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stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2006,05:29    Quote Updated: 10:25 a.m. ET Feb. 4, 2006 DAMASCUS, Syria - Hundreds of Syrian demonstrators set the Danish embassy on fire on Saturday to protest the printing by a Danish newspaper of cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed, a Reuters witness said. The fire badly damaged the embassy’s building and fire engines went to the scene. Protestors also threw stones at the building shattering its windows. msnbc story nice bit from the NYT I had to add: Quote "We will not accept less than severing the heads of those responsible," one preacher at the al-Omari mosque here told worshippers during Friday prayers, according to wire service reports.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2006,07:25    Update: also the Norwegian embassy, btw.

PuckSR Posts: 314 Joined: Nov. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2006,07:38    Hey....dont lump them in with other religious, fundamentalist, "OUR AGENDA IS MOST IMPORTANT" people like Christian Fundamentalists. These guys are just really upset about another article that appeared on page 7 of the same paper about red being the new black. Oh and besides, Christians have a long history of enjoying satire.  They had a great sense of humor about the whole Spanish Inquisition.  If you could have been there at the Salem witch trials....it was a laugh a minute. Come on....did you really think the IDists believe their own story.  They are just waiting for the right time to yell "gotcha".

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2006,07:44    Did you mean to post that in another thread? Presumably it makes sense w/r/t some other discussion.

PuckSR Posts: 314 Joined: Nov. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2006,08:41    nah....that was just a little joke about religion.... it was meant to be a lighthearted comment on the current cultural divide between the middle east and the west. I really dont know how else to approach the situation...it is humurous.  Countries like Jordan cannot understand why Denmark is not capable of censoring media.  Denmark cannot understand why Jordan cannot understand this. I was simply remarking on the fact that despite what is perceived as a vast difference between Muslim and Christian ideology....they have several similiarities...especially when comparing fundamentalists of both faiths.  As a general rule, fundamentalists lack the ability to understand the necessary evil of things like "freedom of the press". Sorry if the joke was in bad taste I have been following this story for awhile, and I think it portrays the difficulties of having a freely democratic theocracy.  Or, for that matter, any strongly religiously motivated ideas in government. I imagine that is why you posted it into this forum...because of the obvious statements it makes in regards to the ID movement. Once again Steve...sorry if it wasnt relevant...I hadnt had my coffee yet

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2006,09:56    The problem with Islamic countries is they are nearly all theocracies. The idiots see a newspaper cartoon as depicting government thinking. The rubes have no sense of freedom for the press. But why should they? It must be hard to understand something you have never experienced.

tiredofthesos Posts: 59 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2006,12:26    It's more like the anti=Japanese riots in China, where the government obviously believes, and therefore allows, violence if it is directed in what it believes is a "beneficial" political direction.  If these folk had tried even a peaceful protest about issues they really cared about, they would have been instantly suppressed.  It's dictatorships that are the real problem, and that they take the form of "theocracies" (in Iran, but not actually in Syria, by the way) is really irrelevant.  Bu--sh-- Co. here similarly believes any protest deserves suppression, but is currently tied down due to this not being a dictatorship, whatever his dreams of being able to unlease minions of "Wikersham brothers" without penalty.

Chris Hyland Posts: 705 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2006,14:09    A great quote from Stewart Lee, creator of Jerry Springer The Opera: Quote In the West, Christianity relinquished the right to be protective of its icons the day Virgin Mary snow globes were put up for sale at the Vatican. I found that cartoon unfunny offensive and in bad taste, but i couldnt imagine living in a place where that kind of thing was censored. Then i remembered that Tony Blair is trying to pass a law that will make mocking religion illegal. Although i hope the dont take advice on the punishment from the people in this story otherwise im in big trouble.

PuckSR Posts: 314 Joined: Nov. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2006,17:59    Syria is not a theocracy....but almost all of the middle eastern countries have theocratic overtones.  Almost like George Bush, he may not be a religious leader.....but he knows that he has to cater to the religious voters if he hopes to do anything.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2006,05:49    It's not just people living in theocracies. MSNBC found a bunch of American muslims who think the cartoon should be illegal. US Muslims React With Tempered Anger

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2006,06:01    Quote (Stephen Elliott @ Feb. 04 2006,15:56) The problem with Islamic countries is they are nearly all theocracies. Not really. Most of them are actually secular dictatorships or quasi-dictatorships (Egypt, Morocco, Algeria, Syria, Pakistan, Indonesia, pre-war Iraq). There are only a couple outright theocracies, if you define theocracy as a country where the entire government mandates religion (Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Iran). But as has been pointed out, they're secular with massive religious overtones, more than any modern Western country experiences, where mostly the government uses religion as an outlet to keep the public from rebelling about anything important. But I agree, a lot of this might be an inability to grasp the fact that the governments of the European countries can't be behind this, that this is just private citizens doing things that offend them. Except of course, they found some American Muslims who are pissed off too, and presumably Americans would be able to see this concept. So a lot of it just seems to be herd mentality coupled with an intolerance of anyone badmouthing your religion that would have been normal in the West say, 500 years ago. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2006,09:25    1--> Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Feb. 05 2006,121) [quote=Stephen Elliott,Feb. 04 2006,15:56]The problem with Islamic countries is they are nearly all theocracies. Not really. Most of them are actually secular dictatorships or quasi-dictatorships (Egypt, Morocco, Algeria, Syria, Pakistan, Indonesia, pre-war Iraq). There are only a couple outright theocracies, if you define theocracy as a country where the entire government mandates religion (Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Iran). But as has been pointed out, they're secular with massive religious overtones, more than any modern Western country experiences, where mostly the government uses religion as an outlet to keep the public from rebelling about anything important. But I agree, a lot of this might be an inability to grasp the fact that the governments of the European countries can't be behind this, that this is just private citizens doing things that offend them. Except of course, they found some American Muslims who are pissed off too, and presumably Americans would be able to see this concept. So a lot of it just seems to be herd mentality coupled with an intolerance of anyone badmouthing your religion that would have been normal in the West say, 500 years ago.[/quote] Fair points you are correct of course. I was too bland in my post. Instead of using theocracy, I should have stated that nearly all of them allow religion to play a large part in the law. I don't think even Saudi Arabia is technically a theocracy. Rather a dictatorship/monarchy that gives a lot of power to the religious movement. Pakistan is hard to call as it seems to have at least two forms of government. A military one for the majority of the country, but in the north at least, government seems to be by tribal councils. Afghanistan has a central secular government based in Kabul. Should you travel any distance away from there, local warlords tend to rule unchecked. Bahrain is fairly liberal but still has seperate rules for men and women. Not as many as most Arab countries but still present. Strangely enough Iraq under Saddam was probably one of the most lenient Islamic countries as far as womens rights are concerned. Of course it did have pretty harsh consequences for dissenters. Dubai is pretty liberal if you are a tourist in a hotel. I think things are somewhat different for a local person though. Well, that covers all the Islamic countries I have stayed in.

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2006,09:45    Just watched some news coverage of a demonstration in London. Some people carried placards demanding the cartoonists be beheaded. They should have been arrested IMO.

The Ghost of Paley Posts: 1703 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2006,11:43    Quote Just watched some news coverage of a demonstration in London. Some people carried placards demanding the cartoonists be beheaded. They should have been arrested IMO. Mr. Elliot, you have a good head on your shoulders, but your naivete does you in sometimes. The speech codes are not for immigrants, silly, they're for people like you. Heck, you're more likely to get in trouble for bitching about your guests's behavior than they are for the acts themselves. And as immigration policies continue, expect to wave bye-bye to many more liberties. The newcomers are so easily offended, you see, and it's important that we entirely reshape our culture so that they'll feel more at home (so they can then seek a new host). If recent atrocities like the Spanish Inquisition and Salem witch trials have taught us anything, it's that we have no moral compass and must allow the Religion of Peace to take us where it will. In other words, shut up and hand over your gun - in Neocon land everyone is equal - some perhaps a tad more than others ......and freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose. -------------- Dey can't 'andle my riddim.

Chris Hyland Posts: 705 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2006,12:37    Quote The speech codes are not for immigrants Although there's a good chance they weren't immigrants, or even the children of immigrants, you do have a point. Under UK law these people are excercising freedom of speech, but if I made a banner saying 'The people who said that the cartoonists should be beheaded should be beheaded', I am commiting an act of incitement to racial violence. Quote And as immigration policies continue, expect to wave bye-bye to many more liberties Unfortunately the immigrants are just scapegoats here. It helps if instead of thinking as the law being made to protect immigrants, the immigrants are just used as an excuse to enact the laws. I suspect we would have the same laws if there had been no immigration into Britain for a hundred years.

tiredofthesos Posts: 59 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2006,23:25    Hey, GoP!  Been expecting you here, since any bigot is always sure gets their cowardly kicks in, if they have a decent alias to post under. Or police protection and a hood.  Oh, and you ARE a bigot, and a racist, no matter how you attempt to squirt out the ink to cover you trail.

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2006,00:25    Quote (The Ghost of Paley @ Feb. 05 2006,17:43) Quote Just watched some news coverage of a demonstration in London. Some people carried placards demanding the cartoonists be beheaded. They should have been arrested IMO. Mr. Elliot, you have a good head on your shoulders, but your naivete does you in sometimes. The speech codes are not for immigrants, silly, they're for people like you. Heck, you're more likely to get in trouble for bitching about your guests's behavior than they are for the acts themselves. And as immigration policies continue, expect to wave bye-bye to many more liberties. The newcomers are so easily offended, you see, and it's important that we entirely reshape our culture so that they'll feel more at home (so they can then seek a new host). If recent atrocities like the Spanish Inquisition and Salem witch trials have taught us anything, it's that we have no moral compass and must allow the Religion of Peace to take us where it will. In other words, shut up and hand over your gun - in Neocon land everyone is equal - some perhaps a tad more than others ......and freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose. It does not apear to be recent imigrants that are saying these things. Rather the majority of the protestors seem to be 2nd or 3rd generation. I would accept that extremists make up only a small % of Muslims in the UK. But that % seems to be getting louder. Where I work in Slough, posters appeared all over town on the anniversary of the 9-11 atacks that praised the suicide bombers. That was not a pleasant sight. The banners and placards carried by protesters in London the other day should not be acceptable. It remains to be seen if the authorities will take any action. Whatever happens, it is worrying to think that 1000's of people were roaming the streets chanting death threats.

Renier Posts: 276 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2006,01:13    I am fairly anti-religion. This just once again reminds me why :-) Curious. How do the Brits feel about all the immigrants? A friend of mine in Holland says that the people there are fedup. It's very confusing. Once bunch wants to do all they can to help them (fight poverty), the other bunch wants them out of there. Something about national resources being consumed by all the immigrants. They are also complaining that in places like Rotterdam, where there are lots of emmigrants, the crime rates are very high, so the dutch are moving out of cities like Rotterdam. Over here is SA, we get LOADS of immigrants from Zimbabwe, Mosambique etc. Local people are complaining about it, since our own unemployment rate is high (VERY HIGH), they now have to contend with outsiders for jobs. On the other hand, Zim is down the drain, so what must the people do? Just thinking out loud....

Chris Hyland Posts: 705 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2006,01:56    As far as legal immigration goes, apart from in a few communities where immigrants do cause problems, most people in Britain do not have a problem, indeed in the long run the economy does benefit. As far as refugees and asylum seekers are concerned, the annoying thing is that Britiain should have very few, as according to the Geneva convention refugees should stop at the first safe country they come to. Our law however is such that it is very easy to stay in Britain once you have been refused asylum, and so a large number head here, and our European neighbours do everthing in their power to help them get here. Although in many cases of Islamic extremism (and I include the protesters with the banners under this description), the problem is caused by people who have been here for many generations, most of the problems in communities are caused by an influx of illegal immigrants.Even the racist fascist british national party will admit that most of the problems are caused by illegal immigrants due to government policy, as opposed to legal immigration, which is what they ussually claim.

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2006,01:58    Quote (Renier @ Feb. 06 2006,07:13) I am fairly anti-religion. This just once again reminds me why :-) Curious. How do the Brits feel about all the immigrants? A friend of mine in Holland says that the people there are fedup. It's very confusing. Once bunch wants to do all they can to help them (fight poverty), the other bunch wants them out of there. Something about national resources being consumed by all the immigrants. They are also complaining that in places like Rotterdam, where there are lots of emmigrants, the crime rates are very high, so the dutch are moving out of cities like Rotterdam. Over here is SA, we get LOADS of immigrants from Zimbabwe, Mosambique etc. Local people are complaining about it, since our own unemployment rate is high (VERY HIGH), they now have to contend with outsiders for jobs. On the other hand, Zim is down the drain, so what must the people do? Just thinking out loud.... I can only speak for myself. I do not mind immigrants at all. But I do object if people are comming to Britain and have no respect for our laws or society. We probably need people to come and work. But I feel the UK should have more control on who gets in. I was on a course a while back with a guy from Africa. He had worked in the UK for about 10 years and was worried he would not get to stay. While other people seem to have no problem, even though they do not contribute anything. That is crazy. We have had a case in the UK with a Muslim cleric preaching on the streets advocating intolerance, hatred and violence. His mosque banned him from preaching inside for being too radical. IIRC he is now in prison, being defended by lawyers paid for by tax money. Previously he was claiming state benefits. So we have been paying for this lunatic to move to the UK and preach hatred.

The Ghost of Paley Posts: 1703 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2006,03:52    Quote I do not mind immigrants at all. But I do object if people are comming to Britain and have no respect for our laws or society. We probably need people to come and work. But I feel the UK should have more control on who gets in. I was on a course a while back with a guy from Africa. He had worked in the UK for about 10 years and was worried he would not get to stay. While other people seem to have no problem, even though they do not contribute anything. That is crazy. Yeah, I've heard the same complaints from many recent immigrants. Hard working people from, say, Venezuela, get the shaft while M13 gang-bangers just walk in. By the way, it's nice to see that Dean has a new friend. Welcome to the board, "Tired".  Does anyone have an extra pacifier? -------------- Dey can't 'andle my riddim.

Mr_Christopher Posts: 1238 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2006,04:57    Well on a more "positive" note at least one of our embassies is not being burned for once... -------------- Uncommon Descent is a moral cesspool, a festering intellectual ghetto that intoxicates and degrades its inhabitants - Stephen Matheson

tiredofthesos Posts: 59 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2006,11:13    Two, GoP, one for each of your faces.

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2006,11:36    Quote (tiredofthesos @ Feb. 06 2006,05:25) Hey, GoP!  Been expecting you here, since any bigot is always sure gets their cowardly kicks in, if they have a decent alias to post under. Or police protection and a hood.  Oh, and you ARE a bigot, and a racist, no matter how you attempt to squirt out the ink to cover you trail. Please, If you post stuff like this, also post any evidence. I quite like some discussions with GOP. He is no idiot and has some good points (IMO). I may not agree with everything GOP says, but attacks without relevance are a bit off-putting.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2006,12:33    Quote (Stephen Elliott @ Feb. 06 2006,17:36) [quote=tiredofthesos,Feb. 06 2006,05:25]Hey, GoP!  Been expecting you here, since any bigot is always sure gets their cowardly kicks in, if they have a decent alias to post under. Or police protection and a hood.  Oh, and you ARE a bigot, and a racist, no matter how you attempt to squirt out the ink to cover you trail. Please, If you post stuff like this, also post any evidence. I don't know what tiredofthesos is alluding to, but there are, shall we say, disquieting indications that 'racist' might well be a fair description of GoP. The main occasion I know of where he didn't hide this real well was here: http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2005/12/saletan_on_id_t.html   (see message 62581, about halfway down) ...where he references a study from a couple of white supremacists, apparently in order to show that America's high crime rate has nothing to do with its high rate of Christianity, but due to its 'ethnic composition' See comment #62626 for a dissection of his source, two people behind American Renaissance, 'a white-supremacist magazine and website'. (GoP will probably protest that they're not 'white supremacists', but merely 'white nationalists'. He seems to think this is an important distinction.) So the racism charge is not groundless. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2006,12:55    Oh yes, and Dean Morrison also took GoP to the mat for it HERE: http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....7;st=10 I personally am not really impressed with his argument 'Jews are not a race, they're an ethnic group', so therefore hating Jews wouldn't be racism. Read it and judge for yourself. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

The Ghost of Paley Posts: 1703 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2006,14:33    Arden - Since you're so good at looking things up, then how could you possibly have missed the occasions where I pointed out that: 1) I do not believe in mental differences among the races 2) Dean Morrison is a blatant liar who has not justified any of his assertions 3) I'm the one who brought up Jared Taylor's background, and have been very open from the beginning. I have also welcomed all criticisms of his study. Ask Cogzoid, Eric Murphy, and Mr. Mahandi if you doubt me. Do I have to agree with someone before I can cite his work? If so, where does that leave science?  I can prove all of this, and will, if you subsequently concede your error. Frankly, this is beneath you, and I am embarrassed that a group of scientists and intellectuals would stoop to lies and character assassination. What's worse, you imply that I am antisemitic, which is beyond absurd - heck, even the Yenta hasn't raised that charge. Quote Oh yes, and Dean Morrison also took GoP to the mat for it HERE: The Yenta couldn't take Pee-Wee Herman to the mat - his whole schtick is spinning lies and ducking questions. Which you would know if you actually read any of our exchanges. You haven't, and you sure can't refute anything I say, but boy, let your precious beliefs get challenged......  But just to humor you - let's say I'm the most dreadful race-baiting and antisemitic cretin imaginable. Does this change the fact that many of our immigrants want to strip us of our ability to criticise their culture? Does bring the victims of terrorism back to life, or rebuild skyscrapers? I've shared my ideas on immigration policy - share yours. I promise to hold myself to a higher standard of criticism than you have.... -------------- Dey can't 'andle my riddim.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2006,16:37    [quote=The Ghost of Paley,Feb. 06 2006,20:33][/quote] My original response was due to Stephen Eliot's reaction to Tiredofthesos. Tired might be responding to something I'm not aware of, but I was letting SE know the background on this that I'm aware of, since it seemed like he hadn't heard of this whole issue. Everything I cited is all quite recent and half of it happened here at AtBC. It's all public record. I still find it very troubling that you seem to see no problems with using Jared Taylor's work, and that you actually make excuses for him like that 'nationalist'/'supremacist' distinction. The only people I've seen who find distinctions like that so important are people who are essentially racist in all meaningful senses of the word. Moreover, I find it troubling that in response to allegations of racism, your reflex has always been to attempt to redefine the term, and then, having done so, claim the term now doesn't apply to you. I am quite sorry if my message implied that you're antisemitic (that was actually unintentional), but I've seen that argument too many times -- "I can't stand X group, but X group technically doesn't constitute a 'race' (a just about meaningless term anyway, as I'm sure you know), so therefore I'm not racist". It's very weaselly, which I suspect you know. And while I'm glad to hear you don't "believe in mental differences among the races", that sounds like another way to dodge answering the question straightforwardly, since I don't consider that to be an essential definition of 'racist'. But hey, I'm not saying it's your job to convince me of what you do or don't believe. Quote Do I have to agree with someone before I can cite his work? This is a disingenuous question. If you were to ask me if you should cite the physics research of a man who turned out to abuse his childen or beat his wife, I would say, well, yes, that background is very unfortunate, but not really relevant. His home life doesn't intersect with his work, or reflect on its veracity. However, that's different from citing work by a white 'separatist' explaining how America's crime problems are due to race. In a case like that we are quite justified in doubting such a person's veracity or objectivity, due to his background. Quote But just to humor you - let's say I'm the most dreadful race-baiting and antisemitic cretin imaginable. Not what I said, besides I'm willing to concede you're not antisemitic. Quote Does this change the fact that many of our immigrants want to strip us of our ability to criticise their culture? No, but that's a separate issue. Quote Does bring the victims of terrorism back to life, or rebuild skyscrapers? Um, no, I never claimed it would do either of those things, but last I checked, you weren't proposing any way to accomplish those feats either. So that 'objection' seems remarkably irrelevant. Quote I've shared my ideas on immigration policy - share yours. I promise to hold myself to a higher standard of criticism than you have.... I wasn't talking about immigration policy, and the original posts of yours I cited weren't about immigration either. Again, this is a separate issue. But checking, I didn't see you offering a solution to Europe's immigration problems, either. However, since you want me to comment on it, I do not believe that 'many of our immigrants want[ing] to strip us of our ability to criticise their culture' is a significant problem in America. (At least no more significant than any other American group wanting that.) As for Europe, where this IS far bigger problem than in America, I haven't a clue what ought to be done about that (I didn't say I did). The problems seem intractable to me, as tangled up as they are in religion and entrenched economic segregation. I do not believe that Europe should give an inch on freedom of speech, except that I think that incitements to violence are intolerable. But on the other hand, deliberately antogizing groups known to be hypersensitive about their religion is stupid. Obviously some kind of effort in economically integrating Europe's immigrants is essential to making them think they have some kind of stake in the well being of the country they live in. But I'm not even convinced that's possible. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Sheikh Mahandi Posts: 47 Joined: May 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2006,07:56    Not related to the current outbreaks of violence, however - Abu Hamza jailed for seven years Mr Justice Hughes - Quote I do not make the mistake that you represent Islamic thinking generally. You are entitled to your views and in this country you are entitled to express them, but only up to the point where you incite murder or use language calculated to incite racial hatred. That is what you did. Abu Hamza = Pat Robertson  - Yes that equation works. -------------- "Love is in the air, everywhere I look around,.....Love is in the air, every sight and every sound,......"

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2006,08:26    Quote (Sheikh Mahandi @ Feb. 07 2006,13:56) Not related to the current outbreaks of violence, however - Abu Hamza jailed for seven years Mr Justice Hughes - Quote I do not make the mistake that you represent Islamic thinking generally. You are entitled to your views and in this country you are entitled to express them, but only up to the point where you incite murder or use language calculated to incite racial hatred. That is what you did. Abu Hamza = Pat Robertson  - Yes that equation works. That's the bugger. The man should have been thrown out ages ago. That tosser is not a UK citizen by any stretch of the imagination. I find it incredible he emigrated here, lived off benefits and the whole time preached hatred against the UK and other countries. I find it hard to believe he was permitted to do what he did. It is not as though there was a shortage of evidence. I wonder how much tax money his trial cost.

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