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paragwinn



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2018,19:06   

Hey Joe G,

Why is Linnaean's classification THE objective nested hierarchy?

Why did scientists like Newton never invoke God in Nature's operations (not to be confused with Nature's origin)?

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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2018,20:19   

Quote (paragwinn @ Jan. 05 2018,19:06)
Hey Joe G,

Why is Linnaean's classification THE objective nested hierarchy?

Why did scientists like Newton never invoke God in Nature's operations (not to be confused with Nature's origin)?

Linnaean classification is the objective nested hierarchy due to its scientific standards and lack of numerous transitional forms to have to sort through. The more transitional forms involved the fewer the number of defining characteristics that can be used. And with the number of transitional forms that have been alleged to exist that few will become one until that one starts to get blurred.

Linnaean classification depicts nice neat distinct sets.

As for Newton, read Principia. Newton and many others (like Kepler and Copernicus) saw science as a way of understanding God's Creation. I would think that God made the universe to be self-serving. No need to meddle with nature's operations.

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"Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton

Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD

YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

   
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2018,20:21   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 05 2018,18:24)
So Ronrey is pimping his blog.

keiths continues to puke all over himself when it comes to nested hierarchies. And even though it has been proven that Doug Theobald is totally wrong keiths continues to reference him on nested hierarchies. Theobald wrongly spews:

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The only known processes that specifically generate unique, nested, hierarchical patterns are branching evolutionary processes.


WRONG! Linnaean Taxonomy is an objective nested hierarchy and it doesn't have anything to do with branching evolutionary processes. Corporations can be placed in objective nested hierarchies and again they have nothing to do with branching evolutionary processes. The US Army is a nested hierarchy and it too has nothing to do with branching evolutionary processes.

Clearly Theobald is ignorant of nested hierarchies. He goes on to spew:  

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It would be very problematic if many species were found that combined characteristics of different nested groupings


Umm, TRANSITIONAL FORMs have combined characteristics of different nested groups, Dougy. And your position expects numerous transitional forms.

But Doug's biggest mistake was saying that phylogenies form a nested hierarchy- they don't as explained in the Knox paper-  “The use of hierarchies as organizational models in systematics”, Biological Journal of the Linnaean Society, 63: 1–49, 1998.

And for fuck's sake even Darwin knew that if you tried to include all of the alleged transitional forms you couldn't form distinguished groups:    

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Extinction has only defined the groups: it has by no means made them; for if every form which has ever lived on this earth were suddenly to reappear, though it would be quite impossible to give definitions by which each group could be distinguished, still a natural classification, or at least a natural arrangement, would be possible.- Charles Darwin chapter 14



Nested hierarchies require distinct and distinguished groups- again see Linnaean Taxonomy. AND nested hierarchies are artificial constructs.

So only by cherry picking would Common Descent yield a nested hierarchy.

And I understand why the losers here don't want to discuss it.

Zachriel, Alan Fox and John Harshman are also totally ignorant when it comes to nested hierarchies. Now I know why I was banned from the skeptical zone- so I couldn't refute their nonsense to their faces. This way they can continue to ignore reality and prattle on like a bunch of ignoramuses.

Sad, really. Here is another hint from the Knox paper:

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Regardless of what is eventually learned about the evolution of Clarkia/Heterogaura, the complex nature of evolutionary processes yields patterns that are more complex than can be represented by the simple hierarchical models of either monophyletic systematization or Linnaean classification.


Notice the either or at the end? Only Linnaean classification is the objective nested hierarchy with respect to biology. And what does UC Berkley say about Linnaean classification?:  

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Most of us are accustomed to the Linnaean system of classification that assigns every organism a kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, genus, and species, which, among other possibilities, has the handy mnemonic King Philip Came Over For Good Soup. This system was created long before scientists understood that organisms evolved. Because the Linnaean system is not based on evolution, most biologists are switching to a classification system that reflects the organisms' evolutionary history.



and
 
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*The standard system of classification in which every organism is assigned a kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, genus, and species. This system groups organisms into ever smaller and smaller groups (like a series of boxes within boxes, called a nested hierarchy).


It was based on a common design scheme.

Davey's ignorant call of "special pleading" is just its cowardice. Davey will never be able to actually make a valid case for it. And I am more than OK with that.

My Challenge to Davey still stands- I will gladly debate him on a neutral forum about nested hierarchies. And then have the readers vote on who won

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"Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton

Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD

YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

   
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2018,12:00   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 09 2018,10:53)
Quote (JohnW @ Jan. 09 2018,10:45)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 09 2018,08:37)
KF has been boasting that UD is among the top 1% of sites in the web. JSmith responds.
 
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And it has a trust ranking of 1

"Lacks most basic contact information; recognized as “listed” but with the lowest possible score."


Link

On that thread, JSmith is "debating" ET, who is not Joe.  Guess how it's going.

Let's see.
JSmith:  
Quote
ET

JS: Are there any circumstances under which it is morally acceptable to intentionally kill the wives and infants of a defeated enemy?

ET: Yes- disease comes to mind. They carry something that they are immune to but you and yours are not.

JS: Are you being serious? They just defeated their enemy in close combat using swords, spears and knives.

ET: They were NOT fighting the women and children in close combat.

JSmith: Epidemiology is not your strong suit, is it?

ET: Wow, such a devastating refutation! Women and children are the carriers of the disease and men are not. The hormonal changes from male child to adult squelch the disease such that it is no longer a threat to anyone.

It isn’t necessarily a bloodborne pathogen.

It looks like it is going as we expected.

JSmith, who is clearly acartia blowTARD, is proving the title of the thread is correct. It can't even make a case, which is the same cowardice portrayed by all of its other socks.

It what way is it absurd that a disease described could exist and that thinking life arose from the ooze isn't absurd?

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"Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton

Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD

YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

   
JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2018,15:15   

Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 09 2018,10:00)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 09 2018,10:53)
Quote (JohnW @ Jan. 09 2018,10:45)
 
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 09 2018,08:37)
KF has been boasting that UD is among the top 1% of sites in the web. JSmith responds.
   
Quote
And it has a trust ranking of 1

"Lacks most basic contact information; recognized as “listed” but with the lowest possible score."


Link

On that thread, JSmith is "debating" ET, who is not Joe.  Guess how it's going.

Let's see.
JSmith:  
Quote
ET

JS: Are there any circumstances under which it is morally acceptable to intentionally kill the wives and infants of a defeated enemy?

ET: Yes- disease comes to mind. They carry something that they are immune to but you and yours are not.

JS: Are you being serious? They just defeated their enemy in close combat using swords, spears and knives.

ET: They were NOT fighting the women and children in close combat.

JSmith: Epidemiology is not your strong suit, is it?

ET: Wow, such a devastating refutation! Women and children are the carriers of the disease and men are not. The hormonal changes from male child to adult squelch the disease such that it is no longer a threat to anyone.

It isn’t necessarily a bloodborne pathogen.

It looks like it is going as we expected.

JSmith, who is clearly acartia blowTARD, is proving the title of the thread is correct. It can't even make a case, which is the same cowardice portrayed by all of its other socks.

It what way is it absurd that a disease described could exist and that thinking life arose from the ooze isn't absurd?

Name a disease which works like this.

It would have to be a disease known to the Israelites - otherwise you can't use this as your justification.  If they didn't think there was a real danger from a disease which spread in this way, why kill the women and children, rather than, say, people who owned cows, or people with a good singing voice?

There's much more evidence for the existence of a degenerative brain disease which only affects portly toaster repairmen in New England.

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Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers

There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

  
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2018,18:51   

Quote (JohnW @ Jan. 09 2018,15:15)
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 09 2018,10:00)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 09 2018,10:53)
 
Quote (JohnW @ Jan. 09 2018,10:45)
 
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 09 2018,08:37)
KF has been boasting that UD is among the top 1% of sites in the web. JSmith responds.
   
Quote
And it has a trust ranking of 1

"Lacks most basic contact information; recognized as “listed” but with the lowest possible score."


Link

On that thread, JSmith is "debating" ET, who is not Joe.  Guess how it's going.

Let's see.
JSmith:    
Quote
ET

JS: Are there any circumstances under which it is morally acceptable to intentionally kill the wives and infants of a defeated enemy?

ET: Yes- disease comes to mind. They carry something that they are immune to but you and yours are not.

JS: Are you being serious? They just defeated their enemy in close combat using swords, spears and knives.

ET: They were NOT fighting the women and children in close combat.

JSmith: Epidemiology is not your strong suit, is it?

ET: Wow, such a devastating refutation! Women and children are the carriers of the disease and men are not. The hormonal changes from male child to adult squelch the disease such that it is no longer a threat to anyone.

It isn’t necessarily a bloodborne pathogen.

It looks like it is going as we expected.

JSmith, who is clearly acartia blowTARD, is proving the title of the thread is correct. It can't even make a case, which is the same cowardice portrayed by all of its other socks.

It what way is it absurd that a disease described could exist and that thinking life arose from the ooze isn't absurd?

Name a disease which works like this.

It would have to be a disease known to the Israelites - otherwise you can't use this as your justification.  If they didn't think there was a real danger from a disease which spread in this way, why kill the women and children, rather than, say, people who owned cows, or people with a good singing voice?

There's much more evidence for the existence of a degenerative brain disease which only affects portly toaster repairmen in New England.

It's been eradicated, duh. And it would have to be known to God, duh. And guess what? God, being God, knew and knew what the Israelis had to do about it.

And again, loser, you are the brain damaged lot who think life arose via physics, chemical reactions and the magical emergence. What I am suggesting is very tame compared to what your position requires.

What is your obsession with toaster repair men? Did you get a shock sticking a metal knife into a working toaster and it fried your brain?

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"Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton

Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD

YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

   
fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2018,20:29   

What the actual...

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Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2018,20:31   

Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 09 2018,18:51)
Quote (JohnW @ Jan. 09 2018,15:15)
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 09 2018,10:00)
 
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 09 2018,10:53)
 
Quote (JohnW @ Jan. 09 2018,10:45)
   
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 09 2018,08:37)
KF has been boasting that UD is among the top 1% of sites in the web. JSmith responds.
     
Quote
And it has a trust ranking of 1

"Lacks most basic contact information; recognized as “listed” but with the lowest possible score."


Link

On that thread, JSmith is "debating" ET, who is not Joe.  Guess how it's going.

Let's see.
JSmith:    
Quote
ET

JS: Are there any circumstances under which it is morally acceptable to intentionally kill the wives and infants of a defeated enemy?

ET: Yes- disease comes to mind. They carry something that they are immune to but you and yours are not.

JS: Are you being serious? They just defeated their enemy in close combat using swords, spears and knives.

ET: They were NOT fighting the women and children in close combat.

JSmith: Epidemiology is not your strong suit, is it?

ET: Wow, such a devastating refutation! Women and children are the carriers of the disease and men are not. The hormonal changes from male child to adult squelch the disease such that it is no longer a threat to anyone.

It isn’t necessarily a bloodborne pathogen.

It looks like it is going as we expected.

JSmith, who is clearly acartia blowTARD, is proving the title of the thread is correct. It can't even make a case, which is the same cowardice portrayed by all of its other socks.

It what way is it absurd that a disease described could exist and that thinking life arose from the ooze isn't absurd?

Name a disease which works like this.

It would have to be a disease known to the Israelites - otherwise you can't use this as your justification.  If they didn't think there was a real danger from a disease which spread in this way, why kill the women and children, rather than, say, people who owned cows, or people with a good singing voice?

There's much more evidence for the existence of a degenerative brain disease which only affects portly toaster repairmen in New England.

It's been eradicated, duh. And it would have to be known to God, duh. And guess what? God, being God, knew and knew what the Israelis had to do about it.

And again, loser, you are the brain damaged lot who think life arose via physics, chemical reactions and the magical emergence. What I am suggesting is very tame compared to what your position requires.

What is your obsession with toaster repair men? Did you get a shock sticking a metal knife into a working toaster and it fried your brain?

Or God, being an omnipotent and loving God, could have cured the wives and infants. But, instead, he told the victors to rape and kill them.

  
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2018,20:52   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 09 2018,20:31)
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 09 2018,18:51)
Quote (JohnW @ Jan. 09 2018,15:15)
 
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 09 2018,10:00)
 
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 09 2018,10:53)
   
Quote (JohnW @ Jan. 09 2018,10:45)
   
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 09 2018,08:37)
KF has been boasting that UD is among the top 1% of sites in the web. JSmith responds.
     
Quote
And it has a trust ranking of 1

"Lacks most basic contact information; recognized as “listed” but with the lowest possible score."


Link

On that thread, JSmith is "debating" ET, who is not Joe.  Guess how it's going.

Let's see.
JSmith:      
Quote
ET

JS: Are there any circumstances under which it is morally acceptable to intentionally kill the wives and infants of a defeated enemy?

ET: Yes- disease comes to mind. They carry something that they are immune to but you and yours are not.

JS: Are you being serious? They just defeated their enemy in close combat using swords, spears and knives.

ET: They were NOT fighting the women and children in close combat.

JSmith: Epidemiology is not your strong suit, is it?

ET: Wow, such a devastating refutation! Women and children are the carriers of the disease and men are not. The hormonal changes from male child to adult squelch the disease such that it is no longer a threat to anyone.

It isn’t necessarily a bloodborne pathogen.

It looks like it is going as we expected.

JSmith, who is clearly acartia blowTARD, is proving the title of the thread is correct. It can't even make a case, which is the same cowardice portrayed by all of its other socks.

It what way is it absurd that a disease described could exist and that thinking life arose from the ooze isn't absurd?

Name a disease which works like this.

It would have to be a disease known to the Israelites - otherwise you can't use this as your justification.  If they didn't think there was a real danger from a disease which spread in this way, why kill the women and children, rather than, say, people who owned cows, or people with a good singing voice?

There's much more evidence for the existence of a degenerative brain disease which only affects portly toaster repairmen in New England.

It's been eradicated, duh. And it would have to be known to God, duh. And guess what? God, being God, knew and knew what the Israelis had to do about it.

And again, loser, you are the brain damaged lot who think life arose via physics, chemical reactions and the magical emergence. What I am suggesting is very tame compared to what your position requires.

What is your obsession with toaster repair men? Did you get a shock sticking a metal knife into a working toaster and it fried your brain?

Or God, being an omnipotent and loving God, could have cured the wives and infants. But, instead, he told the victors to rape and kill them.

Or it wasn't God at all.

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"Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton

Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD

YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

   
Acartia_Bogart



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Joined: Sep. 2014

(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2018,21:02   

Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 09 2018,20:52)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 09 2018,20:31)
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 09 2018,18:51)
 
Quote (JohnW @ Jan. 09 2018,15:15)
 
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 09 2018,10:00)
   
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 09 2018,10:53)
   
Quote (JohnW @ Jan. 09 2018,10:45)
     
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 09 2018,08:37)
KF has been boasting that UD is among the top 1% of sites in the web. JSmith responds.
       
Quote
And it has a trust ranking of 1

"Lacks most basic contact information; recognized as “listed” but with the lowest possible score."


Link

On that thread, JSmith is "debating" ET, who is not Joe.  Guess how it's going.

Let's see.
JSmith:      
Quote
ET

JS: Are there any circumstances under which it is morally acceptable to intentionally kill the wives and infants of a defeated enemy?

ET: Yes- disease comes to mind. They carry something that they are immune to but you and yours are not.

JS: Are you being serious? They just defeated their enemy in close combat using swords, spears and knives.

ET: They were NOT fighting the women and children in close combat.

JSmith: Epidemiology is not your strong suit, is it?

ET: Wow, such a devastating refutation! Women and children are the carriers of the disease and men are not. The hormonal changes from male child to adult squelch the disease such that it is no longer a threat to anyone.

It isn’t necessarily a bloodborne pathogen.

It looks like it is going as we expected.

JSmith, who is clearly acartia blowTARD, is proving the title of the thread is correct. It can't even make a case, which is the same cowardice portrayed by all of its other socks.

It what way is it absurd that a disease described could exist and that thinking life arose from the ooze isn't absurd?

Name a disease which works like this.

It would have to be a disease known to the Israelites - otherwise you can't use this as your justification.  If they didn't think there was a real danger from a disease which spread in this way, why kill the women and children, rather than, say, people who owned cows, or people with a good singing voice?

There's much more evidence for the existence of a degenerative brain disease which only affects portly toaster repairmen in New England.

It's been eradicated, duh. And it would have to be known to God, duh. And guess what? God, being God, knew and knew what the Israelis had to do about it.

And again, loser, you are the brain damaged lot who think life arose via physics, chemical reactions and the magical emergence. What I am suggesting is very tame compared to what your position requires.

What is your obsession with toaster repair men? Did you get a shock sticking a metal knife into a working toaster and it fried your brain?

Or God, being an omnipotent and loving God, could have cured the wives and infants. But, instead, he told the victors to rape and kill them.

Or it wasn't God at all.

Take that up with the bible.

  
Joe G



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Joined: July 2007

(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2018,23:09   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 09 2018,21:02)
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 09 2018,20:52)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 09 2018,20:31)
 
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 09 2018,18:51)
 
Quote (JohnW @ Jan. 09 2018,15:15)
   
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 09 2018,10:00)
   
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 09 2018,10:53)
     
Quote (JohnW @ Jan. 09 2018,10:45)
     
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 09 2018,08:37)
KF has been boasting that UD is among the top 1% of sites in the web. JSmith responds.
       
Quote
And it has a trust ranking of 1

"Lacks most basic contact information; recognized as “listed” but with the lowest possible score."


Link

On that thread, JSmith is "debating" ET, who is not Joe.  Guess how it's going.

Let's see.
JSmith:        
Quote
ET

JS: Are there any circumstances under which it is morally acceptable to intentionally kill the wives and infants of a defeated enemy?

ET: Yes- disease comes to mind. They carry something that they are immune to but you and yours are not.

JS: Are you being serious? They just defeated their enemy in close combat using swords, spears and knives.

ET: They were NOT fighting the women and children in close combat.

JSmith: Epidemiology is not your strong suit, is it?

ET: Wow, such a devastating refutation! Women and children are the carriers of the disease and men are not. The hormonal changes from male child to adult squelch the disease such that it is no longer a threat to anyone.

It isn’t necessarily a bloodborne pathogen.

It looks like it is going as we expected.

JSmith, who is clearly acartia blowTARD, is proving the title of the thread is correct. It can't even make a case, which is the same cowardice portrayed by all of its other socks.

It what way is it absurd that a disease described could exist and that thinking life arose from the ooze isn't absurd?

Name a disease which works like this.

It would have to be a disease known to the Israelites - otherwise you can't use this as your justification.  If they didn't think there was a real danger from a disease which spread in this way, why kill the women and children, rather than, say, people who owned cows, or people with a good singing voice?

There's much more evidence for the existence of a degenerative brain disease which only affects portly toaster repairmen in New England.

It's been eradicated, duh. And it would have to be known to God, duh. And guess what? God, being God, knew and knew what the Israelis had to do about it.

And again, loser, you are the brain damaged lot who think life arose via physics, chemical reactions and the magical emergence. What I am suggesting is very tame compared to what your position requires.

What is your obsession with toaster repair men? Did you get a shock sticking a metal knife into a working toaster and it fried your brain?

Or God, being an omnipotent and loving God, could have cured the wives and infants. But, instead, he told the victors to rape and kill them.

Or it wasn't God at all.

Take that up with the bible.

Exactly. The Victors get to write the history and justify their means to an end. "It was God!" and so it was written.

I have always said that if the Intelligent Designer is God that it A) isn't the God of the Bible, B) the Bible has most of it wrong or C) there were reasons and a plan behind all of those seemingly atrocious acts that we, today, can't comprehend.

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"Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton

Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD

YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

   
fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 10 2018,09:14   

or D) you're just making shit up as you go along.

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"Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

  
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 10 2018,11:44   

Quote (fnxtr @ Jan. 10 2018,09:14)
or D) you're just making shit up as you go along.

Except I have actually said A,B and C

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"Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton

Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD

YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

   
JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 10 2018,11:44   

Quote (fnxtr @ Jan. 10 2018,07:14)
or D) you're just making shit up as you go along.

Without even taking the time to maintain consistent shit:
4:51 pm:
Quote
And it would have to be known to God, duh. And guess what? God, being God, knew and knew what the Israelis had to do about it.

6:52 pm:
Quote
Or it wasn't God at all.


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Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers

There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

  
Joe G



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Joined: July 2007

(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 10 2018,11:57   

Quote (JohnW @ Jan. 10 2018,11:44)
Quote (fnxtr @ Jan. 10 2018,07:14)
or D) you're just making shit up as you go along.

Without even taking the time to maintain consistent shit:
4:51 pm:
Quote
And it would have to be known to God, duh. And guess what? God, being God, knew and knew what the Israelis had to do about it.

6:52 pm:
Quote
Or it wasn't God at all.

It's called "covering all of the bases"- Context is important.

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"Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton

Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD

YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

   
Acartia_Bogart



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Joined: Sep. 2014

(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 10 2018,12:48   

Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 10 2018,11:57)
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or D) you're just making shit up as you go along.

Without even taking the time to maintain consistent shit:
4:51 pm:
 
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And it would have to be known to God, duh. And guess what? God, being God, knew and knew what the Israelis had to do about it.

6:52 pm:
 
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Or it wasn't God at all.

It's called "covering all of the bases"- Context is important.

Just like with wavelength and frequency.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 10 2018,14:42   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 10 2018,12:48)
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 10 2018,11:57)
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or D) you're just making shit up as you go along.

Without even taking the time to maintain consistent shit:
4:51 pm:
 
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And it would have to be known to God, duh. And guess what? God, being God, knew and knew what the Israelis had to do about it.

6:52 pm:
 
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Or it wasn't God at all.

It's called "covering all of the bases"- Context is important.

Just like with wavelength and frequency.

Yes, context is important.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 10 2018,16:46   

Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 10 2018,22:42)
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Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 10 2018,11:57)
 
Quote (JohnW @ Jan. 10 2018,11:44)
 
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or D) you're just making shit up as you go along.

Without even taking the time to maintain consistent shit:
4:51 pm:
   
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And it would have to be known to God, duh. And guess what? God, being God, knew and knew what the Israelis had to do about it.

6:52 pm:
   
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Or it wasn't God at all.

It's called "covering all of the bases"- Context is important.

Just like with wavelength and frequency.

Yes, context is important.

Stop lying to yourself Joe......no scratch that, try to restrict your  posts to just replying to yourself. That way Joe only lies to Joe.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 10 2018,16:59   

Quote (k.e.. @ Jan. 10 2018,16:46)
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 10 2018,22:42)
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Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 10 2018,11:57)
 
Quote (JohnW @ Jan. 10 2018,11:44)
   
Quote (fnxtr @ Jan. 10 2018,07:14)
or D) you're just making shit up as you go along.

Without even taking the time to maintain consistent shit:
4:51 pm:
   
Quote
And it would have to be known to God, duh. And guess what? God, being God, knew and knew what the Israelis had to do about it.

6:52 pm:
   
Quote
Or it wasn't God at all.

It's called "covering all of the bases"- Context is important.

Just like with wavelength and frequency.

Yes, context is important.

Stop lying to yourself Joe......no scratch that, try to restrict your  posts to just replying to yourself. That way Joe only lies to Joe.

Yes, we already know that you and context don't mix.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2018,17:17   

So Ronrey!

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2018,17:43   

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So Ronrey!

keiths continues to puke all over himself when it comes to nested hierarchies. And even though it has been proven that Doug Theobald is totally wrong keiths continues to reference him on nested hierarchies. Theobald wrongly spews:

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The only known processes that specifically generate unique, nested, hierarchical patterns are branching evolutionary processes.


WRONG! Linnaean Taxonomy is an objective nested hierarchy and it doesn't have anything to do with branching evolutionary processes. Corporations can be placed in objective nested hierarchies and again they have nothing to do with branching evolutionary processes. The US Army is a nested hierarchy and it too has nothing to do with branching evolutionary processes.

Clearly Theobald is ignorant of nested hierarchies. He goes on to spew:  

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It would be very problematic if many species were found that combined characteristics of different nested groupings


Umm, TRANSITIONAL FORMs have combined characteristics of different nested groups, Dougy. And your position expects numerous transitional forms.

But Doug's biggest mistake was saying that phylogenies form a nested hierarchy- they don't as explained in the Knox paper-  “The use of hierarchies as organizational models in systematics”, Biological Journal of the Linnaean Society, 63: 1–49, 1998.

And for fuck's sake even Darwin knew that if you tried to include all of the alleged transitional forms you couldn't form distinguished groups:    

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Extinction has only defined the groups: it has by no means made them; for if every form which has ever lived on this earth were suddenly to reappear, though it would be quite impossible to give definitions by which each group could be distinguished, still a natural classification, or at least a natural arrangement, would be possible.- Charles Darwin chapter 14



Nested hierarchies require distinct and distinguished groups- again see Linnaean Taxonomy. AND nested hierarchies are artificial constructs.

So only by cherry picking would Common Descent yield a nested hierarchy.

And I understand why the losers here don't want to discuss it.

Zachriel, Alan Fox and John Harshman are also totally ignorant when it comes to nested hierarchies. Now I know why I was banned from the skeptical zone- so I couldn't refute their nonsense to their faces. This way they can continue to ignore reality and prattle on like a bunch of ignoramuses.

Sad, really. Here is another hint from the Knox paper:

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Regardless of what is eventually learned about the evolution of Clarkia/Heterogaura, the complex nature of evolutionary processes yields patterns that are more complex than can be represented by the simple hierarchical models of either monophyletic systematization or Linnaean classification.


Notice the either or at the end? Only Linnaean classification is the objective nested hierarchy with respect to biology. And what does UC Berkley say about Linnaean classification?:  

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Most of us are accustomed to the Linnaean system of classification that assigns every organism a kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, genus, and species, which, among other possibilities, has the handy mnemonic King Philip Came Over For Good Soup. This system was created long before scientists understood that organisms evolved. Because the Linnaean system is not based on evolution, most biologists are switching to a classification system that reflects the organisms' evolutionary history.



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*The standard system of classification in which every organism is assigned a kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, genus, and species. This system groups organisms into ever smaller and smaller groups (like a series of boxes within boxes, called a nested hierarchy).


It was based on a common design scheme.

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"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2018,18:00   

TL:DR, Ronrey Joe.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2018,19:14   

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TL:DR, Ronrey Joe.

Come over here

All you got is this moment
The twenty-first century's yesterday
You can care all you want
Everybody does yeah that's okay

So slide over here
And give me a moment
Your moves are so raw
I've got to let you know
I've got to let you know
You're one of my kind

I need you tonight
'Cause I'm not sleeping
There's something about you girl
That makes me sweat

How do you feel

I'm ronrey


RIP MH

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2018,19:30   

(yawns, wanders off somewhere more interesting...)

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 15 2018,15:43   

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I've never found a gathering of fools funnier than UD. They're like the 3 stooges wearing lab coats.

I've never found a gathering of fools more willfully ignorant that AtBC. They're like morons wearing ass-hats.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 15 2018,15:56   

So ronery.  Always so ronery.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 15 2018,16:03   

Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 15 2018,15:43)
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 15 2018,13:36)
I've never found a gathering of fools funnier than UD. They're like the 3 stooges wearing lab coats.

I've never found a gathering of fools more willfully ignorant that AtBC. They're like morons wearing ass-hats.


  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 15 2018,16:15   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 15 2018,16:03)
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 15 2018,15:43)
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 15 2018,13:36)
I've never found a gathering of fools funnier than UD. They're like the 3 stooges wearing lab coats.

I've never found a gathering of fools more willfully ignorant that AtBC. They're like morons wearing ass-hats.


LoL! No asshole, I am mocking this site's cowardly gossip. It's as if you ass-hats are proud to be just like little old, ronery ladies.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 15 2018,16:16   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 15 2018,15:56)
So ronery.  Always so ronery.

OA is too chicken-shit to respond:

keiths continues to puke all over himself when it comes to nested hierarchies. And even though it has been proven that Doug Theobald is totally wrong keiths continues to reference him on nested hierarchies. Theobald wrongly spews:

Quote
The only known processes that specifically generate unique, nested, hierarchical patterns are branching evolutionary processes.


WRONG! Linnaean Taxonomy is an objective nested hierarchy and it doesn't have anything to do with branching evolutionary processes. Corporations can be placed in objective nested hierarchies and again they have nothing to do with branching evolutionary processes. The US Army is a nested hierarchy and it too has nothing to do with branching evolutionary processes.

Clearly Theobald is ignorant of nested hierarchies. He goes on to spew:  

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It would be very problematic if many species were found that combined characteristics of different nested groupings


Umm, TRANSITIONAL FORMs have combined characteristics of different nested groups, Dougy. And your position expects numerous transitional forms.

But Doug's biggest mistake was saying that phylogenies form a nested hierarchy- they don't as explained in the Knox paper-  “The use of hierarchies as organizational models in systematics”, Biological Journal of the Linnaean Society, 63: 1–49, 1998.

And for fuck's sake even Darwin knew that if you tried to include all of the alleged transitional forms you couldn't form distinguished groups:    

Quote
Extinction has only defined the groups: it has by no means made them; for if every form which has ever lived on this earth were suddenly to reappear, though it would be quite impossible to give definitions by which each group could be distinguished, still a natural classification, or at least a natural arrangement, would be possible.- Charles Darwin chapter 14



Nested hierarchies require distinct and distinguished groups- again see Linnaean Taxonomy. AND nested hierarchies are artificial constructs.

So only by cherry picking would Common Descent yield a nested hierarchy.

And I understand why the losers here don't want to discuss it.

Zachriel, Alan Fox and John Harshman are also totally ignorant when it comes to nested hierarchies. Now I know why I was banned from the skeptical zone- so I couldn't refute their nonsense to their faces. This way they can continue to ignore reality and prattle on like a bunch of ignoramuses.

Sad, really. Here is another hint from the Knox paper:

Quote
Regardless of what is eventually learned about the evolution of Clarkia/Heterogaura, the complex nature of evolutionary processes yields patterns that are more complex than can be represented by the simple hierarchical models of either monophyletic systematization or Linnaean classification.


Notice the either or at the end? Only Linnaean classification is the objective nested hierarchy with respect to biology. And what does UC Berkley say about Linnaean classification?:  

Quote
Most of us are accustomed to the Linnaean system of classification that assigns every organism a kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, genus, and species, which, among other possibilities, has the handy mnemonic King Philip Came Over For Good Soup. This system was created long before scientists understood that organisms evolved. Because the Linnaean system is not based on evolution, most biologists are switching to a classification system that reflects the organisms' evolutionary history.



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*The standard system of classification in which every organism is assigned a kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, genus, and species. This system groups organisms into ever smaller and smaller groups (like a series of boxes within boxes, called a nested hierarchy).


It was based on a common design scheme.

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"Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton

Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD

YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 15 2018,16:21   

It looks like a couple of your own are making fools of you guys over at UD. That must sting.

  
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