They'll only "find" evidence that they can manipulate to further their worldview....all the contradictory evidence gets lied about, hidden, or left in the ground.

Geologists are no different than atheists in other areas of science.

1. Why don't you trust atheists? What evidence made you think they are liars?

2. What about the religious scientists who accept evolution, such as Wes?

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hey, old man...if dinosaurs are 100 million years old, why are their bones found on the surface of the ground?....what's up with that?

You've heard about "erosion", right?

right....so how does encased rock get eroded off bones so that the bones are free and clear of it?  It takes scientists special tools, instruments and chemicals to get rock off bones.....yet you say rain can do it.  Go figure.   You can't count evidence that you can't see.  I see bones laying on the surface......you have no scientific explanation.

I find amusing that you want a scientific explanation, while you favor Goddidit over scientific facts.
So just to be clear, you also refute all geology?

Is it part of the big conspiracy?

:O

I just don't trust atheists as far as I can throw them.  They'll only "find" evidence that they can manipulate to further their worldview....all the contradictory evidence gets lied about, hidden, or left in the ground.

Geologists are no different than atheists in other areas of science.

How do you know they're lying?

  
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I just don't trust atheists as far as I can throw them.  They'll only "find" evidence that they can manipulate to further their worldview....all the contradictory evidence gets lied about, hidden, or left in the ground.

Geologists are no different than atheists in other areas of science.



OH BOOHOOHOO friggen' HOO arsehole get on your white (w)horse and ride out of town to the band playing "march of the clowns"!!!

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hey, old man...if dinosaurs are 100 million years old, why are their bones found on the surface of the ground?....what's up with that?

You've heard about "erosion", right?

right....so how does encased rock get eroded off bones so that the bones are free and clear of it?  It takes scientists special tools, instruments and chemicals to get rock off bones.....yet you say rain can do it.  Go figure.   You can't count evidence that you can't see.  I see bones laying on the surface......you have no scientific explanation.

I find amusing that you want a scientific explanation, while you favor Goddidit over scientific facts.
So just to be clear, you also refute all geology?

Is it part of the big conspiracy?

:O

I just don't trust atheists as far as I can throw them.  They'll only "find" evidence that they can manipulate to further their worldview....all the contradictory evidence gets lied about, hidden, or left in the ground.

Geologists are no different than atheists in other areas of science.

1. Why don't you trust atheists? What evidence made you think they are liars?

2. What about the religious scientists who accept evolution, such as Wes?

I wouldn't necessarily call all atheists liars, but their problem is they simply cannot see the truth...consequently, untruths and wild guessing get passed over as reality.

  
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I'm saying the fact that humans and dinos are found in the same rock, the same strata,...

Where's the paper reporting that?

  
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I'm saying the fact that humans and dinos are found in the same rock, the same strata,...

Where's the paper reporting that?

in the trashcan....

  
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hey, old man...if dinosaurs are 100 million years old, why are their bones found on the surface of the ground?....what's up with that?

You've heard about "erosion", right?

right....so how does encased rock get eroded off bones so that the bones are free and clear of it?  It takes scientists special tools, instruments and chemicals to get rock off bones.....yet you say rain can do it.  Go figure.   You can't count evidence that you can't see.  I see bones laying on the surface......you have no scientific explanation.

I find amusing that you want a scientific explanation, while you favor Goddidit over scientific facts.
So just to be clear, you also refute all geology?

Is it part of the big conspiracy?

:O

I just don't trust atheists as far as I can throw them.  They'll only "find" evidence that they can manipulate to further their worldview....all the contradictory evidence gets lied about, hidden, or left in the ground.

Geologists are no different than atheists in other areas of science.

Is that why all the early geologists were in fact creationists out to provide proof for a young earth, only to realize that the in fact the evidence shows a old old earth

Do you really want to go here SuperSport? Do you really know that little about the history of all this stuff that you'd want to bring up Geologists?

Do a little research next time to avoid looking this foolish.

You did know this about the YEC Geologists right? How they went looking for proof of a young earth?

So, SuperSport, what to talk about creationist Geologists some more? Or are you embarrassed enough now?

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I'm saying the fact that humans and dinos are found in the same rock, the same strata,...

Where's the paper reporting that?

in the trashcan....

ah, you've had a proper look at the site you linked to now huh? Maybe you've realized that "a day trip hunting bones for tourists" is not exactly the sort of scientific evidence that people round here are going to accept?

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How do you know they're lying?

This is a very important question, SS. You should try to answer it.

  
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I wouldn't necessarily call all atheists liars, but their problem is they simply cannot see the truth...consequently, lies and untruths and wild guessing get passed over as reality.


Oh yeah coming from a guy who has difficulty counting change.......this is EARTH SHATTERING!!!!!

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This would make sense from a Biblical perspective. Remember how it was that Adam and Eve walked and talked in the Garden with God? I believe Adam and Eve were probably created perfectly and designed to live forever….it was only after sin entered that they Spiritually began to degenerate...and this process continues today.


Why is it you fundies have such a hangup about sex?

It's like you are trapped permanently in the birth canal.

everyone has hangups with sex....we "fundies" just don't do it with animals and with members of our own gender like others in society.

..until you get caught.

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I wouldn't necessarily call all atheists liars, but their problem is they simply cannot see the truth...consequently, untruths and wild guessing get passed over as reality.

So you believe that there are no theist scientists at all?

If we can prove that there are in fact theist scientists who also believe in evolution and a old earth, how do you you explain the consensus regarding "evilution".

If not all scientists are atheists then you can't explain it that way, as much as you might wish you could.

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I'm saying the fact that humans and dinos are found in the same rock, the same strata,...

Where's the paper reporting that?

in the trashcan....

ah, you've had a proper look at the site you linked to now huh? Maybe you've realized that "a day trip hunting bones for tourists" is not exactly the sort of scientific evidence that people round here are going to accept?

the only people who won't accept it are the kooks in science who don't want to accept it.

  
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I wouldn't necessarily call all atheists liars, but their problem is they simply cannot see the truth...consequently, untruths and wild guessing get passed over as reality.

So you believe that there are no theist scientists at all?

If we can prove that there are in fact theist scientists who also believe in evolution and a old earth, how do you you explain the consensus regarding "evilution".

If not all scientists are atheists then you can't explain it that way, as much as you might wish you could.

oh I have no doubt that there are Christian scientists.....but they are, however, materialists....and materialism often trumps anything and everything.  I think some scientists claim to be Christians on debate forums so they can better fool people (Christians) or lull them into believing that they're getting the truth.

These turkeys don't fool me though.

  
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I'm saying the fact that humans and dinos are found in the same rock, the same strata,...

Where's the paper reporting that?

in the trashcan....

ah, you've had a proper look at the site you linked to now huh? Maybe you've realized that "a day trip hunting bones for tourists" is not exactly the sort of scientific evidence that people round here are going to accept?

the only people who won't accept it are the kooks in science who don't want to accept it.

If your "proof" is a simple "here's how we did on our day out bone hunting" story, then are you surprised that it's not been accepted?

Provide some evidence for your position and then you can start to call people "kooks".

Degenerating to name-calling now are we Sport?

"kooks"?

Anyway, everybody "in science"  has accepted "it" years ago. Therefore everybody "in science" is a kook.

Put me in with the kooks if you are the alternative.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:29   

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This would make sense from a Biblical perspective. Remember how it was that Adam and Eve walked and talked in the Garden with God? I believe Adam and Eve were probably created perfectly and designed to live forever….it was only after sin entered that they Spiritually began to degenerate...and this process continues today.


Why is it you fundies have such a hangup about sex?

It's like you are trapped permanently in the birth canal.

everyone has hangups with sex....we "fundies" just don't do it with animals and with members of our own gender like others in society.

..until you get caught.

lol...good one.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:31   

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//the only people who won't accept it are the kooks in science who don't want to accept it.


Ah say .....ah say, boy .......can you you keep the quotable quotes down to one a day you are outgassing AFDAVE there boy!!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:33   

Out of curiosity, and not particularly relevant to the thread as a whole.

1. How did you find here super?

2. Do you hate atheists, or do you just think they are wrong? There's a big difference, someone like Wes thinks atheists are, if only with their lack of belief, wrong, but don't hate us.
On the other hand, someone who considers atheists evil, or wicked AS A WHOLE, hates atheists.

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I'm not the fastest or the baddest or the fatest.

You NEVER seem to address the fact that the grand majority of people supporting Darwinism in these on line forums and blogs are atheists. That doesn't seem to bother you guys in the least. - FtK

Roddenberry is my God.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:33   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,17:29)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 18 2007,09:25)
Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,06:52)
 
Quote (k.e @ Sep. 18 2007,02:30)
 
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This would make sense from a Biblical perspective. Remember how it was that Adam and Eve walked and talked in the Garden with God? I believe Adam and Eve were probably created perfectly and designed to live forever….it was only after sin entered that they Spiritually began to degenerate...and this process continues today.


Why is it you fundies have such a hangup about sex?

It's like you are trapped permanently in the birth canal.

everyone has hangups with sex....we "fundies" just don't do it with animals and with members of our own gender like others in society.

..until you get caught.

lol...good one.

Take no notice of him spectator sport he's a complete prima donna.

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The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:34   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,09:29)
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Quote (k.e @ Sep. 18 2007,02:30)
 
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This would make sense from a Biblical perspective. Remember how it was that Adam and Eve walked and talked in the Garden with God? I believe Adam and Eve were probably created perfectly and designed to live forever….it was only after sin entered that they Spiritually began to degenerate...and this process continues today.


Why is it you fundies have such a hangup about sex?

It's like you are trapped permanently in the birth canal.

everyone has hangups with sex....we "fundies" just don't do it with animals and with members of our own gender like others in society.

..until you get caught.

lol...good one.

funny thing about all that Sexual stuff is that people like Ted Haggart must not really believe in god at all.

After all, it's not like god's going to "catch" you is it? Ted must have known that god knew what he was up to straight away yet did it anyway.

So, he cannot really believe in god after all. If you did, why would you put in peril your immortal sole for a bit of crack-rock?

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
Gordon Mullings

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:35   

Quote (IanBrown_101 @ Sep. 18 2007,09:33)
Out of curiosity, and not particularly relevant to the thread as a whole.

1. How did you find here super?

2. Do you hate atheists, or do you just think they are wrong? There's a big difference, someone like Wes thinks atheists are, if only with their lack of belief, wrong, but don't hate us.
On the other hand, someone who considers atheists evil, or wicked AS A WHOLE, hates atheists.

I was browsing over at Brainstorms and saw a mention of this place.  I had never heard of it.  I'm glad I found it though...you guys are a riot.

No, I don't hate atheists....I used to be an unbeliever at one time myself.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:35   

Hi Supersport.

ERVs?

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v....search=

have fun!


Ps, are you an engineer?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:36   

Super, the next step is to start collecting the Q+A and note

a) the questions you have answered, what the answers were

b) the questions you are ignoring.

It'll make a funny reference document and this forum is well linked to so it'll float to the top of google eventually..

So, stop now or regret it for a long time to come. your dissembling and avoidance will be on display for all comers to see. Is that what you really want?

About those creationist geologists....

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:37   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,09:35)
Quote (IanBrown_101 @ Sep. 18 2007,09:33)
Out of curiosity, and not particularly relevant to the thread as a whole.

1. How did you find here super?

2. Do you hate atheists, or do you just think they are wrong? There's a big difference, someone like Wes thinks atheists are, if only with their lack of belief, wrong, but don't hate us.
On the other hand, someone who considers atheists evil, or wicked AS A WHOLE, hates atheists.

I was browsing over at Brainstorms and saw a mention of this place.  I had never heard of it.  I'm glad I found it though...you guys are a riot.

No, I don't hate atheists....I used to be an unbeliever at one time myself.

Do you hate those creationist YEC geologists who went out to prove a young earth but returned having proved a old old earth?

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
Gordon Mullings

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:38   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 18 2007,09:35)
Hi Supersport.

ERVs?

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v....search=

have fun!


Ps, are you an engineer?

that dude would make a great politician, lawyer or used car salesman.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:40   

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I think some scientists claim to be Christians on debate forums so they can better fool people (Christians) or lull them into believing that they're getting the truth.

These turkeys don't fool me though.


Gobble gobble eh? StuporSnort.

quoting oldmanintheskydidntdoit:
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funny thing about all that Sexual stuff is that people like Ted Haggart must not really believe in god at all.

After all, it's not like god's going to "catch" you is it? Ted must have known that god knew what he was up to straight away yet did it anyway.

So, he cannot really believe in god after all. If you did, why would you put in peril your immortal sole for a bit of crack-rock?


Crap oldmanintheskydidntdoit haven't you heard?

GOD'S GAY HE KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING ALL THE TIME.


Sheeeeesh!!!!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:42   

so if chimps and humans are so close genetically, why do we look so different -- and what makes us different?  Have you ever noticed that not one single piece of anatomy looks like the other?  Sure both humans and chimps share the same types of body parts, but none of them look the same at all.....why would this be?  Why would mutations + selection change a creature, yet not change a creature?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:43   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,15:35)
Quote (IanBrown_101 @ Sep. 18 2007,09:33)
Out of curiosity, and not particularly relevant to the thread as a whole.

1. How did you find here super?

2. Do you hate atheists, or do you just think they are wrong? There's a big difference, someone like Wes thinks atheists are, if only with their lack of belief, wrong, but don't hate us.
On the other hand, someone who considers atheists evil, or wicked AS A WHOLE, hates atheists.

I was browsing over at Brainstorms and saw a mention of this place.  I had never heard of it.  I'm glad I found it though...you guys are a riot.

No, I don't hate atheists....I used to be an unbeliever at one time myself.

Really? Is this not you then?

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"What happened to the happy-go-lucky, peace-loving athiest? The reality is atheists are dreadfully miserable, foul-mouthed individuals....Truly the pond scum of society


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I'm not the fastest or the baddest or the fatest.

You NEVER seem to address the fact that the grand majority of people supporting Darwinism in these on line forums and blogs are atheists. That doesn't seem to bother you guys in the least. - FtK

Roddenberry is my God.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:44   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,17:42)
so if chimps and humans are so close genetically, why do we look so different -- and what makes us different?  Have you ever noticed that not one single piece of anatomy looks like the other?  Sure both humans and chimps share the same types of body parts, but none of them look the same at all.....why would this be?  Why would mutations change a creature, yet not change a creature?

Ah sorry to be the bearer of bad news SS


BUT NOBODY GIVES A FLYING FUCK WHAT YOU THINK!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:44   

Quote (IanBrown_101 @ Sep. 18 2007,09:43)
Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,15:35)
Quote (IanBrown_101 @ Sep. 18 2007,09:33)
Out of curiosity, and not particularly relevant to the thread as a whole.

1. How did you find here super?

2. Do you hate atheists, or do you just think they are wrong? There's a big difference, someone like Wes thinks atheists are, if only with their lack of belief, wrong, but don't hate us.
On the other hand, someone who considers atheists evil, or wicked AS A WHOLE, hates atheists.

I was browsing over at Brainstorms and saw a mention of this place.  I had never heard of it.  I'm glad I found it though...you guys are a riot.

No, I don't hate atheists....I used to be an unbeliever at one time myself.

Really? Is this not you then?

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"What happened to the happy-go-lucky, peace-loving athiest? The reality is atheists are dreadfully miserable, foul-mouthed individuals....Truly the pond scum of society

that doesn't mean I hate them.  I hate science, not people.  That is just an observation.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:45   

Quote (k.e @ Sep. 18 2007,09:44)
Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,17:42)
so if chimps and humans are so close genetically, why do we look so different -- and what makes us different?  Have you ever noticed that not one single piece of anatomy looks like the other?  Sure both humans and chimps share the same types of body parts, but none of them look the same at all.....why would this be?  Why would mutations change a creature, yet not change a creature?

Ah sorry to be the bearer of bad news SS


BUT NOBODY GIVES A FLYING FUCK WHAT YOU THINK!

don't wimp out on me intellectually...what makes humans look so different than other primates if our genetic code is so close?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:45   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,09:38)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 18 2007,09:35)
Hi Supersport.

ERVs?

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v....search=

have fun!


Ps, are you an engineer?

that dude would make a great politician, lawyer or used car salesman.

Because he's honest and smart?

You were *that* impressed with his content?

Happy to cure you of YEC, SS. Welcome to reality.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:47   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,09:42)
so if chimps and humans are so close genetically, why do we look so different -- and what makes us different?  Have you ever noticed that not one single piece of anatomy looks like the other?  Sure both humans and chimps share the same types of body parts, but none of them look the same at all.....why would this be?

We have our theory, but we'd like to hear yours first.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:48   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,09:45)
Quote (k.e @ Sep. 18 2007,09:44)
Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,17:42)
so if chimps and humans are so close genetically, why do we look so different -- and what makes us different?  Have you ever noticed that not one single piece of anatomy looks like the other?  Sure both humans and chimps share the same types of body parts, but none of them look the same at all.....why would this be?  Why would mutations change a creature, yet not change a creature?

Ah sorry to be the bearer of bad news SS


BUT NOBODY GIVES A FLYING FUCK WHAT YOU THINK!

don't wimp out on me intellectually...what makes humans look so different than other primates if our genetic code is so close?

I don't think we're that different at all.

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:50   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,09:44)
I hate science...

Good to know.

Why are you here?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:50   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 18 2007,09:48)
Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,09:45)
Quote (k.e @ Sep. 18 2007,09:44)
 
Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,17:42)
so if chimps and humans are so close genetically, why do we look so different -- and what makes us different?  Have you ever noticed that not one single piece of anatomy looks like the other?  Sure both humans and chimps share the same types of body parts, but none of them look the same at all.....why would this be?  Why would mutations change a creature, yet not change a creature?

Ah sorry to be the bearer of bad news SS


BUT NOBODY GIVES A FLYING FUCK WHAT YOU THINK!

don't wimp out on me intellectually...what makes humans look so different than other primates if our genetic code is so close?

I don't think we're that different at all.

does your face look like a chimp's?  How about your arms, hands, legs, rear end, shoulders, pelvis, spine, knees, etc......mine don't.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:51   

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don't wimp out on me intellectually...what makes humans look so different than other primates if our genetic code is so close?


HO LEE CRAP

Humans and apes are almost identical vis-à-vis  other mamals. If you don't believe me try warm milk direct from a cows teat and then a human teat and then tell which you prefer if peanuts are not in your reason you are a homo(or very young).

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:52   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,09:50)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 18 2007,09:48)
Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,09:45)
 
Quote (k.e @ Sep. 18 2007,09:44)
 
Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,17:42)
so if chimps and humans are so close genetically, why do we look so different -- and what makes us different?  Have you ever noticed that not one single piece of anatomy looks like the other?  Sure both humans and chimps share the same types of body parts, but none of them look the same at all.....why would this be?  Why would mutations change a creature, yet not change a creature?

Ah sorry to be the bearer of bad news SS


BUT NOBODY GIVES A FLYING FUCK WHAT YOU THINK!

don't wimp out on me intellectually...what makes humans look so different than other primates if our genetic code is so close?

I don't think we're that different at all.

does your face look like a chimp's?  How about your arms, hands, legs, rear end, shoulders, pelvis, spine, knees, etc......mine don't.

What's you explanation for the difference?

"God wanted it that way"

Very deep.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:52   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,15:44)
Quote (IanBrown_101 @ Sep. 18 2007,09:43)
Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,15:35)
 
Quote (IanBrown_101 @ Sep. 18 2007,09:33)
Out of curiosity, and not particularly relevant to the thread as a whole.

1. How did you find here super?

2. Do you hate atheists, or do you just think they are wrong? There's a big difference, someone like Wes thinks atheists are, if only with their lack of belief, wrong, but don't hate us.
On the other hand, someone who considers atheists evil, or wicked AS A WHOLE, hates atheists.

I was browsing over at Brainstorms and saw a mention of this place.  I had never heard of it.  I'm glad I found it though...you guys are a riot.

No, I don't hate atheists....I used to be an unbeliever at one time myself.

Really? Is this not you then?

 
Quote
"What happened to the happy-go-lucky, peace-loving athiest? The reality is atheists are dreadfully miserable, foul-mouthed individuals....Truly the pond scum of society

that doesn't mean I hate them.  I hate science, not people.  That is just an observation.

So if I said "All christians are just bigoted scum sucking morons with the capacity for reason and honesty of a particularly twisted whelk" that's not hate?

I don't believe this, by the way.

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I'm not the fastest or the baddest or the fatest.

You NEVER seem to address the fact that the grand majority of people supporting Darwinism in these on line forums and blogs are atheists. That doesn't seem to bother you guys in the least. - FtK

Roddenberry is my God.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:53   

if anyone needs proof that science is full of kooks, all you have to do is look at a recent article which claim humans became human not because of chance mutation, but because they ate onions and potatoes while other primates didn't.   You people are delusional.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/09/070909184006.htm

regarding how apes turned into humans:

"That's the big mystery of paleoanthropology," Dominy said. "What changed? Why did our earliest human ancestors deviate from the pattern we see in living apes to evolve this incredibly large brain, which is very energetically expensive to maintain, and to become a much more efficient bipedal organism?"

For years, the answer was thought to be the growing importance of meat in the diet, as early humans learned to hunt. But, Dominy pointed out, "Even when you look at modern human hunter-gatherers, meat is a relatively small fraction of their diet. They cooperate with language, use nets; they have poisoned arrows, even, and still it's not that easy to hunt meat. To think that, two to four million years ago, a small-brained, awkwardly bipedal animal could efficiently acquire meat, even by scavenging, just doesn't make a whole lot of sense."

Some anthropologists have begun to suspect the new source of food consisted of starches, stored by plants in the form of underground tubers and bulbs--wild versions of modern-day foods like carrots, potatoes, and onions"

"Why wait for chance mutations to improve gene function?"

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:55   

Now now, one at a time.  A new toy lasts longer if you don't all grab it at the corners and start pulling.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:56   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,09:44)
I hate science, not people.  That is just an observation.

what about maths, do you hate maths too?

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:56   

gotta go to work.  Have fun.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,09:59   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,09:50)
does your face look like a chimp's?  How about your arms, hands, legs, rear end, shoulders, pelvis, spine, knees, etc......mine don't.

Do you know that we are genetically closer to chimps than chimps are to gorillas?

And in the same veine, we are more closely related to the lungfish than the lungfish is related to the troot.

Why is that SS? Did God want it that way?


(I should mention to our newbie that English is not my first language, hoping he's not as xenophobic as he's homophobic)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,10:02   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,09:56)
gotta go to work.  Have fun.

Sure, well, I doubt we'll be seeing you again.

If you do come back, the same unanswered questions will be here waiting for you.

If I get time i'll wrap them up into a single post you can ignore.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
Gordon Mullings

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,10:06   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,09:53)
if anyone needs proof that science is full of kooks, all you have to do is look at a recent article which claim humans became human not because of chance mutation, but because they ate onions and potatoes while other primates didn't.

You're confusing mutation and selection.
Your ignorance of basic biology is not going to refute any theory, sorry.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,10:08   

Quote (guthrie @ Sep. 18 2007,17:55)
Now now, one at a time.  A new toy lasts longer if you don't all grab it at the corners and start pulling.

I mean seriuosly rednecks eat roadkill, what's wrong with rationilists eating dogs ?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,10:10   

Weeee!

A category 3 shitstorm out of the clear blue, with a schizotypal creationist recluse rotating energetically at the core. Where's my shit hat?

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"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,10:13   

Too bad.  The effing new guy SuperScum is no fun at all.  All he does is reiterate old creo myths, and he's not as funny as FTK.  He's just as dumb as afdave IMO, so I say we throw him back into the pond, and wait for someone more interesting and educated.

The News Of The Day was ERV blogging about Dembski's pantsing and spanking at OU last night.

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Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,10:27   

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Out of curiosity, and not particularly relevant to the thread as a whole.

1. How did you find here super?

2. Do you hate atheists, or do you just think they are wrong? There's a big difference, someone like Wes thinks atheists are, if only with their lack of belief, wrong, but don't hate us.
On the other hand, someone who considers atheists evil, or wicked AS A WHOLE, hates atheists.

I was browsing over at Brainstorms and saw a mention of this place.  I had never heard of it.  I'm glad I found it though...you guys are a riot.

No, I don't hate atheists....I used to be an unbeliever at one time myself.

"unbeliever".....tell me what bit of science fact caused you to become a YEC?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,10:28   

I duuno what cave you are reporting from caveman but SputemsWart does nÖt have the intelligence of d.t.

ÏM?ö nothing close to south of the Rïo1fiveZeroGrände.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,10:44   

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Weeee!

A category 3 shitstorm out of the clear blue, with a schizotypal creationist recluse rotating energetically at the core. Where's my shit hat?

OK....now that made me laugh!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,11:05   

Now THIS is good!  A Senator suing "GOD"!

Good luck collecting from a myth.  What he should be doing is suing all the people perpetuating the myth... like the Pope, Dembksi and FTK.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20827350/?GT1=10357[B

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,11:14   

I wish someone would sue spineless invertebrate's

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,11:17   

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Supersport does support SOME programs to help poor people:

     
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"In my opinion, if an animal in the wild like a swan is caught being gay it should be shot on sight, disinfected, and used to feed the poor."

supersport, carm [Comments (56)] 2006-Nov-21

yes, that is one of my personal favorites as well.....just trying to help out!

"Hey mom, what's for dinner?"

(Looks in oven)

"Awww, not gay swan again!"


"And it tastes like Listerine!"

"Don't whine, my little supersport, Listerine is necessary so that the others swans don't catch teh gay.  Besides this is safer than roadkill. Remember when pa was eatin' roadkill and got hit by that truck?"

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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,11:24   

Ha ha ha (No really Tracy I cracked up...a lot)

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,11:26   

Supersport,

Try not to think about the time your pa ate teh gay swan.  Horrible, horrible contagion!

And don't listen to the listerine crap, stay strong.  Remember that no medicine actually works.  Medical science is merely an illusion created by Teh Man!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,11:31   

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Supersport,

Try not to think about the time your pa ate teh gay swan.  Horrible, horrible contagion!

And don't listen to the listerine crap, stay strong.  Remember that no medicine actually works.  Medical science is merely an illusion created by Teh Man!

thwp thwp thwp pit it out super gay swan sport-o-rito.

NOW

Don't listen to them.

We will give you (non gay)  mouth to mouth ...just to keep you alive for the ctrossT.


Chin up old man...not long to go now... only a fw more miles...to Calgary.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,11:31   

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hey, old man...if dinosaurs are 100 million years old, why are their bones found on the surface of the ground?....what's up with that?

You've heard about "erosion", right?

right....so how does encased rock get eroded off bones so that the bones are free and clear of it?  It takes scientists special tools, instruments and chemicals to get rock off bones.....yet you say rain can do it.  Go figure.   You can't count evidence that you can't see.  I see bones laying on the surface......you have no scientific explanation.

Rain CAN do it.

Are you seriously suggesting rain can't wash earth away similarly or better than tools?

Ye gods.

I read that wind can cause erosion.  By supersport thinking, that means rain couldn't have done it!

Another Darwinist contradiction!!!!one!!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,11:34   

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Another Darwinist contradiction!!!!one!!


STOP TAHT FILTHY LANGUAGE i THINK i'M FALLING IN DARWINIST LUST.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,11:52   

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Well actually, the past 30 years have seen the biggest rise in degnerative diseases -- heart disease, cancer, MS, diabetes, alzheimer's, etc etc......none of which have cures and all of which are killing more and more and more people despite the trillions of dollars being pumped towards Big Medicine.

You missed out stupidity.

Bob

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,12:00   

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I can't stop reading that FSTDT page

 
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"I mean if modern day humans have been around for tens of thousands of years, then where are all the skyscrapers from years gone by? Where are all the books and artifacts? Where are the planes and cars?"

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Why didn't Jesus post on the internet?

Blessed are the geek, for they shall inherit the earth.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,13:20   

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I wouldn't necessarily call all atheists liars, but their problem is they simply cannot see the truth...consequently, untruths and wild guessing get passed over as reality.

As it happens, PZ Myers addresses this over at his blog. Maybe it's because rocks and critters are more honest than creationists
   
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I've just come back from my introductory biology classroom in which I've been trying hard to convince students of an important historical fact: the scientists, especially the geologists, who came up with the idea that the earth was old were working in a Christian tradition, and they came up with their ideas because they needed to explain the evidence, not because they were driven by theological considerations or because they had been bribed by the Evil Atheist Conspiracy. Sometimes you just have to put them in the shoes of a geologist in 1850 to get them to see the true motives.

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It's a sign of the degeneracy of the modern creationist that instead of grappling with these questions honestly, as the 19th century creationists/natural historians did, they instead simply deny the existence of the evidence.


I like that last line "It's a sign of the degeneracy of the modern creationist". People like SuperSport and slimy Sal just don't get it.

SuperSport, please do tell me how you deal with believers like those Creationist geologists coming up with the exact opposite conclusion that you base your life on?
I mean, I somehow doubt you've gone out and dug down to the "fludde" layer with a shovel. I doubt you've got your hands dirty at all and simply repeat the mantras AIG hand out.

Now, the post I quote of yours says      
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untruths and wild guessing get passed over as reality


Earlier in this thread you say that you've proof that dino and man lived together. When I disputed that you said:
   
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old man -- that's not an explanation -- that's a belief -- the reality is these bones were found together.  The observable evidence is on my side.


Yet the website itself, on the very next page says
   
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The last of the dinosaurs died out 60 million years before the first modern human ever walked the earth

Why don't the people who made the earth shattering discovery that dino and man lived side by side even note it on their own website?

Seems like there is only one dishonest person here. And it's you, supersport.

More likely the type of people you generally deal with supersport don't click on the links you give them.

Y'see you've got to at least dress up your religion in some actual science talk to at least have a chance at passing muster.
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The most impressive and irrefutable evidence that dinosaurs co-habited the earth with man is found in the book of Job. Evolutionists have never adequately explained the mystifying remarks made by Job, who lived this side of Noah's Flood, where he speaks of "behemoth" and "leviathan" -- two huge creatures, one dwelling in the seas, and one upon the land. YEHOVAH God says to Job, "Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee" -- evidently created at the same time man was (Job 40:15)

   
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For example, the first mention of the animal creation refers to such animals. 'God created great whales' (Gen.1:21). The word translated whales in the King James is often translated sea monsters in other versions. In most other passages, however, the word is translated dragons or sometimes serpents. It apparently was meant to identify the animals called a dragon in other nations.

http://hope-of-israel.org/dinosaur.htm

I mean, if crazy is your thing, go all the way. Don't hold back now.

BTW, what is it you do for a living Supersport, as you left "for work" earlier. What standards of proof do you hold them too?

"Sorry I'm late"

"LATE?LATE? I challenge you to show me ONE instance of lateness ever documented in the history of this company that has created a new, beneficial, selectable lateness addition to an existing clock orientated part"

"Err. Cup of tea?"

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,14:03   

I see that the category 3 shitstorm has left the building.

So, sport, when you return, please don't continue to ignore this query, which seems to have disappeared under the deluge of geological claims and counterclaims.
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Please give me a reason why I should accept this opinion  
   
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Therefore, life must have appeared instantly by way of mental processes.

Please make this some sort of positive evidence from the scientific, peer-reviewed literature, rather than negative evidence such as a criticism of evolutionary theory.

I suspect that if you can actually do this, you will quiet many of your critics here!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,14:11   

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gotta go to work.  Have fun.

Sure, well, I doubt we'll be seeing you again.

If you do come back, the same unanswered questions will be here waiting for you.

If I get time i'll wrap them up into a single post you can ignore.

ironic since no one has answered OP....or even tried.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,14:18   

Hey just for fun...how about someone give me a scientifically-controlled experiment verifying natural selection in animals.  That's a fairytale as well, you know....which makes both RM AND NS fairytales.  Prove me wrong.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,14:25   

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Hey just for fun...how about someone give me a scientifically-controlled experiment verifying natural selection in animals.  That's a fairytale as well, you know....which makes both RM AND NS fairytales.  Prove me wrong.

Would you settle for an enema? Seems more to the point.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,14:27   

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I see that the category 3 shitstorm has left the building.

So, sport, when you return, please don't continue to ignore this query, which seems to have disappeared under the deluge of geological claims and counterclaims.  
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Therefore, life must have appeared instantly by way of mental processes.

Please make this some sort of positive evidence from the scientific, peer-reviewed literature, rather than negative evidence such as a criticism of evolutionary theory.

I suspect that if you can actually do this, you will quiet many of your critics here!

every phenotypic modification and every piece of new morphology stems from mental processes.  For example, and I gave this earlier, a flea can create a new spine for itself in the presence of predators.

http://discovermagazine.com/2006/nov/cover  (pg.2)

Changes in morphology, thus, must come not from changes in genes, but changes in the mind.   Since this is true, genetic change (aka materialism) does not explain how we got here morphologically......the mind/mental processes do.   But we can't make ourselves...thus, we must have been created by a mind other than our own.  I'm not going to get too much into this because I realize you don't really care to hear it.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,14:38   

Interesting, Supersport.

Could you use your own vast mental powers to grow yourself a backbone and answer some questions?

Why or why not?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,14:40   

Surely your mental powers must be greater than that of a flea?  Or is there more informationality in a flea than in a supersport?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,15:00   

To silence the whining about "nobody has answered the challenge in my opening post", I can pull an old trick from the ID crowd's quiver, i.e. Go Read A Book.  But in this case it will actually answer the challenge.

Endless Forms Most beautiful, by Sean Carroll, has several examples of this. One of them is a mutation in the regulatory sequence of a gene that give more pigmentation to a section of a fruit fly wing. Since fruit flies use their wings in mating displays, a change in the pigmentation can have profound effects on mating success. But Carroll describes a phylogenetic tree showing how this mutation occurred, when it occurred, and the resulting speciation events that occurred. So here is an example of what sporty wanted    
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ONE mutation ever documented in the history of science that has created a new, beneficial, selectable morphological addition to an existing body part.    .    .    .    (a mutation that alters physical, outward appearance in a beneficial way. )

Now it's your turn, sport. Support this assertion - life must have appeared instantly by way of mental processes.

Please make this some sort of positive evidence from the scientific, peer-reviewed literature, rather than negative evidence such as a criticism of evolutionary theory.

Your previously cited article from Discover magazine does not do this, BTW. It does represent some serious goalpost shifting; I particularly liked the slippage of "life" to a "spine on a flea". Oh, and another thing, Daphnia are not really fleas. Oh, and another thing, the spine appeared in response to predation, which is not the same thing as "mental processes".

So, read that book by Sean Carroll; it will be good for you. But don't forget to come back here and defend the goalposts you set up originally. Give us an example of positive, scientific evidence for mental processes generating life.

thanks in advance.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,15:06   

I have an extra copy of the book, supersport.  Tell me where to send it.

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But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG

And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin