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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2007,15:40   

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2007,16:13   

Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Nov. 14 2007,13:38)
 
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Nov. 14 2007,09:43)
well, the picture is by TroutMac so if it's deeply dishonest then he's happy to go along with it.

Ironically, the mousetrap (labeled IC) that Behe is holding in that picture is broken. LOL.

Yeah, well, didn't someone at UD recently lament the folly of trying to improve on nature ('s moustraps)?

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2007,16:26   

I've observed that the smathematiciannakeoilsalesman, idautodidactiot and hjournalistack generating most of the aposcholarshiplogetics and fresearchiction (conducted in closecretlabssets) supporting the ciscientificmovementrcus known as ibuncod have forgone phony flipeereditedmflam volumes and otherwise pretending to do rscienceligion, or even advocating "deteachthecontroversyception," and have more or less admitted the identity of the gintelligentdesignerod.

Too bad.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2007,18:26   

I enjoyed the interview with Phillip Johnson. I agree, though, that they really dropped the ball by not including DaveScot. (If only he had been at the Dover school board meeting, he would have shut down any talk of Jesus right quick!)

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2007,18:42   

I wonder if anyone here knows just what Nova's "normal journalistic conditions" happen to be?  

Just curious. It would be interesting to know what the DI fellas were demanding, as well.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2007,18:49   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Nov. 14 2007,19:42)
I wonder if anyone here knows just what Nova's "normal journalistic conditions" happen to be?  

Just curious. It would be interesting to know what the DI fellas were demanding, as well.

I saw an answer to that somewhere today, but I can't remember the specifics or where I saw them.  The truth is out there, Bill.

X-files reference notwithstanding, seems like it had something to do with the DI not being happy that they wouldn't be allowed to use the footage for nefarious purposes including, but not limited to fart videos.

:)

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2007,19:08   

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Best transitional word EVAH.
F'ing great.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2007,19:54   

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2007,21:40   

http://discussions.pbs.org/search.....tart=45

One can pull up all of a usernames posts
on one thread.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2007,02:42   

Quote (Assassinator @ Nov. 14 2007,17:39)
Thanks Louis :P Btw, pretty randomn sentences you know :D Mijn (Mein is German) geschlachtsorganen doet pijn." = My genitals hurt. And "Stoned als een garnaal" = Stoned like a schrimp. I live in the middle of Holland, in the south-western tip of a province called Gelderland.
And yea I hate labs, at least what I have to do in labs with my Bio-Informatics study. What do you have to do in labs then?

Can't wait for it to come online, it sure sounds hilarious :P

LOL Like I said I don't really know any useful Dutch (apart from "thank you", and given my terrible spelling last time I'm not even attempting aufstubleift....damn!). Those phrases are poorly remembered from an Amsterdam trip (with a Dutch friend who thought they were hilarious to teach to English people) over a decade ago. And I speak/write German a good bit, so that might explain my misuse of "mein/mijn" etc. Oh well!

What labs? I work in a synthetic chemistry lab (well increasingly I work in my office, but I'm fighting the man! They'll get my round bottom flask when they pry it from my cold, dead hands! ;-) ).

I love lab work. It's the forefront of research for me. Sure I love reading the journals and developing research ideas and liasing with other scientists from other disciplines in other departments (which a lot of my work entails), all of which are essential to progress a project, but nothing beats getting into the lab and working to get new results yourself. There is no feeling in the world that comes close to getting a good result after (often years of) hard graft. The realisation that after trying very very hard you've got a quick peek up Mother Nature's Skirt is very fulfilling!

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2007,02:51   

And just to keep in with Bill's excellent work:

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Ok that's enough.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2007,09:28   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 15 2007,07:59)
Quote (hereoisreal @ Nov. 15 2007,08:48)
http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?t=87204

Zero

Zero, the thread you point to is just your incoherent ramblings, then questions about its relevance, then you pointing to your webpage which apparently also has nothing to do with this discussion.

As such, it seems to be nothing more than spam advertising for your website.

Please demonstrate the relevance of that link to this discussion, or refrain from posting such things outside your thread.

Thanks,
Lou

Hey zero I'll level with you and in good faith.  Your posts about numerology make you look mentally ill.  If that's your objective then consider yourself a success.  

Every now and then you *appear* to posess some intelligence but it's difficult to give you the benefit of the doubt when the majority of your comments suggest a mental problem exists, or at the very least a significant lack of judgement and very poor social skills.  Your posts are virtually NEVER on topic.  And if you haven't noticed not a single person here pays any attention to your numerology, they make fun of you instead.

That said you seem like a decent enough chap and you don't have to accept evolution (or reality for that matter) to post here but you could actually become a valued contributing participant if you'd knock of the links to your site and post your numerology on other sites where people might actually care and/or have an interest in them.

Posting comments that are *on topic* would be a great place to start.  Feel free to keep posting your ideas on numerology in the "zero ressurected.." thread but keep in mind such mindless comments only support the notion that you have a serious mental problem.

Or you can continue to portray yourself as someone who's ill and in need of help.  The choice is yours.

Cheers!

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2007,10:28   

By the way, if you really do like numerology you should try Crowley and kabbala. It's just more fun.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2007,11:30   

This comment has been removed by PM request of the author, EoRaptor. -- Lou

Edited by Lou FCD on Nov. 15 2007,13:17

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2007,11:44   

Indeed, let's try to get this thread back on track.

It's beginning to wander afield again.

Don't we have an old thread on child-rearing or something?  I seem to recall we did, and EoRaptor's experience would certainly provide an interesting point of view in such a thread.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2007,11:45   

Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 13 2007,19:37)
They showed a clip from some Discovery Institute DVD. While the DI voice over talks about scientists doing research, the DVD shows Michael Behe in a lab coat, which should make anyone chuckle, and Stephen Meyer giving in a lecture.

One hard thing for anyone who moderates here is, the only approprate response to that is "Fucking lying bastards." yet we need to not have that kind of intemperate speech around here.

Good luck Lou. :p

The DI whiners are complaining that the PBS show was 'lying' because they really sent the DVD version of 'Icons...' not Unlocking...  Because that is just a great big lie!

But I got a chuckle out of seeing Meyer in that clip as the DNA narrator was talking about scientific research....

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2007,12:43   

Casey Luskin refines his whining about Judgement Day, at http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007....ml#more

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Paula Apsells Lessons Not Learned from the History of Science

Paula Apsell was the executive producer of PBS/NOVAs Judgment Day: Intelligent Design documentary, which tries to inaccurately paint ID as a creationist idea that has been refuted by science. But in fact, a few years ago Ms. Apsell produced a different NOVA documentary entitled Mystery of the Megaflood.

For a geologist like me, its a fascinating tale about how mainstream geologists took decades to accept that the view giant post-glacial flood was responsible for much of the bizarre geological features found in eastern Washington. According to Apsells Megaflood documentary, a geologist in the early 1900s named J. Harlen Bretz proposed a catastrophic local flood theory to explain this geology.

Bretz was ridiculed by his contemporary geologists because his ideas reminded them of a creationist Biblical global flood. The documentary says that Bretz challenged the orthodox view and was labeled as promoting creationist heresy that defied all scientific convention. Of course, Bretzs theory was not a creationist explanation. He did not propose a global floodhe simply proposed that a localized post-glacial flood in eastern Washington caused the geological features he observed. But his critics used the creationist label to oppose his views as unacceptable. That is, until the evidence won out.

About 100 years later, Bretzs view has been vindicated and because the evidence won out over false accusations that he was promoting creationism. Does this story sound familiar? Paula Apsells Judgment Day documentary does to ID precisely what Bretzs contemporaries did to him: it tries to marginalize ID with false claims that it is creationism and makes fallacious claims that ID has been scientifically refuted. Emboldened by the misguided opinion of one federal judge, Apsell labels ID as creationist heresy.

Perhaps Apsell should review her own Megaflood documentary and take a lesson from history: 100 years from now, after IDs scientific revolution is complete, Paula Apsells Judgment Day documentary may be shown in high school science classrooms studying ID to warn students not to wrongly label powerful scientific ideas as creationist heresy simply because they challenge the orthodox scientific view.

Casey might find it instructive to pursue this comparison just a little farther to learn the lessons from the J Harlan Bretz affair (that's J no period Harlan Bretz).  In 1923, when Bretz first published, geologists had spent the previous hundred years and more crawling out from under the wreckage of bible-based geology, and thus had excessive aversion to anything that hinted even slightly of gigantic floods and other biblical megacatastrophes.  It is true that most geologists' aversion was excessive, and blinded them to Bretz's correct interpretation of the channeled scablands.

However, here is where the story becomes instructive for ID and points them up as being ignorant in the ways of science and uninterested in research.

In 1927, a huge discussion about the Channeled Scablands was arranged at the Geologiical Society of America.  Most people disagreed with Bretz.  Following that, Bretz (and a USGS colleague, J.T. Pardee) continued working in the Channeled Scablands, collecting data to make their case.  In the late 60's enough convincing evidence had been found  that Bretz's interpretation became accepted.  In 1979 (two years before he died), the Geological Society of America awarded Bretz its Penrose Medal, which is at worst one of the top two awards in Geology (we don't have Nobel prizes in our field, but the Geological Society of London offers an more or less equally prestigious award.)

So the take-home message is that if the scientific mainstream rejects your ideas unfairly, you should go out and do the research and obtain the evidence that will convince them.

It is additionally worth pointing out that in the 1920's Bretz's evidence was not as convincing as it was later, and did not fit comfortably into the knowledge base of the time concerning ice age events in the Pacific Northwest (some advances in the 1950's and 1960's made Bretz's story much more plausible).  Most notably, Bretz did not launch a nationwide crusade to have his ideas taught in high school classes.  He never called on processes for which there was absolutely no evidence, and he insisted on evidence-based discussion.  As far as I recall from his papers, he never once misrepresented the arguments of the opposing side.

Also, geologists were worried that Bretz's ideas were Catastrophist, not Creationist.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2007,12:54   

Quote (N.Wells @ Nov. 15 2007,12:43)
Casey Luskin refines his whining about Judgement Day, at http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007....ml#more

 
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Paula Apsells Lessons Not Learned from the History of Science

Paula Apsell was the executive producer of PBS/NOVAs Judgment Day: Intelligent Design documentary, which tries to inaccurately paint ID as a creationist idea that has been refuted by science. But in fact, a few years ago Ms. Apsell produced a different NOVA documentary entitled Mystery of the Megaflood.

For a geologist like me, its a fascinating tale about how mainstream geologists took decades to accept that the view giant post-glacial flood was responsible for much of the bizarre geological features found in eastern Washington. According to Apsells Megaflood documentary, a geologist in the early 1900s named J. Harlen Bretz proposed a catastrophic local flood theory to explain this geology.

Bretz was ridiculed by his contemporary geologists because his ideas reminded them of a creationist Biblical global flood. The documentary says that Bretz challenged the orthodox view and was labeled as promoting creationist heresy that defied all scientific convention. Of course, Bretzs theory was not a creationist explanation. He did not propose a global floodhe simply proposed that a localized post-glacial flood in eastern Washington caused the geological features he observed. But his critics used the creationist label to oppose his views as unacceptable. That is, until the evidence won out.

About 100 years later, Bretzs view has been vindicated and because the evidence won out over false accusations that he was promoting creationism. Does this story sound familiar? Paula Apsells Judgment Day documentary does to ID precisely what Bretzs contemporaries did to him: it tries to marginalize ID with false claims that it is creationism and makes fallacious claims that ID has been scientifically refuted. Emboldened by the misguided opinion of one federal judge, Apsell labels ID as creationist heresy.

Perhaps Apsell should review her own Megaflood documentary and take a lesson from history: 100 years from now, after IDs scientific revolution is complete, Paula Apsells Judgment Day documentary may be shown in high school science classrooms studying ID to warn students not to wrongly label powerful scientific ideas as creationist heresy simply because they challenge the orthodox scientific view.

Casey might find it instructive to pursue this comparison just a little farther to learn the lessons from the J Harlan Bretz affair (that's J no period Harlan Bretz). In 1923, when Bretz first published, geologists had spent the previous hundred years and more crawling out from under the wreckage of bible-based geology, and thus had excessive aversion to anything that hinted even slightly of gigantic floods and other biblical megacatastrophes. It is true that most geologists' aversion was excessive, and blinded them to Bretz's correct interpretation of the channeled scablands.

However, here is where the story becomes instructive for ID and points them up as being ignorant in the ways of science and uninterested in research.

In 1927, a huge discussion about the Channeled Scablands was arranged at the Geologiical Society of America. Most people disagreed with Bretz. Following that, Bretz (and a USGS colleague, J.T. Pardee) continued working in the Channeled Scablands, collecting data to make their case. In the late 60's enough convincing evidence had been found that Bretz's interpretation became accepted. In 1979 (two years before he died), the Geological Society of America awarded Bretz its Penrose Medal, which is at worst one of the top two awards in Geology (we don't have Nobel prizes in our field, but the Geological Society of London offers an more or less equally prestigious award.)

So the take-home message is that if the scientific mainstream rejects your ideas unfairly, you should go out and do the research and obtain the evidence that will convince them.

It is additionally worth pointing out that in the 1920's Bretz's evidence was not as convincing as it was later, and did not fit comfortably into the knowledge base of the time concerning ice age events in the Pacific Northwest (some advances in the 1950's and 1960's made Bretz's story much more plausible). Most notably, Bretz did not launch a nationwide crusade to have his ideas taught in high school classes. He never called on processes for which there was absolutely no evidence, and he insisted on evidence-based discussion. As far as I recall from his papers, he never once misrepresented the arguments of the opposing side.

Also, geologists were worried that Bretz's ideas were Catastrophist, not Creationist.

What you are trying to say then, is that Bretz, through his own words and actions proves that he would not have a chance in hell to be successful in the Exciting World Of ID Theory.

I think Casey has this lesson down.  

He is such a LLuskiniar!

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2007,13:17   

This was on the PBS Blog from a Chip W:

"The court can rule however it wants.
I'm sure I speak for many Christians when I say: I know the answers; I'm not interested in the truth."


This is to be a joke....this is just to good.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2007,15:22   

Damn, that PBS Forum has some quality Clueless Newbie-grade Tard going on.

Hopefully some of them *cough*Dedicatedstudent*cough* will eventually get tired of getting spanked and make the move to UD where they can learn from the masters and provide us with some Industrial Grade Tard.

The PBS Forum would benefit greatly from a Joe G. appearance...

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2007,15:31   

You know he'd only be murdered by an amnesiac.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2007,16:35   

Hey, this wouldn't be Buckingham, would it?
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Id is not science, it's fact. Why do you keep slamming creationists? You are lost in need of a savior. Try Jesus!

Linky :D

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2007,16:53   

Quote (Kristine @ Nov. 15 2007,16:35)
Hey, this wouldn't be Buckingham, would it?
 
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Id is not science, it's fact. Why do you keep slamming creationists? You are lost in need of a savior. Try Jesus!

Linky :D

Hmmm... there's a poster there with the nick "Truthisfree" whose name - according to his sig - is Rany Buckingham. Any relation?

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2007,19:42   

I've put up three pictures out of the batch I took at the 2007 Dover reunion here.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,00:32   

cdesign proponentsists gear thread

First up:



I have some ideas that I'm working on. If anyone wants to contribute an idea for me to implement, go ahead and mention it here.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,06:32   

Mr. Christopher posted this in a new thread, but as it sort of pertains to Judgment Day as well, I'll cross post it here:

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Sorry if this has already been posted but I just now stumbled upon it via a Google Alert.  It's good reading.  There are links to other great articles.  FtK will have a ball!


Documentary Explores Key Case on 'Intelligent Design'

The PBS series NOVA airs a documentary Tuesday about a 2005 landmark Pennsylvania court case that found it unconstitutional for schools to teach "intelligent design" as an alternate theory to evolution. The judge who decided the case reflects the legal battle.


I liked this from the interview:

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JEFFREY BROWN: This was a case, though, that did receive so much attention. And you yourself, I understand, received death threats. How is it like personally to be so involved?

JOHN E. JONES III: Very surprising. And you'll hear me say in the documentary tonight that, if you had told me that in an establishment clause case I'd get death threats, I would have been surprised, but you never know.

And, indeed, I did have marshal protection after the case, which was kind of disappointing, given the nature of the case, but it was very, very hotly contested and very controversial. It still is. There are people lined up on both sides of this issue.

A significant number of Americans, if you poll, believe that creationism ought to be taught, either supplanting evolution or alongside of evolution. And, again, you ask how the judiciary works. We protect against the tyranny of the majority.

JEFFREY BROWN: The tyranny of the majority?

JOHN E. JONES III: We don't follow public opinion polls. We are countermajoritarian. We rule as according to the law and the Constitution, which means that, just like Brown v. Board of Education -- you know, you can go back in history -- sometimes we render opinions that in their time are very unpopular, but that's the nature of Article III of the United States Constitution.


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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,06:44   

"Topic too hot for WKNO"

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To viewer David O. Hill, 67, a retired FedEx pilot, the WKNO decision was like refusing to show a Civil War broadcast for fear it would offend some Southerners or a broadcast about Nazi atrocities in World War II "for fear it would offend some Germans in the viewing audience."

"I'm a supporter of and love this station. I really appreciate what service they do, but when they step out of line like this it violates the whole premise of what NPR and PBS stand for nationally ... This was an historical review of an important judicial decision in America, and they chose not to do it."

Hill's education and background also factored into his reaction. An ornithologist, he said he was trained as a biologist.

"Evolution is as important a building block to biology as atomic theory is to chemistry and gravitation to physics. I can believe in the Easter Bunny or the Loch Ness monster more easily than that the universe is only 6,000 years old."


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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,07:14   

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"Topic too hot for WKNO"

 
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To viewer David O. Hill, 67, a retired FedEx pilot, the WKNO decision was like refusing to show a Civil War broadcast for fear it would offend some Southerners or a broadcast about Nazi atrocities in World War II "for fear it would offend some Germans in the viewing audience."

"I'm a supporter of and love this station. I really appreciate what service they do, but when they step out of line like this it violates the whole premise of what NPR and PBS stand for nationally ... This was an historical review of an important judicial decision in America, and they chose not to do it."

Hill's education and background also factored into his reaction. An ornithologist, he said he was trained as a biologist.

"Evolution is as important a building block to biology as atomic theory is to chemistry and gravitation to physics. I can believe in the Easter Bunny or the Loch Ness monster more easily than that the universe is only 6,000 years old."

What's really disappointing about that attitude is that it's exactly the same attitude that's got us here in the first place.  Even if the IDCH can't ever manage to get itself into public schools again, disguised in any tuxedo, what it has done is to make enough of a fuss that evolution is avoided in high school biology classes like the plague.

If students aren't taught how science, specifically biological evolution, works, they are then open to the IDCH BS and the cycle continues, the war never ends.

It's important that in our battle to keep the religious fantasy out of the classroom, we not forget to fight to get actual education back into the classroom, and not simply leave a vacuum.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,07:15   

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"Topic too hot for WKNO"

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To viewer David O. Hill, 67, a retired FedEx pilot, the WKNO decision was like refusing to show a Civil War broadcast for fear it would offend some Southerners or a broadcast about Nazi atrocities in World War II "for fear it would offend some Germans in the viewing audience."

"I'm a supporter of and love this station. I really appreciate what service they do, but when they step out of line like this it violates the whole premise of what NPR and PBS stand for nationally ... This was an historical review of an important judicial decision in America, and they chose not to do it."

Hill's education and background also factored into his reaction. An ornithologist, he said he was trained as a biologist.

"Evolution is as important a building block to biology as atomic theory is to chemistry and gravitation to physics. I can believe in the Easter Bunny or the Loch Ness monster more easily than that the universe is only 6,000 years old."

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,08:31   

It must be Friday... Joe G has made an appearance at the PBS Forum.

This is gonna be great!

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