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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 14 2017,17:27   

But at the risk of repeating myself, can somebody translate those "words to live by" into English?

On second thought, forget that question.

I think he's confusing abstract concepts with actual objects.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 14 2017,18:43   

Quote (Henry J @ Dec. 14 2017,15:27)
But at the risk of repeating myself, can somebody translate those "words to live by" into English?

On second thought, forget that question.

I think he's confusing abstract concepts with actual objects.

Most of Gordo's "philosophical" works reduce to "Stuff.  Therefore Jesus."

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 15 2017,00:07   

Quote (Henry J @ Dec. 14 2017,14:40)
Fills holes up to infinity? So is that holey, or un-holey?


I'll admit that is wholly confusing.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 15 2017,13:10   

From KF:
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Though this is not a thread about theology much less exegesis, and this blog is not about theology, it is worth a pause to give some balance. In C1, the Sadducees and Pharisees had disputes on the matter:

He posted the above less than 24 hours after posting an OP on this blog that is not about theology:
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God as a necessary, maximally great, endless being vs. the challenge to an actual infinity

Hypocisy, thy name is KairosFocus

  
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 15 2017,16:53   

J-Mac:
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KF,

I like you…I mean it…
You remind me of me when I couldn’t see through my blindness…

BTW: Would you burn your kids alive, if they disobeyed you?

Isn’t J-Mac an ID proponent? He has been beating up on KF for the last couple weeks.

Link

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 16 2017,00:12   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Dec. 15 2017,16:53)
J-Mac:
   
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KF,

I like you…I mean it…
You remind me of me when I couldn’t see through my blindness…

BTW: Would you burn your kids alive, if they disobeyed you?

Isn’t J-Mac an ID proponent? He has been beating up on KF for the last couple weeks.

Link

He's one of the more annoying ID proponants.  His comment seems to have gone down the memory hole.  The first comment is now    
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1 daveS December 15, 2017 at 9:03 am

KF,

I’m guessing that J-Mac’s comment was in jest (or meant ironically). Do you know who George Costanza is?

  
Lethean



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 16 2017,09:56   

Anyone who has bothered to read the OT knows you don't burn your kids alive.

You drown them.

Then when they are dead you burn them.

Forever.


(this is what a necessary, maximally great, endless being does anyway)

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 16 2017,12:56   

That thread just gets better and better.  KF contrasts the Wikipedia entry on ID with The New World Encyclopedia's longer and much more flattering ID entry and approves the latter without mentioning that the N.W.E. is a Moony publication, started by the Reverend Sun Myung Moon, who believed he was Jesus Christ on the Second Coming.  (Moon probably doesn't believe that any more, since he's dead.)

Then J-Mac wows the crowd by revealing that he doesn't believe that the soul is immortal.  KF reminds him, "JM, you raise an old debate. Though this is not a thread about theology much less exegesis, and this blog is not about theology, it is worth a pause to give some balance. In C1, the Sadducees and Pharisees had disputes on the matter:" and goes on with a bit of exegesis and theology, complete with Bible quotes.

J-Mac replies with  
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True… which you and many others have never been able to to provide sound and logical evidence for your calims to be true…

You claims insult the God of justice but that is not my judgment… thank God…

Have a nice life!
, thus keeping his entry alive in the "I'm a bigger asshole than Mung" contest.

This leads KF to haul out the heavy heavenly artillery and reply with a big fat

        LEWONTIN!

Then .... Holy Shit!  It's the J-Mac quote that started this whole thing:

 
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18 J-Mac December 15, 2017 at 3:53 pm

KF,

I like you…I mean it…
You remind me of me when I couldn’t see through my blindness…

BTW: Would you burn your kids alive, if they disobeyed you?


I seem to have completely mis-understood this this thread, which is still more evidence that Darwin's edifice is crumbling under ID's relentless attack.  Mea culpa!

J-Mac goes on with, "Kf can’t answer this challenge @18 because it violates the the very principles of his real faith…", KF replies with, "JM, have you stopped beating your wife?" and goes on to soar to intellectual heights only attainable by someone who has spent a LOT of time standing out in the tropical sun:  
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PS: While again this is not a theology forum or thread, it seems a balancing pointer or two will be helpful for those inclined to follow up seriously in appropriate fora. If you are making a twisted and somewhat erroneous Internet gnu atheist style allusion to OT law against incorrigible juvenile delinquents [in an era without police forces etc], you should know that OT case law and civil codes or ceremonial rules and traditions have been understood for 2,000 years as not relevant. Kindly read the report of the AD 49 Jerusalem Council in Ac 15, and note how it affects Alfred’s Book of Dooms — a significant root of the common law tradition. Note too how the decalogue is understood i/l/o the neighbour love principle in say Rom 13:8 – 10.

PPS: Kindly, read the OP to see what is focal for this thread. False accusations running amok can easily destroy reputations, careers, families, lives. The current one on sexual harassment claims for example seems to have had at least two suicides so far, both apparently of men who despaired of being able to defend their innocence in a climate of multiple unsupported accusation is tantamount to proof. The Wiki case that has been headlined above, shows how incorrigible malice can come to dominate a major reference institution that millions naively turn to for what they imagine is a credible account. I hope we don’t end up with someone feeling he has nothing left to lose and applying rule 303 to journalists, but that is a predictable consequence of weaponised accusations run amok. Of course, should that happen, it will lead to doubling down. Yet another sign of how our civilisation is heading over the cliff in a march of utterly ruinous folly.

PPPS: Running off on irrelevant tangents and attempted thread-jacking through such, is a sign of trollishness. UD’s management has a short way with trolls. There is enough of substance to discuss within UD’s ambit without resort to atmosphere poisoning tactics. I also add that in my present condition and with the things on my table locally, I do not have a lot of time or energy to spend on moderating threads.


The thread just gets better from there, with insults, invitations to leave the thread issued to J-Mac, a recapitulation of the whole Wiki vs N.W.E. affair, a visit from rvb8 with quotations from Phillip E. Johnson on what ID really is and much, much more.

I'd quote some more, but I have to go and repent now.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 16 2017,13:11   

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you should know that OT case law and civil codes or ceremonial rules and traditions have been understood for 2,000 years as not relevant.


Except, you know, the parts he likes in Leviticus.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 16 2017,13:57   

If anybody is wondering what KF means by this:  
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I hope we don’t end up with someone feeling he has nothing left to lose and applying rule 303 to journalists, but that is a predictable consequence of weaponised accusations run amok. 
it's a reference to the 303 caliber Lee-Enfield rifle used by British and commonwealth forces in WWII.

"Paranoia strikes deep.... into your heart it will creep"  For What It's Worth - Buffalo Springfield

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 16 2017,16:00   

Quote (CeilingCat @ Dec. 16 2017,13:57)
If anybody is wondering what KF means by this:    
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I hope we don’t end up with someone feeling he has nothing left to lose and applying rule 303 to journalists, but that is a predictable consequence of weaponised accusations run amok. 
it's a reference to the 303 caliber Lee-Enfield rifle used by British and commonwealth forces in WWII.

"Paranoia strikes deep.... into your heart it will creep"  For What It's Worth - Buffalo Springfield

I was watching a documentary on the ranting of Charles Manson at the same time I was reading that thread. The similarity between The rants of Manson and KF is scary. They both firmly believe that their word views are correct, and that serious action must be taken to get us back on course. I’m glad I don’t live on Montserrat.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 16 2017,17:16   

LEWONTIN again in #35.  That's four so far in this thread.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 16 2017,18:52   

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LEWONTIN again in #35.  That's four so far in this thread.

Does four-of-a-kind beat a hand of two DAWKINS and three ALINSKYs?

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 16 2017,19:30   

Only if it's in the cards?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 16 2017,20:23   

Quote (Henry J @ Dec. 16 2017,17:30)
Only if it's in the cards?

What an Ace!

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All women build up a resistance [to male condescension]. Apparently, ID did not predict that. -Kristine 4-19-11
F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11
Sigh. Really Bill? - Barry Arrington

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 16 2017,23:43   

Quote (paragwinn @ Dec. 16 2017,20:23)
Quote (Henry J @ Dec. 16 2017,17:30)
Only if it's in the cards?

What an Ace!

Does anyone think KF knows Jack about cards?

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2017,02:18   

Another LEWONTIN in #40.  That's five in this thread.  A record?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2017,10:16   

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Correcting Wikipedia on ID
December 17, 2017 Posted by kairosfocus under agit-prop, opinion manipulation and well-poisoning games, Atheism, Darwinist rhetorical tactics, Design inference, Evolutionary materialism's amorality, Functionally Specified Complex Information & Organization, knowledge, Politics/policy and origins issues, Science, worldview issues/foundations and society, Selective Hyperskepticism
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...the FreeMasons, the Jews, Major League Baseball...

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2017,10:30   

Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 17 2017,10:16)
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Correcting Wikipedia on ID
December 17, 2017 Posted by kairosfocus under agit-prop, opinion manipulation and well-poisoning games, Atheism, Darwinist rhetorical tactics, Design inference, Evolutionary materialism's amorality, Functionally Specified Complex Information & Organization, knowledge, Politics/policy and origins issues, Science, worldview issues/foundations and society, Selective Hyperskepticism
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...the FreeMasons, the Jews, Major League Baseball...

The Queen, the Vatican, the Gettys, the Rothschilds...and Colonel Sanders before he went tits up!

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2017,10:49   

Quote (Texas Teach @ Dec. 16 2017,22:43)
Quote (paragwinn @ Dec. 16 2017,20:23)
Quote (Henry J @ Dec. 16 2017,17:30)
Only if it's in the cards?

What an Ace!

Does anyone think KF knows Jack about cards?

Yeah, what's that guy's deal.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2017,12:12   

Quote (Texas Teach @ Dec. 17 2017,08:30)
and Colonel Sanders before he went tits up!

That's just what the Illuminati want you to think.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2017,14:31   

Quote (Henry J @ Dec. 17 2017,08:49)
 
Quote (Texas Teach @ Dec. 16 2017,22:43)
 
Quote (paragwinn @ Dec. 16 2017,20:23)
   
Quote (Henry J @ Dec. 16 2017,17:30)
Only if it's in the cards?

What an Ace!

Does anyone think KF knows Jack about cards?

Yeah, what's that guy's deal.

Whatever it is, it doesn't involve a full deck.

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All women build up a resistance [to male condescension]. Apparently, ID did not predict that. -Kristine 4-19-11
F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11
Sigh. Really Bill? - Barry Arrington

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2017,14:36   

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mikeendersDecember 15, 2017 at 2:27 pm
“Yes, and as an example of His omniscience, God knows every digit in the decimal expansion of ?. I don’t know how ME or anyone could deny that implies God is infinite.”

Its actually quite easy Dave…when you stop thinking of it in human terms. God does not access a knowledge of decimal expansion of anything. He determines what it is.

there are no infinite possibilities “out there”. there are no possibilities till he determines them. KF is wrong. God can create a square circle if he wishes. there are no inherently contradictory core characteristics with it because God determines whats inherent to ANY construct.

If tomorrow God determines that a square is a circle then that will be what it is (even if it requires several more dimensions). God is a Spirit – shape , size dimensions. angles (all which determine whats a circle and whats a square) are all his creations that he created by command where none existed before. So he solely determines the bounds of contradictions because he is the only true bound.

Is very hard for us to grasp a being that completely exists to himself and from which ALL things flow including knowledge, time and physical dimensions. We are used to and surrounded by things that are not ours that we have to access or modify or that hinder us.

So God is not sitting in heaven accessing an infinite storage of the expansion of any human mathematical term so he can give you an answer he draws from his memory. He is above and beyond that. he’ll tell you once what it is and that will be what it is.

This is what the old theologians used to understand of God in the word Sovereign. Nothing exists outside of himself and his decree not even the placement of a decimal

God IS limited……. by and to himself. he will never go outside of himself, think a different thought that is not not his, learn anything new. he will never access any more power than he already has because power does not exist that he does not now already hold. he cannot lie, he cannot become evil and he cannot change – all limits but great ones to have.

To put it more succinctly God does not possess infinite power. He is power. The only power that ultimately exists. So its meaningless to talk about infinitely powerful when there is only one power and its defined by the authority of one entity. Its not meaningless to say all powerful because it highlights he has it all – no one else has any real power.

God is all about authority and all authority is not infinite. its set at one unchangeable constant – all.


they're sciencing SO HARD at UD these days.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2017,16:45   

Quote (paragwinn @ Dec. 17 2017,14:31)
 
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Only if it's in the cards?

What an Ace!

Does anyone think KF knows Jack about cards?

Yeah, what's that guy's deal.

Whatever it is, it doesn't involve a full deck.

I think he's holding Mr Leathers the Shoemaker and the Old Maid

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2017,21:33   

Quote (KevinB @ Dec. 18 2017,00:45)
Quote (paragwinn @ Dec. 17 2017,14:31)
 
Quote (Henry J @ Dec. 17 2017,08:49)
     
Quote (Texas Teach @ Dec. 16 2017,22:43)
     
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Only if it's in the cards?

What an Ace!

Does anyone think KF knows Jack about cards?

Yeah, what's that guy's deal.

Whatever it is, it doesn't involve a full deck.

I think he's holding Mr Leathers the Shoemaker and the Old Maid

I think he's bluffing with a pair of Jokers.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2017,23:21   

The Manjack Heights Mauler is off on another rant.

Correcting Wiki on ID

The Abu 6500 C3 fishing reel is the lead story of course.   :)

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 18 2017,07:21   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 18 2017,07:21)
The Manjack Heights Mauler is off on another rant.

Correcting Wiki on ID

The Abu 6500 C3 fishing reel is the lead story of course.   :)

Rant? That's not a rant, it's an opera! He's like the Gaulin of fishing reels.
Dear JC on a Seadoo he's dealing with some serious demons.
Can someone please tell KF you don't fish with a diagram ffs. If you really want one just put your hand in your pathetically shallow pockets and just buy it. Besides my ancient Penn baitcaster has probably caught more decent Mangroves Jacks than he's ever dreamed of. Look at the shiny expensive luxury consumer product and therefore desirable to a third world inhabitant so "therefore god exists" has to be the stupidest argument for the existence of a bronze age deity yet.
Gordo should spend more time with a worm on the end of his rod instead of worming away on a keyboard. What a hopeless waste fishing time.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 18 2017,11:22   

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I'll give it just enough thought to reject the idea.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 18 2017,12:15   

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If you are a member of that community and have enjoyed our services this year, please consider a year-end donation to help defray our costs of operation.  We run on a shoe-string budget (just ask our pathetically underpaid but nevertheless intrepid and indefatigable News Desk), but we do have expenses.

Please click on that “Donate” button.  UD is a 501©(3) organization and gifts are tax deductible in the US.



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All the qualification from "ally..." is superfluous.

  
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