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OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2018,13:56   

Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 16 2018,10:57)
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http://www.foxnews.com/scitech....wn-yeti

Fox news.
 
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Alleged sightings of Yetis in Kemerovo and the neighboring Altai region, about 1,988 miles (3,200 kilometers) east of Moscow, are up three times compared to 20 years ago, with scientists estimating that there is a current population of at least several dozen in the area.

Other evidence of the existence of the creatures -- such as basic twig huts, twisted branches and footprints of up to 35 centimeters (14 inches) -- also has been found in the area.

A group of scientists from the conference will be sent out to search the region's mountains to examine the evidence and try spot a Yeti.

It will be the first expedition of its kind since 1958, when scientists from the Soviet Academy of Sciences scoured Western Siberia trying to catch a Yeti.

Igor Burtsev, who heads the Moscow-based International Center of Hominology, said, "When Homo sapiens started populating the world, it viciously exterminated its closest relative in the hominid family, Homo neanderthalensis. Some of the Neanderthals, however, may have survived to this day in some mountainous wooded habitats that are more or less off limits to their arch foes."


Whoda thunk? ;)

HAHAHAHA

The picture they show with the footprint is a CENTIMETER ruler.

Someone needs to tell FoxNews that the rest of the world uses this new system of measurement called the metric system.

Not exactly a smoking gun... or a dead body (which is about the ONLY evidence that will be acceptable, a live yeti would be the other form of acceptable evidence).

Wow, only PROOF will be accepted for evidence. Nice to see that Kevin still doesn't understand how science works.

Strange how Kevin doesn't apply his asinine standards to evolutionism.

And Kevin, it isn't a ruler, it's a tape measure.

I understand very well how science works Joke.

However, there are tons of KNOWN false claims about yetis. Therefore, only extreme evidence will ever be considered valid. A body or a living specimen.

You can post about your footprints... I mean yeti footprints for years and no one will care.

BTW: How did that article turn out in the intervening 6 years? Any yetis in zoos? Any genetic studies of yetis? Any bones? Anything?

Oh yeah... no. Nothing else was said of it.

It's kind of interesting to see what happens to people's claims when time has passed.

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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2018,14:01   

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Hey Joe G,

Why is Linnaean's classification THE objective nested hierarchy?

Why did scientists like Newton never invoke God in Nature's operations (not to be confused with Nature's origin)?

Linnaean classification is the objective nested hierarchy due to its scientific standards and lack of numerous transitional forms to have to sort through. The more transitional forms involved the fewer the number of defining characteristics that can be used. And with the number of transitional forms that have been alleged to exist that few will become one until that one starts to get blurred.

Linnaean classification depicts nice neat distinct sets.

As for Newton, read Principia. Newton and many others (like Kepler and Copernicus) saw science as a way of understanding God's Creation. I would think that God made the universe to be self-serving. No need to meddle with nature's operations.

LOL... why Joke is bringing up stuff from 2011, I don't know. But whatever.

Joke, this is really important. You know that Linnaean Taxonomy is not nested right?

Why? Because in Linnaean Taxonomy mammals, birds, and amphibians (including reptiles) are all classes.

Bur birds are a special group of dinosaurs, which are a special group of reptiles, which are a special group of amphibians.

Because Carl didn't know anything about paleontology (and not that much about biology), his system is not hierarchical. A hierarchical system cannot have a subgroup of a group at the same rank as the group it's a part of.

Well... maybe yours can, but everyone knows you have no idea what the hell is going on.

BTW: I asked you something many years ago and you never responded when you were discussing wavelength = frequency. You failed to dredge that comment up and respond to it, so I'll ask again.

A surface wave with a frequency of 1 hz can have a wavelength of 1,800 meters to 4,900 meters in shale.

since YOU said wavelength = frequency
1800 meters = 1 hz
4900 meters = 1 hz

therefore

1800 meters = 4900 meters

Now, you have revised your original claim to say that wavelength and frequency are interchangeable. But that implies a 1:1 correspondence. Your programming knowledge should give you a good idea what that means.

Like you said
 
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And yet transmitting on a frequency of 1.87MHz is the same as transmitting on a wavelength of 160 meters.


Yet, an earthquake of 1 hz with a wavelength of 1800 meters is clearly not the same as an earthquake with a 1 hz frequency and a wavelength of 4900 meters.

Since you can't use frequency to determine wavelength nor can you use wavelength to determine frequency (without also knowing the velocity), the two are not interchangeable either.

HINT: This is also true for electromagnetic waves (like radio), but you have consistently failed to see that, despite at least two people educating you on the topic.

What a moron. Linnaean taxonomy is the observed objective nested hierarchy. So your ignorance, while amusing, means nothing.

https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibr....ication

The standard system of classification in which every organism is assigned a kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, genus, and species. This system groups organisms into ever smaller and smaller groups (like a series of boxes within boxes, called a nested hierarchy).

You are just an ignorant punk, Kevin

And the frequency = wavelength thing is dead. Go back and review this thread

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2018,14:01   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 18 2018,13:56)
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 16 2018,10:57)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Oct. 04 2011,17:36)
 
Quote (BWE @ Oct. 04 2011,10:28)
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech....wn-yeti

Fox news.
   
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Alleged sightings of Yetis in Kemerovo and the neighboring Altai region, about 1,988 miles (3,200 kilometers) east of Moscow, are up three times compared to 20 years ago, with scientists estimating that there is a current population of at least several dozen in the area.

Other evidence of the existence of the creatures -- such as basic twig huts, twisted branches and footprints of up to 35 centimeters (14 inches) -- also has been found in the area.

A group of scientists from the conference will be sent out to search the region's mountains to examine the evidence and try spot a Yeti.

It will be the first expedition of its kind since 1958, when scientists from the Soviet Academy of Sciences scoured Western Siberia trying to catch a Yeti.

Igor Burtsev, who heads the Moscow-based International Center of Hominology, said, "When Homo sapiens started populating the world, it viciously exterminated its closest relative in the hominid family, Homo neanderthalensis. Some of the Neanderthals, however, may have survived to this day in some mountainous wooded habitats that are more or less off limits to their arch foes."


Whoda thunk? ;)

HAHAHAHA

The picture they show with the footprint is a CENTIMETER ruler.

Someone needs to tell FoxNews that the rest of the world uses this new system of measurement called the metric system.

Not exactly a smoking gun... or a dead body (which is about the ONLY evidence that will be acceptable, a live yeti would be the other form of acceptable evidence).

Wow, only PROOF will be accepted for evidence. Nice to see that Kevin still doesn't understand how science works.

Strange how Kevin doesn't apply his asinine standards to evolutionism.

And Kevin, it isn't a ruler, it's a tape measure.

I understand very well how science works Joke.

However, there are tons of KNOWN false claims about yetis. Therefore, only extreme evidence will ever be considered valid. A body or a living specimen.

You can post about your footprints... I mean yeti footprints for years and no one will care.

BTW: How did that article turn out in the intervening 6 years? Any yetis in zoos? Any genetic studies of yetis? Any bones? Anything?

Oh yeah... no. Nothing else was said of it.

It's kind of interesting to see what happens to people's claims when time has passed.

Science is not about proof, asshole.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2018,14:15   

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He might be a simmering coward as well. Who knows?


I doubt JSmith is a he. I also doubt that Martha K is a she.

Conspiracy theories abound. Is she or isn't she? Only her hair dresser knows for sure.

But I can break the tension.  I am neither JSmith, nor Martha K. When I have socked up over at UD I have never shied away from revealing who I am. I have even provided my real name (Kevin Middlebrook) and my location (Ottawa).

I admit to having a few "active" socks over at UD but I have not used them for a while. When I resurface, you will be the first to know.

Then it is strange that JSmith uses your arguments and demonstrates the same stupidity with respect to context and the meaning of words.

I have seen a few people at UD use some of the same arguments that I have used. I take that as a sign of intelligence. How do you explain that you are the only one in the world using your lame arguments?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2018,14:15   

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Intelligent Design is NOT anti-evolution. Your cowardly equivocation is duly noted.

Yes it is. You lost that debate on a spectacular scale.

You are not ID. You do not represent ID.

The leaders of the ID movement (of which you are not) have ALL specifically said that ID is anti-evolution.

YOU, Joke, have said that all you have to do to disprove ID is provide evidence of evolution.

By your own words, ID is anti-evolution.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2018,14:30   

Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 18 2018,14:01)
What a moron. Linnaean taxonomy is the observed objective nested hierarchy. So your ignorance, while amusing, means nothing.

https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibr....ication

The standard system of classification in which every organism is assigned a kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, genus, and species. This system groups organisms into ever smaller and smaller groups (like a series of boxes within boxes, called a nested hierarchy).

You are just an ignorant punk, Kevin

And the frequency = wavelength thing is dead. Go back and review this thread

And yet, the truth remains, in Linnaean taxonomy, there is a subgroup with the same rank as the group it's a part of, which is not possible in a nested hierarchy.

As usual, you screech and cry, but there is nothing more than that. A tale told by an idiot full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

And yes, the frequency = wavelength thing is dead. You've been proven wrong so many times that you have back-pedaled and at least 3 times this year.

You're still wrong about it, but you keep trying to change your thoughts just enough to justify that what you started with is right and still incorporate the ideas you know prove you wrong.

Even your own evidence that you post doesn't show a 1:1 correspondence. It shows a range and you've admitted that on this very thread.

You proved yourself wrong and still can't admit it.

BTW: I find it hilarious how k.e. tricked you into using a phrase that you don't understand every time someone said something mean about you. You poor, poor deluded man.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2018,14:30   

From the cdesign proponentsists handbook:

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"Intelligent design means that various forms of life began abruptly through an intelligent agency, with their distinctive features already intact. Fish with fins and scales, birds with feathers, beaks, wings, etc."


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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2018,14:30   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 18 2018,14:15)
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 04 2018,20:52)
Intelligent Design is NOT anti-evolution. Your cowardly equivocation is duly noted.

Yes it is. You lost that debate on a spectacular scale.

You are not ID. You do not represent ID.

The leaders of the ID movement (of which you are not) have ALL specifically said that ID is anti-evolution.

YOU, Joke, have said that all you have to do to disprove ID is provide evidence of evolution.

By your own words, ID is anti-evolution.

What? How is ID anti-evolution you little twerp?

ID is OK with a change in allele frequency over time- ie evolution

ID is OK with descent with modification- ie evolution.

I said to disprove ID all one has to do is find support for evolution  by means of blind, mindless and purposeless processes. IOW once again you prove to be willfully ignorant

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2018,14:31   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 18 2018,14:15)
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 18 2018,13:33)
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Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 18 2018,13:00)
 
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He might be a simmering coward as well. Who knows?


I doubt JSmith is a he. I also doubt that Martha K is a she.

Conspiracy theories abound. Is she or isn't she? Only her hair dresser knows for sure.

But I can break the tension.  I am neither JSmith, nor Martha K. When I have socked up over at UD I have never shied away from revealing who I am. I have even provided my real name (Kevin Middlebrook) and my location (Ottawa).

I admit to having a few "active" socks over at UD but I have not used them for a while. When I resurface, you will be the first to know.

Then it is strange that JSmith uses your arguments and demonstrates the same stupidity with respect to context and the meaning of words.

I have seen a few people at UD use some of the same arguments that I have used. I take that as a sign of intelligence. How do you explain that you are the only one in the world using your lame arguments?

And yet my arguments beat yours into the ground every time.

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"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton

Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD

YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2018,14:33   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 18 2018,14:30)
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 18 2018,14:01)
What a moron. Linnaean taxonomy is the observed objective nested hierarchy. So your ignorance, while amusing, means nothing.

https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibr....ication

The standard system of classification in which every organism is assigned a kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, genus, and species. This system groups organisms into ever smaller and smaller groups (like a series of boxes within boxes, called a nested hierarchy).

You are just an ignorant punk, Kevin

And the frequency = wavelength thing is dead. Go back and review this thread

And yet, the truth remains, in Linnaean taxonomy, there is a subgroup with the same rank as the group it's a part of, which is not possible in a nested hierarchy.

As usual, you screech and cry, but there is nothing more than that. A tale told by an idiot full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

And yes, the frequency = wavelength thing is dead. You've been proven wrong so many times that you have back-pedaled and at least 3 times this year.

You're still wrong about it, but you keep trying to change your thoughts just enough to justify that what you started with is right and still incorporate the ideas you know prove you wrong.

Even your own evidence that you post doesn't show a 1:1 correspondence. It shows a range and you've admitted that on this very thread.

You proved yourself wrong and still can't admit it.

BTW: I find it hilarious how k.e. tricked you into using a phrase that you don't understand every time someone said something mean about you. You poor, poor deluded man.

Linnaean taxonomy is a nested hierarchy. You are the only retard to claim otherwise.

The frequency = wavelength had a specific context and I supported that claim with references. Go figure

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2018,14:34   

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The leaders of the ID movement (of which you are not) have ALL specifically said that ID is anti-evolution.


Liar. They all claim that ID is anti evolution by means of blind and mindless processes, just as I have said. You are just an ignorant ass

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2018,14:36   

Even a peer-reviewed paper says that Linnaean taxonomy is a nested hierarchy:

“The use of hierarchies as organizational models in systematics”, Biological Journal of the Linnean Society, 63: 1–49, 1998

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2018,14:37   

Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 18 2018,14:34)
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The leaders of the ID movement (of which you are not) have ALL specifically said that ID is anti-evolution.


Liar. They all claim that ID is anti evolution by means of blind and mindless processes, just as I have said. You are just an ignorant ass

No Joe. You're the only one who adds "blind and mindless process".

That's not what they say. That's not what they mean. Do I need to post the evidence again? Not like you can read or understand it. But it's clear. It's even on your own blog Joe.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2018,14:38   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 18 2018,14:37)
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 18 2018,14:34)
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The leaders of the ID movement (of which you are not) have ALL specifically said that ID is anti-evolution.


Liar. They all claim that ID is anti evolution by means of blind and mindless processes, just as I have said. You are just an ignorant ass

No Joe. You're the only one who adds "blind and mindless process".

That's not what they say. That's not what they mean. Do I need to post the evidence again? Not like you can read or understand it. But it's clear. It's even on your own blog Joe.

LoL! It is what they say, asshole. I even provided the quotes.

Strange how I posted that on UD and they all agreed that ID is not anti-evolution

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2018,14:40   

Again - Darwinian and neo-Darwinian evolution is evolution by means of blind and mindless processes.

https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2011....oseless

Go argue with Coyne and Dawkins, loser

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2018,14:41   

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And, indeed, this is what I teach—that natural selection, and evolution in general, are material processes, blind, mindless, and purposeless.- Jerry Coyne


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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2018,14:42   

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The standard system of classification in which every organism is assigned a kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, genus, and species. This system groups organisms into ever smaller and smaller groups (like a series of boxes within boxes, called a nested hierarchy).


That's true.

But LINNAEAN taxonomy is not.

Modern taxonomy is based on EVOLUTION. Not Carl's work.

Carl's original work shows one group of organisms as a class, when it's clearly a subgroup of another subgroup of a different class.

A nested hierarchy cannot have a subgroup of a group have the same rank as that group.

It's funny how you keep using words that you think make you sound smart, but it ends up biting in you in the butt.

Of course, had you just said "taxonomy", then you would also be wrong because modern taxonomy, while still using some of the same names, is based on evolutionary relationships. Not characters.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2018,14:43   

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Scott refers to me as an intelligent design "creationist," even though I clearly write in my book Darwin's Black Box (which Scott cites) that I am not a creationist and have no reason to doubt common descent. In fact, my own views fit quite comfortably with the 40% of scientists that Scott acknowledges think "evolution occurred, but was guided by God."- Dr Michael Behe


One for me

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2018,14:44   

Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 18 2018,14:40)
Again - Darwinian and neo-Darwinian evolution is evolution by means of blind and mindless processes.

https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2011.......oseless

Go argue with Coyne and Dawkins, loser

I have talked with Coyne. Spent a great day talking about science, evolution and idiots like you... well not you... people who are actually well known, but still idiots.

I happen to disagree with him in some small particulars.

I could explain it, but there's no point. You can't understand nuance.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2018,14:45   

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The standard system of classification in which every organism is assigned a kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, genus, and species. This system groups organisms into ever smaller and smaller groups (like a series of boxes within boxes, called a nested hierarchy).


That's true.

But LINNAEAN taxonomy is not.

Modern taxonomy is based on EVOLUTION. Not Carl's work.

Carl's original work shows one group of organisms as a class, when it's clearly a subgroup of another subgroup of a different class.

A nested hierarchy cannot have a subgroup of a group have the same rank as that group.

It's funny how you keep using words that you think make you sound smart, but it ends up biting in you in the butt.

Of course, had you just said "taxonomy", then you would also be wrong because modern taxonomy, while still using some of the same names, is based on evolutionary relationships. Not characters.

Look, assface, YOU are the only person who says that Linnaean taxonomy is not a nested hierarchy. Only YOU.

That tells me all I need to know

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2018,14:45   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 18 2018,14:44)
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 18 2018,14:40)
Again - Darwinian and neo-Darwinian evolution is evolution by means of blind and mindless processes.

https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2011.......oseless

Go argue with Coyne and Dawkins, loser

I have talked with Coyne. Spent a great day talking about science, evolution and idiots like you... well not you... people who are actually well known, but still idiots.

I happen to disagree with him in some small particulars.

I could explain it, but there's no point. You can't understand nuance.

LoL! You are the idiot, Kevin. You don't even know what your own position claims.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2018,14:47   

Darwin's entire point was evolution by means of blind and mindless processes. And all evolutionary biologists since then have the same concept. That you are just an ignorant punk does not refute that

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2018,14:50   

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The leaders of the ID movement (of which you are not) have ALL specifically said that ID is anti-evolution.


Liar. They all claim that ID is anti evolution by means of blind and mindless processes, just as I have said. You are just an ignorant ass

I guess I will have to provide the quotes again...

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The theory of intelligent design (ID) holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause rather than an undirected process such as natural selection. ID is thus a scientific disagreement with the core claim of evolutionary theory that the apparent design of living systems is an illusion.   [URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/id-defined/


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Intelligent Design: An hypothesis that some natural phenomena are best explained by reference to Intelligent Causes rather than to only Material Causes. As such, Intelligent Design is the scientific disagreement with, and the falsifying hypothesis for, the claims of Chemical and Darwinian Evolution that the apparent design of certain natural phenomena is just an illusion. Intelligent design can also be viewed as the Science of design detection applied to natural phenomena.

[URL=http://www.intelligentdesignnetwork.org/Statement_of_Objectives_Feb_12_07.pdf


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The theory of intelligent design, as I understand, you’re not inquiring, but we endorse that decision as a policy decision. Also, is an historical scientific theory that raises larger philosophical implications, so the two are equivalent in that respect, and they are, in fact, with respect to their attempts to explain the appearance of design in biological systems, they are competitor hypotheses.

Stephen Meyer – Kansas Evolution Hearings (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/kansas/kangaroo8.html#p3494) (my underline)


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On the other hand, for example, intelligent design, it’s not the only opponent, by the way, of Darwinian evolution.

Stephen Meyer – Kansas Evolution Hearings (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/kansas/kangaroo8.html#p3494)


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Q And it’s a negative argument against the part of that argument called common descent, correct?

A That’s correct, just as my argument was an argument against natural selection. And when people make claims for natural selection, I have to show why that is a poor explanation for what we see.

Dover Trial Testimony – A = Dr. Michael Behe

[URL=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dover/day11pm2.html


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Why is it you have to attack ID with your ignorance when all it takes to refute ID is to actually step up and support your position [evolution] with POSITIVE evidence?



Please, point out to me where "blind and mindless processes" appear in these quotes.

They don't.

Since you aren't the voice of ID. I'm going with them. As much as I don't like them... they are the ones who say what the movement is.

They say ID is anti-evolution... again... and again... and again.

Edited by OgreMkV on Jan. 18 2018,14:53

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2018,14:51   

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Scott refers to me as an intelligent design "creationist," even though I clearly write in my book Darwin's Black Box (which Scott cites) that I am not a creationist and have no reason to doubt common descent. In fact, my own views fit quite comfortably with the 40% of scientists that Scott acknowledges think "evolution occurred, but was guided by God."- Dr Michael Behe


One for me

LOL... Behe doesn't know anything about ID. He doesn't even know if it's a mechanistic idea or not.

If you want to claim Behe has support, then you are in a lot of trouble.

He's why ID lost the science side of the Kitzmiller trial.

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Again, as I made abundantly clear at trial, it isn’t “evolution” but Darwinism — random mutation and natural selection — that ID challenges. Darwinism makes the large, crucial claim that random processes and natural selection can account for the functional complexity of life. Thus the “burden of proof” for Darwinism necessarily is to support its special claim — not simply to show that common descent looks to be true. How can a demand for Darwinism to convincingly support its express claim be “unreasonable”?  The 19th century ether theory of the propagation of light could not be tested simply by showing that light was a wave; it had to test directly for the ether. Darwinism is not tested by studies showing simply that organisms are related; it has to show evidence for the sufficiency of random mutation and natural selection to make complex, functional systems. - Dr Behe


Two for me

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"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2018,14:54   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 18 2018,14:51)
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 18 2018,14:43)
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Scott refers to me as an intelligent design "creationist," even though I clearly write in my book Darwin's Black Box (which Scott cites) that I am not a creationist and have no reason to doubt common descent. In fact, my own views fit quite comfortably with the 40% of scientists that Scott acknowledges think "evolution occurred, but was guided by God."- Dr Michael Behe


One for me

LOL... Behe doesn't know anything about ID. He doesn't even know if it's a mechanistic idea or not.

If you want to claim Behe has support, then you are in a lot of trouble.

He's why ID lost the science side of the Kitzmiller trial.

What a fucking coward you are, Kevin. The only reason the plaintiffs won is because the judge was an ignoramus. He was fooled by a literature bluff and bought the lies of the evos

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"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2018,14:55   

Joke,

Is it true that Aves (birds) is a class in Linnaean taxonomy?
Is it true that Amphibia (amphibians and reptiles) is a class in Linnaean taxonomy?

Yes or no?

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Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 18 2018,14:50)
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 18 2018,14:34)
 
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The leaders of the ID movement (of which you are not) have ALL specifically said that ID is anti-evolution.


Liar. They all claim that ID is anti evolution by means of blind and mindless processes, just as I have said. You are just an ignorant ass

I guess I will have to provide the quotes again...

 
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The theory of intelligent design (ID) holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause rather than an undirected process such as natural selection. ID is thus a scientific disagreement with the core claim of evolutionary theory that the apparent design of living systems is an illusion.   [URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/id-defined/


 
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Intelligent Design: An hypothesis that some natural phenomena are best explained by reference to Intelligent Causes rather than to only Material Causes. As such, Intelligent Design is the scientific disagreement with, and the falsifying hypothesis for, the claims of Chemical and Darwinian Evolution that the apparent design of certain natural phenomena is just an illusion. Intelligent design can also be viewed as the Science of design detection applied to natural phenomena.

[URL=http://www.intelligentdesignnetwork.org/Statement_of_Objectives_Feb_12_07.pdf


 
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The theory of intelligent design, as I understand, you’re not inquiring, but we endorse that decision as a policy decision. Also, is an historical scientific theory that raises larger philosophical implications, so the two are equivalent in that respect, and they are, in fact, with respect to their attempts to explain the appearance of design in biological systems, they are competitor hypotheses.

Stephen Meyer – Kansas Evolution Hearings (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/kansas/kangaroo8.html#p3494) (my underline)


 
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On the other hand, for example, intelligent design, it’s not the only opponent, by the way, of Darwinian evolution.

Stephen Meyer – Kansas Evolution Hearings (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/kansas/kangaroo8.html#p3494)


 
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Q And it’s a negative argument against the part of that argument called common descent, correct?

A That’s correct, just as my argument was an argument against natural selection. And when people make claims for natural selection, I have to show why that is a poor explanation for what we see.

Dover Trial Testimony – A = Dr. Michael Behe

[URL=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dover/day11pm2.html


 
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Why is it you have to attack ID with your ignorance when all it takes to refute ID is to actually step up and support your position [evolution] with POSITIVE evidence?



Please, point out to me where "blind and mindless processes" appear in these quotes.

They don't.

Since you aren't the voice of ID. I'm going with them. As much as I don't like them... they are the ones who say what the movement is.

They say ID is anti-evolution... again... and again... and again.

Umm, moron, natural selection is blind and mindless.

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"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton

Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2018,14:57   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 18 2018,14:55)
Joke,

Is it true that Aves (birds) is a class in Linnaean taxonomy?
Is it true that Amphibia (amphibians and reptiles) is a class in Linnaean taxonomy?

Yes or no?

Look it up, asshole. Then come back when you have the info and are ready to make a case.

I provided a power-reviewed paper to support my claim Read it

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"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton

Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD

YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2018,14:57   

Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 18 2018,14:57)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 18 2018,14:55)
Joke,

Is it true that Aves (birds) is a class in Linnaean taxonomy?
Is it true that Amphibia (amphibians and reptiles) is a class in Linnaean taxonomy?

Yes or no?

Look it up, asshole. Then come back when you have the info and are ready to make a case.

I provided a power-reviewed paper to support my claim Read it

Answer the questions.

Yes or no.

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