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Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 28 2008,00:41    Quote (Mr_Christopher @ May 27 2008,19:48) Quote (JohnW @ May 27 2008,17:27)   Quote (Mr_Christopher @ May 27 2008,14:58) Ok, am I reading this correctly?  Has davetard been banned from UD?  Or is he just no longer an admin there?  Or neither? Neither.   There's a super-secret, invitation-only group where the UD inner circle get to discuss all the research that the International Atheist Conspiracy stops them from publishing in their own journal.  Or whatever.  That's what Dave's been expelled from. This is the same super secret deal that Dembski booted heddle from? Yes. See here. If this was Dave's punishment for banning Sarfati, it'll be interesting to see if Sarfati reappears at UD. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 28 2008,01:21    He's back! Hi Dave, you old rogue, speculation about your departure was indeed premature!

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 28 2008,02:04    Did you read to the whole of Dyson's review, Dave? As you posted an excerpt without comment, I wonder what you think of this bit that you quoted?       Quote Environmentalism has replaced socialism as the leading secular religion. And the ethics of environmentalism are fundamentally sound. Scientists and economists can agree with Buddhist monks and Christian activists that ruthless destruction of natural habitats is evil and careful preservation of birds and butterflies is good. The worldwide community of environmentalists—most of whom are not scientists—holds the moral high ground, and is guiding human societies toward a hopeful future. Environmentalism, as a religion of hope and respect for nature, is here to stay. This is a religion that we can all share, whether or not we believe that global warming is harmful.* Looks like Dyson might be suggesting Pascal's wager, too *cue RTH diagram* Edit: *my emphasis

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 28 2008,04:07    Quote 1] GIGO — no computer simulation is equivalent to reality. None is any better than its input data, algorithms and underlying assumptions [not to mention error propagation etc etc etc] Gordon says something sensible Careful Gordon. Dembski and Marks might not appreciate that remark.

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 28 2008,06:30    A little ditty from the past. Quote gpuccio: Yes, it’s a pity that it is simply impossible. There is no reason in the world, neither logical nor empirical, that functional sequences of proteins can be derived step by step passing through increasingly functional intermediates. Indeed, that’s a really silly idea, considering all that we know, both of information in general and of protein function in particular. regardinginformation, it would be life affirming that any meaningful sentence of, say, 150 characters, cna be obtained from another different one by successive changes of one character, always retaining menaing (indeed, increasingly maningful menaing). That’s obviously ridiculous for sentences ... Is there an evolutionary pathway in a sea of letters to meaningful sentences? Is there a Sea of Beneficence? Quote n the beginning was the Word. There was a little pond and in the pond was a little letter "O", a word. Soon the pond was full of trillions of O's, happily mouthing their meaning. And the word was fruitful and multiplied. Gpuccio wondered if such a pathway existed. And it does. Beware a War of Words! There is a pathway. That's for sure. Our little ditty doesn't show how random mutation might evolve such sentences. But that is another story! -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 28 2008,08:30    Quote (Alan Fox @ May 28 2008,02:04) Did you read to the whole of Dyson's review, Dave? As you posted an excerpt without comment, I wonder what you think of this bit that you quoted?       Quote Environmentalism has replaced socialism as the leading secular religion. And the ethics of environmentalism are fundamentally sound. Scientists and economists can agree with Buddhist monks and Christian activists that ruthless destruction of natural habitats is evil and careful preservation of birds and butterflies is good. The worldwide community of environmentalists—most of whom are not scientists—holds the moral high ground, and is guiding human societies toward a hopeful future. Environmentalism, as a religion of hope and respect for nature, is here to stay. This is a religion that we can all share, whether or not we believe that global warming is harmful.* Looks like Dyson might be suggesting Pascal's wager, too :) *cue RTH diagram* Edit: *my emphasis Love, performing monkey. xoxoxox. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 28 2008,09:03    WELL HAR FAWKING HAR GIRLYMAN RTH. YOU FORGOT THE CARBON NEUTRAL CHAINSAWS IN MY DUMB AS FENCEPOST PROOF, SURVIVALIST PEAK OIL, TEXAS DOOM, FALLOUT SPIDER HOLE WITH ROOM FOR A WHOLE TURNIP TRUCK DON'T CONTRIBUTE AS MUCH ATMOSPHERIC COOLING SOOT AS DOES CHINA AND INDIA COMBINED. WHICH MEANS WE ARE HEADED FOR ANOTHER ICEAGE THANKS TO HISSELF. SO YOU LOSE AGAIN HOMO. THANKYOU FOR PLAYING WITH MY BONE . I KILL HISSELF SOMETIMES HAHAHA dt. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 28 2008,09:12    How sweet. The UD'ers are doing science by writing letters Quote Dr. Vreeland, In looking through your studies on the suspected 250 million year old bacteria, I noticed that you used several test at the molecular level to prove that the bacteria were indeed different than modern strains, and that the suspected 250 million year old bacteria were indeed not modern contaminants. I was very impressed with your work and for what its worth I commend you on you on your excellent practice of science. Yet, a friend and I, in our brief looked at your paper (Fatty acid and DNA analyses of Permian bacteria) could not find a “fitness cost” test. The test which is commonly preformed on antibiotic resistant bacteria to find if a robust level of complexity has evolved. I was wondering if you have done such a measure for “fitness cost” between the suspected 250 Ma bacteria and any or all of its suspected decendent strains. We are debating whether if any of the strains will display evolution, whether any of them will stay the same, or whether any of them regressed in regards to the parent strain (tested in both the suspected ancient “hyper-saline environment and in the present environment).If you have done any “fitness cost” testing in this area of investigation we would greatly appreciate your to know results so that we know the truth regarding this matter. With Respect, Phil C. I hope it works out for them..... Go Bornagain77, Go! Tardation. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 28 2008,09:28    I am chatting with F2XL on his blog. My latest, still in the moderation queue.. http://patriotprodigy.blogspot.com/2007....sm.html Quote Hi FFXL. I believe my IP address is banned there now and I have no desire to go through the proxy shuffle just to have my comments killed in 'pre-moderation' anyway. For a group that cries "Censorship!", they sure don't lead by example... Why not contribute to AtBC? Your comments will always make it through, straight away. Plus, there's a bunch of *real* scientists there, specializing in biology. I am enjoying Your case and Bob's critique of the 'tornado in a junkyard' spontaneous creation of a flagella on UD, though. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

PTET Posts: 133 Joined: Jan. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 28 2008,09:39    Quote kairosfocus 05/28/2008 6:07 am ...On Fusion, why not look at the previously linked Wiki article? [I find Wiki can give very useful 101 level intros to many topics, once the ideological biases don’t kick in. E.g. don’t trust them on ID or anything related . . .]... Damn those idiological biases  ...   -------------- "It’s not worth the effort to prove the obvious. Ridiculous ideas don’t deserve our time. Even the attempt to formulate ID is a generous accommodation." - ScottAndrews

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 28 2008,09:42    Ah, a DaveTard posts makes it through: http://www.uncommondescent.com/off-top....-289680 Quote 8 DaveScot 05/28/2008 9:23 am Fusion power is already here. It’s called “the sun”. We just have to get better at collecting the energy. I suspect this post will have a fairly long half-life given that it doesn't make the DI / Baby Jesus cry. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 28 2008,10:03    the leading secular religion Quote 8 DaveScot 05/28/2008 9:23 am Fusion power is already here. It’s called “the sun”. We just have to get better at collecting the energy. Did DS finally join the Quote the leading secular religion -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 28 2008,11:36    DaveTard: http://www.uncommondescent.com/off-top....-289686 Quote 14 DaveScot 05/28/2008 11:07 am M Caldwell Sadly, progress in SPS has been glacial over the decades I’ve known about it. The biggest problem is the cost of getting material into orbit and little has been done in developing a low-cost method of getting material into orbit. Actually, in the last few years, I’ve become hopeful a biological solution will be found. In principle there’s no reason we can’t genetically engineer bacteria that can convert water, CO2, and sunlight directly into fuel-quality ethanol. Craig Venter is working on it and I bet he gets there LONG before any other technology can become widely deployed. All the really difficult engineering work is already done for us. We don’t have to invent any of the really difficult stuff like photosynthesis. Whether by God or by RM+NS the molecular machinery we need is already here. All we have to do is gather together a few existing capabilities in disparate microorganisms. Genetic engineering will change the world in ways more significant than the harnessing of fire, agriculture, metallurgy, and electricity all combined. Progress in genetic engineering has been anything but glacial. In fact it appears to me that GE is improving on a curve quite like Moore’s Law of semiconductors. And the Darwin fanatics call ME anti-science. Hardly. I’m so pro-science you could call it my religion. In fact I’m so pro-science I can’t stand it being polluted with useless, impractical crap like historical biology. Future biology is where it’s all at and if intelligent design wasn’t a factor in past organic evolution it’s definitely a player now and in the future. Emphasis mine. So Dave wants to use existing mechanisms, but doesn't want to understand them. You can't run into walking, but you sure can tard into tarding. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 28 2008,12:22    Well, I'm glad to see that DS hasn't learned anything from his recent travails at UD.     Quote And the Darwin fanatics call ME anti-science. No, they call you a Tard, Dave. But that ends up equalling 'anti-science' for all intents and purposes.     Quote Hardly. I’m so pro-science you could call it my religion. Lots of people profess religions of which they're basically ignorant. You're nothing special.     Quote In fact I’m so pro-science I can’t stand it being polluted with useless, impractical crap like historical biology. 'Useless, impractical'. So evolutionary biology may be, like, TRUE and everything, but it's bad because *you* don't find value in it?     Quote Future biology is where it’s all at and if intelligent design wasn’t a factor in past organic evolution Hmmm. So if ID wasn't "a factor in past organic evolution", doesn't that mean it, like, doesn't exist?     Quote it’s definitely a player now and in the future. "Venter smart manly man, design stuff, therefore Venter do intelligent design! Dave Tard get in on ground floor. USA! USA! USA! " -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 28 2008,12:28    Oh,   Quote ME is Dave. Initially I had the impression that he was talking about somthing opposite of   Quote GE he mentioned earlier in his comment. -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

guthrie Posts: 696 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 28 2008,13:21    UD makes more sense if you think of it as a soap opera.  Then Daves appearances and disappearances fit right into the script, since they heighten drama.   Then, like all soap operas, there is a higher attrition rate than in real life.

Quidam Posts: 229 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 28 2008,16:25    Quote Actually, in the last few years, I’ve become hopeful a biological solution will be found. In principle there’s no reason we can’t genetically engineer bacteria that can convert water, CO2, and sunlight directly into fuel-quality ethanol. Craig Venter is working on it and I bet he gets there LONG before any other technology can become widely deployed. All the really difficult engineering work is already done for us. We don’t have to invent any of the really difficult stuff like photosynthesis. Whether by God or by RM+NS the molecular machinery we need is already here. All we have to do is gather together a few existing capabilities in disparate microorganisms. Genetic engineering will change the world in ways more significant than the harnessing of fire, agriculture, metallurgy, and electricity all combined. Progress in genetic engineering has been anything but glacial. In fact it appears to me that GE is improving on a curve quite like Moore’s Law of semiconductors. Hasn't that already been done?  let me see...   Quote Almost 20 years ago, the 57-year-old University of Florida microbiologist made a discovery that earned him - and two colleagues - a rare distinction. In 1991, the university was awarded the nation's 5-millionth patent in a special ceremony at the Commerce Department. It recognized groundbreaking scientific work by Ingram's team with a bacteria that could convert plant waste into ethanol, a cleaner-burning substitute for gasoline. ... By genetically modifying an E. coli bacteria in the lab, Ingram's team created an organism capable of converting all sugars in plant cells into fuel ethanol. The technology made it possible to use almost any organic biomass - from corn stalks and straw to yard trimmings and forestry wastes - to make fuel -------------- The organized fossils ... and their localities also, may be understood by all, even the most illiterate. William Smith, Strata. 1816

Annyday Posts: 583 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 28 2008,16:44    Not quite the same. Having to use existing sugars is a wee bit less convenient than assembling your hydrocarbons from raw hydrogen, carbon, and oxygen. I'm kind of pessimistic about anyone managing the latter with existing (or near-future) technology. Even Venter. If someone does pull it off without any too-large hitches, though, they'll be filthy rich. -------------- "ALL eight of the "nature" miracles of Jesus could have been accomplished via the electroweak quantum tunneling mechanism. For example, walking on water could be accomplished by directing a neutrino beam created just below Jesus' feet downward." - Frank Tipler, ISCID fellow

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 28 2008,16:47    Quote (Annyday @ May 28 2008,16:44) Not quite the same. Having to use existing sugars is a wee bit less convenient than assembling your hydrocarbons from raw hydrogen, carbon, and oxygen. I'm kind of pessimistic about anyone managing the latter with existing (or near-future) technology. Even Venter. If someone does pull it off without any too-large hitches, though, they'll be filthy rich. Containment would seem to be a problem. Is it potentially an "Atmosphere Bomb"? You might want limited replications encoded. It's all getting a bit 'Blade Runner', but nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

guthrie Posts: 696 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 28 2008,16:51    Making ethanol producing bacteria won't be that hard, but they'll also have to work out how to separate the ethanol from the bacteria and their nutrient solution... And you'll still need lots of open space, pipes, etc to make any use of it.  Think like an oil refinery spread over square kilometres of desert.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 28 2008,16:53    Patrick quotes Gildodgems on AI search: http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-289709 Quote ...Recursion (self-referential algorithms and self-calling functions) is an extremely powerful tool in computer science. The AI (artificial intelligence) techniques used in chess- and checkers-playing computer programs are based upon this concept. This is the basis of what we call a “tree search.” The immune system apparently uses a search/trial-and-error technique in order to devise antibodies to pathogens. The immune system also maintains a database of previously-seen pathogenic agents and how to defeat them. This is what immunization is all about. As an ID research proposal I would suggest pursuing what we have learned from AI research to see if human-designed algorithms are reflected in biology, especially when it comes to the immune system: 1) Iterative Deepening: Make initial, shallow, inexpensive searches, and increase the depth and expense of the searches iteratively. 2) Investigative Ordering: Order results from 1) to waste as little time as possible during deeper searches. 3) Maintain short-term memory to rapidly access solutions to the most-recently-seen problems. (We use RAM-based hash tables in chess and checkers programs for this purpose.) 4) Maintain long-term memory for catastrophic themes that tend to recur on a regular basis. (We use non-volatile, disk-based endgame databases in chess and checkers programs for this purpose.) Now its been a while since I looked at AI, but isn't this AI circa 1980? what about GBF, A*, Simulated Annealing, GAs...? One of you science n3rdlingers (Wes) please let's have your twopenneth. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 28 2008,17:44    Quote (Richardthughes @ May 28 2008,16:47) Quote (Annyday @ May 28 2008,16:44) Not quite the same. Having to use existing sugars is a wee bit less convenient than assembling your hydrocarbons from raw hydrogen, carbon, and oxygen. I'm kind of pessimistic about anyone managing the latter with existing (or near-future) technology. Even Venter. If someone does pull it off without any too-large hitches, though, they'll be filthy rich. Containment would seem to be a problem. Is it potentially an "Atmosphere Bomb"? You might want limited replications encoded. It's all getting a bit 'Blade Runner', but nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for. But evolution is still the bitch goddess in the driver's seat. Jurrasic Park may have had retarded dialog, but the idea is right. Evolution will eventually free your slave organisms. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 28 2008,18:24    Tard addicts, I give you They can't agree about fractals Patrick has to doublecheck his "facts"   Quote Active information is involved. (I just emailed Bill to doublecheck on how to calculate this in regards to fractals, procedural textures, etc.) The same applies to GAs. Active information requires intelligence based upon all known observation. Oh dear, it's all stopped making sense. Wordy bully Blowhard KF also said a few threads ago   Quote PS: Fractals do NOT pass the EF — they are caught as “law” — the first test. It is the programs and formulae that generate them that pass the EF. [And, these are known independently to be agent-originated, so they support the EF’s reliability.] So this should be fun! Link -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 28 2008,20:40    Gil Dodg'em brings his expertise to bear:   Quote Bogus Computer Simulations GilDodg'em This one, published by New Scientist, really takes the cake... Hey Gil! We're still waiting for the code for a simulation of intelligent design. Wouldn't that amount to a hideously long series of assignment statements? -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 28 2008,20:48    Real airbag simulation...? Phhhfffff. Everyone knows you have to drive the computer into a wall at 30mph (whilst shaking it) Windbag simulation, more like. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 28 2008,22:24    Barb... http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....-289643 Quote 3 Barb 05/27/2008 7:33 pm I’m starting to get annoyed with the idea that all religious tenets are unverifiable. There are people and places identified in the Bible that have been verified by secular historians and archaeologists. Sweetheart, that WWII thing, the blitz and London mentioned in "the lion, the witch and the wardrobe"... ALL REAL. OMG OMG NARNIA OMG!!! -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 28 2008,22:26    F2XL... http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....-289654 Quote 9 F2XL 05/27/2008 11:41 pm I quite my subscription to NS a long time ago.   But Popular Science/Mechanics I still can’t get enough of. I HEREBY DUB THEE 'SON OF TARD' (SoT). -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 28 2008,22:30    Please, take a moment to read Russ' lifelong, tear-jerking battle with "TEH GAY": http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....-289692 This thread, this TARD, MINE, all MINE! -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

didymos Posts: 1828 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 28 2008,22:35    Quote (Richardthughes @ May 28 2008,20:30) Please, take a moment to read Russ' lifelong, tear-jerking battle with "TEH GAY": http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....-289692 This thread, this TARD, MINE, all MINE! I imagine Ted Haggard told himself much the same thing: Quote I CHOSE to be straight every time I resisted homosexual impulses in favor of a traditional Christian sexual orientation. As a direct result, I now have a wife and two kids. If I had gone with my feelings, I would likely not have produced any offspring at all. How can you say that religious training has no effect at all on sexual orientation? Next thing you know, it's crystal meth and male prostitutes and public displays of shame.  Much better to just go with the being gay thing. -------------- I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

olegt Posts: 1405 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 28 2008,22:36    Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 28 2008,18:24) Tard addicts, I give you They can't agree about fractals Patrick has to doublecheck his "facts"   Quote Active information is involved. (I just emailed Bill to doublecheck on how to calculate this in regards to fractals, procedural textures, etc.) The same applies to GAs. Active information requires intelligence based upon all known observation. Oh dear, it's all stopped making sense. Wordy bully Blowhard KF also said a few threads ago   Quote PS: Fractals do NOT pass the EF — they are caught as “law” — the first test. It is the programs and formulae that generate them that pass the EF. [And, these are known independently to be agent-originated, so they support the EF’s reliability.] So this should be fun! Link I love gpuccio's heroic efforts to derive the following remarkable statements: 1) Fractals, in themselves, are not CSI. 3) The information in DNA is not fractal. 4) CSI is not fractal. Never mind that no one has even defined what CSI is.  What the heck does it mean for information to be fractal, even in principle?  The word fractal refers to a non-integer (fractional) dimensionality of an object.  Information has no geometry and thus no dimensionality. -------------- If you are not: Galapagos Finch please Logout »

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