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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2018,15:39   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 19 2018,14:29)
Joke:  
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The only reason why your words got JSmith banned is because you were JSmith.

When have you ever heard me deny being a sock when I was one? Acartia, Acartia_bogart, Tintinnid, Sleeman Tallcan, Ziggy Lorence, William Spearshake, ET. Why would I deny being JSmith if I were him? It doesn’t make any sense. Oh, forgive me. I forgot who I was talking to.

OK so there is another loser that spews the same lame trope and has the same ignorance of the English language. AND who also happens to post from Canada.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2018,15:41   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 19 2018,13:47)
Kariosfocus is such a tool.

I've been posting as the sock "ET" at UD for months now, pretending to be a dirt ignorant yet arrogant ID supporter.  KF is so gullible he's embraced ET as one of his best allies.  

I'm tired of the sock so I thought I'd out myself just to watch KF throw another hissy fit.   :p

You don't have to pretend, timmy. You are a proven dirt ignorant, yet arrogant imbecile.

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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2018,15:42   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 19 2018,14:01)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 19 2018,13:47)
Kariosfocus is such a tool.

I've been posting as the sock "ET" at UD for months now, pretending to be a dirt ignorant yet arrogant ID supporter.  KF is so gullible he's embraced ET as one of his best allies.  

I'm tired of the sock so I thought I'd out myself just to watch KF throw another hissy fit.   :p

No. I have been posting as ET over at UD for the last year to undermine the intelligence of ID supporters with my stupid comments.

Except ET hasn't been posting on UD for the past year, loser. And you underscore the lack of intelligence associated with the promoters of evolutionism.

Thank you

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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2018,16:02   

The imbeciles over on TSZ are having difficulties with the fact that Darwinian/ neo-Darwinian evolution is undirected. One moron thinks that cuz natural selection isn't entirely random- it is non-random in an insignificant way- that means it is directed.

According to the modern synthesis all mutations are chance events. They are accidents, errors and mistakes. They are not directed to occur. Also they are not directed to any given outcome. They are undirected in all senses of the word. Blind and mindless processes do not offer any guidance. Whatever mutations happen and aren't fatal may get passed down to the next generation.

Where do these assholes learn about the concept they are trying to defend?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2018,16:52   

Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 19 2018,15:36)
 
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 19 2018,14:13)
 
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 19 2018,13:45)
The only reason why your words got JSmith banned is because you were JSmith.

I wonder what KF will do when he finds out I've been posing as the sock "ET" at UD for months?  It's been difficult pretending to be that big of a scientifically illiterate jackass but I just used Joke Gallien's posts as inspiration.  The key was adding "ass face loser!" to most every comment.   :D

LoL! You are a scientifically illiterate puke, timmy. You don't have to pretend.

Ass face loser!

:p

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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2018,16:55   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 19 2018,16:52)
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 19 2018,15:36)
   
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 19 2018,14:13)
   
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 19 2018,13:45)
The only reason why your words got JSmith banned is because you were JSmith.

I wonder what KF will do when he finds out I've been posing as the sock "ET" at UD for months?  It's been difficult pretending to be that big of a scientifically illiterate jackass but I just used Joke Gallien's posts as inspiration.  The key was adding "ass face loser!" to most every comment.   :D

LoL! You are a scientifically illiterate puke, timmy. You don't have to pretend.

Ass face loser!

:p

Exactly, timmy. You are an ass faced loser- complete with shit spewing out of your mouth. :razz:

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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2018,17:40   

Proof that Ogre, aka Kevin is a willfully ignorant ass

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The leaders of the ID movement (of which you are not) have ALL specifically said that ID is anti-evolution.


No, Kevin. They all say that ID is anti-DARWINIAN evolution just as all of your quotes demonstrate. And Darwinian evolution has specific entailments- those being the processes involved are blind, mindless and without purpose. Evolution by means of intelligent design, ie directed evolution exemplified by genetic algorithms (which are goal oriented), is still evolution.

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YOU, Joke, have said that all you have to do to disprove ID is provide evidence of evolution.

No, Kevin, I have said to refute ID you have to provide evidence for evolution by means of blind and mindless processes producing what IDists say required an Intelligent Designer. Then I referenced Newton's four rules of scientific investigation and Occam's Razor to support that claim.

I have been over this many times, Kevin. The problem is you and your ignorance with respect to what evolution is as put forth by Darwin and his followers. You love to say that I am not ID but you seem to forget that you are nothing with respect to science, biology and evolution. You are just a chump with some self-importance.

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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2018,10:15   

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Meanwhile, we will take due note of Ab’s exposure that beyond JS there are other “sock[puppet]” personas popping up in and around UD at rhetorically convenient times and coming from that source; a key sign is that such are not honest participants in discussion on the merits. KF


This is going to be fun. KF is going to accuse everyone who even mildly disagrees with him of being one of my sock puppets. This in spite of the fact that I have not commented at UD for quite some time, and have no desire to do so any time soon.

But watch out KF. I could be anyone. Man, woman, child. Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindi, pastafarian. Straight, homosexual, transgendered, homophobe. You will never see me coming. Just when you least expect it, BANG. Don’t trust anyone. I could be WJM, BA77, rvb8, StephenB, ET,... Bwaahaahaa (evil laugh while twirling moustache).

That you continue to whine about just supports our case. Thank you

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Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2018,10:29   

Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 20 2018,10:15)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 20 2018,09:58)
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Meanwhile, we will take due note of Ab’s exposure that beyond JS there are other “sock[puppet]” personas popping up in and around UD at rhetorically convenient times and coming from that source; a key sign is that such are not honest participants in discussion on the merits. KF


This is going to be fun. KF is going to accuse everyone who even mildly disagrees with him of being one of my sock puppets. This in spite of the fact that I have not commented at UD for quite some time, and have no desire to do so any time soon.

But watch out KF. I could be anyone. Man, woman, child. Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindi, pastafarian. Straight, homosexual, transgendered, homophobe. You will never see me coming. Just when you least expect it, BANG. Don’t trust anyone. I could be WJM, BA77, rvb8, StephenB, ET,... Bwaahaahaa (evil laugh while twirling moustache).

That you continue to whine about just supports our case. Thank you

No. I harp on this because I know that it will make Mullings go crazy trying to weed out what he believes to be my socks. So far his paranoia has resulted in one banning. I suspect a few more will soon come. If he’s lucky, he might actually get lucky and find one of my socks. I have several to spare. But if he does, I will announce it here, as I always have.

The best part is that I have caused him to go tinfoil-hat batshit-crazy without posting a single word at UD. I guess I have you to thank for that. Good job.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2018,10:35   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 20 2018,10:29)
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Meanwhile, we will take due note of Ab’s exposure that beyond JS there are other “sock[puppet]” personas popping up in and around UD at rhetorically convenient times and coming from that source; a key sign is that such are not honest participants in discussion on the merits. KF


This is going to be fun. KF is going to accuse everyone who even mildly disagrees with him of being one of my sock puppets. This in spite of the fact that I have not commented at UD for quite some time, and have no desire to do so any time soon.

But watch out KF. I could be anyone. Man, woman, child. Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindi, pastafarian. Straight, homosexual, transgendered, homophobe. You will never see me coming. Just when you least expect it, BANG. Don’t trust anyone. I could be WJM, BA77, rvb8, StephenB, ET,... Bwaahaahaa (evil laugh while twirling moustache).

That you continue to whine about just supports our case. Thank you

No. I harp on this because I know that it will make Mullings go crazy trying to weed out what he believes to be my socks. So far his paranoia has resulted in one banning. I suspect a few more will soon come. If he’s lucky, he might actually get lucky and find one of my socks. I have several to spare. But if he does, I will announce it here, as I always have.

The best part is that I have caused him to go tinfoil-hat batshit-crazy without posting a single word at UD. I guess I have you to thank for that. Good job.

LoL! You think way too highly of yourself. As I said JSmith your same lame arguments, has the same lame understanding of the English language and posted from Canada. I doubt it was a coincidence. And you are a known pathological liar so why would anyone believe you now?

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Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2018,10:58   

Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 20 2018,10:35)
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Meanwhile, we will take due note of Ab’s exposure that beyond JS there are other “sock[puppet]” personas popping up in and around UD at rhetorically convenient times and coming from that source; a key sign is that such are not honest participants in discussion on the merits. KF


This is going to be fun. KF is going to accuse everyone who even mildly disagrees with him of being one of my sock puppets. This in spite of the fact that I have not commented at UD for quite some time, and have no desire to do so any time soon.

But watch out KF. I could be anyone. Man, woman, child. Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindi, pastafarian. Straight, homosexual, transgendered, homophobe. You will never see me coming. Just when you least expect it, BANG. Don’t trust anyone. I could be WJM, BA77, rvb8, StephenB, ET,... Bwaahaahaa (evil laugh while twirling moustache).

That you continue to whine about just supports our case. Thank you

No. I harp on this because I know that it will make Mullings go crazy trying to weed out what he believes to be my socks. So far his paranoia has resulted in one banning. I suspect a few more will soon come. If he’s lucky, he might actually get lucky and find one of my socks. I have several to spare. But if he does, I will announce it here, as I always have.

The best part is that I have caused him to go tinfoil-hat batshit-crazy without posting a single word at UD. I guess I have you to thank for that. Good job.

LoL! You think way too highly of yourself. As I said JSmith your same lame arguments, has the same lame understanding of the English language and posted from Canada. I doubt it was a coincidence. And you are a known pathological liar so why would anyone believe you now?

Why would I care whether you or Mullings believed me? Use that brain of yours for something other than a means of dissipating heat. What  possible benefit could I gain by lying? Is it possible that you are afraid of what Mullings might do if he finds out you misled him? I wouldn’t worry about that though. He is so paranoid that he wants anyone who disagrees with him banned from UD. He won’t care if the justification for the banning comes from a false source. In his mind, you are now golden. Well, except for the part that is firmly lodged up his ass.

  
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2018,11:12   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 20 2018,10:58)
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 20 2018,10:35)
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Meanwhile, we will take due note of Ab’s exposure that beyond JS there are other “sock[puppet]” personas popping up in and around UD at rhetorically convenient times and coming from that source; a key sign is that such are not honest participants in discussion on the merits. KF


This is going to be fun. KF is going to accuse everyone who even mildly disagrees with him of being one of my sock puppets. This in spite of the fact that I have not commented at UD for quite some time, and have no desire to do so any time soon.

But watch out KF. I could be anyone. Man, woman, child. Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindi, pastafarian. Straight, homosexual, transgendered, homophobe. You will never see me coming. Just when you least expect it, BANG. Don’t trust anyone. I could be WJM, BA77, rvb8, StephenB, ET,... Bwaahaahaa (evil laugh while twirling moustache).

That you continue to whine about just supports our case. Thank you

No. I harp on this because I know that it will make Mullings go crazy trying to weed out what he believes to be my socks. So far his paranoia has resulted in one banning. I suspect a few more will soon come. If he’s lucky, he might actually get lucky and find one of my socks. I have several to spare. But if he does, I will announce it here, as I always have.

The best part is that I have caused him to go tinfoil-hat batshit-crazy without posting a single word at UD. I guess I have you to thank for that. Good job.

LoL! You think way too highly of yourself. As I said JSmith your same lame arguments, has the same lame understanding of the English language and posted from Canada. I doubt it was a coincidence. And you are a known pathological liar so why would anyone believe you now?

Why would I care whether you or Mullings believed me? Use that brain of yours for something other than a means of dissipating heat. What  possible benefit could I gain by lying? Is it possible that you are afraid of what Mullings might do if he finds out you misled him? I wouldn’t worry about that though. He is so paranoid that he wants anyone who disagrees with him banned from UD. He won’t care if the justification for the banning comes from a false source. In his mind, you are now golden. Well, except for the part that is firmly lodged up his ass.

No one believes you and no one cares.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2018,11:53   

Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 20 2018,11:12)
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Meanwhile, we will take due note of Ab’s exposure that beyond JS there are other “sock[puppet]” personas popping up in and around UD at rhetorically convenient times and coming from that source; a key sign is that such are not honest participants in discussion on the merits. KF


This is going to be fun. KF is going to accuse everyone who even mildly disagrees with him of being one of my sock puppets. This in spite of the fact that I have not commented at UD for quite some time, and have no desire to do so any time soon.

But watch out KF. I could be anyone. Man, woman, child. Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindi, pastafarian. Straight, homosexual, transgendered, homophobe. You will never see me coming. Just when you least expect it, BANG. Don’t trust anyone. I could be WJM, BA77, rvb8, StephenB, ET,... Bwaahaahaa (evil laugh while twirling moustache).

That you continue to whine about just supports our case. Thank you

No. I harp on this because I know that it will make Mullings go crazy trying to weed out what he believes to be my socks. So far his paranoia has resulted in one banning. I suspect a few more will soon come. If he’s lucky, he might actually get lucky and find one of my socks. I have several to spare. But if he does, I will announce it here, as I always have.

The best part is that I have caused him to go tinfoil-hat batshit-crazy without posting a single word at UD. I guess I have you to thank for that. Good job.

LoL! You think way too highly of yourself. As I said JSmith your same lame arguments, has the same lame understanding of the English language and posted from Canada. I doubt it was a coincidence. And you are a known pathological liar so why would anyone believe you now?

Why would I care whether you or Mullings believed me? Use that brain of yours for something other than a means of dissipating heat. What  possible benefit could I gain by lying? Is it possible that you are afraid of what Mullings might do if he finds out you misled him? I wouldn’t worry about that though. He is so paranoid that he wants anyone who disagrees with him banned from UD. He won’t care if the justification for the banning comes from a false source. In his mind, you are now golden. Well, except for the part that is firmly lodged up his ass.

No one believes you and no one cares.

Then why do you bother responding? Seems an unusual activity for someone who doesn’t care what I say.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2018,13:50   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 20 2018,11:53)
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Meanwhile, we will take due note of Ab’s exposure that beyond JS there are other “sock[puppet]” personas popping up in and around UD at rhetorically convenient times and coming from that source; a key sign is that such are not honest participants in discussion on the merits. KF


This is going to be fun. KF is going to accuse everyone who even mildly disagrees with him of being one of my sock puppets. This in spite of the fact that I have not commented at UD for quite some time, and have no desire to do so any time soon.

But watch out KF. I could be anyone. Man, woman, child. Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindi, pastafarian. Straight, homosexual, transgendered, homophobe. You will never see me coming. Just when you least expect it, BANG. Don’t trust anyone. I could be WJM, BA77, rvb8, StephenB, ET,... Bwaahaahaa (evil laugh while twirling moustache).

That you continue to whine about just supports our case. Thank you

No. I harp on this because I know that it will make Mullings go crazy trying to weed out what he believes to be my socks. So far his paranoia has resulted in one banning. I suspect a few more will soon come. If he’s lucky, he might actually get lucky and find one of my socks. I have several to spare. But if he does, I will announce it here, as I always have.

The best part is that I have caused him to go tinfoil-hat batshit-crazy without posting a single word at UD. I guess I have you to thank for that. Good job.

LoL! You think way too highly of yourself. As I said JSmith your same lame arguments, has the same lame understanding of the English language and posted from Canada. I doubt it was a coincidence. And you are a known pathological liar so why would anyone believe you now?

Why would I care whether you or Mullings believed me? Use that brain of yours for something other than a means of dissipating heat. What  possible benefit could I gain by lying? Is it possible that you are afraid of what Mullings might do if he finds out you misled him? I wouldn’t worry about that though. He is so paranoid that he wants anyone who disagrees with him banned from UD. He won’t care if the justification for the banning comes from a false source. In his mind, you are now golden. Well, except for the part that is firmly lodged up his ass.

No one believes you and no one cares.

Then why do you bother responding? Seems an unusual activity for someone who doesn’t care what I say.

No one believes you and no one cares.

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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2018,13:57   

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Which one of you is Denyse?

We both went to the same high school and we both live in Ottawa, so it must be me.

Denyse has a command of the English language that you and your sock do not. Denyse is not a bluffing fool. If she ever loses control of the English language and becomes a bluffing fool then people would suspect something is up.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2018,14:14   

'ID Leader' is so Ronrey

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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2018,15:00   

keiths continues to puke all over himself when it comes to nested hierarchies. And even though it has been proven that Doug Theobald is totally wrong keiths continues to reference him on nested hierarchies. Theobald wrongly spews:

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The only known processes that specifically generate unique, nested, hierarchical patterns are branching evolutionary processes.


WRONG! Linnaean Taxonomy is an objective nested hierarchy and it doesn't have anything to do with branching evolutionary processes. Corporations can be placed in objective nested hierarchies and again they have nothing to do with branching evolutionary processes. The US Army is a nested hierarchy and it too has nothing to do with branching evolutionary processes.

Clearly Theobald is ignorant of nested hierarchies. He goes on to spew:  

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It would be very problematic if many species were found that combined characteristics of different nested groupings


Umm, TRANSITIONAL FORMs have combined characteristics of different nested groups, Dougy. And your position expects numerous transitional forms.

But Doug's biggest mistake was saying that phylogenies form a nested hierarchy- they don't as explained in the Knox paper-  “The use of hierarchies as organizational models in systematics”, Biological Journal of the Linnaean Society, 63: 1–49, 1998.

And for fuck's sake even Darwin knew that if you tried to include all of the alleged transitional forms you couldn't form distinguished groups:    

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Extinction has only defined the groups: it has by no means made them; for if every form which has ever lived on this earth were suddenly to reappear, though it would be quite impossible to give definitions by which each group could be distinguished, still a natural classification, or at least a natural arrangement, would be possible.- Charles Darwin chapter 14



Nested hierarchies require distinct and distinguished groups- again see Linnaean Taxonomy. AND nested hierarchies are artificial constructs.

So only by cherry picking would Common Descent yield a nested hierarchy.

And I understand why the losers here don't want to discuss it.

Zachriel, Alan Fox and John Harshman are also totally ignorant when it comes to nested hierarchies. Now I know why I was banned from the skeptical zone- so I couldn't refute their nonsense to their faces. This way they can continue to ignore reality and prattle on like a bunch of ignoramuses.

Sad, really. Here is another hint from the Knox paper:

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Regardless of what is eventually learned about the evolution of Clarkia/Heterogaura, the complex nature of evolutionary processes yields patterns that are more complex than can be represented by the simple hierarchical models of either monophyletic systematization or Linnaean classification.


Notice the either or at the end? Only Linnaean classification is the objective nested hierarchy with respect to biology. And what does UC Berkley say about Linnaean classification?:  

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Most of us are accustomed to the Linnaean system of classification that assigns every organism a kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, genus, and species, which, among other possibilities, has the handy mnemonic King Philip Came Over For Good Soup. This system was created long before scientists understood that organisms evolved. Because the Linnaean system is not based on evolution, most biologists are switching to a classification system that reflects the organisms' evolutionary history.



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*The standard system of classification in which every organism is assigned a kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, genus, and species. This system groups organisms into ever smaller and smaller groups (like a series of boxes within boxes, called a nested hierarchy).


It was based on a common design scheme.

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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2018,17:26   

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kairosfocus January 22, 2018 at 1:50 pm
DiEb,

definitionitis is an old complaint and too often a disease of the hyperskeptic that makes a mountain out of a mole-hill.

In the context, we have dealt with configuration spaces, which can be regarded as phase spaces in which momentum issues are not material.

In such spaces, we can see complexity through combinatorial explosion, e.g. for text strings. Since such strings can be used to describe a 3-d entity or a process etc, discussion on strings is WLOG.

Now, certain clusters of configs in the space of possibilities w [for omega the traditional symbol in stat thermo-d] may be observably and identifiably distinct e.g. by providing some structurally based function, such as the correctly assembled parts of a 6500 c3 fishing reel, my favourite case. Thus we have a cluster of states that are functional in some way and a vastly larger number of clumped or scattered states that will not function in any relevant way.

Of course the issue that relevant systems are self replicating is trotted out. the problem is we are looking at a cell-scale von Neuman kinematic self replicator, which is a further example of functionally specific complex orgtanisation and associated information that needs to be explained before it is allowed to drive all sorts of conclusions.

Yes, OOL must be solved first.

We then can ask ourselves, how do we get to such a cluster or island of function, a case e from a zone E within w.

If by blind chance and/or mechanical necessity, any reasonable assignment of probabilities of accessing cases c for a complex case such that c is in E, will be rapidly negligibly different from zero.

Exponential explosion of possibilities as n bits have 2^n possible configs. More complex cases can be reduced to bits.

This of course runs into challenges of numerically or algebraically defining probabilities and defining functional targets.

There is an answer: search challenge.

Long since put here at UD and elsewhere.

Once the space w is for at least 500 – 1,000 bits, we are looking at 3.27*10^150 – 1.07*10^301 possibilities.

The atomic resources and atomic interaction rates for the 10^57 atoms of the sol system for the low end and the 10^80 for the observed cosmos at the high end, are such that the fraction of selected possibilities c from w is negligibly different from 0.

So, it is maximally implausible to reach any reasonably isolated island of function in the space by blind search.

Plausibility fail, backed up by utter want of empirical observation.

And, search then is implied as sampling of subsets in config spaces relevant to our studies.

Here, as default, blindly by chance and mechanical necessity.

Try AA sequence space and codon space that targets it. We could try random bit strings for AUTOCAD, hoping to come up with a design for a reel, or we can try random ASCII text to get text from the corpus of literature in English or the like.

All these cases give the same result, for rather obvious reasons.

Likewise, we can then say oh we have some circumstance that searches are very effective as natural selection is held to be. Of course that is within islands of function, when we need to find the islands as the first problem, not incremental hill climbing within the island.

In any case as searches are effectively subsets, they come from the power set of the space and so are exponentially harder, space of size w has power set of size 2^w. Search for golden search is far worse than direct search per whatever atomic level interactions occur in sol system or observed cosmos.

Such cases of functionally specific complex organisation and associated information have just one well known causal source: intelligently directed configuration.

But the whole point is, after years and years you and others of like ilk still want to sweep that inconvenient fact off the board and so repeatedly rhetorically pretend we have not provided a serious answer.

It has been there, for decades.

KF

 
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DiEb January 22, 2018 at 2:31 pm
KF, you obviously have no idea how modern mathematics work.


I can haz numbars?

:p  :D  :O

 
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kairosfocus January 22, 2018 at 3:30 pm
ET, I am positively trembling with fear of how my utter lack of intelligence, knowledge and ability to add up 2 and 3 have been exposed before the watching penumbra of animus sites. KF

From the ‘I know you are but what am I’ school of debate.

The Condensed KF:

1.  Here's a fishing reel.
2.  It looks really complicated.
3.  It was designed.
4.  Here's something biological.
5.  It looks even more complicated than the fishing reel.
6.  Therefore it was designed.
7.  In the event of awkward questions, start whining about ad hominem, red herrings, straw men....
8.  If that doesn't work, bang on about abortion, atheists, Muslims...
9.  If all else fails, Lewontin!

I've yet to see anything from Gordon which can't replaced by one, some or all of these steps.

As opposed to your 4 step "argument":

1- It wasn't designed

2- See step 1

3- Besides you're an IDiot

4- cdesign proponentist

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2018,17:32   

May I suggest something to the moderators? Rather than give Joke his own Forum, make him respond in the thread where the comment was raised. If he can’t do that (duh?) his point isn’t worth listening to (again, Duh?).

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2018,17:43   

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May I suggest something to the moderators? Rather than give Joke his own Forum, make him respond in the thread where the comment was raised. If he can’t do that (duh?) his point isn’t worth listening to (again, Duh?).

LoL! I do respond in the proper thread, dipshit. They have it set up so everything I post comes back here.

And look, moron, all you cowards are doing is gossiping. You don't have a point except to try to make yourselves feel superior somehow. It isn't as if you guys can discuss the science behind materialism or evolution by means of blind and mindless processes.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2018,17:44   

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May I suggest something to the moderators? Rather than give Joke his own Forum, make him respond in the thread where the comment was raised. If he can’t do that (duh?) his point isn’t worth listening to (again, Duh?).

LoL! I do respond in the proper thread, dipshit. They have it set up so everything I post comes back here.

And look, moron, all you cowards are doing is gossiping. You don't have a point except to try to make yourselves feel superior somehow. It isn't as if you guys can discuss the science behind materialism or evolution by means of blind and mindless processes.

Duh?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2018,17:49   

Does Gordon Mullings, your boy toy, know that you have a dedicated thread on the penumbra of animus sites?

  
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May I suggest something to the moderators? Rather than give Joke his own Forum, make him respond in the thread where the comment was raised. If he can’t do that (duh?) his point isn’t worth listening to (again, Duh?).

LoL! I do respond in the proper thread, dipshit. They have it set up so everything I post comes back here.

And look, moron, all you cowards are doing is gossiping. You don't have a point except to try to make yourselves feel superior somehow. It isn't as if you guys can discuss the science behind materialism or evolution by means of blind and mindless processes.

Duh?

So you agree that all you cowards are doing is gossiping. You don't have a point except to try to make yourselves feel superior somehow. It isn't as if you guys can discuss the science behind materialism or evolution by means of blind and mindless processes.

Thank you

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2018,17:54   

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Does Gordon Mullings, your boy toy, know that you have a dedicated thread on the penumbra of animus sites?

And all you got was a simpering coward thread...

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leadership? All you idiots do is post on a dwindling number of blogs.

Time for rethinking origins across the board!

KF, the author, at comment 5 is back to the old fallacy of argument from authority with Lewontin (never mind that he's never gotten it right, not that Lewontin's piece is very clear or much good in the first place (that he didn't like Sagan seems to the main point)).

I'd settle for IDists finally thinking. Rethinking can't take place before that.

Glen Davidson

LoL! Compared to what your position has to offer it is clear that IDists are the only people doing the thinking.

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leadership? All you idiots do is post on a dwindling number of blogs.

And all you losers do is gossip. But hey you sure as hell can't as hell can't talk about any science that supports your position so gossip is all that you have.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2018,15:42   

So ronery.  So terribly terribly ronery.   :(

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2018,16:13   

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So ronery.  So terribly terribly ronery.   :(

Yes, I know. I don't have any sympathy for you, if that's what yo are looking for. :p

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2018,19:05   

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So ronery.  So terribly terribly ronery.   :(

Yes, I know. I don't have any sympathy for you, if that's what yo are looking for. :p

I only want a properly functioning toaster.  And for that, I am thankful that you exist.

  
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So ronery.  So terribly terribly ronery.   :(

Yes, I know. I don't have any sympathy for you, if that's what yo are looking for. :p

I only want a properly functioning toaster.  And for that, I am thankful that you exist.

You're a brave soul.  I certainly wouldn't eat any food that's been a place Joke touched with his hands.

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