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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2011,08:43   

Quote (Louis @ Feb. 17 2011,05:05)
It's comparisons like this what cause unrest.


But has she got a license?

   
Quote (Louis @ Feb. 17 2011,05:05)
(snip) KJR is a tireless worker for all that can be considered "good", Denyse O'Leary practically embodies all that is holding the human species back from actually doing useful and "good" things. YUCK.


You think that's bad. I have to live in the same country.

I think, like Beck and Coulter, morphodyke will say anything to get attention. The difference between her and them, though, is that they get some. Attention, that is.*  Dreary is read by herself and a few here who go there for the laffs. Sad, really.

*The very though of her(?) "getting some" has caused my mind to become unquiet.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2011,10:51   

Oh I imagine it gets some whenever it wants it.  See, it puts the lotion in the basket.  When you gots plumbing like that you don't need to worry about which end goes where because it all works out the same anyway.  Tranmaw is like a swiss army knife of secondary sexual characters

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2011,11:04   

Quote (CeilingCat @ Feb. 17 2011,04:49)
you'reallgoingtohellifyou'renotromancatholic has broken the O'Dreary posting monopoly with a post about Thomism.  (As in St. Thomas Aquinas - he was a very friendly fellow, hence 'Thomism'.)

I can't think of anything more appropriate for a so-called science blog than to bring up a theologian, but nully does have at least one interesting comment:    
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No, ID does not say that the bacterial flagellum poofed into existence by a miracle”

This is news to me.  Does anybody know how ID does say the bacterial flagellum came into existence?  Pulled out of The Designer's Ass perhaps?

Just ask Joe G - I'm sure he'll be happy to provide all the detail, in whatever level, you need.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2011,11:07   

Quote (MichaelJ @ Feb. 16 2011,23:57)
So every item in the list is a screed against evolution or atheism. Wasn't there one ID breakthrough to write about?

Silly, didn't you get the memo?  Science would be nothing but wall-to-wall ID breakthroughs, if only the International Darwinist Conspiracy (which is failing and losing power daily) had not been so successful and powerful at stifling dissent that it not only prevents the publication of ID-supporting research, it not only prevents the funding and execution of said research, it not only prevents people from proposing said research be done--it even manages to prevent anyone anywhere from describing, even in the most vague and conceptual terms, even on their own moderation-heavy blogs, what such research might look like if it wasn't so thoroughly quashed by teh Darwinist.  The IDC (hey, what a coincidence...) has effectively insured that nobody, anywhere, has ever even uttered one coherent sentence describing a potential or actual ID research program in any way.

Good job guys.



Edited by Lou FCD on Feb. 18 2011,20:33

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2011,14:44   

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...if only the International Darwinist Conspiracy (which is failing and losing power daily) had not been so successful and powerful at stifling dissent that it not only prevents the publication of ID-supporting research, it not only prevents the funding and execution of said research, it not only prevents people from proposing said research be done--it even manages to prevent anyone anywhere from describing, even in the most vague and conceptual terms, even on their own moderation-heavy blogs, what such research might look like if it wasn't so thoroughly quashed by teh Darwinist.


POTW

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2011,18:08   

The loquacious KF offers us yet another PKB (pot/kettle/black) moment to relish

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Nobody, including Professor Dawkins, has any idea “how life came into being!” It is only this self-deceiving view of reality that allows Dawkins to declare that science has emancipated him from the impulse to attribute the astounding wonders of the living world to a creator. There is no human intellect on the face of the earth that has achieved a “better explanation.” We have shown conclusively that no chemist, physicist, biologist, nor any other type of scientist has any real clue how life could have come about through “natural processes.” Scientists do not understand how life “essentially” (or non-essentially for that matter), came into being. Only a “fool,” a “knave” could make such an outrageous claim.

Perhaps it is time for these scientists to express not awe, not admiration … but humility. >>


So, having compiled a list of quotes from scientists, all admitting they have no idea how life began, he enjoins them to abandon awe and express humility.

This from a member of a faith whose followers are required to spend much of their time expressing uncritical awe and admiration of their particular deity.

This from someone who, far from being ignorant of how life began, is convinced that it was the product of an unidentified intelligent designer or creator-that-dare-not-speak-its-name.

To be fair, he does make up for it by including not one, not two, not three but four mentions of Lewontin in the one thread.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2011,18:48   

Oh dear - I don't think this will end well. Pachyaena is rubbishing ba77's cherished things-materialism-predicted-vs-things-theism-predicted list. The comment begins:

 
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To bornagain77,

whoever wrote this-

http://docs.google.com/Doc?doc....._5fwz42dg9

doesn’t have a clue about the scientific method or the predictions science has made.

... and doesn't get any better (for BA that is)

ETA - don't bother clicking on the link in the quoted part - it doesn't work and I'm not about to fix it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2011,01:50   

Quote (Ptaylor @ Feb. 17 2011,18:48)
Oh dear - I don't think this will end well. Pachyaena is rubbishing ba77's cherished things-materialism-predicted-vs-things-theism-predicted list. The comment begins:

       
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To bornagain77,

whoever wrote this-

http://docs.google.com/Doc?doc....._5fwz42dg9

doesn’t have a clue about the scientific method or the predictions science has made.

... and doesn't get any better (for BA that is)

ETA - don't bother clicking on the link in the quoted part - it doesn't work and I'm not about to fix it.

And Phillip Cunningham (aka Batshit77) comes right back with three (3) references to David Abel and one to Casey Luskin interviewing Dr. Donald Johnson.

Significantly, NONE OF THEM IS A VIDEO!  Watch out, Pachyaena, young Batshit is pissed!  He's ready to fight you with everything he's got: a retired veterinarian who runs a world un-famous scientific institute out of his house and a nobody interviewed by an idiot.  Be vewey afwaid!

  
Maya



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2011,06:56   

Quote (CeilingCat @ Feb. 18 2011,01:50)
Quote (Ptaylor @ Feb. 17 2011,18:48)
Oh dear - I don't think this will end well. Pachyaena is rubbishing ba77's cherished things-materialism-predicted-vs-things-theism-predicted list. The comment begins:

         
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To bornagain77,

whoever wrote this-

http://docs.google.com/Doc?doc....._5fwz42dg9

doesn’t have a clue about the scientific method or the predictions science has made.

... and doesn't get any better (for BA that is)

ETA - don't bother clicking on the link in the quoted part - it doesn't work and I'm not about to fix it.

And Phillip Cunningham (aka Batshit77) comes right back with three (3) references to David Abel and one to Casey Luskin interviewing Dr. Donald Johnson.

Significantly, NONE OF THEM IS A VIDEO!  Watch out, Pachyaena, young Batshit is pissed!  He's ready to fight you with everything he's got: a retired veterinarian who runs a world un-famous scientific institute out of his house and a nobody interviewed by an idiot.  Be vewey afwaid!

Has anyone taken the time to thoroughly fisk Abel's papers?  I read one or two back when I could stand to mainline the tard, so I know that doing so would grant them legitimacy they don't deserve, but seeing Phillip's no doubt apoplectic response to refutations of some of his favorite supporting material would amuse me.

If no one has done it yet, I might pick one and work on it in my spare time.  No doubt my summary will be uncivil by UD standards and probably unladylike (sorry, Mom).

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2011,06:58   

hold up hold up hold up

batshit is a retired vet?

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Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2011,07:31   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Feb. 18 2011,06:58)
hold up hold up hold up

batshit is a retired vet?

Yes!  And rumor has it that he "retired" after he was caught doing something "biblical"* with a goat and two chickens!  He has never denied this event happening BTW.


* His defense is that God in The Bible did give him dominion over all the living things... and hey, the goat did look over 16.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2011,07:34   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Feb. 18 2011,04:58)
hold up hold up hold up

batshit is a retired vet?

Nah.  Abel is.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2011,07:36   

Quote (keiths @ Feb. 18 2011,07:34)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Feb. 18 2011,04:58)
hold up hold up hold up

batshit is a retired vet?

Nah.  Abel is.

Great.  Way to go.  Your "facts" just got in the way of my great heart-warming story! :(

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2011,08:15   

well OK.  if yall aint clear that up i wouldna known. because one thing i am not going to bother to do is go read that bullshit over there on my own initiative.  esp since yall can bring that shit over here like so many momma pelicans and shit

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2011,09:02   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Feb. 18 2011,08:15)
esp since yall can bring that shit over here like so many momma pelicans and shit



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2011,10:34   

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William Dembski: Ants Solve Steiner Problem:

On Darwinian evolutionary grounds, however, one would have to say something like the following: ants are the result of a Darwinian evolutionary process that programmed the ants with, presumably, a genetic algorithm that enables them, when put in separate colonies, to trace out paths that resolve the Steiner Problem.

What they would point out is that ants use simple rules and communicate through the use of trail scents to optimize complex pathing problems.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2011,11:58   

Quote (Zachriel @ Feb. 18 2011,16:34)
What they would point out is that ants use simple rules and communicate through the use of trail scents to optimize complex pathing problems.


Simple rules which have no doubt been 'smuggled' into the colony!!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2011,12:01   

Quote (Zachriel @ Feb. 18 2011,10:34)
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William Dembski: Ants Solve Steiner Problem:

On Darwinian evolutionary grounds, however, one would have to say something like the following: ants are the result of a Darwinian evolutionary process that programmed the ants with, presumably, a genetic algorithm that enables them, when put in separate colonies, to trace out paths that resolve the Steiner Problem.

What they would point out is that ants use simple rules and communicate through the use of trail scents to optimize complex pathing problems.

Darn you to heck, Zachriel, you made me look (I like ants).  Now this Dembski drivel is seared into my brain:
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In ID terms, there’s no problem — ants were designed with various capacities, and this either happens to be one of them or is one acquired through other programmed/designed capacities.

Why don't you just come right out and say it was magically poofed into existence, Bill?  Actually, that is what you said!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2011,12:09   

So ants were designed to mess up picnics? Who'd have thought.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2011,12:18   

Quote (Zachriel @ Feb. 18 2011,10:34)
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William Dembski: Ants Solve Steiner Problem:

On Darwinian evolutionary grounds, however, one would have to say something like the following: ants are the result of a Darwinian evolutionary process that programmed the ants with, presumably, a genetic algorithm that enables them, when put in separate colonies, to trace out paths that resolve the Steiner Problem.

What they would point out is that ants use simple rules and communicate through the use of trail scents to optimize complex pathing problems.

But that doesn't have anything to do with the theory of evolution.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2011,12:26   

Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 18 2011,12:18)
Quote (Zachriel @ Feb. 18 2011,10:34)
 
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William Dembski: Ants Solve Steiner Problem:

On Darwinian evolutionary grounds, however, one would have to say something like the following: ants are the result of a Darwinian evolutionary process that programmed the ants with, presumably, a genetic algorithm that enables them, when put in separate colonies, to trace out paths that resolve the Steiner Problem.

What they would point out is that ants use simple rules and communicate through the use of trail scents to optimize complex pathing problems.

But that doesn't have anything to do with the theory of evolution.

Tell it to Dembski Joe. He seems to think it's relevant.

Go on. Double dare you!

Or did you not notice the link....

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2011,13:17   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Feb. 18 2011,12:26)
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 18 2011,12:18)
 
Quote (Zachriel @ Feb. 18 2011,10:34)
 
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William Dembski: Ants Solve Steiner Problem:

On Darwinian evolutionary grounds, however, one would have to say something like the following: ants are the result of a Darwinian evolutionary process that programmed the ants with, presumably, a genetic algorithm that enables them, when put in separate colonies, to trace out paths that resolve the Steiner Problem.

What they would point out is that ants use simple rules and communicate through the use of trail scents to optimize complex pathing problems.

But that doesn't have anything to do with the theory of evolution.

Tell it to Dembski Joe. He seems to think it's relevant.

Go on. Double dare you!

Or did you not notice the link....

Dude you have some serious mental issues. What Zacho said doesn't have anything to do with the ToE you moron.

I wasn't responding to what Dembski wrote.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2011,13:26   

Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 18 2011,13:17)

 Dude you have some serious mental issues.


LOL @ Joe/IDGuy/Joseph.

 
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What Zacho said doesn't have anything to do with the ToE you moron.


LOL @ Joe/IDGuy/Joseph.

 
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I wasn't responding to what Dembski wrote.


No, I guess being slapped down once was enough for you eh Joe?

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2011,14:52   

Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 18 2011,12:18)
Quote (Zachriel @ Feb. 18 2011,10:34)
 
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William Dembski: Ants Solve Steiner Problem:

On Darwinian evolutionary grounds, however, one would have to say something like the following: ants are the result of a Darwinian evolutionary process that programmed the ants with, presumably, a genetic algorithm that enables them, when put in separate colonies, to trace out paths that resolve the Steiner Problem.

What they would point out is that ants use simple rules and communicate through the use of trail scents to optimize complex pathing problems.

But that doesn't have anything to do with the theory of evolution.

Hive intelligence shows how complex behavior can evolve from much simpler behaviors, such as leaving a scent for others to follow.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2011,15:12   

Quote (Zachriel @ Feb. 18 2011,15:52)
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 18 2011,12:18)
 
Quote (Zachriel @ Feb. 18 2011,10:34)
   
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William Dembski: Ants Solve Steiner Problem:

On Darwinian evolutionary grounds, however, one would have to say something like the following: ants are the result of a Darwinian evolutionary process that programmed the ants with, presumably, a genetic algorithm that enables them, when put in separate colonies, to trace out paths that resolve the Steiner Problem.

What they would point out is that ants use simple rules and communicate through the use of trail scents to optimize complex pathing problems.

But that doesn't have anything to do with the theory of evolution.

Hive intelligence shows how complex behavior can evolve from much simpler behaviors, such as leaving a scent for others to follow.

WHERE YOU THEY'RE, DARWINIST?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2011,15:14   

is Erasmus having contractions?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2011,16:51   

Do ID types have no ability to self-reflect? On one hand, Cornelius Hunter, O'Leary and the like scream about the Darwin tax lobby, and hold every quote by PZ Myers and Dawkins (most have nothing to do with evolution) as evidence that evolution is evil atheism incarnate.

And Dr. Dr. D is spending his summer indoctrinating little Christians to resist secularism:
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ID is clearly a factor here in undermining faith in atheism.


UD

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Link

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2011,16:55   

Did he really say "faith in atheism"?

Somebody buy that guy a dictionary!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2011,18:35   

Uncommonly Denyse:
   
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The funniest example I ever saw was the God Helmet saga at a university here in Ontario a few years ago (where an atheist prof claimed this helmet could make people have religious experiences). I practically split a gut laughing as I was writing it up for The Spatula Brain.

She's right - that is ridiculous. It suggests that activity within a specific area of the brain - say the right middle temporal cortex* - may be associated with a subjective sense of being in contact with a spiritual reality, and hence belief in God, and a soul.

But that's just too silly. No one in their right mind would claim to have localized spiritual experiences with such specificity, much less promulgate such a claim in the popular press. To do so would suggest that such experiences have a neural and hence a material basis, and could therefore be elicited by external activation of that area.  

*The Spatula Brain, page 273.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2011,18:41   

Quote (Louis @ Feb. 17 2011,08:05)
Please never associate Denyse O'Leary with the brilliant Kay Redfield Jamison (a personal hero of some magnitude*) ever again. Even by the comedy association of internet diagnosing a shared mental illness.

The fact that they, and indeed we, share a species is too depressing for words. It's comparisons like this what cause unrest. Denyse doesn't have bipolar disorder, she's just an idiot. A far less manageable condition.

Point well taken, Louis. (But when did you become all earnest and shit? Must be all that reproduction.)

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